Moving chat threads from US to Offtopic

fadedheron892 said:Brandon Castillo4, you and mistywolf17 clearly don't get that the Finger of Fate is way more than just some random chat.
Do you seriously think your little "Are you guys screwing me over better than this chat?" thread actually matters?
If you had actually dropped that nonsense about gold diggers and why people stay in toxic relationships right there in the main chat, believe me, you would have been flooded with actual quality, constructive feedback—and you probably would've even met someone in the process. So tell me, how much weight do you honestly give to an opinion from a total stranger on one of your own threads?

Why don't we want to be Off topic?

Because this chat is the one damn bright spot in all of America amidst a massive pile of whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice.
Because it's through this specific chat that so many lonely hearts have found each other and started hanging out.
Because no new lonely heart is ever going to wander into the Off topic section looking for other lonely hearts to connect with.

Then why don't you all participate so constructively on the subforum otherwise? Why don't you start interesting discussions there? Why do you choose to write all this in a somewhat closed chat meant for a specific group?

Because this chat is the only bright spot in the entire US compared to the endless whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice found elsewhere.
Because it’s through this very chat that many lonely hearts have connected and found companionship.
Because no newly lonely heart is going to head over to Offtopic to search for other lonely hearts.

That's why. Because for most of you, the US is just one big whining session and you're sick of it. You want a chat where you can talk about everything without anyone complaining or crying. But why would you even read or engage with those kinds of threads? Because those types of topics are what make up the subforum. I suppose most people can't handle reading them because they find it too depressing, so they'd rather just have cheerful chats. But maybe do that on a different subforum. On the US, it just doesn't make sense.

First of all, I have no idea why you guys decided to start cleaning up the US section first.
Is this some directive coming from the top brass, or just your own personal take on what "quality" means?
If this actually came from above, then I’m going to step up in the US section and start reporting every single instance of profanity and everything else. Those same authors were incredibly disrespectful to people posting certain ads and stuff. So, when it comes down to actual quality and basic decency, they were the first ones who deserved to be banned.
Secondly, since I'm naive enough to believe your goal is actually to improve the quality of the forum, I’d ask you to run an analysis on all the PDFs and their associated chats so we can actually see if they even hold any value.
I truly believe your goal should be satisfying everyone on the forum, and you'll only achieve that through transparency, impartiality, and all those qualities that define a democracy rather than a totalitarian regime.

I’ve had a few people sliding into my PMs asking why the song threads are locked.
The whole songs thing is just bizarrely stupid. Seriously, it's brainless.

Like, if I went in right now and posted Tool, what would actually happen?

If someone finds one single line that hits home, they start posting nonsense anyway. They just drop a lyric that matches their current headspace or whatever mood they're in at the moment. If you don't get it, just look at the last post in the songs thread. Some woman posted ten different Bon Jovi tracks. Is that even the point?

I could go in there right now and post ten Rage Against the Machine songs. So what? It makes zero sense. The mindless scrolling already exists elsewhere.

Anonymous said:First of all, I have no idea why you guys decided to start cleaning up the US section first.
Is this some directive coming from the top brass, or just your own personal take on what "quality" means?
If this actually came from above, then I’m going to step up in the US section and start reporting every single instance of profanity and everything else. Those same authors were incredibly disrespectful to people posting certain ads and stuff. So, when it comes down to actual quality and basic decency, they were the first ones who deserved to be banned.
Secondly, since I'm naive enough to believe your goal is actually to improve the quality of the forum, I’d ask you to run an analysis on all the PDFs and their associated chats so we can actually see if they even hold any value.
I truly believe your goal should be satisfying everyone on the forum, and you'll only achieve that through transparency, impartiality, and all those qualities that define a democracy rather than a totalitarian regime.

Because we moderate the US. We can't exactly clean up cars or software if we're busy managing the US. You get what I'm saying?

fadedheron892 said:Brandon Castillo4, you and mistywolf17 clearly don't get that the Finger of Fate is way more than just some random chat.
Do you seriously think your little "Are you guys screwing me over better than this chat?" thread actually matters?
If you had actually dropped that nonsense about gold diggers and why people stay in toxic relationships right there in the main chat, believe me, you would have been flooded with actual quality, constructive feedback—and you probably would've even met someone in the process. So tell me, how much weight do you honestly give to an opinion from a total stranger on one of your own threads?

Why don't we want to be Off topic?

Because this chat is the one damn bright spot in all of America amidst a massive pile of whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice.
Because it's through this specific chat that so many lonely hearts have found each other and started hanging out.
Because no new lonely heart is ever going to wander into the Off topic section looking for other lonely hearts to connect with.

If threads are the only thing worth anything on the US, then why are you all so desperately trying to crawl into that mud pit?

Second off, I agree with you—there are way too many "I am a lonely bottom of the barrel" type threads. I remember a few weeks back there was this guy, David or whatever his name was; the guy spent a month of Jesus's time moping about how he'd never get over his ex, turning into nothing but song lyrics and posts ending in sad emojis.

In practice, it looked like this:

"Ivanna, come back. I can't do this without you. Life is just too hard, oh my angel.

😢 😢 😢 😢 😢"

And he did that roughly 8,921,891 times. 😁

Look, people tried to write back, try to discuss things, try to help the guy. And so did I. But he doesn't read; he just stays "😢".

So, we tried starting maybe 6 or 7 different threads to break that cycle, to breathe some life into the sub-forum with actual discussions. I've received about 40 PMoves total over the last month from people who are thrilled with the changes. Besides, they are actually contributing to the threads and having real discussions. Yeah, sure, we clashed a bit or didn't click right away, but the discussions have generally been top-tier.

We allowed for a little banter and some heavier debating; it wasn't just sterile mocking, and I think people actually enjoyed it. A lot of people. And that is the whole POINT of the US.

Your "point" is hanging out with 15 or 20 people. And again, I'm telling you, that's great, but you can still hang out—nobody closed or deleted that topic, the topic still EXISTS on the forum.

The fact that I personally prefer those kinds of topics to be over on DiK is a separate issue. I can't make that happen because the crew over at DiK, as mistywolf17 puts it, doesn't allow outside topics to bleed in.

mistywolf17 said:I'm sorry, but most people don't really participate. In fact, Amanda James27 is probably the one most active on this sub-forum. As for everyone else, some might leave maybe 5 to 10 posts a month, while others don't post anything at all outside of the chat.

Regarding moderating a chat, it would take me several hours a day to monitor it properly. Do you really think any of the moderators have that kind of time or even want to spend it that way? 😕 But that's not really the point right now, because those chats aren't very productive anyway.
Like I've mentioned before, I think a themed chat would actually make sense.

I’ve already laid out my reasons for this, at least regarding how I see things.
I honestly don't see the point in circling back and repeating the exact same points over and over in a single thread. Back when the chat was integrated into the subforum, it was great because new people would wander in, introduce themselves, and start connecting—some stuck around, others didn't. But that dynamic is gone now. It's not like we're some super exclusive, tight-knit clique or anything.

mistywolf17 said:I'm sorry, but most people don't really participate. In fact, Amanda James27 is probably the one most active on this sub-forum. As for everyone else, some might leave maybe 5 to 10 posts a month, while others don't post anything at all outside of the chat.

Regarding moderating a chat, it would take me several hours a day to monitor it properly. Do you really think any of the moderators have that kind of time or even want to spend it that way? 😕 But that's not really the point right now, because those chats aren't very productive anyway.
Like I've mentioned before, I think a themed chat would actually make sense.

Go ahead and open a themed chat, but personally, I think the US needs more of those off-topic spaces where lonely people can just hang out and talk about random stuff with like-minded folks.
Let's keep the main threads reserved for constructive discussions and actual problem-solving.
That's my philosophy on quality.
I don't know how you all define "quality," but it shouldn't be measured by raw post counts. My contribution of 10 posts a month still counts as being part of the community; I feel like my posts hit the mark, and I've never once been flagged or penalized for anything I've written in other threads.

mistywolf17 said:Then why don't you all participate so constructively on the subforum otherwise? Why don't you start interesting discussions there? Why do you choose to write all this in a somewhat closed chat meant for a specific group?

Because this chat is the only bright spot in the entire US compared to the endless whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice found elsewhere.
Because it’s through this very chat that many lonely hearts have connected and found companionship.
Because no newly lonely heart is going to head over to Offtopic to search for other lonely hearts.

That's why. Because for most of you, the US is just one big whining session and you're sick of it. You want a chat where you can talk about everything without anyone complaining or crying. But why would you even read or engage with those kinds of threads? Because those types of topics are what make up the subforum. I suppose most people can't handle reading them because they find it too depressing, so they'd rather just have cheerful chats. But maybe do that on a different subforum. On the US, it just doesn't make sense.

That chat wasn't closed to anyone, you're being incredibly biased and I have no idea why.🤷
If some people don't have the balls to jump into the chat, that's on them, isn't it?
But whoever did show up to the chat was greeted and welcomed.😉

I get that you can't keep up with the chat since you aren't getting paid to watch it, but why attack the users who were just trying to kick the spam out of there? Why wouldn't you let us moderate it ourselves if you clearly couldn't or wouldn't do it?
Does it really bother you that we don't participate in those other boring-ass threads? The chat is so damn interesting and covers so much ground with actual quality that we don't feel the need to read the same old recycled garbage for the millionth time.

Jessica Watson4 said:Not necessarily the only one—honestly, probably the best way to handle it. It’s actually superior to other methods because staying in constant communication with someone really helps you bridge that gap and get closer to them. That’s especially true when you're hanging out in this particular subforum.

I feel like everyone might be missing the forest for the trees here. Don't get me wrong, I totally get what you were trying to achieve with this move—the intention is solid—but honestly, shutting down the chat on a sub-forum like this? That feels like a massive misstep. It’s like taking away the water cooler in an office just because you want fewer distractions; you might get some focus, but you lose the soul of the community in the process.

Yeah, so what was stopping you guys from sharing them?
There would definitely be fewer of them around.
Honestly, getting all worked up just because someone asked you to moderate when the rest of the chat crew was actually looking for it? There’s really no more graceful way to brush those chatters off than by just letting them drift away on their own.

Yeah, but how exactly are you supposed to actually become friends just by hanging out in the comment sections?
So, here’s the deal: before I started interacting with Finger, I only ever hung out in specific threads. I couldn't stand the constant noise over on the main feed, so I stuck to writing constructive posts exclusively. In two whole years, I didn't get hit with a single warning or anything like that—my record was spotless. During that time, I actually managed to get to know two people quite well.
In just a single month of hanging out in the chat, I’ve actually managed to get to know about a dozen different people on a much deeper level!
Honestly, you guys don't need a chat here at all. Not one bit. This sub is specifically for lonely people looking for connection, and adding a live chat just ruins that whole vibe.
🤦

Regarding that last point—before I joined the chat, I had already put out about 200 posts, and honestly, every single one of them was constructive and actually stayed on topic. But looking back at the whole experience? It’s kind of funny, really. Despite all that interaction, who did I actually meet? Practically nobody.
I met a whole bunch of people on the chat!
Wait, I’m trying to wrap my head around this—where exactly is the logic in that? How is everyone supposed to actually get to know one another better through this?
It’s starting to drop on my end.
If my post count is getting on your nerves, feel free to just clear out the old chats. As far as I'm concerned, I'd much rather keep things low-key and stick to as few posts as possible.
If the spam in the chat is bothering you, then do your jobs and moderate it! Honestly, the only reason the chat has spiraled completely out of control is because you moderators haven't been doing your actual work—it’s really that simple.

So, now that you’ve gotten to know everyone in the group, what exactly is holding you back from jumping back into the conversation on the new chat?

Regarding that last point, I’ve personally contributed about 200 posts to the chat up to this point, and I’ve made it a point to ensure every single one was constructive and stayed strictly on topic. It’s funny, though—looking back at all those interactions, who have I actually gotten to know? Honestly, almost nobody.
I had the pleasure of meeting a whole bunch of wonderful people while hanging out in the chat.
I’ve been sitting here reflecting on our conversation, and I find myself wondering about the underlying logic behind your approach. How exactly do you envision people actually getting to know one another better through this process? I’d love to hear your thoughts on how that connection is supposed to truly take root.
It seems like things are starting to fall apart on my end.

Honestly, I hate to be the one to say it, but you really can't blame anyone else here—you're the one who brought this on yourself.

I have actually met quite a large number of people through topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the chat, including some wonderful connections made over on PMs as well.
I’ve always felt that there is a profound difference between someone who genuinely seeks out a connection and someone who simply happens to have an opening in their schedule. It is much more rewarding to invest your energy into getting to know someone who is actively pursuing you with intention, rather than just settling for whoever happens to be standing there when a window of opportunity opens up. In my experience, true chemistry flourishes when both people are leaning in, rather than one person just being available by chance.

Austin Chavez6 Asks:
So, I have to wonder, what was the whole point of opening this chat in the first place? Wasn't the original vision to clear out all that clutter and spam from the other threads, creating a dedicated space where people looking to connect could actually find one another? It’s just a reality of human nature that not everyone has the sheer nerve to slide into someone's DMs and lead with, "Hey, here is who I am, let's get to know each other." It can be quite intimidating, honestly.

It really was, and that's exactly why there’s this ongoing conversation about elevating the overall quality of our subforums. We're looking at a bit of a minor reform here. Honestly, I find myself wondering—what’s the logic behind us constantly finding ourselves repeating the exact same points over and over again? It feels like we could all benefit from moving past the repetitive loops.

Do you always try to get the conversation moving like this in every single thread? Since when did that become your thing?

Regarding the posts? 😁

Of course, I’m certainly not going to be the one to step in and announce, "Alright everyone, let's start chatting to get the discussion moving!" only for the whole group to immediately dive straight into their work. That kind of thing just doesn't happen that way. Real engagement happens naturally when people start responding to the main topic, perhaps throwing in a little Off topic commentary here and there—not because it was planned or targeted, but simply because good communication tends to spark itself once the conversation starts flowing.

So, I have to ask—why wasn't there any actual moderation happening in the chats, or even any effort to share those card packs? Do you honestly believe that the moderation duties on those channels were being handled with full accountability and diligence?

The topics in this chat are a bit more laid back than what you might find elsewhere, so you won't see people getting banned for the same kinds of things that would get you kicked off the other boards. It’s a much more relaxed environment here.

I personally jumped into the chat to handle the reports that I felt warranted a sanction if they were actually carried out. Since I wasn't hanging out in the chat for the most part, I wasn't really engaging in any active discussions, clearly. 😁 Consequently, that specific side of the moderation team wasn't really represented there.

So what about all the newcomers who are just looking to socialize? You mean someone feeling lonely is supposed to just scroll down to Off topic to find people to hang out and meet? Can't they just head over to the Lonely Hearts subforum instead?

Are you seriously trying to tell me you're worried about what happens to newcomers? Kaman.

They’ll find their ways to connect in other ways. 🙂

Prioritizing the quality of the subforum above everything else—bravo. As for everyone else, it's not our fault if you're lonely or unhappy; you'll just have to figure it out yourselves.

Oh, please, don't be so dramatic.

Brandon Castillo4 said:If threads are the only thing worth anything on the US, then why are you all so desperately trying to crawl into that mud pit?

Second off, I agree with you—there are way too many "I am a lonely bottom of the barrel" type threads. I remember a few weeks back there was this guy, David or whatever his name was; the guy spent a month of Jesus's time moping about how he'd never get over his ex, turning into nothing but song lyrics and posts ending in sad emojis.

In practice, it looked like this:

"Ivanna, come back. I can't do this without you. Life is just too hard, oh my angel.

😢 😢 😢 😢 😢"

And he did that roughly 8,921,891 times. 😁

Look, people tried to write back, try to discuss things, try to help the guy. And so did I. But he doesn't read; he just stays "😢".

So, we tried starting maybe 6 or 7 different threads to break that cycle, to breathe some life into the sub-forum with actual discussions. I've received about 40 PMoves total over the last month from people who are thrilled with the changes. Besides, they are actually contributing to the threads and having real discussions. Yeah, sure, we clashed a bit or didn't click right away, but the discussions have generally been top-tier.

We allowed for a little banter and some heavier debating; it wasn't just sterile mocking, and I think people actually enjoyed it. A lot of people. And that is the whole POINT of the US.

Your "point" is hanging out with 15 or 20 people. And again, I'm telling you, that's great, but you can still hang out—nobody closed or deleted that topic, the topic still EXISTS on the forum.

The fact that I personally prefer those kinds of topics to be over on DiK is a separate issue. I can't make that happen because the crew over at DiK, as mistywolf17 puts it, doesn't allow outside topics to bleed in.

Look, I already told you, we’re all just lonely souls who met and started hanging out specifically because of the US, and if the finger is the peak of the US, then every single one of us posting there is responsible for it; we built it ourselves, but now apparently we aren't pathetic enough for you. 😕

I'll say it again: newcomers can always jump in, and just because some of them are unmotivated or lazy doesn't mean the rest of us who were actually brave enough should be punished by being tossed to the bottom where no other brave, lonely soul will ever find us.

mistywolf17 said:I'm sorry, but most people don't really participate. In fact, Amanda James27 is probably the one most active on this sub-forum. As for everyone else, some might leave maybe 5 to 10 posts a month, while others don't post anything at all outside of the chat.

Regarding moderating a chat, it would take me several hours a day to monitor it properly. Do you really think any of the moderators have that kind of time or even want to spend it that way? 😕 But that's not really the point right now, because those chats aren't very productive anyway.
Like I've mentioned before, I think a themed chat would actually make sense.

Hey, I participate... or at least I did... whenever a thread actually caught my eye. But there aren't any lately. Right? You guys moderate such high-quality PDFs... that there isn't a single topic worth leaving a coherent comment on. And you know it too... if you didn't, you wouldn't tolerate those few brand-new threads that barely get any traction. In my humble opinion, they don't even belong on the US-ovac... but whatever. I'll just advocate for world peace and getting the chat back to the US.😁

Instead, moderators... just run a poll. Let people speak up about bringing back the thread—even if it's not because of some "high-quality, unique, unbiased" moderator staff. Yeah, let's see how highly your "agreements" actually rank.

mistywolf17 said:Then why don't you all participate so constructively on the subforum otherwise? Why don't you start interesting discussions there? Why do you choose to write all this in a somewhat closed chat meant for a specific group?

Because this chat is the only bright spot in the entire US compared to the endless whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice found elsewhere.
Because it’s through this very chat that many lonely hearts have connected and found companionship.
Because no newly lonely heart is going to head over to Offtopic to search for other lonely hearts.

That's why. Because for most of you, the US is just one big whining session and you're sick of it. You want a chat where you can talk about everything without anyone complaining or crying. But why would you even read or engage with those kinds of threads? Because those types of topics are what make up the subforum. I suppose most people can't handle reading them because they find it too depressing, so they'd rather just have cheerful chats. But maybe do that on a different subforum. On the US, it just doesn't make sense.

It’s not even really a closed clique... I mean, if a hundred times more people are reading a thread than actually posting in it, then tell me... there's plenty to read. At the same time, Jessica Watson4 already told you—you've got a pile of threads with up to 50 replies and, get this, only 62 views total.👍

brightridge59 said:So, now that you’ve gotten to know everyone in the group, what exactly is holding you back from jumping back into the conversation on the new chat?

Regarding that last point, I’ve personally contributed about 200 posts to the chat up to this point, and I’ve made it a point to ensure every single one was constructive and stayed strictly on topic. It’s funny, though—looking back at all those interactions, who have I actually gotten to know? Honestly, almost nobody.
I had the pleasure of meeting a whole bunch of wonderful people while hanging out in the chat.
I’ve been sitting here reflecting on our conversation, and I find myself wondering about the underlying logic behind your approach. How exactly do you envision people actually getting to know one another better through this process? I’d love to hear your thoughts on how that connection is supposed to truly take root.
It seems like things are starting to fall apart on my end.

Honestly, I hate to be the one to say it, but you really can't blame anyone else here—you're the one who brought this on yourself.

I have actually met quite a large number of people through topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the chat, including some wonderful connections made over on PMs as well.
I’ve always felt that there is a profound difference between someone who genuinely seeks out a connection and someone who simply happens to have an opening in their schedule. It is much more rewarding to invest your energy into getting to know someone who is actively pursuing you with intention, rather than just settling for whoever happens to be standing there when a window of opportunity opens up. In my experience, true chemistry flourishes when both people are leaning in, rather than one person just being available by chance.

Austin Chavez6 Asks:
So, I have to wonder, what was the whole point of opening this chat in the first place? Wasn't the original vision to clear out all that clutter and spam from the other threads, creating a dedicated space where people looking to connect could actually find one another? It’s just a reality of human nature that not everyone has the sheer nerve to slide into someone's DMs and lead with, "Hey, here is who I am, let's get to know each other." It can be quite intimidating, honestly.

It really was, and that's exactly why there’s this ongoing conversation about elevating the overall quality of our subforums. We're looking at a bit of a minor reform here. Honestly, I find myself wondering—what’s the logic behind us constantly finding ourselves repeating the exact same points over and over again? It feels like we could all benefit from moving past the repetitive loops.

Do you always try to get the conversation moving like this in every single thread? Since when did that become your thing?

Regarding the posts? 😁

Of course, I’m certainly not going to be the one to step in and announce, "Alright everyone, let's start chatting to get the discussion moving!" only for the whole group to immediately dive straight into their work. That kind of thing just doesn't happen that way. Real engagement happens naturally when people start responding to the main topic, perhaps throwing in a little Off topic commentary here and there—not because it was planned or targeted, but simply because good communication tends to spark itself once the conversation starts flowing.

So, I have to ask—why wasn't there any actual moderation happening in the chats, or even any effort to share those card packs? Do you honestly believe that the moderation duties on those channels were being handled with full accountability and diligence?

The topics in this chat are a bit more laid back than what you might find elsewhere, so you won't see people getting banned for the same kinds of things that would get you kicked off the other boards. It’s a much more relaxed environment here.

I personally jumped into the chat to handle the reports that I felt warranted a sanction if they were actually carried out. Since I wasn't hanging out in the chat for the most part, I wasn't really engaging in any active discussions, clearly. 😁 Consequently, that specific side of the moderation team wasn't really represented there.

So what about all the newcomers who are just looking to socialize? You mean someone feeling lonely is supposed to just scroll down to Off topic to find people to hang out and meet? Can't they just head over to the Lonely Hearts subforum instead?

Are you seriously trying to tell me you're worried about what happens to newcomers? Kaman.

They’ll find their ways to connect in other ways. 🙂

Prioritizing the quality of the subforum above everything else—bravo. As for everyone else, it's not our fault if you're lonely or unhappy; you'll just have to figure it out yourselves.

Oh, please, don't be so dramatic.

Honestly, nothing really—it just bugs me that there won't be a steady stream of new faces anymore, when there always used to be.
So, what was it about that specific chat that bothered you guys so much?
Was it too much work to moderate? I highly doubt it, since moderation there was basically non-existent anyway. Or was it the core group that was active 99% of the time?
Who exactly were they bothering?
At least they weren't causing any trouble in the other threads.
Your explanations feel 🙏

Solution 1: bring the chat back to the US, provided everyone agrees to tack on 🙂 and those other emojis at the very end of their posts.
😬

Jessica Watson4 said:Honestly, nothing really—it just bugs me that there won't be a steady stream of new faces anymore, when there always used to be.
So, what was it about that specific chat that bothered you guys so much?
Was it too much work to moderate? I highly doubt it, since moderation there was basically non-existent anyway. Or was it the core group that was active 99% of the time?
Who exactly were they bothering?
At least they weren't causing any trouble in the other threads.
Your explanations feel 🙏

The explanations they're giving are, like I said before, not just hilarious but straight-up moronic.🙄

fadedheron892 said:Brandon Castillo4, you and mistywolf17 clearly don't get that the Finger of Fate is way more than just some random chat.
Do you seriously think your little "Are you guys screwing me over better than this chat?" thread actually matters?
If you had actually dropped that nonsense about gold diggers and why people stay in toxic relationships right there in the main chat, believe me, you would have been flooded with actual quality, constructive feedback—and you probably would've even met someone in the process. So tell me, how much weight do you honestly give to an opinion from a total stranger on one of your own threads?

Why don't we want to be Off topic?

Because this chat is the one damn bright spot in all of America amidst a massive pile of whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice.
Because it's through this specific chat that so many lonely hearts have found each other and started hanging out.
Because no new lonely heart is ever going to wander into the Off topic section looking for other lonely hearts to connect with.

Don't be so narrow-minded. What about USPSD? That was a chat topic too, and it sparked everything from friendships and relationships to rivalries and just a whole spectrum of human interaction. Finger is relatively new, and sure, the topic is important and nice in its own way, but it’s not the most vital, the most beautiful, or some revolutionary breakthrough that changed the world.

I feel bad that the finger crowd is having such a hard time pivoting, but you aren't going to get anywhere like this. You're better off sticking to a topic that actually shows some potential.

Arthur Thomas said:Solution 1: bring the chat back to the US, provided everyone agrees to tack on 🙂 and those other emojis at the very end of their posts.
😬

Arthur Thomas, I have no clue why they were even tripping over the chat when they weren't moderating it anyway and clearly had nothing better to do.

darkheron6 said:Don't be so narrow-minded. What about USPSD? That was a chat topic too, and it sparked everything from friendships and relationships to rivalries and just a whole spectrum of human interaction. Finger is relatively new, and sure, the topic is important and nice in its own way, but it’s not the most vital, the most beautiful, or some revolutionary breakthrough that changed the world.

I feel bad that the finger crowd is having such a hard time pivoting, but you aren't going to get anywhere like this. You're better off sticking to a topic that actually shows some potential.

I met the crew from USPSD before Finger even existed, and they are awesome.🙏
But when you actually compare the chats, Finger is way higher quality because it covers all sorts of topics and issues—honestly, they aren't even in the same league.

darkheron6 said:Don't be so narrow-minded. What about USPSD? That was a chat topic too, and it sparked everything from friendships and relationships to rivalries and just a whole spectrum of human interaction. Finger is relatively new, and sure, the topic is important and nice in its own way, but it’s not the most vital, the most beautiful, or some revolutionary breakthrough that changed the world.

I feel bad that the finger crowd is having such a hard time pivoting, but you aren't going to get anywhere like this. You're better off sticking to a topic that actually shows some potential.

So USPSD isn't like one of those women-only threads? I think that's how they translated what the acronym USPSD stands for 🤔. That's the whole reason I never even bothered checking it out 🤷.

mistywolf17 said:Then why don't you all participate so constructively on the subforum otherwise? Why don't you start interesting discussions there? Why do you choose to write all this in a somewhat closed chat meant for a specific group?

Because this chat is the only bright spot in the entire US compared to the endless whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice found elsewhere.
Because it’s through this very chat that many lonely hearts have connected and found companionship.
Because no newly lonely heart is going to head over to Offtopic to search for other lonely hearts.

That's why. Because for most of you, the US is just one big whining session and you're sick of it. You want a chat where you can talk about everything without anyone complaining or crying. But why would you even read or engage with those kinds of threads? Because those types of topics are what make up the subforum. I suppose most people can't handle reading them because they find it too depressing, so they'd rather just have cheerful chats. But maybe do that on a different subforum. On the US, it just doesn't make sense.

Look, sorry, but all you're doing is proving you weren't actually present as moderators during the chat.
There was plenty of whining, crying, and venting. But through the format of the chat, you could actually help those people—and even help me personally. If someone mentioned feeling lonely and others started analyzing expectations, standards, or social anxiety, everyone would have been sanctioned for going off topic. Or do you think psychological support is somehow restricted for certain people?
The mess we're dealing with now isn't happening because the chat is pointless or "spamy" instead of being true to the US spirit; it's happening because you didn't do your jobs.
Honestly, I think your view of the chat is pretty narrow if you consider it nothing but pure spam. I wonder if other moderators on different forums feel the same way?
To be blunt, you allowed the US section—where I used to post way more often—to completely spiral by letting threads about random nonsense, song lyrics, or just whatever people felt like saying slide through. Is there any quality in that? And then, when the numbers started dropping, you looked around and pointed a finger at our activity as the sole reason.
The chat saw an insane spike in posts, but that happened precisely because you weren't moderating. Now that things have settled down and become more constructive, less spamy, and concise again, it's entirely thanks to us stepping up and doing your job—yet you want to dump it into Off topic.
It would have made much more sense if you had cleaned up the entire US section from all the mindless, low-quality threads first before coming for our activity in those specific discussions.
Anyone who actually followed the chat could see there are plenty of people contributing high-quality content to the whole PDF.
If you want to know why the US section turned into a disaster, I suggest you start by looking at your own area of responsibility.

fadedheron892 said:I met the crew from USPSD before Finger even existed, and they are awesome.🙏
But when you actually compare the chats, Finger is way higher quality because it covers all sorts of topics and issues—honestly, they aren't even in the same league.

Look, I’m not trying to compare them, but I really think it’s unfair to claim one is better than the other. It’s also wrong to say that any random topic that sparks a heated debate is somehow less valuable than the Finger. People can connect over just about anything—they can swap PMoves, build actual friendships, or even help each other solve real-life problems, all without ever touching the Finger, which you claim is the most helpful part of everything. There’s just no way to objectively measure it; you could argue this specific thread saved ten lives, while that other one saved fifty. It's impossible to quantify.

I'm just saying.