What's the deal with ACTA?

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#1 · Feb 14, 2012

I’ve got a few questions regarding this political thread I started—it's pretty much been the hottest topic on the site for the last few days. Yeah, we’re talking about ACTA.

1. Why is Resonator censoring this thread and nuking posts just because they don't fit his narrative?

2. Why isn't the poll public? It would be nice to actually see where everyone stands. (Look, I know people will jump in saying this is all about democracy, even though if this law actually passes, it’s basically the opposite of democratic.) I'm asking because I genuinely want to see who voted for what. Honestly, I have my doubts that Resonator himself even voted in favor of ACTA, which might be why he's trying to scrub the discussion.

3. I'm calling on all my fellow users to update their avatars to "Stop ACTA," and a huge thanks to everyone who’s already done it.

P.S. I posted this over on PZK because I'd love for Resonator to join the conversation here, so while I'm at it, I'll ask: why can't I send you a private message?

Thanks

fadedsailor932 Active Member

101 messages
joined Oct 2004

#2 · Feb 14, 2012

...I'm just gonna touch on number 2 for a second. Did you actually make that poll public when you set it up? If you didn't, we can't even see who voted for what.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#3 · Feb 14, 2012

fadedsailor932 said:...I’ll just touch on point number two and ask if you actually toggled the option to make the poll public when you set it up? If you didn't, nobody can see how everyone voted.

I didn't even create the poll myself; I just started the thread, then some other Forum user posted the question, and one of the moderators merged the two threads together. Anyway, since you're a mod, do you actually have the ability to switch a poll over to public?

Sam Green73 Active Member

144 messages
joined Aug 2018

#4 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:1. Why is Resonator censoring this thread and deleting posts just because they don't agree with him?

1. I delete messages that don't add anything useful to the conversation—just take a second to read the rules on the Forum 🙂

2. My take is that the Forum doesn't allow turning anonymous polls into public ones, probably because some people might have voted under the assumption that their choice stayed private.
Why are you so obsessed with making this poll public?
Are you absolutely certain you haven't checked to see who actually voted against it?

My PMbox is totally stuffed, and honestly, most of the messages I get are so friendly that it’s actually kind of hard for me to hit delete.
When it comes to discussing moderation criteria, I much prefer having an open, public discussion.

stormybadger8 Veteran

1.8K messages
joined Apr 2013

#5 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:I didn't even make the poll, I just started the thread. Some other guy on the Forum added the poll question, then a moderator merged the two threads. Can you even set it to be a public poll if you're not the one who made it?

Well, he clearly forgot to check the box to make it public.🤷

It’s not a moderator issue—honestly, does he even have the permissions to edit polls in the first place?🤷

From what I can tell, there's no way to flip a switch and turn a private poll into a public one after the fact.
At least I don't see that option on my sub-forum, even though I can edit polls myself.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#6 · Feb 14, 2012

Sam Green73 said:1. I’m clearing out posts that don't add anything useful to the thread, so maybe take a look at the sub-forum rules. 🙂

2. I don't think the Forum allows turning anonymous polls into public ones, since some people probably voted assuming it was private.
Why do you care so much about making this poll public?
Are you sure you wouldn't rather just see who actually voted against it?

My PMbox is totally slammed, and honestly, all my messages are pretty sweet, so deleting them is kind of a drag.
When I'm talking about moderation criteria, I'd much prefer we have an open discussion about it.

1. Since when did you become the judge of what's "quality" content and what isn't? You walking with God or something?
People are dropping links to back up their points and prove this project is straight-up fascist, and then you just go ahead and wipe them out.

2. Alright, fine, it's not your fault.

Sam Green73 Active Member

144 messages
joined Aug 2018

#7 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:1. Who exactly are you to decide what counts as high quality and what’s just junk? Are you walking around thinking you're God?

Moderator

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#8 · Feb 14, 2012

Sam Green73 said:
Moderator

So, basically, the moderator is a walking God who can't possibly be wrong under any circumstances?

Sophia Thomas7 Active Member

183 messages
joined Aug 2015

#9 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:1. Since when did you become the ultimate authority on what counts as "quality"? Are you walking around acting like God?
People are posting links specifically to back up their points and prove this project is straight-up fascist, yet you just go ahead and delete them.

Look, being a moderator isn't supposed to be about playing censor or just sitting there waiting for an excuse to scrub anything you don't like under the guise of "spam" or "insults." 😁

Sam Green73 Active Member

144 messages
joined Aug 2018

#10 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:So, what you're saying is the moderator is basically a walking God, and there's absolutely no way they could ever be wrong?

😕
To be totally honest, I’m having a hard time figuring out how you arrived at that conclusion based on what I actually wrote.

Let me ask you a rhetorical question: Did you maybe take a quick second to actually read the link I sent over?
And just so we're clear, when I say "rhetorical," I don't actually need an answer—it's more of a gentle nudge in case the answer happens to be "no."

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#11 · Feb 14, 2012

Sam Green73 said:😕
To be honest, I’ve got no clue how you even arrived at that conclusion based on what I actually wrote.

Rhetorical question here: did you maybe take a second to actually click the link and read the text I sent?
Calling it rhetorical just means I don't really care about the answer; it’s more of a gentle nudge in case the answer happens to be "no."

Let’s try this again, round two.

I ask—why are posts being deleted in this thread?
You answer—to maintain quality.
I ask—who are you to decide what "quality" looks like?
You answer—the moderator.
I ask—and does that title automatically make you right?

Sam Green73 Active Member

144 messages
joined Aug 2018

#12 · Feb 14, 2012

So, are you trying to tell me that this is basically

Henry Hernandez7 said:So, what you're saying is the moderator is basically a walking God, and there's absolutely no way they could ever be wrong?

Which is just like

Henry Hernandez7 said:I'm asking—is being right a prerequisite for everything here?

Come on, please, just tell me what you actually consider to be a high-quality discussion or a meaningful contribution to a thread.

p.s. You've got plenty of time to think about it; I doubt I'll be back to this debate for the rest of the day. I've got a mountain of work to tackle and some errands to run.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#13 · Feb 14, 2012

Sam Green73 said:So you're basically saying this is

exactly the same as

Do me a favor and tell me what you actually consider to be a high-quality contribution or a decent discussion on a Forum.

p.s. take your time, I doubt I'll be hanging around this thread much longer today anyway since I've got actual stuff to get done.

To me, a quality post is just a normal response to a straightforward question.
Something like... I ask "why are you deleting posts?", you say "to improve the quality of the discussion," and then I follow up with "well, why should your call be the final word on what constitutes quality for everyone else?" and honestly, I'd expect something like "maybe I misread the situation, my bad, we're all human..." and that would be that. Instead, it feels like you're just dragging this whole thing along to prove you're the moderator and can do whatever you want, which has nothing to do with the fact that you're abusing your position.

No rush on the reply, I'm pretty much glued to this Forum all day anyway.

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

195 messages
joined May 2023

#14 · Feb 14, 2012

Quote:>

Henry Hernandez7 says:
"Why should your judgment be the gold standard when deciding what counts as low-quality? And wouldn't you basically expect someone to say, 'Maybe I misread the situation, hey, we're all human...'"

It’s valid up to a point because his job as a moderator is specifically to clear out posts that don't add anything to the conversation. It’s not just his opinion, either; looking back at some of your old stuff in the Politics section that Sam Green7 (and others) cleared out, I honestly think they should have been deleted too since they weren't adding much value.

>
Quote:>

Henry Hernandez7 says:
No rush on the reply—I'm hanging out on this Forum all day anyway.

If I could give you some friendly advice, try rephrasing that to "I spend a lot of time away from the Forum." Living on a message board 24/7 isn't exactly great for your mental health.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#15 · Feb 14, 2012

Daniel Ward87 said:Look, he’s got some authority, sure, because being a moderator means his actual job is scrubbing posts that don't add anything to the conversation. It’s not just his opinion, though—after scrolling through a bunch of your old posts in the Politics section that Sam Green73 and others cleared out, I honestly think they should’ve been deleted too since they weren't really up to par.

If I were you, I'd probably try rephrasing that to "I spend a lot of time away from the Forum," because honestly, living on here 24/7 isn't exactly great for your mental health.

1.I wasn't even talking about my own stuff (even if I have some questionable ones), I was talking about how he nukes everything related to this topic—like whenever someone drops a link to back up a point, he just wipes it. My issue is more about whether it should be up to one guy's subjective take to decide what counts as quality or garbage.

2.I'm mostly on here by accident; I've got the app on my phone, and since my phone is basically glued to my hand, whenever I'm sitting at a Starbucks... I just pull it out and end up browsing the Forum.

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

195 messages
joined May 2023

#16 · Feb 14, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:1. I wasn't actually talking about my own posts (though I have some), I was talking about how he wipes out anything where someone drops a link to back up their point. To me, it just feels like his personal opinion is being used to decide what counts as "quality" content or not.

2. Honestly, I’m mostly on here by accident. I keep the site open on my phone, and since my phone is basically glued to my hand, whenever I’m hanging out at a Starbucks... I just pull it out and end up browsing forums.

So, you're essentially saying it's just your gut feeling that Sam Green73 is censoring people. You're totally entitled to feel that way, but Sam Green73 isn't playing censor—he's just cleaning up stuff that breaks the rules. A lot of folks post links thinking they're speaking for themselves, but that's not how it works here.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#17 · Feb 15, 2012

Daniel Ward87 said:So basically, you're saying it's just my subjective take that Sam Green73 is censoring people. Hey, you're entitled to your opinion, but Sam Green73 isn't out here playing censor—he's just cleaning up anything that breaks the rules. A whole bunch of people dropped a link that really should speak for itself.

Sure, you can frame it as just my personal perspective, but you can't really assume every other user who had their posts nuked feels exactly the same way I do. But look, if the vast majority of folks are on one side and the mod is standing all alone on the other, I gotta ask:

Who’s actually being subjective here, and who’s being objective?

Sam Green73 Active Member

144 messages
joined Aug 2018

#18 · Feb 15, 2012

Henry Hernandez7 said:Who’s being subjective here, and who’s actually being objective?

Let's be real: everyone is subjective.
Just because you find a few people who agree with you doesn't mean you've stumbled upon some universal truth.
Honestly, you'd be doing me—and the rest of us—a huge favor if you'd take a moment to read through the netiquette#forums guidelines and actually start following them.

When you drop links in a discussion, they really need to have context and a little explanation attached to them.
Don't just expect people to blindly click on everything you post without knowing what they're getting into.

Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP

128 messages
joined Apr 2014

#19 · Feb 15, 2012

Sam Green73 said:Everyone’s got an angle.
Most things aren't settled just by finding a few people who agree with you.
You'd be doing us all a massive favor if you actually took a second to read the netiquette#forums and started living by it.

Links posted in a thread should actually make sense and include a quick contextual breakdown.
Don't expect everyone else to just blindly click on everything you drop.

I won't keep nitpicking you, though I appreciate you admitting we're all biased—including yourself.

As for the rules, I've read through them plenty of times, and honestly, I try to follow them as much as any sane person can given the constraints. But let's be real, even with strict laws, there's always some wiggle room; even a cop isn't going to pull you over for doing 44 miles mph when the limit is 37 miles mph. You're out here following the handbook like some kind of programmed drone or a puppet dancing on its boss's strings.

Mark Harris66 Active Member

158 messages
joined Oct 2016

#20 · Feb 15, 2012

Why was my post deleted? I literally just shared a link to a video.
It doesn't break any advertising rules, and there’s no copyright issue here either...

What's the deal with ACTA?

🔗 Similar threads