Alternative Medicine: PDF Moderation Issues

Joseph Watson3 said:Some people can't stand being lied to, the scams, the fake doctors, and people preyed upon because they're desperate and willing to believe any nonsense. Then there are those who just don't give a damn.

Then you'll claim I didn't even read it, acting like the only thing that matters is how someone looks or writes during an argument. Usually, the conspiracy crowd just dumps their personal feelings, crackpot websites, and wild theories about global plots by governments and industries trying to wipe out the population—all without a shred of proof. Take Alan_SP, the king of crackpots over there; he claims MMS cures basically everything and that the European Union and the USA are plotting to kill 95% of the world...

The other side usually brings actual, verified facts to the table, and they expect the same from the first group.

Look, is this the third time I have to tell you I don't care about that bleach crap? Don't drag me into those debates.

I'm talking about the discourse here. It’s pathetic and sad that you guys, claiming to be the scientific/rational side, take shots at the sect instead of the alternative crowd.
Man, the PDF is literally titled "Alternative Medicine." People go there knowing exactly what they're getting into.

It's simple: the second some scientific study proves MMS is lethal or dangerous, the topic gets nuked.
Right now, you've got nothing, and honestly, the fact that no one is actually researching the effects of MMS on health is a massive failure for the science side.

Meanwhile, there's enough research out there to prove that eating exactly 3.589g of raw coffee every morning at 7:34 AM is good for the left side of your lizard brain.🙄

Joseph Watson3 said:For instance, that guy Alan_SP—the absolute crackpot over there—is claiming that MMS can cure basically every illness out there, and that the EU and the USA are actually aiming to wipe out 95% of the global population.

So what? 🤷 I guess he’s allowed to say it. 😕 He isn't an editor at Britannica or the Secretary of Health; he's just some guy on a forum who can write whatever he wants, provided he doesn't break any US laws or the site rules.
The whole point of a forum is that people debate everything—which I suppose provides enough common sense and critical thinking when things get weird.

granitefox16 said:Look, is this really the third time I have to tell you? I am not interested in your bleach, so please stop trying to drag me into your debate.

I’m talking about the discourse here—it is honestly pathetic that those of you claiming to be on the scientific/rational side are attacking the fringe groups instead of the alternative crowd.
Man, that PDF is literally titled "Alternative Treatments." People go there for a reason, and when they click on a file like that, they probably have some idea of what they are getting into.

It is simple: the moment a legitimate scientific study proves that Microsoft is lethal or even just dangerous to health, the topic should be wiped out.
Right now, you have nothing. And frankly, it’s quite telling that there aren't even any studies being conducted on the effects of Microsoft on health—that is a massive failure for the scientific community.

It is equally pathetic and sad that you clearly lack basic reading comprehension—whether it's regarding the "discourse" you keep invoking or this actual thread. What you are looking for was already laid out in post #13; those side effects apply to doses exceeding the maximum allowable limit of 1 ppm.

A neighbor of mine passed away recently due to 🙂 accidental poisoning 🙂 just when she thought she was finally on the mend 🙂

It’s absurd. A glass of Cabernet after dinner is fine, but ten bottles will certainly finish you 🤷

I could easily start a thread in the alternative medicine section claiming that a splash of bleach mixed with tea cured my cancer; I’m sure there are enough fools out there who would try it 🙂

Joseph Watson3 said:It’s honestly pathetic that you can't read comprehension, let alone understand the "discourse" you keep bringing up, much less this thread. What you're looking for is clearly laid out in post #13, and those side effects apply to doses exceeding the 1 ppm limit.

Man, this is bad.

Post thirteen covers the side effects from inhalation, and neither that post nor the linked site mentions what specific amounts the study actually looked at.

Would it really be that crazy or expensive to run a proper study specifically on MMS alongside whatever activators they mix it with?

It's just facts... proving how toxic this stuff is shouldn't be an issue...

Hannah Ross75 said:My neighbor just passed away from it... 🙂 her wife got poisoned 🙂 right when she thought she was finally getting better 🙂

Seriously, why the hell hasn't this hit the news yet?

This isn't some joke, if that's true, the DA needs to get on this immediately...

granitefox16 said:Honestly, why on earth hasn't this been reported anywhere yet?

This isn't just some joke; if that's the case, the Department of Justice has some serious work to do.

Perhaps because these things happen more frequently in the UK, so they don't view it as such a big deal.🤷

If I had done the exact same thing, doctors would simply say: she took matters into her own hands and poisoned herself.🤷

I suspect the outcome would be identical here in America; maybe it would make headlines for a few days, but nothing would actually change.🙂

Hannah Ross75 said:probably because this kind of crap happens more often in England and they just don't give a damn 🤷

if I had done the same thing, doctors would just say: she took matters into her own hands and poisoned herself 🤷

I bet the same thing would happen here in the States, maybe it’d be all over the news for two days, but nothing would actually change 🙂

Two days is plenty, man... people do this stuff on a massive scale all over the world.

And how did they even find out she died from bleach poisoning?

granitefox16 said:ccc, bad.

Post number thirteen lists side effects—including inhalation issues—but if you actually look at either that post or the linked page, there isn't a single mention of the specific dosages used in the study.

It’s right there, obviously. Both the site and the documentation list both the maximum allowed dose and the toxic threshold.

granitefox16 said:Would it really be that expensive or weird to run a study specifically on MMS along with whatever activators they mix it with?

The reality is pretty simple—proving it's harmful to your health shouldn't be an issue.

Well, if you had bothered to actually check instead of just talking in circles, you'd see that Google Scholar is loaded with scientific papers on chlorine dioxide. They all confirm it's a powerful oxidant that indiscriminately kills everything in its path, from pathogens to actual body cells—making it useful for nothing more than external disinfection.

Recommending you drink something like that just because it kills bacteria is about as logical as telling someone to swap their antibiotics for a shot of whiskey—I mean, sure, alcohol is a decent disinfectant, but we aren't exactly running a clinic here. And if we’re really following that line of reasoning, why stop at bacteria? Why not start prescribing it for cancer or autoimmune disorders too? 🤣

Joseph Watson3 said:Suggesting people drink something like that because it kills bacteria is like suggesting they swap antibiotics for bourbon; sure, alcohol disinfects, but there's a limit. One could easily take it a step further and claim it cures cancer or autoimmune issues, rather than just addressing bacterial 🤣

don't go against bourbon 😍 I highly recommend it 😍

Joseph Watson3 said:Suggesting people drink this because it kills bacteria makes about as much sense as telling someone to swap their antibiotics for whiskey just because alcohol disinfects things. You could even go a step further and suggest it for cancer or autoimmune issues instead of just bacterial stuff. 🤣

I guess one thing doesn't make sense to me—if there is so much interest from the "opposition" regarding the supposed dangers of MMS, why hasn't anyone actually read the book by the guy who started all this before drawing conclusions? Jim Humble
Judging something based solely on forum debates and then foaming at the mouth or spamming the board with constant protests is pretty ridiculous, as long as these self-righteous types claiming to seek truth and knowledge don't actually inform themselves about what they are attacking. Claiming to be objective while refusing to look at the other side's arguments seems like pure irrational hysteria to me.

Are you actually kidding me right now? You want me to read a book by some quack who makes his living peddling bleach to cancer patients? How is that any different from reading the same kind of nonsense from the crackpots on this forum?

I mean, what if he didn't use that money to fund actual research—you know, legitimate animal testing at a respected institute—and then publish those "revolutionary" findings in an actual peer-reviewed journal?

Oh wait, I forgot—it’s clearly not in anyone's interest to find a cure for cancer. All those millions of scientists and thousands of institutions, universities, and massive corporations like Pfizer or Mayo Clinic are just pretending to look for one. It’s all part of a grand global conspiracy to wipe out 95% of the population after milking them dry with fake remedies first, right?🤣

Joseph Watson3 said:someone actually funded research on this, starting with animal testing first

🙏🙏

dustyharbor18 said:you've listed a bunch of illegal and criminal activities.

Just for context:
You can pick up a book about MMS at any local bookstore—that's perfectly legal. The author of that book travels all over the world giving lectures—and he does it all by the book!
So, really, what are we even debating here??

There isn't a single statute in existence that places the specific substances or methods being discussed on this sub outside the bounds of the law.

@JPK people discuss all sorts of things via private message
and, just like the name implies—that is their own private business.

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Then again, there are books out there that glorify narcotics in one way or another. This situation is something else entirely. We are talking about someone profiting from practicing medicine without a license, preparing compounds that are dangerous to health, and using a forum as an advertising platform.

dustyharbor18 said:Chlorine dioxide is used in dentistry for disinfecting cavities, in bleaching flour, added to water supplies, and so on. 🤷
So, even if it is toxic—it’s clearly acceptable in certain doses. What exactly is the issue here?

It is acceptable when used in specific doses and through specific methods determined by trained professionals. It is not meant to be used in amounts or in ways that pose a health risk—and look, moderator, you've surely read that people are suffering from diarrhea, nausea, lethargy, and other signs of acute poisoning—especially when they are following advice from people who barely finished high school.

Clorox is also used for disinfection, and Clorox would be perfectly harmless if you diluted a single drop into 100 liters of water. Still, I think even you would realize right away that drinking Clorox isn't exactly a wise move.

dustyharbor18 said:What else can I say? — edge pretty much summed it all up perfectly:

As they say in the movies...

Joseph Watson3 said:Look, if you actually bothered to check instead of just acting like an expert, you'd see there's a mountain of research indexed on Google Scholar regarding chlorine dioxide. It’s established as a powerful oxidant that non-selectively kills everything in its path, pathogens and body cells alike, making it strictly useful for external disinfection only.

This isn't even about MMS; it's about moderation on the ALTERNATIVE medicine sub. So you really don't need to lecture me on the fact that chlorine dioxide is toxic. I don't care, and honestly, it wouldn't even cross my mind to ingest that crap.

The point is simple: some people think it helps them, they even think it cures diseases. The issue is, damn it, they actually believe it and they're willing to testify to it.

Now, it's on you to use Google—which is a massive resource—to find maybe ten cases where taking MMS led to death. It doesn't even have to be deaths; it could be health getting worse after taking MMS. They could even be fake since we can't prove them, just like we can't prove that guy's "miracle cure" actually healed all those people from malaria.

And that whole argument about him being a crackpot profiting from this doesn't hold water either. From what I know, he was upfront about what ingredient it was, and you could mix that same garbage up yourself.
It's not even the main thing, though. The fact that someone uses people's suffering to convince them that a chemical which realistically can't help is enough to make it disgusting, even if they aren't making money off it.
People visiting the alternative treatment section are there for a reason. If what they're taking isn't harmful, then who are you to lecture them about it being a placebo and why that should matter?

Honestly, man, it's just gross. And stirring up global panic over a strain of flu that didn't kill anyone outside of Mexico, but only served to line the pockets of the Tamiflu manufacturers... it's disgusting. It's sickening that idiots in America were hoarding massive supplies of those pills at $67 per 10 tablets, especially considering that drug is supposed to be prescription-only.

That profit argument is a double-edged sword. Comparing drinking freaking bleach—which might only help you clear your bowels—to prescribing antibiotics for a viral sore throat is ridiculous.
That damn antibiotic you get the second you walk into a doctor's office is about as useful as MMS for HIV in 50% of cases.

Gregory Turner71 said:Code:

U.S. Criminal Code, Section 244.

(1) Whoever, lacking the required professional credentials, treats another person or provides medical assistance,

shall be punished by a fine of up to sixty days' wages or imprisonment for up to six months.

(2) Whoever commits the offense from paragraph 1 of this section for a reward or for profit,

shall be punished by a fine or imprisonment for up to one year.

Preparation and production of harmful medicinal agents

Section 245.

(1) Whoever prepares or produces preparations or products for sale or other means of commercialization which are harmful to human health,

shall be punished by a fine or imprisonment for up to one year.

There are also books out there that glorify drugs in one way or another. That’s a completely different matter. Here, someone is making money through unlicensed practice, preparing dangerous substances under the guise of health, and advertising them via forums.

As far as I know, a thread with these same complaints was open on the legal subforum for a while. They closed the thread—I guess I wonder why.
The quote you provided would apply to someone opening a clinic and treating people.
Cases where laypeople advise each other and exchange information happen in all sorts of situations. It isn't rare for people to give advice or even share medications prescribed to them by doctors. I guess you can't really stop that by policing a forum. I doubt it.
If advertising is the issue, then they could just as easily shut down cooking threads because they promote potatoes and sausages, which someone might profit from or someone else might get an upset stomach from. I mean—it’s about substances that can be bought for pennies in various places.
Regarding the legality of consuming MMS and similar things, maybe all these busybodies should just contact the publisher and the author directly and continue this debate there, or through the appropriate authorities.

dustyharbor18 said:From what I recall, there was a thread open for a while addressing these exact same complaints. They ended up locking it—which honestly leaves me wondering why that decision was made.
The quote you mentioned would really only apply to a scenario where someone actually opens up their own medical clinic and starts treating patients.
The whole phenomenon of laypeople advising one another and swapping information covers just about every possible scenario you can imagine. It happens all the time—you see people giving out advice, and more often than not, they’re even passing around specific medications that were originally prescribed to them by their own doctors. Can you actually stop that kind of thing just by moderating a forum? I highly doubt it.
If we’re going to claim that advertising is the core issue here, then by that logic, we might as well shut down all the cooking forums too—after all, they spend half their time pushing potatoes and sausages, which some people could easily exploit while others might end up with a massive stomach ache. My point is this: we are talking about something that can be picked up for next to nothing at just about any local shop.
When it comes to the legality of using MMS or anything similar, I really think the most sensible approach is for anyone concerned about the regulations to take their grievances directly to the publisher and the author. That’s where the conversation belongs—with the people actually responsible for the material. Beyond that, if you feel there's a legitimate issue, it should be handled through the appropriate US regulatory agencies and legal channels. It's best to move the debate to the right forum rather than circling it here.

And what exactly is the difference between that and what she turned the forum into by clicking around on Alternative for Change—aside from just the medium they're using to communicate?

It’s becoming increasingly common to see certain individuals positioning themselves as absolute authorities—people who feel perfectly entitled to prescribe medical treatments and direct others on how to manage their illnesses—all while peddling their own proprietary supplements. It’s a pattern I'm noticing more often lately, and frankly, it's concerning. These people step into these roles without any of the formal medical training or professional credentials required to actually handle such sensitive health matters. They lack the necessary expertise to provide safe advice, yet they act as if their word is law, purely to facilitate the sale of their own products.

Don’t try to drive me crazy with this narrative about laypeople just "exchanging advice" here and there. We aren't talking about casual, well-meaning conversations between neighbors—that's not what this is. What we are actually seeing are individuals posing as self-proclaimed experts, leveraging their influence to convince others to disregard professional medical advice, all while peddling their own proprietary supplements. It isn't some naive, spontaneous exchange of ideas; it is a calculated, organized operation designed to turn a massive profit.