China Trip - Shanghai (April 19, 2009)

Man, it’s been way too long... honestly, what have you guys been doing with your lives? I come back and see you all just sitting around waiting for some middle schooler to start the conversation 😁🙏

rustystag7 said:Look, you've got a point there, and sure, there are differences, but they aren't exactly massive...

Not massive?? 😕 I definitely don't see it that way... though if we're being honest, they're more than enough to separate the elite from the mediocre in F1...☕

rustystag7 said:Damn, I’ve been gone for ages, but what happened to you people? Are you really just sitting around waiting for some middle schooler to start the conversation for you?😁🙏

Well, when he starts a thread, both Ferrari and McLaren are screwed, so why break a perfectly good tradition?😬🤣

Arthur Doyle70 said:Not drastic?? 😕 I don't know about that... I definitely disagree... but okay, let's look at it this way: they're enough to separate the elite from the mediocre or just average drivers in F1...☕

I don't really have a super solid opinion on this or anything...

Like, who can you actually say is better than their teammate without just being a biased fanboy? No real logic behind it, just talking...

Okay, sure, Alonso vs. Pickett—that's too obvious, but those two are different animals entirely, totally different experience levels and whatever else...

But hey, we had Hamilton and Alonso back in the day, and while Hamilton is a legend, it doesn't matter how you slice it, you know deep down the gap wasn't massive...

And you guys already know my take on Kimi Massa....

Kubica and Nick Heidfeld? To me, Heidfeld was totally underrated, like a second driver who was just in a different headspace compared to Kubica...

Plus, there's the physical stuff, right? Like how some bodies just fit certain cars better than others...

A million things play into it, but again, the gaps are small. Nothing crazy....

Fanboying aside, obviously there's a huge gap there, but realistically? It's actually pretty tiny. 🤷

rustystag7 said:I don't really have a set opinion on this whole thing...

Without getting caught up in biased fanboy nonsense, who among teammates can you actually say is objectively better than the other?

Sure, Alonso vs. Pickett is too obvious, but those are two completely different drivers with different skill sets and experiences and whatever else...

Back when we had Hamilton and Alonso, sure, Hamilton was the guy, but it doesn't matter how you slice it—you know deep down the gap wasn't massive...

And you already know my take on Kimi and Massa....

Kubica and Nick Heidfeld—in my book, Heidfeld is a totally underrated second driver who just wasn't in the same headspace as Kubica at the time...

Plus, you have physical predispositions where some drivers just fit a setup better than others...

There's a lot of variables in play, but I'll say it again, the actual differences are minor, nothing drastic....

Of course, if you're a die-hard fan, one looks miles ahead, but realistically, it's a tiny margin 🤷

We're barking up the wrong tree here...👍

You’ve got your view and I’ve got mine, and honestly... we could go in circles about this forever.🤷 😉

Arthur Doyle70 said:We're totally missing the point here....👍

Look, you've got your take and I've got mine... and honestly? We could just go in circles forever like this. 🤷 😉

For real though... better if we don't even start this until someone else jumps in and turns it into some playground fight where they're yelling about how their dad is cooler than your dad or whatever. 🙏

rustystag7 said:honestly, it feels like this whole forum is just crawling with haters who spend more energy rooting against people than actually backing anyone they actually like...🙏 ...

🙂

as far as I'm concerned, I don't care if Lewis Hamilton is second in the standings, as long as Kimi Räikkönen is sitting right there ahead of him.🤷 😁

Brenda Jones7 said:🙂

Honestly, if you ask me? I don't really care if it's Alexander Hamilton or someone else entirely. It doesn't change much for me. 🤷 If Kimi Räikkönen’s leading the pack, then yeah, obviously he's ahead of him. 😁

Look, if Kimi Räikkönen is behind the wheel, he better be out there leading the pack from the jump. If he’s gonna drive like some old lady at a grocery store, though? Honestly, whatever happens, happens. I don't care. 🙏

rustystag7 said:Look, if Kimi Räikkönen actually finds his groove and drives like a beast, he deserves to be out front, but if he decides to drive like some grandma heading to the grocery store, then whatever happens, happens. 🙏

Oh, really? So by that logic, does that mean Lewis Hamilton hasn't earned any of those high finishes lately?
not 😛

And honestly, Kimi Räikkönen never drives like a grandma—it’s just that sometimes, quite frankly, he just doesn't feel like putting in the effort. 😁