F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010

stormybadger8 said:they’re clearly copying things completely wrong and working with totally flawed data🤣

I’d honestly say they’ve actually managed to regress even further than before.😉
Red Bull hasn't brought any updates, McLaren is performing worse than they were previously, and at least Ford is staying roughly where they left off.

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/828/6728/

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/833/

Those two tracks seem pretty similar to me, and you can tell McLaren dropped off by about 0.100 to 0.150 seconds.

A bad copy, just a really bad one.😬 🤣

They basically stripped away their update🤷—more like a "downdate"😁

Given the track configuration, this layout favors Red Bull more, and even if McLaren's update had actually worked the way it was supposed to, it probably still wouldn't have been enough to secure pole.

It’s fine when the technical copy is garbage; the real headache starts when half the crew is garbage too.👍 Enjoy the dominance, provided nothing blows up first.😁

Michael Lee4 said:I might just end it all with a butter knife... seriously, a 7, a Delarosa 8, and Button at 14... 🤦unbelievable...

Even damn Alonso is faster than Hamilton...... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 😠

I need to go break something 🙂

Watching how Alonso dissects Red Bull... I guess people are just looking for new reasons to whine. 🤦

🤣

Come on, come on, Volkswagen Golf 🎉 Come on, Alonso 🎉

😁

Arthur Doyle70 said:They dropped the updates. 🤷 Update: I'm officially out of the loop. :D

This track layout really plays into Red Bull's hands. Even if McLaren's update actually worked the way it was supposed to, they still probably wouldn't have had enough to grab pole.

It’s all fine as long as the copycat remains a total joke.The real problem is when half your team is complete garbage. 👍 Enjoy the dominance—unless something explodes. 😁

Half? Yeah, right. Not even close.🤣 98 % 😂

Red Bull isn't exactly dominating everything right now. Honestly, they’d actually be unstoppable if that car were sitting in the McLaren garage with their crew running the show. As it stands? It's just not that lethal.😳
There are way too many mistakes on this path for anyone to actually benefit from it. What kind of absolute disaster is this? Honestly, you guys are even worse than Alonso.🙄

Give me a break with you McLaren fans. You’re all whining about Red Bull's dominance when your own drivers are sitting at P1 and P2 in the standings. Your team is sitting on a 30-point lead in the Constructors' Championship, yet here you are, still crying about how much Red Bull owns the sport. Give it a rest.🤣

Kubica is sitting 44 points behind in the championship after nine races, all while driving a Renault—which is basically a backmarker mid-field car at this point. That’s a gap that can actually be closed in just two races. Meanwhile, you guys are over here whining about someone else's dominance. Give me a break.🤣
For crying out loud, Rosberg and Massa still have a shot at the championship halfway through the season? Give me a break. 🤣

We haven't seen a championship this competitive in a decade. What an absolute hell of a dominance we're witnessing.

stormybadger8 said:give me a break, Ford and McLaren were actually interesting back when they were totally dominant🙄

If you want actual entertainment, look at Red Bull😍. Either they’re putting on a massive show between teammates🤣, causing chaos, or just flying off the track. It's never boring with them. Charles Leclerc and Ford were snooze-fests,👎 Brawn was boring too. This whole thing is just pure boredom right now.😁

And hey, I'm allowed to have an opinion... I don't like Red Bull or their drivers, so why should I care about someone building a massive advantage? Even if McLaren drivers were doing it, I wouldn't care... I just want to see some actual racing, even if my team isn't the one winning.

It’s just a brutal reality at this point—Red Bull has built a car with more grip than anyone else on the grid, they tear through qualifying, they're untouchable in the race, and honestly, it feels like they're just fighting the ghosts of Newey's design while everyone else struggles with mediocre machinery. 😁

The season is technically still wide open, though even that feels like a stretch now, but man, it really drains your soul when you see the same single team snatching pole position in like 95% of the races. 😁

I actually went into this weekend thinking I might finally have something to cheer about, but then 😵

Krelac ended up snapping his front wing during the final practice session, which left Red Bull scrambling to figure out what to put on his car.

And guess what they chose to do?

Since they were down to their last two fresh spares, they decided the "fair" thing was to just rip the entire assembly right off Webber's car and slap it onto that arrogant little "golden boy's" machine... 🤣

Honestly, I hope they keep pulling stunts like they did back in Turkey at every single race for the rest of the season... ☕

shadowtinker29 said:Krelac smashed his front wing during the final practice session, leaving Red Bull with a tough call on what to put on his car.

And what did they decide?

Since they only had two new ones left, the most "fair" move was clearly to strip the whole thing off Mark Webber's car and slap it onto the arrogant "golden boy's" machine... 🤣

I honestly hope they keep repeating this exact same mess from Turkey at every single race for the rest of the season... ☕

So, what, Webber just drives Vettel's car because he wrecked his own? That’s just classy, right? Like it doesn't matter at all.🤣

That's just how Krelac operates.😂

If they took the wing off Webber's car, then Vettel basically just got his own wing back.😂

As for Webber's wing, it's probably still floating somewhere over Valencia with the seagulls near the marina.😬🤣

Michael Lee4 said:Look, I’m allowed to have an opinion... I don't care for Red Bull or their drivers, so you can shove it—it’s hard to find anything interesting when one team builds such a massive advantage. Even if the McLaren guys were doing it, I wouldn't care... I just want to see some actual racing. It doesn't even have to be my team winning...

You can't honestly claim Red Bull isn't racing and that it's boring; if there's no one else to fight, they'll just race each other in style. 🤣

Personally, I'm finding them way more enjoyable than McLaren right now. I used to love them, really, until Lewis Hamilton and Zalon showed up. Since then? Definitely not. 👎

Look, you still think McLaren is 😍 👍

Arthur Doyle70 said:Look, man, you still think McLaren is 😍 👍

Look, they're definitely better than Ferrari 😬

but they aren't exactly pulling ahead of Red Bull, Toro Rosso🙏, Williams, Lotus, Renault, or Force India either.

stormybadger8 said:Look, if you're asking me, anything is better than driving for a Ferrari, so sure, maybe 😬

but compared to Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso🙏, Williams, Lotus, Renault, or Force India? Yeah, absolutely not.

I have to wonder where on earth you dug up those references to Lotus and Force India...🤣 🤣

Maybe you brought up Force India because there's a decent Indian spot right around the corner from your place😉, and as for Lotus
, I guess you just liked the name and didn't realize it has zero connection to the legendary team they used to be.😁

Arthur Doyle70 said:Where on earth did you dig up Lotus and Force India...🤣 🤣

Just let him be. He’s clearly drunk again if he’s typing out nonsense like that. 😁

Michael Lee4 said:Just let him be; he’s clearly had a few too many drinks again, so he's just rambling nonsense. 😁

Even with Mercedes on a roll lately, they still managed to completely lose their way. 🤣 Grandpa’s just out there spreading bad vibes again.😁

Arthur Doyle70 said:Where on earth did you dig up Lotus and Force India...

Look, I've always had a soft spot for losers.
That’s why I root for Kimi Räikkönen and McLaren.😬

The car looks cool, though. Plus, I've got a thing for Jarno Trulli and Kovalainen—I just really like the crew. Considering everything, they hold their own pretty well.🙂

Force India isn't exactly a top-tier team, but Adrian Sutil is one of my favorites, so that carries the whole team for me.😉

Still, Mark Webber is my number one. No contest.🙏

I actually had to catch Kovalainen on ESPN earlier today.🤣

And I'll be watching the race tomorrow, too. Goddammit, Sunday at 2 PM...👎 there's no live broadcast, just a replay at 3:00!

At least those guys gave me a good laugh with their ridiculous accents on the driver names.😂

Alguersuari 🤣 🤣

Arthur Doyle70 said:Even Mercedes missed the mark on 🤣 , and Grandpa is just spreading bad vibes😁

Mercedes has Grandpa, which basically makes them the most hated team on the grid😳
If he wasn't there, I'd actually be driving Nick Heidfeld (or better yet, Adrian Sutil) and Nico Rosberg, and I might even root for them against Red Bull Racing. Just totally flipped😳

Dammit, I need to go see Joe for some therapy😱 I don't know what's wrong with me, but lately I've almost felt fond of all Germans (except one), and I even have a soft spot for the Pole, but clearly there's an issue here🤣

😬Then again, I'm not exactly a huge fan of the Spaniards,🤷 and I don't have anything particularly strong against the Englishmen either

What a politically correct response 😬

Honestly, those losers actually have a decent shot at taking first or second tomorrow 😉, though I can't help but laugh at how much Mark Webber is whining about his wings being taken away 🤷; it’s basically their whole brand, yet somehow they're the ones losing out on them 😕

Arthur Doyle70 said:What a politically correct answer :zubo :

The truth is, those losers have a solid shot at P1 or P2 tomorrow😉. Why is Mark Webber whining about not getting wings🤷? That’s their whole damn slogan, yet somehow they take his wings away instead :confused :

Whatever, man. He's acting all defensive and just spinning his wheels🙂

God, what a joke. He spends his entire career driving absolute junk just because he was never fast to begin with—let alone consistent—not to mention all those crazy Blackouts😵

And now he's acting like P2 is a total disaster? Like he's some kind of legend or something👎
I guess he's just terrified someone might actually pull up in front of him, otherwise he might just drive straight into the car ahead🤣

Forget this wing business. Who knows if the car is even faster with it, or if it's even better, and the risk of a blowout is huge. It's not like Sebastian Vettel broke it; these New Yorker parts just tend to fly apart on their own naturally🤣

Honestly, I'd much rather see him have it😬

Then there's that nonsense about him swapping with Alonso😂
If he reads this, I swear I'll lose it if he doesn't land P2 on the grid tomorrow🤣

Look, it’s obviously not just down to pure driving talent, but I honestly can't wrap my head around how that wing just snapped off like that; it makes zero sense 🤷

I guess they can settle their little drama on the track, since that's clearly how they prefer to handle things 👍 😁

Arthur Doyle70 said:Look, it’s probably not strictly about driving skill, but how that wing just flew off? That's a massive question mark right there. 🤷

Let them settle it on the track like they always do. 👍 😁

Honestly, I haven't got a clue. The deal is likely that Mark Webber wrecked his car so badly that Red Bull is totally tapped out on spare parts. Since fixing his car was the priority, they probably didn't have much time to manufacture new stuff. Plus, the car Webber is running now is actually Vettel's, which was already a mess after Turkey. Now they've slapped on this new wing, and well—no spares, no extra parts, and apparently no backup car either. 🤣

No matter how you slice it, Webber is largely responsible for this mess. Meanwhile, Vettel is leading him in the championship, so it’s perfectly logical and normal that the guy in the lead gets the new parts and updates if they can't supply both drivers. I seriously don't get what people are confused about. 🤷

Webber is driving Vettel's car (you know, the unreliable one that Lewis Hamilton and Zalonso breeze past the second it starts acting up 😬), so what is Vettel driving? 🤷 Is he in Webber's spare or what? 🤣

stormybadger8 said:I honestly haven't a clue, though I suppose the whole mess stems from the fact that Webber absolutely wrecked his car, which left Red Bull Racing bone-dry on spares since everyone was too busy trying to fix that wreck to actually manufacture anything new; plus, the car Webber is running now is actually Vettel's, which was already a total disaster after what happened in Turkey, and now they've slapped on this new wing but there are just no spare parts left in the shop, and heaven forbid they even have a backup chassis ready to go.🤣

No matter how you slice it, Webber is largely responsible for this headache, and since Vettel is leading him in the championship, it’s perfectly logical—even standard practice—that the leader gets priority on any new updates if the inventory is running thin, so I really don't see what the big deal is.🤷

So Webber is stuck driving Vettel's car (you know, that finicky one that constantly breaks down, the one Lewis Hamilton and Zalonso breeze past whenever it starts acting up 😬), while what exactly is Vettel driving? 🤷 Is he in Webber's spare or something? 🤣

Since the new wing "fell off" 🤣 during practice, they ended up swapping it for Webber's old one, which meant he got the old front wing without the update, so honestly, they might as well have just flipped a coin 🤣🤣.