New fan laws: What do we think?

The match against Indianapolis in Indianapolis 😉

Honestly, you guys have hit such a new low it isn't even worth typing out.

Jealousy?
Of what?
I mean, back when those New York elites used to talk trash, it was one thing, but this is just pathetic. 🤣

If you’ve got nothing useful to say... why keep bringing us up every two seconds? Just back off...

I wonder if anyone’s actually getting their appeals approved regarding those bans for "sitting in the wrong sections"...

Of course they pass

Minister Ostojic’s Report: Ultras Face the Most Bans!

Due to illegal conduct at sporting events throughout last year, official Department of Justice data shows that 1,464 individuals were detained across America, resulting in 1,350 formal charges. Of those, 1,259 indictments specifically cited violations of riot control laws...

According to the report released by Minister Rank Ostojic regarding police operations in 2013, 150 people were issued bans preventing them from attending specific sporting events last year. This marks a 15 percent increase compared to the previous year, when such measures affected 130 individuals. The highest number of bans was issued within the jurisdiction of the Split Police Department (58), followed closely by the Chicago Police Department (49)....

In terms of total bans received, the Hajduk Split fans lead the pack, having "accumulated" 74 bans last year, while Dinamo Chicago fans follow with 43 such measures. Additionally, 129 bans were issued in connection with matches involving the American national soccer team...

Minister Ostojic’s report also notes that 98 percent of those subject to these restrictions check in with the police before the start of the sporting event and remain under police supervision for the duration of the game. Only two percent of those individuals have no obligation to report to the authorities...

Bad money attracts bad company, I suppose. It’s all just one big circle of dysfunction.

I'm sure some self-proclaimed expert will show up any minute now to explain everything to us 😉

Hey everyone, I just received a ruling from the state court regarding that constitutional challenge to the sports fan law. Since I’m definitely not a legal expert—far from it—I was wondering if anyone else here has gotten a similar response? Also, if someone is willing to help me make sense of the jargon and figure out my next move, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

http://www.nogometplus.net/nogometpl...x#.VO8kVy7LJht

If any of you happen to have access to translated versions of similar legislation from other countries—say, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, or France—please feel free to reach out via private message.

I am currently putting together a research paper and could use a bit of assistance from the community.

If anyone happens to know of a news article that provides even a rough estimate regarding the number of individuals on the BBB blacklists (it doesn't matter which specific timeframe, as long as there's some data), please share the link here.

Additionally, my thesis focuses heavily on the selective enforcement of the Sports Fan Act. As a case in point, I’ve been looking at the conflict between Mamić and Beg at the stadium last year, where the individual was only banned from attending Dinamo matches in Washington, D.C. If you know of anyone who was involved in a physical altercation and subsequently prosecuted under the Riot Control Act, resulting in a total ban from all of their club's games, please send me a private message.

At the very least, I hope we can shed some light on this issue through our collective efforts.

Hey there!
Does anyone happen to have an older version of the law from before all these massive amendments? The links posted earlier in this thread seem to be broken for me.

silenttrucker15 said:Greetings.
Does anyone happen to have access to the older versions of the Sports Fan Act before all these massive amendments were passed? The links provided earlier in this thread seem to be broken.

The original version from 2003:

I can't pull up the PDF for the 2006 amendments at the moment, but they primarily dealt with monitoring individuals under ban orders, increasing fines, and adjusting how misdemeanor proceedings are initiated.

The 2009 amendments:

The 2011 amendments:

Can someone tell me how many years it takes for a misdemeanor statute of limitations to kick in? And does that clock stop once a first-instance judgment is handed down, or does it still apply if you appeal and nothing happens? Basically, say you get convicted in a lower court, you file an appeal, and then everything just stalls. How long until it expires, or is it impossible because there's already a ruling on the books?

It’s about the Sports Fan Act, and honestly, I’d rather ask here than deal with the cops who think they know everything regarding this stuff.😁

ruggedcanyon2 said:Can someone tell me how many years it takes for a misdemeanor to expire under the statute of limitations? And does that expiration only apply if a first-instance judgment hasn't been handed down yet, or does it still count after that? Basically, say you get convicted at a lower court, you appeal, and then nothing happens. How long until it's wiped out, or is it impossible because a first-instance ruling already exists?

Since this involves the Sports Fan Act, the cops are the ones who actually know the drill, so I figured I’d better ask here instead. 😁

If we're talking about the Sports Fan Act, the statute of limitations during proceedings lasts 4 years for misdemeanor cases.
But here's the catch: they shoved this loophole into the law where they use "offender records." When the police go to the courts asking for bans—you know, those bans that just strip you of your rights based on whatever the cops claim—they use data that's up to 10 years old. Even though, by standard legal rules, the rehabilitation period should be twice as long as the actual penalty, they don't care if you were actually prosecuted or even legally convicted. They just look at the record.
In plain English, they are effectively violating the Constitution here. People are getting banned for things they already served time for (which violates the principle of double jeopardy) or for things they weren't even convicted of in the first place—cases where they were actually cleared (and the Constitution says everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a final judgment).
The cops pull these ban requests based on these "famous" records, and more often than not, they include made-up info or fake offenses in their requests. Judges don't even bother checking the facts; they just take the word of the officers and hand out the penalties or new bans based on hearsay.
Feel free to copy and paste that above.

analogheron19 said:If we’re talking about the Sports Fan Act, the statute of limitations during an ongoing proceeding lasts four years if it's handled as a misdemeanor.
But here’s the kicker: they snuck this whole thing about using "offender records" into the law. When courts go looking for bans—essentially asking the police to strip people of their rights—they end up pulling data that's ten years old. Even though current laws say the rehabilitation period should be twice as long as any potential penalty, they don't seem to care whether someone was actually prosecuted or even officially convicted for what's in those files.
To put it bluntly, they are effectively violating the Constitution here. People are being hit with bans for things they've already answered for, or for things they weren't even convicted of in the first place. Under the Constitution, everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a final court judgment, yet that isn't being respected.
The cops submit these ban requests based on these questionable records, and quite often, they include fabricated info or made-up misdemeanors in their requests. The judges don't bother to double-check the facts; they just take their word for it and hand out the penalties—meaning more bans.
Feel free to copy and paste that above.

So, if we're looking at how things work for actual criminal offenses, how long does that rehabilitation period last?
I was talking to a buddy of mine who works in law enforcement, and he mentioned that whenever someone gets run through their system, a flag pops up showing you've had a run-in with the criminal code. It sounds like they use it to give people a hard time at border crossings, for instance—targeting folks who had legal issues way back before the war. It seems like that stuff just never truly disappears from their view.

Christian Miller48 said:How does the system actually work regarding criminal records? How long does that rehabilitation period really last?
A buddy of mine works in law enforcement, and he tells me they always see some kind of flag in their database when they run a check. It shows up if you’ve been charged under certain laws. They basically harass people at the border, for example—folks who had minor offenses before the war—because apparently, those records just don't get wiped clean.

Cops have told me straight up: five years after a case is closed, they stop breathing down your neck. In theory, those alerts shouldn't be popping up on their radios anymore. 😁 But that’s assuming we’re living in a sane world. Since we're talking about sports fans, who knows?

And what analogheron19 is saying? Same thing happened to me. Back when I was dealing with a sentencing proposal, the first document they handed me listed stuff that had nothing to do with me. Total nonsense. I made sure to point that out to the judge every single time.

Does anyone happen to have a video from yesterday over in Dugopolj? I'm looking for footage of when the cops just absolutely laid into that guy on the ground for no reason at all.

Has anyone here actually dealt with a stadium ban while living and working in another country? What does the whole reporting process look like...