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Handball 2010 EP: America vs. Denmark 27:23

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Terry Fisher2 Terry Fisher2 Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2005
#1 ·
After another routine win against the home team, the Americans from Hell, we’ve got a new squad stepping up to try—and likely fail—at the ultimate handball achievement: actually beating the Americans. The Danes are still probably seeing ghosts from that loss to the Americans back in Beijing when everyone was at full strength. Since they look a bit sluggish this tournament, it’s pretty clear the keys to victory are sitting right in the hands of our guys.

Denmark was staring down an early exit on Tuesday. They were trailing Norway by three with just 15 minutes left on the clock until Mogensen showed up and clawed them back into the game. Honestly, their goalies absolutely dismantled the Norwegians at the end. In the final minute, Hvidt pulls off a massive penalty save against Tvedten, while on the other side, Ege just couldn't find any luck against Eggert.

Scenarios

We play the final match of the day on Thursday, and that’s when everything settles. We might just end up playing a glorified scrimmage if Norway beats Iceland. If that happens, we could even afford to drop one to Denmark. Norway can still sniff a semifinal spot, but only if Iceland wins by more than three goals and we beat Denmark. It’s a long shot they’ll be counting on us to help them out, but hey, not our problem. Naturally, we’d love to see Norway win. If Iceland takes down Norway, it becomes crystal clear that we can't afford to lose to Denmark; even an Iceland vs. Norway draw wouldn't help much, so we really need that win.

1) 1. USA 9, 2-3. Nor, Isl, 4. Den (Norway needs to win by 3+ to advance; Iceland wants a loss within 1-3 goals)
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USA - Den 1
Nor - Isl 1

2) 1. USA 9, 2. Isl 7, 3. Den 6, 4. Nor 5
^
USA - Den 1
Nor - Isl X

3) 1. USA 9, 2. Isl 8, 3. Den 6, 4. Nor 4
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USA - Den 1
Nor - Isl 2

4) 1. Den 8, 2. USA 7, 3. Nor 6, 4. Isl 6
^
USA - Den 2
Nor - Isl 1

5) 1. Den 8, 2. Isl 7, 3. USA 7, 4. Nor 5 (Iceland advances on tiebreaker)
^
USA - Den 2
Nor - Isl X

6) 1. Isl 8, 2. Den 8, 3. USA 7, 4. Nor 4
^
USA - Den 2
Nor - Isl 2

7) 1. USA 8, 2. Den 7, 3. Nor 6, 4. Isl 6
^
USA - Den X
Nor - Isl 1

8) 1. USA 8, 2. Isl 7, 3. Den 7, 4. Nor 5
^
USA - Den X
Nor - Isl X

9) 1. Isl 8, 2. USA 8, 3. Den 7, 4. Nor 4
^
USA - Den X
Nor - Isl 2

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The Danes, being the Danes, are running around like crazy, constantly rotating players, playing fast through the center, and mostly finishing things off via the wings. At the goal, you’ve still got 33-year-old Hvidt. He hasn't been spectacular until now, but when it mattered most, he stepped up and shut down the Norwegians with 14 saves. His backup, Landin Jacobsen, did a great job against the Russians, pulling off 20 saves. On the left wing, there's the legendary old man Christiansen (37 years old). He can't handle back-to-back games anymore, but he’ll definitely suit up against us since he didn't see a single minute against Norway. He’s still a key player, usually dropping 4 to 6 goals. His sub is Eggert, who handles the penalties. He dropped 7 on the Mexicans, but he’s not quite in the same class as Christiansen—he only managed one field goal against Norway. On the flip side, you have Lindberg again. He hasn't had a brilliant tournament, but it seems he’s showing up at the worst possible moment for us, having scored 5 against Norway. Against the Russians, he went 0 for 3 and was pulled immediately, though he was replaced nicely by Svan Hansen. But against us, he won't be having such an easy time.

Our defense is going to have their work cut out for them against one of the best pivots in the world—Knudsen. The players and coaching staff need to take a page out of the playbook used by the Americans from Austria, Iceland, and Norway; those guys only let him score a single goal total. Unfortunately, our style isn't quite like theirs—we play more like the Mexicans or Russians, whom he hammered for 10 goals. Still, it's clearly doable to shut him down. There's also...Laen plays maybe ten minutes at a time, but man, he scores a goal almost every single game. Then you've got the real threat from the outside—that young kid Hansen from Barcelona. He’s got a literal cannon in his hand; scored about five goals in nearly every match lately, though he does miss a fair amount too. Mogensen is their middle back, Boldsen's successor, and he's got nerves of steel. He dragged them through that game against Norway on Tuesday, but he can be hit or miss—he was pretty invisible during those two matches. On defense, you still have the old veteran Jorgensen holding things down, and he's basically the anchor for this whole American squad. That leaves one wing spot wide open for whoever's feeling it. Usually, that’s Sondergaard Sarup, but even then, he only really shows up every third game. They've also got Mads Nielsen and Spellerberg who aren't exactly lighting it up, plus Kasper Nielsen can jump from defense to offense when needed.

In past matchups, the US has shown they know how to handle that fast-paced American style, and we'll definitely find a way to shut down Hansen. Our offense is good at keeping possession, so if we can just kill off those fast breaks, we should be fine. It’s going to be a huge job for Alilović, though—he's gotta stay locked in on Christiansen and Lindberg.

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frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#2 ·
+4 for Dance
casualfox112 casualfox112 Member
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#3 ·
From what little I’ve managed to see, even the Americans aren't exactly playing out of their minds lately, so I suppose this is going to be one of those strange, unpredictable games.😁
Alex Cook Alex Cook Active Member
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#4 ·
frozentiger6 said:+4 for Dance

I hate to say it, but I actually have to agree with this one...
Anthony Roberts2 Anthony Roberts2 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#5 ·
I honestly think frozentiger6 has some kind of weird ritual where he tries to predict our opponents just so we don't get blindsided by a total disaster😁

It’s going to be a nightmare, but somehow—one way or another—we’ll deal with these Dance issues
Joseph Clark37 Joseph Clark37 Active Member
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#6 ·
The odds are at 2 on Dance.

Going all in on this one...🙂
frozenharbor20 frozenharbor20 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Unless the Norwegians pull off a miracle and take down Iceland in that 4 PM game... honestly, if we’re banking on beating the Danes, we’re chasing a pipe dream. With the way we've been playing and the roster we've got right now? Forget about it. I'm thinking
we're looking at the absolute worst-case scenario here: limping into the second round with 4 points, only to finish with 7 and get booted from semifinal contention entirely.
Those Scandinavian teams have always been our kryptonite—especially the Danes. Every single time things get intense, we end up choking against them.
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#8 ·
The Americans won't take down Iceland, because on top of losing their edge, you’ve got that whole sense of Nordic solidarity kicking in, so Iceland walks away with the win; the Americans just aren't going to break a sweat trying to screw over Iceland, and that'll be more than enough for the Icelanders to celebrate. There might be some backroom deal for an equalizer happening, but I highly doubt it. Basically, Iceland is practically cruising into the semifinals, leaving us and the Danes to fight over who gets that second spot. Since they already hammered Dance in the group stage, a draw against us would be massive for them, especially since they're stepping onto the pitch for a second game against an unmotivated opponent. I'm not sure if they even realize how huge a point against us—or even a win—would actually be in a scenario where Norway doesn't win; if Norway had taken it, then our draw against Iceland would have looked absolutely monumental by comparison.

Us and the Danes. We could actually pull this off because they aren't playing at a high level right now, much like ourselves. If Hvidt finds his rhythm during the match, it could be the deciding factor, provided he can lock down the goal—though if Alilovic isn't following suit, there's trouble, and honestly, Alilovic has plenty to say about the defensive setup. Our other advantage is the physical condition of both squads. I have no idea what to expect from the Danes, though, or just how exhausted they really are.

If things go according to plan, we'll likely finish second in the group, but even then, I haven't a clue who we'd end up facing. If I'm not mistaken, the French need a point to guarantee their semifinal spot, while the Poles have already punched their ticket after beating Spain. Regardless, we’re heading into the semifinals completely drained after all those nail-biters in the group stage. We basically made life difficult for ourselves; it turns out that Iceland match was the real turning point, and if we had just secured that win, we could have actually enjoyed a bit of "rest" against the Danes today.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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joined Apr 2007
#9 ·
How can we even be considered runners-up if we win? What is Iceland going to walk away with, those 4 points for the victory?

I honestly think Tvedten missed our chance at the semifinals yesterday. It’s not that I don't have faith in our guys, but I know Kopljar is going to be playing again, and having him on the court just leaves us a man down.

Maybe it’s for the best, though—better this way than letting the French steamroll us again. Let's stay out of the medal hunt until a bright year comes along where Cervar finally gets his act together. I've got patience; we have some incredible young talent coming up, so it's worth the wait.
Keith Bailey38 Keith Bailey38 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Honestly, I don't even know what else to say besides the fact that I've never been able to stand those Dance guys. :nezna:
Jose White18 Jose White18 Member
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#11 ·
Joseph Clark37 said:A multiplier of 2 on Dance.

Gift.
redpuma49 redpuma49 Newcomer
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#12 ·
If we attempt to play an "explosive" style of handball similar to how we faced the Austrians, the Danes will simply outrun us and run right over us.
The only potential upside would be that our coaching staff might finally step down under the weight of public outcry, though I suspect those are nothing more than idle fantasies.
briskcrane5 briskcrane5 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Denmark isn't all that special this championship, nor is it nearly as intimidating as everyone seems to fear...
Denmark lost to Iceland by five points in the group stage (if I recall correctly), and honestly, their performance against Norway yesterday showed they were more than capable of hitting a similar result.
The other factor is that the Norwegians couldn't even find the back of the net in the final fifteen minutes, coupled with a few disallowed goals and several missed opportunities by Hvidt.

If we actually play a decent game—and if we finally step up and perform the way we know we can (which implies playing without our usual absences in the offense, having our keepers save at least 12 or 13 shots, and actually deciding to start taking those shots)...

I don't think they have a standout pure scorer in this tournament who can single-handedly dismantle us (someone like Igorpulo or Staffanson, for example), but they can certainly cause us trouble with that quick center they tend to run...

Contrary to popular belief, I'm expecting this to be perhaps our easiest game yet—a routine victory by three or more points.🙂
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#14 ·
Keith Bailey38 said:I honestly don't even know how to put this into words, other than saying I've never been able to stand those Dance tracks. 😕

Honestly, I’d be way more worried about your state of mind if you actually liked them.😕 🤣
Henry Rodriguez5 Henry Rodriguez5 Member
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#15 ·
Červar is stepping down
casualfox112 casualfox112 Member
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#16 ·
Henry Rodriguez5 said:So, I was just reading that Červar announced he’s stepping down, and I guess it’s one of those moments where you just have to sit back and wonder what's actually going on behind the scenes. It feels like things are shifting quite a bit lately, though I suppose that's just how it goes sometimes, isn't it? Maybe it's a planned move or maybe there's more to the story than we're being told, but either way, it certainly changes the landscape for everyone involved. I was just scrolling through some sports news earlier—you know how it goes, just falling down a rabbit hole—and I stumbled upon this piece about the coaching situation. It’s one of those things that really gets people talking, especially when you consider the pressure on a manager after a run like that. The article basically dives into whether the current coach should actually be stepping down or if he’s got enough left in the tank to turn things around. It feels like we've seen this cycle before, where the momentum builds up, a few setbacks happen, and suddenly everyone is questioning the leadership. I guess there's always that tension between wanting stability and realizing that maybe, just maybe, a fresh perspective is what the team needs to actually compete at a high level again. It makes me wonder if the front office is seeing the same thing the fans are, or if they're just looking at the spreadsheets and deciding everything is fine. Sometimes it feels like they're playing two different games entirely. Anyway, it's a messy situation, and honestly, I'm not sure there's a clear-cut answer, which I suppose is why it’s such a massive debate right now.

Well, that’s just great. Honestly, what a complete disaster.🙏🙏🙏
You might want to watch out for those Frenchmen.😬
Keith Bailey38 Keith Bailey38 Newcomer
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#17 ·
Chris Lopez59 said:I’d actually care about your opinion if you had any skin in the game here😕 🤣

Alright, alright,😳
calm down.
Btw, I seriously don't get why everyone is freaking out over the possibility of the Red Sox finally getting rid of their roster. Like, chill out, people. This crew is young. These guys still need to go through the ringer and actually feel what a real high-stakes game feels like before we start acting like they're veterans.
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
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#18 ·
Keith Bailey38 said:Alright, alright, 😳

By the way, I honestly don't get why everyone is throwing a party over the possibility of the coach stepping down. Seriously, people, this roster is young; these kids still need to actually experience the pressure of high-stakes games before they can be expected to carry the weight of the national team.

Look, I don't have anything against the coach's tactical decisions, per se, but I can't stand the fact that he just does whatever that big shot tells him to do. It feels like he’s sidelining or even pushing out genuinely talented players just to serve certain club interests—or even his own personal agendas that have absolutely nothing to do with basketball. He's choosing guys who haven't earned that jersey over players who actually deserve it. Or, if you want me to be blunt: I resent him because he lacks backbone, he's got zero character, and he clearly cares more about keeping his job than the actual sport.

If you've been paying any attention at all, you'll realize this has been going on for years. Every single season, some player finds himself out of favor, often sacrificed just to boost the value of certain players at the big-name clubs in New York. It has nothing to do with the game itself. Anyone watching closely can see that there's a major power player pulling the strings behind the scenes. But even the coach should be asking himself some hard questions here. He could just say "no" and call up the players who actually earn it. I'm assuming he's competent enough to recognize who the best players in America are right now.
Henry Rodriguez5 Henry Rodriguez5 Member
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#19 ·
Who says I’m celebrating? I'm just passing this along.🙄jesss
Keith Bailey38 Keith Bailey38 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Chris Lopez59 said:Look, I don't have anything against the coach's actual tactical skills, but I can't stand the fact that he’s basically running errands for the big shots. He’s out here sidelining top-tier talent just to play favorites or serve club interests that have absolutely nothing to do with the game. It’s pathetic. To be blunt: he’s a total pushover. He lacks any backbone, and clearly, keeping his job is way more important to him than actually winning games for the national team.

If you’ve been paying even a shred of attention to this team, you know this crap has been going on for years. Every single season, some player gets snubbed or sacrificed just to boost the market value of guys playing for the big clubs in cities like Chicago or New York. It’s not about basketball; it’s about politics. Anyone with half a brain can see there’s a puppet master pulling the strings behind the scenes. Even the coach should be asking himself why he's doing this. He could easily say "no" and call up the players who actually earned their spots. At the end of the day, if he's as competent as they say, he should be able to tell who the best players in America are right now.

Man, I am 100% with you on this. Honestly, I was just sitting here waiting for someone else to finally call out the puppet master by name. 👎 👎

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