Moderator Tik's behavior on other PDFs

Roger Allen2 said:I actually support them, and my university falls right into that category.

Are you seriously trying to shock me with this🤔? No can do 🙂
Ever since I heard about the whole creationist biologist scam, very little can rattle me or leave me staring in disbelief 🤷 It’s just a total waste of taxpayer money being funneled into studies backed by the Department.

dustypuma5 said:...
My real-life Alternative would be getting exiled to some deserted island—but if it exists here on Reddit, then it needs to be respected just like any other subforum. Same goes for the people actually participating in the Alternative section.
If the pacifists started attacking the Military forum, the scientists hit the Alternative section, or Non-partisan politics got raided by history revisionists, this whole site would go up in flames.
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Look, I don't have anything against you thinking the Alternative section is basically your own private island. Honestly, feel free to say that over in the Alternative section if you want. But I definitely *do* have an issue when you use insults or belittling tactics to derail discussions in those specific areas. It’s your choice to dislike the Alternative section, but it's also my choice to post there—and it never crosses my mind to, say, wander over to the Police Department section just to insult the users, the moderators, the science, or whatever else is being discussed. If I have something to say that actually adds value to a conversation, I’ll say it.
That comparison you made between the pacifists and the "soldiers"... man, that's a good one. Actually, it's great. Just to be clear—and let me put this a bit more simply—I'm not saying people shouldn't leave their own neighborhoods, I'm just trying to point out that certain people (usually the same few guys) constantly barge into someone else's neighborhood just to provoke the residents, throw insults, and start fights.

Hard to find anything to complain about here...😁

Exactly!

Melissa Castillo said:Are you actually trying to shock me🤔? No can do🙂
Ever since I heard about that narrow-minded creationist biologist fraud, very little has been able to leave me stunned or speechless🤷. It is just a waste of taxpayer money being funneled into studies supported by the Department.

It would be ideal if one could find a middle ground between natural remedies and modern medicine. Both approaches have their specific uses, flaws, and advantages. In 99% of cases, people turn to medicine first, only seeking out natural alternatives when doctors essentially say, "We've done all we can; we are helpless here." If you ever found yourself in that position, I am certain you would also turn to nature and whatever it has to offer. Of course, there is no guarantee that nature will provide the cure you need, but what else is left to do when doctors claim your case is an unsolvable enigma?
As far as I am concerned, I would never ban anyone, because I believe everyone deserves their own way of expressing themselves. Timothy Jackson2 is full of academic data, which explains why they speak that way, and I don't blame them—in fact, I completely understand. However, looking back at the situation, they shouldn't comment on someone's appearance without having seen them. I assume Alan wasn't even that offended, at least that is my impression.

placidheron24... Why are you fighting so hard against seeing the other side of the coin? Why defend the chemists who are constructively pointing out that, in certain instances, we're dealing with toxins that could actually be lethal? Or is consuming that stuff just, you know, perfectly safe IYO? Personally, I’d love to hear someone claim it’s fine even if it were affecting my own (hypothetical) health 🤷

Disclaimer: I am not advocating for MMS as a medical treatment, nor am I supporting the practice of medicine by individuals who lack the proper credentials required under US law.

It all comes back to this blind faith in authority. People seem to assume that anyone with a medical degree is automatically qualified to manage your health, just as they assume any mechanic can fix a high-end engine or any professor is naturally gifted at teaching. In reality, it isn't nearly that straightforward. A diploma doesn't always equal expertise, though there are certainly exceptions. I’m sure you know plenty of people holding degrees in various fields who simply aren't equipped for the work they were trained to do. There are countless doctors out there who wouldn't be trusted to check a patient's temperature, let alone handle anything more complex.

Melissa Castillo said:Placidheron24... Why are you fighting so hard against showing the other side of the coin? Why defend chemists who are making valid points about how certain substances can act as poisons with potentially fatal results? Or is consuming this stuff actually harmless, IMO? Personally, I would love to hear someone claim that my own (hypothetically compromised) health was at risk 🤷

What specifically did you mean when you wrote "poisons with potentially fatal results"? Were you referring to MMS or just alternative medicine in general?

placidheron24 said:And if you want a perfect example of why I say that, just take a look at that post from nimblewalker58 on this thread—the one where they went out of their way to label me some kind of dark wizard.

Let’s not start throwing around accusations, shall we? 🙂

nimblewalker58 said:

Time will eventually tell if your little alternative actually holds any water, or if you're just another dark wizard peddling magic potions at some local county fair.

Drew Allen said:Disclaimer: I don't support MMS as a medical treatment, nor do I support people practicing medicine without proper education under US laws.

Ah, the blind faith in authority. As if everyone graduating from med school is suddenly qualified to manage your entire health profile, or every mechanic can fix a high-end engine, or every professor actually knows how to teach... It’s never quite that simple, is it? A degree doesn't automatically make someone a professional, with a few rare exceptions. I'm sure you know plenty of people with diplomas who aren't actually competent in their fields. There are countless doctors out there who wouldn't be trusted to take a temperature, let alone handle anything serious.

It isn't about guaranteeing 100% certainty, but surely someone who actually finished their degree has a better shot at knowing something than someone who failed out. Of course, you can teach yourself, but people in the alternative scene seem more interested in preaching than actually learning. It's like a cult. That's why people get so worked up about tik. It isn't because they're being told to drink poison—which, by the way, is true—it's because it challenges their beliefs. And people tend to act pretty irrational when you mess with their faith.

Under Siege 2. Assumption is The Mother of All fuckups, and honestly, this post of yours is just riddled with them, haha...
The folks over on the Alternative forum are actually quite educated—well above average, if you catch my drift. Unfortunately, the local Police Department operates at a level significantly below them, though maybe you'll realize that once you climb high enough, or maybe you never will... damn. Since quantum mechanics was proven 70 years ago, we've known that the idea of a physical world being solid, unchanging, and independent of the mind is totally unsustainable... but I guess some "scientists" will need at least another 700 years to wrap their heads around that. Anyway, about 99% of the "Alternative" crowd relies on those exact kinds of flawed premises.
As far as medicine goes, it's really not my place to judge someone else's choice to poison themselves with Farm crap, eat GMOs, or spend all their time chilling on Farm Islam... if they want to end up chronically ill sooner or later, be my guest!
MMS isn't a poison, it doesn't have side effects, and it definitely isn't bleach... reading those "Police Department scientists" try to lecture me on chemistry was honestly like reading total nonsense from people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. 😁
(NaClO2, or sodium chlorite, is bleach. MMS is ClO2.)

Personally, I’m not an extremist; I prefer to pick the best from both worlds. For example, I'll go with Western medicine for emergencies, no questions asked. 🙂

The paranoia among you alternative crowd is getting out of hand. It’s like everyone is being poisoned by everything—food, medicine, the air, the water, who even knows what else... I mean, let’s just take a breath for a second. I’m certainly not saying Big Pharma is some saintly organization, but half the stuff you guys claim about them is just completely detached from reality.

And then there’s this constant obsession with MMS. That’s not the only issue, either. (Honestly, I think Alan probably thinks pathophysiology is science fiction. Like, "the body cleanses itself of pathogens through bowel movements." Seriously? Think about that for a second. It’s actually pretty sad that there are so many books written on the subject, yet you all seem to find it impossible to read even one of them. No, instead, you BLINDLY believe someone who doesn't have a single medical bone in their body.) On the Military forum, people are even talking about ingesting clay. The supposed mechanism of action they describe regarding how clay supposedly "cleanses" the system makes zero sense. And don't even get me started when some forum user claims urine is HEALTHY and starts recommending it to everyone. Look, folks, I really don't care if you want to eat literal garbage... but your total lack of understanding regarding the topics you discuss is honestly painful to watch. All your rambling is built entirely on faith, while there isn't a shred of evidence for these "magic potions." I won't even get into vaccinations. I'm not saying modern medicine is perfect, but there's a massive difference: in medicine, we use controlled experiments to prove whether something works and HOW it works, whereas in the alternative scene, everything is just based on faith and the placebo effect.

Melissa Castillo said:Are you actually trying to shock me🤔? No can do🙂
Ever since I heard about that narrow-minded creationist biologist scam, honestly, nothing really knocks me off my chair or leaves me staring wide-eyed anymore🤷—not when you consider all the taxpayer money being flushed down the drain on studies backed by the Department.

Look, I’m not trying to shock you. Why would I even do that? If this stuff is shocking to you, maybe just take the blinders off—you might see the world for what it actually is. As much good as science has brought to the table, it’s done just as much damage. The folks over at the Police Department view science as THE ultimate truth, but let's be real, modern science isn't exactly noble anymore, and it barely seems to care about the greater good of humanity. But then again, what’s the alternative? What counts as alternative medicine? It’s usually just whatever the medical establishment and big pharma lobbies refuse to acknowledge. Ideally, healing should be a black box: you put a sick person in one end, a healthy person comes out the other, and everything that happens in between is irrelevant.

Megan Ramos29 said:assumption is the mother of all fuckups

Honestly, that's my absolute favorite line from Under Siege 2.
Under Siege 2. Assumption is The Mother of All fuckups

Roger Allen2 said:Medical treatment should basically be a black box. You put a sick person in one end, and a healthy person comes out the other. Whatever happens in the middle doesn't really matter.

Put simply, and honestly? Spot on. 👍

(Plus, that signature of yours is brilliant—really hits home given what we're talking about here 😉 )

Kate Bishop76 said:The paranoia surrounding you alternative types is getting intense. It’s like everyone is being poisoned—by food, by medicine, by the air, the water... honestly, who knows what else.

But isn't it the exact same thing that's poisoning us, based on what you just listed?

Kate Bishop76 said:It’s just sad because there are SO many books written on this subject, yet you all seem to find it impossible to read even a single one. NO, you just BLINDLY believe someone who doesn't have a shred of medical training.

Look, most people aren't doctors, nor did they spend years in higher education. If a doctor sat me down and told me I had maybe a month left to live, am I really supposed to go sit in a library and study? Or should I maybe look at what the alternative options are?

Kate Bishop76 said:On that Military forum, they actually discuss taking clay orally. The way it works and how it cleanses the body—that part isn't about intelligence. The difference is that mainstream medicine uses experiments to prove if something works and HOW it works, whereas everything in the alternative scene is built entirely on faith and the placebo effect.

See, I know a bit about clay. If you go to a doctor and tell them you want to get rid of acne, they’re going to prescribe you pills. And then people take those pills simply because a doctor said so. And we all know how incredibly "healthy" popping pills is, right? Because, after all, they're a product of science. Even if they end up being totally useless. Clay is an alternative that actually works. So, what do you think a person should actually take?

Kate Bishop76 said:It’s just sad that so many books have been written from that area, yet you all find it impossible to read even one of them.

Look, dear, plenty of books have been written from this side of the line too... so, I guess, who's actually uneducated here?

Roger Allen2 said:Most people aren't MDs or PhDs. If a doctor told me I only had a month left to live, would I really sit there reading a textbook? Or would I be looking into what else is out there? What an alternative might offer?

And then you hear about those folks who spend their final days buried in books, counting down the seconds... how do they put it? Oh, right... Darwinism in action.

😁 🤣

Drew Allen said:Disclaimer: I’m not advocating for MMS as a medical treatment, nor am I supporting anyone practicing medicine without being properly licensed under US law.

Drew Allen, you have your take and I have mine. As Voltaire put it: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I really hope we don't lose sight of this while we're busy arguing about Alternative science vs. the "official" establishment.

Timothy Jackson2 said:You’re a bitter person. You weigh about six pounds soaking wet and try to work out, but hey, one arm was stunted. It wouldn't be MMS if it hadn't fixed you up, though, since both your arms are fully developed now. I’m guessing you don't have a wife or kids. You've poured your entire life into pushing pseudoscience, doing everything in your power to get people to follow your lead—mostly just so you don't bruise your own ego. Since you aren't much to look at physically, you have to overcompensate by acting like a genius. You expect people to worship you, and that's what feeds your ego. My dear Alan, do something about your appearance and find yourself a woman; you'd be a lot happier with life. A total lack of sex is frustrating. Good luck to you. Once you realize how great it is to actually have someone by your side, you won't feel the need to feed your ego on Reddit anymore.

If you want to argue about this, go ahead and take it to Reddit or the Police Department. Or just find some non-partisan politics territory like a random hobbyist forum.
The real issue for the PŽK is how we handle sanctioning moderators who go on a tear and start insulting users. That’s the actual problem, but it's getting buried under this trench warfare you guys are stuck in—where nobody’s willing to budge even an inch.
The bolded and colored text is just plain obnoxious. It deserves sanctions, especially coming from someone who’s supposed to be setting the tone and leading by example for everyone else on Reddit.

Don't worry, they won't get lost...
And let's make sure nothing gets lost this time either—Alan has stood behind everything he says, publicly, with his whole heart and soul. He isn't getting a single cent out of what he does; if anything, he’s just helping people. Real people. You can see the composure, the class, and the groundedness in every single one of his posts. He never pretends to have all the answers, either. In fact, he constantly reminds everyone that deciding to take MMS or anything else is strictly a personal choice. You have to own your own decisions, especially since you're the one who lives with the consequences, if there even are any.
Personally, I think it would be perfectly normal for any scientist working for the PD, and especially for doctors, to actually show some interest in how someone managed to recover from a disease that was declared incurable... hey! Just dig a little deeper... anything would be better than this total denial and ignoring of FACTS, especially when they're this big! 😕

Roger Allen2 said:If you head to the doctor and tell them you want to get rid of acne, they’re just going to prescribe you some pills. And then people go right ahead and take those pills because a doctor said so. Because we all know how incredibly healthy taking pills is, right? Since they're clearly a product of science. Not to mention they usually don't even work. The real alternative is clay, which actually gets the job done. So, what should a person actually be taking?

Oh, please, stop talking nonsense. What kind of pills are we even talking about for acne? Sure, hormonal imbalances can cause breakouts on your neck and face, but for almost everything else, you'd just see an aesthetician, or if it's a serious issue, a dermatologist. There are plenty of cosmetic treatments out there that are super effective at clearing up acne...😉

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Look, honey, if we’re talking about what’s being written on this side of the aisle, there are plenty of books being tossed around too... so really, who's the one being uneducated here?

Mandagora, I think you could probably make a much sharper point than that... 😍