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John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#161 ·
Ante Rukavina is back on the radar for the Kansas City Chiefs faithful. Shady business dealings and contracts that end up in court years later have become our daily reality. We can only hope this audit serves as a warning to future Boards of Directors, and that by digging through the past, the fans finally get some closure. They deserve justice through the courts for everything that hasn't hit the statute of limitations—and for the rest, they at least deserve to know what kind of mess we were living through.

To piece this saga together, we have to look at old news reports regarding Rukavina’s transfers to and from the Chiefs, as well as statements from current President Hrvoje Maleš. During a recent meeting with supporters, Maleš clarified the situation surrounding Rukavina—which was particularly timely given that the Refereeing body case just reached a temporary conclusion. Here is how the transfer went down:

1. In January 2007, the Chiefs purchased Ante Rukavina from San Diego Loyal SC for $1000000. According to information provided by Hrvoje Maleš at the fan meeting, a portion of that money was paid by a Chiefs sponsor. However, San Diego claims that money was actually intended as a sponsorship for their own club, not a transfer fee. It remains unclear why the director of that sponsoring company didn't show up to testify before the USSF Disciplinary Committee to confirm this, or why there isn't a single paper trail for the transaction. For now, the official Club expects a favorable ruling in Superior Court.

2. While at the Chiefs, Ante Rukavina earned a salary of 200,000.00 EUR per year (an amount that gets deducted from any future transfer fee).

3. In the summer of 2008, Ante Rukavina moved to Panathinaikos for 2.8 million EUR. Per the contract, the transfer amount was reduced by the player's wages, and the remainder was split: 50% to Pharos sport, 20% to San Diego Loyal SC, and 30% to the Chiefs.

4. Pharos sport issued an invoice to the Chiefs for 50% of the transfer (which the Chiefs paid immediately) and added sales tax on top. The Chiefs refused to pay the tax, calling it baseless. Consequently, Pharos sport sued the Chiefs for the tax amount; during the restructuring, this dispute was set aside in the books as a potential legal expense. San Diego Loyal SC is paid 40% of the Chiefs' share of the transfer, minus a 40% commission on the disputed tax amount.

5. Recently, the Chiefs won a court battle regarding the validity of their decision to refuse paying the sales tax on the commission invoiced by Pharos sport.

6. From that total, presumably, 40% belongs to San Diego!? (At the fan meeting, it was mentioned that part of San Diego's claim is legitimate, and that the Chiefs tried to negotiate a smaller payment and long-term cooperation last summer, but San Diego turned them down.?)
8. The Refereeing body ruled in favor of San Diego, and the Chiefs are appealing to the regular courts. We should see an ending soon.

It’s interesting to note that during his initial move to the Chiefs, rumors swirled that Olympique Lyonnais wanted Rukavina for 8 million EUR, but Ruki chose to join his favorite club instead. In plain English: Pharos sport and San Diego Loyal SC agreed to sell him to the Chiefs, with San Diego getting 400,000 EUR upfront plus 20% of the future transfer, while Pharos took 50%. If Branko Grgić, the then-President of the Chiefs, actually believed the stories about Lyon’s millions, one has to wonder if he really thought San Diego believed Rukavina was a talent worth a 40 million euro transfer. After all, San Diego would only clear more than those 8 million euros if the Chiefs pulled off a massive 40 million euro sale.

As time will tell, the folks in San Diego played the market so well that they ended up making more than the Chiefs themselves (between the 400,000 EUR upfront and the 500,000 EUR after the Greece sale, they walked away with 900,000 EUR total). The Chiefs were left with a mere 350,000 EUR from the whole deal. And if we're looking at who really won, Pharos sport cleared 1.25 million EUR.

It’s hard to imagine how Branko Grgić handled negotiations and commissions in this deal, though we assume he knew that the Chiefs wouldn't break even until Rukavina was sold for over 5 million euros. At the time, the biggest sale in Chiefs history was moving a player to Portsmouth for 4.5 million EUR. In that case, the Chiefs used a public-private partnership to recoup the investment while splitting the profits. Between the looming lawsuits from the widow Pokrovac and government pressure regarding sales tax, we’ll likely be analyzing that transfer here soon, too.

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silenttiger3 silenttiger3 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2012
#162 ·
Nicholas Parker6 said:🙈

I clearly missed the mark there 😁—my point was simply that the Black Knights remain the gold standard for supporters here in America, regardless of those who insist on nitpicking every little detail 😁 799 🙏
silenttiger3 silenttiger3 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Mar 2012
#163 ·
Well, thanks a lot—we’ve finally been knocked out of the tournament... honestly, this supposed "dominance" by the Aggregate group is starting to give me a massive headache. 🙂
Jose Vaughn3 Jose Vaughn3 Active Member
74 messages
joined Oct 2011
#164 ·
Scott Gonzalez said:http://www.nogometni-magazin.com/new...ranto_hrv_news

Scoundrels STAYED scoundrels 😁

It’s going to be a tough fight. I just hope those crooks actually pay up. Honestly, we should expect to get screwed over by all those former Kansas City Chiefs players we have money owed to us—basically, they'll try to push us into bankruptcy. Even if we finally win the court case, I'm not even sure if we'd ever see that cash. We've seen how this goes before.🤷
jademarlin54 jademarlin54 Active Member
131 messages
joined Feb 2012
#165 ·
Jose Vaughn3 said:It’s gonna be a real fight, and I really hope the bad guys end up paying for this. Honestly, we should probably expect to get kicked around by all those former Kansas City Chiefs players we owe money to—you know, like they'll try to push us straight into bankruptcy. And even then, I don't know... I'm just not sure if we'd ever actually see that cash, even if we finally win the court case. I mean, has anyone ever actually seen that happen?🤷

Let's go! Someone grab a beer, let's get some tractors out on the dirt roads, and just... man... Savannah, we're gonna win this damn thing! Ojjjjjjjjjjj😂
Jose Vaughn3 Jose Vaughn3 Active Member
74 messages
joined Oct 2011
#166 ·
jademarlin54 said:Let’s get this party started. The freezers are humming, the tractors are idling, and those backroads are looking rough. Man, if things don't turn around soon, we're all gonna be in deep trouble. Seriously.😂

You're the man, buddy.😍
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#167 ·
Jose Vaughn3 said:It’s going to be a brutal fight. I just hope the bastards actually pay up. We should probably expect all those former Kansas City Chiefs players we owe money to to come after us—maybe try to force us into bankruptcy. And honestly, even if we finally win the lawsuit, who knows if we'll ever see a dime? Ever seen that happen?🤷

😁

Bankruptcy isn't an option because they'd just go after assets that don't exist. I was reading today that Savannah is heading toward privatization, so maybe they could just swap shares instead of paying off the debt.🤷
cosmichawk82 cosmichawk82 Member
18 messages
joined Mar 2012
#168 ·
Jose Vaughn3 said:It’s going to be a brutal fight, and I really hope the bastards pay up. We should probably brace ourselves for all those former Kansas City Chiefs players we owe money to—you know, the ones who might try to push us straight into bankruptcy. Honestly, even if we finally win the lawsuit, I have my doubts about whether we'd ever actually see that cash. Ever seen it happen?🤷

Listen here, you idiots😍, what are the eight of you from the coal mines planning to do then?🤷
Jose Vaughn3 Jose Vaughn3 Active Member
74 messages
joined Oct 2011
#169 ·
John Brown30 said:😁

Bankruptcy isn't really an option here. If you file, they just come after your assets, and there’s nothing left to take. I was reading today that Savannah might be looking into privatization, so they could potentially offer up shares instead of trying to settle the debt in cash. 🤷

I'm not sure if we're on the same page.🤷I was wondering—if Savannah goes into bankruptcy, would they actually be able to collect any money while under receivership? For instance, if a court ruled that the Kansas City Chiefs owed them something, could they still get paid?🤷
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#170 ·
Honestly, I don't know, but I'm skeptical enough.🤷

But let me tell you one thing: it’s definitely not in anyone's interest if he ends up filing for bankruptcy while owing them money!😁
mistypanther20 mistypanther20 Member
27 messages
joined Sep 2011
#171 ·
I mean, honestly, San Diego is suing Liverpool FC over some $250k deal—allegedly money Liverpool paid through sponsors or maybe just set up sponsors to cover the transfer fee to keep things quiet (the text is a bit vague there). Now they’re drowning because they can't find the cash to save themselves, while Liverpool's piggy bank is basically an open vault. It feels like everyone suing the club is just looking for a payday. Since Liverpool doesn't have a paper trail showing they actually paid it—though I'm sure they did, probably just handshakes or under-the-table deals from back in the old days—these people are just using the situation to dig themselves out of their own mess on the club's dime.

If I'm reading this correctly, they either want a quick death or a permanent stay in the fifth division.
Scott Gonzalez Scott Gonzalez Newcomer
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joined Mar 2012
#172 ·
mistypanther20 said:Honestly, if I'm reading this right—and I think I am!—San Diego is suing Liverpool FC over $250k. Apparently, Liverpool supposedly paid them through some sponsor or set one up to cover the amount by lowering the transfer fee (though the details are a bit fuzzy). Now they're in deep trouble because they can't find the cash to save the club! It's like Liverpool's piggy bank turned into a corporate slush fund. Everyone suing them seems to be winning, and since there's no paper trail showing Liverpool actually paid—even though I bet they did, maybe it was just an "under the table" handshake deal back in the old days—these people are totally using the situation to dig themselves out of their own messes.

If I've got my facts straight, they're basically praying for either a quick death or a long, miserable stay in the US lower leagues!

Poor, innocent, and honest Liverpool FC... everyone just wants a piece of them! 😢
Same here! 😉
Jonathan Cooper6 Jonathan Cooper6 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2013
#173 ·
mistypanther20 said:From what I can gather—San Diego is suing Liverpool FC over some $300k they supposedly paid through a sponsor, or maybe they just cooked up a sponsor to cover the debt by lowering the transfer fee (the text is a bit vague)—and now they're drowning because they can't find the cash to save the club. It's like Liverpool's piggy bank is an LLC now; everyone suing them seems to be winning, and since there's zero proof Liverpool actually handed over the cash—though I bet they did, probably via a handshake or under the table back in the old days—these guys are just using this to bail themselves out of their own mess.

If I'm reading the situation right, you're basically wishing for a quick death or a long, slow crawl down to the fifth division.

Hold on... let me get this straight... $333 if I told you, "Hey, I owe you, so here’s some Kimberly-Clark," and Kimberly-Clark says, "I don't give a damn about either of you," and then you tell me nobody gave you money, and I say, "Who cares, let Kimberly-Clark deal with it"—is that how it works? Is it just settled? You believe the money was paid, but since they just showed up with a bag full of cash and no receipt, now they can't prove anything. "It was a verbal agreement!" HA! Are you for real? Instead of complaining about every single person and entity involved, you're actually rooting for San Diego to collapse and drop to the fifth tier or whatever... all while people are chilling on vacation with that extra million. Seriously, look at the last five years—how many people have sued clubs? It feels like anyone with even a tiny connection to Liverpool has filed a claim. Look, I'm a fan, but I don't care if Liverpool pays up or not; I'm not looking for suspensions, I just want you to be somewhat realistic. By the end of the day, I'm sure the Chicago crowd and the Dinamo fans will just blame Mamić's crew for everything.🙂
Sophia Johnson24 Sophia Johnson24 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#174 ·
Jonathan Cooper6 said:Hold on a second... if I owe you $333 money and I say, "Hey, here's some Kimberly-Clark," and Kimberly-Clark just says, "I don't give a damn, I'm not giving you anything, screw both of you," and then you tell me nobody gave them the cash—well, I'm saying I don't know, who cares if Kimberly-Clark gives it to you? That's it, deal done. You actually believe they handed over the cash? They supposedly brought a million plus bucks in a bag, but since there's no receipt, now they can't prove it. OH, IT WAS A VERBAL HANDOFF HAHAHAHA... are you even sane?? Instead of calling out everyone involved, you're basically rooting for San Diego to go bust and end up in the fifth division or whatever... while they're out there chilling on islands with that million plus bucks...

Do you even read? San Diego is getting that money, Alooooo!
Jonathan Cooper6 Jonathan Cooper6 Member
33 messages
joined Oct 2013
#175 ·
Do you actually have proof he won, or are you just assuming? 🙂I mean, who’s even going to sue you if you can show you paid... but whatever... I'm certain it didn't happen—just like how nobody gets a dime from the LA Galaxy unless they absolutely have to.
mistypanther20 mistypanther20 Member
27 messages
joined Sep 2011
#176 ·
Look, there’s a difference between paying up and just refusing to pay, and then there's the reality of how San Diego gets their money... I'm not defending the board, not even a little bit—they all need to go—but you still aren't grasping what actually happened here. Right now, Liverpool FC doesn't have any sponsors. If we look at this hypothetically: imagine if someone owed Liverpool money, and they said, "I can't pay you cash right now, but I'll find a sponsor for that exact amount, and you'll get the funds," provided you put their logo on the stadium or a jersey—something like ExxonMobil, Kraft, or T-Mobile, doesn't matter—well, those companies jumped at the chance when the money was flowing. But now that things are getting tight on all sides, they're digging through old contracts to see who they can squeeze, looking for anyone who doesn't have a signed agreement stating they've already been paid. If Liverpool hadn't sent over that sponsor's paperwork, they certainly wouldn't have seen that $1.5 million. So, one way or another, San Diego is covered for that amount. Boys, do I really need to spell it out for you?
Patrick Clark21 Patrick Clark21 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2022
#177 ·
Alexander Miller54 said:Do you even read anything? San Diego is getting that money, period.

Hmm... the San Diego folks claim they didn't, 🙂 and they have been maintaining that stance for years, not just since yesterday. Eventually, we have the court to determine exactly what was signed and whose version of events holds water. In fact, the court has already made its determination 🙂... yet, it seems more weight is being given to the "relevant" claims and proclamations from some local association that heard it through the grapevine, which—honestly—leaves me quite impressed by the lack of logic. 🙂 Let us also not overlook how Liverpool FC justifies their position based on some legal ruling regarding Neretva that has absolutely nothing to do with this specific case. To me, it all feels like blatant spamming.

So, essentially, either Liverpool FC paid and simply lacks the documentation to prove it, or perhaps a sponsor paid San Diego directly 🤣. If that is indeed the truth, then I suppose that is how it should be presented; however, if it isn't, then we are looking at a criminal offense. I certainly wouldn't be the last person to cheer if the current San Diego administration ends up serving a few years behind bars. ☕
Patrick Clark21 Patrick Clark21 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2022
#178 ·
mistypanther20 said:There is a distinct difference between actually paying a debt and simply claiming you will pay. It is quite obvious how San Diego ends up receiving those funds. I am not attempting to defend the board—frankly, they deserve to be tossed into the gutter—but some people seem to miss the fundamental logic here. Currently, Liverpool FC lacks major sponsors. Let us look at a hypothetical scenario: suppose someone owed Liverpool FC money, but instead of a direct payment, they offered to secure a sponsorship deal worth that exact amount. They would tell the club, "Just put our logo on the stadium, the jerseys, or whatever—be it ExxonMobil, Tyson Foods, or T-Mobile," and the club would have happily accepted that arrangement when they were desperate for cash. Now that things are tightening up across the board, they are suddenly digging through old contracts, trying to find loopholes to strip people of their money by arguing that the sponsorship wasn't technically "paid." If that $250,000 hadn't been part of the deal, they certainly wouldn't be seeing those funds. One way or another, San Diego is getting paid. Gentlemen, do I really need to spell this out further?

I honestly find it hard to believe that hiding a multi-million dollar transaction would be that easy... I truly feel for the people who fall for these theories. If such an evasion were actually occurring, we would be looking at a much more serious criminal offense, which would likely result in someone being stripped of everything. Hmm... interesting. It all feels so incredibly typical for Liverpool FC. ☕
Douglas Stewart65 Douglas Stewart65 Member
23 messages
joined Sep 2011
#179 ·
Can we please just drop the whole San Diego and Funkytown thing on this sub? Seriously. I’ll start an NFL Ultras meetup just so I can vomit all over my monitor. Are you people actually insane? Who gives a damn about a dead club like NK San Diego???? Alooooo 🙂🙂
Sophia Johnson24 Sophia Johnson24 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#180 ·
Patrick Clark21 said:hmm.....San Diego claims it isn't 🙂 and they've been shouting that for years, not just since yesterday...

Did they actually say that when Rukavina joined Liverpool FC? I don't think so. I don't recall anyone making a massive stink about it in the papers back then.

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