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mistybear4 said:Just because someone writes you're a jerk online doesn't mean it's actually true, right? ... 😉

http://cee.greenpeace.at/gpcee/pl/se...nc.php?id=1532

If Herbalife had anything to say about this official report, they would have spoken up ages ago—though their shake 😁 is already on the blacklist. But since your company never used GM soy anyway, I suppose it’s not really your concern...

a top-selling dietary product in Hong Kong has been banned in the US for containing a high level of genetically modified (GM) soya.

http://www.safe-food.org/-news/2000-04-16.html

So, why don't you send me a link proving I'm a jerk, then maybe we can get that removed from the schedule too... 😁

Megan Morales5 said:If Herbalife had any actual response to this official report, they would have broken their silence ages ago—it's specifically the 😁 shake that's on the blacklist. But since your company has never messed with GM soy, I suppose you don't have much to worry about.

And while we're at it, why don't you send me a link proving I'm a deviant so we can clear that off my schedule too?😁

I don't claim to have all the answers, but I’ve always appreciated this kind of dialogue—keeping things strictly to the facts... 🙂
The fact is, those "instant peach-mango drink" and "instant soup" items aren't classified as shakes, and there's no mention of soy in there, otherwise it would be noted just like in the other reports... 😁
Furthermore, the report states the product was pulled from the market immediately, though we can only speculate on how they actually caught it... 🙄

From what I gather, that specific shake is one of the most heavily regulated products on the planet, mainly because it's marketed as a meal replacement, which triggers some incredibly high standards...
I also know there was a massive uproar here in America regarding GM products, but every single item passed the strictest inspections and everything turned out fine... 🙂

Don't sweat it; it wasn't explicitly stated anywhere, it was just an assumption on my part... 😁

mistybear4 said:I’m not going out to inspect how soy is grown right now—maybe when I have more cash on hand. For now, I'll just focus on getting to know a Nobel laureate (Dr. Louis Ignarro) and spending some time in his orbit... 👍

Whoops! That guy works for the very pharmaceutical industry you despise!!! How are you ever going to stomach that??? You've probably already been converted by those Herbalife preachers by now...

And meet you? I know plenty of construction workers, thanks!

mistybear4 said:I don't always have all the most precise answers, but I actually appreciate this style of communication—sticking strictly to the facts... 🙂
And the fact is, those "instant peach-mango drinks" and "instant soups" aren't technically shakes, and they aren't dealing with soy in there (otherwise, it would be noted in the other reports)... 😁
Furthermore, it claims the product was pulled from shelves immediately, but we can only speculate on how something like that even gets flagged in the first place... 🙄

What I do know is that shake is one of the most heavily regulated products out there, mainly because it's labeled as a meal replacement, which means it has to meet incredibly high standards...
Similarly, I know there was a massive uproar over GM products back home in the States, and I know every single product passed the strictest inspections, and everything was fine... 🙂

Don't worry, it doesn't say that anywhere; that was just an assumption on my part... 😁

It’s a PDF document, and I really don't feel like messing around with copying and pasting stuff here, but—either you didn't read the whole thing or you're hoping I didn't either—it clearly states that it's specifically about soy (genetically modified), which is exactly what those Herbalife products contain. If those specific products were actually pulled from the market due to being harmful (though, morally speaking, a company selling "healthy" products shouldn't even allow such a thing to be created or sold as healthy!), you could easily back that up with a link.

So, how does it happen that a massive multi-national corporation (with more than enough cash to spare) manages to launch a genetically engineered product onto the market despite all that supposedly rigorous 😁 control, without "noticing" what they're actually selling?
That's all just nursery school talk. If you like this way of communicating so much, why don't you practice it yourself? While you're busy making assumptions, I'll stick to the official reports...

Frank Alvarez8 said:Oops, my bad—you actually work for that pharmaceutical industry you despise so much! How are you even going to stomach that? You've probably already been converted by those Herbalife preachers by now...

As for meeting you? I've dealt with enough contractors to last a lifetime, thanks!

Haha, my mistake, he’s actually part of the scientific research team at Herbalife, and he signed a lifetime contract because he finally "realized" what Herbalife is all about... 🙂

He basically took his Nobel Prize-winning research and funneled it into a single product designed to shield heart patients from heart attacks, which is hitting the US market later this year—and since cardiovascular disease accounts for nearly half of all deaths globally, once this goes mainstream, we're looking at a total health revolution... 🙂

http://www.weightlossline.com/heart/niteworks.html

Please, go ahead and find me another product endorsed by a Nobel laureate... 😕

mistybear4 said:Haha, my mistake. He’s actually part of the Herbalife scientific advisory team. He signed a lifetime contract because he finally "realized" what Herbalife is really about... 🙂

The guy worked for MERCK back when he was still sane. He helped them develop the analytical test for measuring blood NO levels—something that's been used as a routine screening in various US labs for five years now.😎

Megan Morales5 said:It’s a PDF document and I really don't feel like messing around with copying everything here, but—either you didn't read the whole thing or you're just hoping I didn't—it clearly states that we're talking about soy (genetically modified), which is exactly what those Herbalife products contain. If you want to claim those specific products were pulled from the market because they're harmful (though, honestly, a company selling "healthy" goods shouldn't even be allowed to create or sell something like that in the first place!), you can easily back that up with a link.

So, how does a massive multi-national corporation with more money than sense manage to dump a genetically engineered product onto the market despite all that supposedly strict 😁 oversight, and somehow "fail to notice" what they're actually selling?
It's all just fairy tales for children. If you enjoy that style of communication so much, why don't you go ahead and run the show yourself? While you're busy playing with assumptions, I'll stick to reading official reports.

I have no intention of getting into a back-and-forth with you over this; you interpret facts your way and I interpret them mine. I already gave you my answer regarding that case, and I honestly don't understand what you're trying to lecture me on now.

"it clearly states that we're talking about soy (genetically modified) and that's exactly what those Herbalife products contain"

Are you blind, or do you just need a new prescription? (Maybe grab some glasses.)
In that document, next to every product mentioned, it specifies exactly what the GM component is, whether it involves soy or not ("GM ingredient: GM soya"), whereas for the two products you brought up, it doesn't say that; instead, they explicitly state the fact that they were pulled from the market ("note: the produced announced in august 2004 that the company stopped producing this product").

Your argument centers on GM soy, which is irrelevant here and clearly stated in the report, so your point isn't actually accurate... though I suppose your "official reports" are quite something. 😁

PS: I'll respect any argument, but maybe learn how to actually interpret one first. 🙂

Frank Alvarez8 said:The guy actually worked at MERCK back when he was still thinking straight, helping them develop an analytical test to measure blood NO levels—something that’s been sitting in American labs as a routine screening for five years now.😎

Look, if you want to play the expert, go ahead and dig into it, but things have moved way past that in the last five years unless you think we're all standing still. 😕

But honestly, the most important thing is that you’re still clinging to your "sanity," though I suppose you might eventually decide he’s lost it too. 😁

mistybear4 said:Look, if you're the expert, go ahead and do your own research. But things have moved forward massively in the last five years—or do you really think they haven't? 😕

The main thing is that you still think you're the "sane" one here. Maybe you'll end up calling him crazy in the end? 😁

Ha, listen to you! Plenty of people end up losing their minds eventually.

I'm a chemist, so according to your logic, I don't know the first thing about chemistry.

I guess I'll just go buy a small excavator after work and jump into construction instead!!!😁 😁 😁

heeeeeey there...

it looks like my thread about eating healthy has somehow morphed into this endless, circular debate about fucking Herbalife and GM soy, so if you guys seriously have nothing better to talk about, why don't you just go start your own separate thread for all that?👎

mistybear4, look, I’m sure you’re a killer trader or whatever, but man, you are absolutely suffocating everyone with that preacher vibe and those mile-long posts; honestly, have you ever even heard of the concept of freedom of choice or having an opinion that isn't yours?

So, let me make this loud and clear: I am not interested in Herbalife!
My plan is to stick to actual, fresh, real food supplemented by some vitamins and minerals, not some instant protein crap coming out of plastic pouches and various other shake products.

Thanks for all the advice, I guess👋

"Have you ever actually heard the terms 'freedom of choice' or 'having a different opinion'?"

Of course I have, though lately it feels like I'm just standing my ground against those who seem to take offense whenever I exercise my own right to choose—especially when my views aren't built on nothing but hearsay and tired old prejudices... 🙂

"I plan on sticking to fresh, whole foods and just supplementing with some vitamins and minerals, rather than relying on processed protein powders from plastic pouches or other shake products."

That sounds great in theory, but let’s be real: we both know there isn't a single meal out there that packs in every single vitamin and mineral you need in the right amounts... that's just a biological fact.
And if you're already looking to supplement, you might as well go with 100% natural proteins—not that I'm trying to sell you anything—but synthetic stuff just doesn't carry the same punch as the real thing. 🙂

PS: My offer to run a free analysis of your body composition and metabolism is still on the table, regardless of which vitamins you settle on or how you decide to manage your daily calories... I'll provide the necessary charts with lists of "standard" foods so you can mix and match however you like. 🙂

mistybear4 said:1. He signed a lifetime deal because he finally "realized" what Herbalife is actually about... 🙂

2. He took his Nobel Prize-winning research and baked it into a single product designed to protect heart patients from heart attacks—a product hitting the US market this year. Given that cardiovascular disease accounts for nearly half of all deaths globally, once this scales up, we’re looking at a genuine health revolution... 🙂

http://www.weightlossline.com/heart/niteworks.html

3. Please, just go ahead and find me any other product endorsed by a Nobel laureate... 😕

1. He figured out where the money is.

2. So, did he stumble upon the magic formula to take down fast food chains?

3. Nobel laureates used to be less easily bought, I suppose. There are still some hiding behind specific brands, but they're smarter about it—they don't expose themselves so directly because they don't want to torch their scientific credibility...

I have no intention of getting into a back-and-forth argument with you over this.

It’s funny how whenever you can't answer my questions—like how a product passes inspections here when other countries refuse to sell it for the exact reasons I'm pointing out—you pivot to bickering instead of actually debating.

In March, the US FDA found up to 40 per cent of the soya in Herbalife's protein drink mix had been modified. "Hong Kong has been banned in the US for containing" gene-modified substances, according to reports. "We have banned the food on the fact that it contains gene-modified substance," said Dr. Dag Lillehaug, an adviser to the authority. "Under US regulations, all gene-modified foodstuffs must get prior approval before being sold."
(That's the part I linked to, the one you claim doesn't contain soy.)

Great, but you still have to realize there is no such thing as a single food that provides every necessary vitamin and mineral in sufficient quantities... that's just a fact.

Wrong again. If you're asking who can actually afford it, the answer is organic foods—which is currently a massive trend, if we're sticking to our previous discussion about trends...

"1. He finally realized where the money is hidden "

It’s honestly kind of funny watching you; for guys like him, cash isn't really the point, they live for the research, for the science... they've basically spent their entire lives just trying to make sure your parents don't drop dead from a heart attack one day... you should be embarrassed.. 😠

"2. So what, he discovered the secret formula to ban fast food? "

You clearly know how to navigate the web, so maybe put in a little more effort and dig through those links I served up on a silver platter... or just branch out on your own..

"3. Nobel laureates used to be less corruptible, though there are still plenty hiding behind certain brands today; they're just smarter about it, avoiding the spotlight so they don't wreck their scientific credibility"

People in the rest of the world don't spend their time obsessing over the local cynicism we deal with here, and frankly, your comments just prove you're stuck in that same mindset.. 🙂

At the end of the day, you're hunting for an answer I truly don't have, mostly because I haven't been in a position to witness all of this firsthand, but if you actually want to grasp the gravity of the whole situation, take a look at:

http://groups.msn.com/TheHealthyPlan...andasthma.msnw

mistybear4 said:"1. he figured out where the money is"

but you're being ridiculous... for people like him, money isn't the point—it never was. they live for the research, for the science... they've dedicated their entire lives to making sure your parents don't drop dead from a heart attack one day... honestly, have some shame... 😠

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This level of conversation is just getting pointless now. Don't bring my parents into this—you clearly don't know anything about them. Consider this a warning.

Megan Morales5 said:There’s honestly no point in continuing this conversation at this level. Don't bring my parents into this because you clearly don't know anything about them, so just take this as a warning.

I didn't mean any harm, but I think you're completely missing the point here; you're attacking someone without any real basis and dismissing scientific research that could actually help millions just to cling to your own unfounded beliefs... though maybe one day that bit of knowledge will actually come in handy for you, or someone you care about. 😠 😕

Just a quick thought..
Soy doesn't actually pack all nine essential amino acids. Sure, you get those sulfur-containing ones—methionine and cysteine—but that's about it. So... unless it's been genetically modified to be "complete," what are we even talking about? 🙂

nimblesurfer20 said:Just a quick thought..
soy doesn't actually contain all nine essential amino acids—it’s missing those sulfur-containing ones like methionine and cysteine—so it really needs to be modified to be considered complete. 🙂

😕

It's an interesting point, and if that's true, it would explain why those specific protein shakes include whey; they're probably just patching that deficiency you mentioned, though that's just my own cynical way of connecting the dots. I always prefer to verify things for myself, so I'll probably dig into this a bit deeper this time around. 🙂

mistybear4 said:It’s an interesting thought... if this turns out to be true, it actually makes sense why those shakes include some whey protein—maybe they're trying to fill that gap you mentioned. But honestly, that's just me overthinking things... I always have to double-check everything, so I think I'll go ahead and look into it myself this time.. 🙂

So, soy shakes? Are we talking fermented or non-fermented soy here? And is it GM soy or non-GM?

dustycanyon6 said:Soy shakes?

Are we talking about fermented or unfermented soy here?

And is it GM soy or non-GM?

- it’s not really that they are shakes "made of soy," but rather that soy proteins are a primary ingredient—alongside a whole laundry list of other stuff—that makes them qualify as a "meal replacement" in the first place... which, let's face it, is a lot of filler. 🙂

- honestly, I don't know much about how soy is actually farmed... 😕
to be fair, I don't have an answer for that second question either, though I suppose I should go digging for some expert explanations just to satisfy the "enthusiasm" of everyone lurking here. 😁

- as for "non-GM soy"—I'd bet my life on it... 😎 (otherwise, there's no way they'd pass the strict testing and oversight we have here in the US after all those massive GMO scandals).

mistybear4 said:Look, I wasn't trying to be malicious, but I think you're completely missing the point here—you’re attacking someone without any actual basis. You're dismissing scientific research that could potentially help millions just to cling to a personal belief that isn't grounded in anything either... and who knows, maybe one day that conviction will actually serve you well in life (or help someone you actually care about)... 😠 😕

I gave you fair warning. Don't bring my loved ones into a conversation like this. Since you clearly don't have a sense of where decency ends and being obnoxious begins, I guess someone else has to spell it out for you.

MODERATORS, seriously, why is this still allowed on the boards??????