Food and Wellness

mistybear4 said:it’s not about whether she knows what she’s talking about or not; the main thing is that I can get behind this... 😁

"To cut calories: PRZITE, bake, or grill."

this is actually true, since meat that's been grilled or charred loses—well, melts off—that heavy outer fat layer (plus you aren't drowning it in oil or lard) ... though maybe you have a thing for fried food? .. 😁

I'll admit, I'm no gourmet chef, but I definitely enjoy a good meal ... 🙂

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I think the confusion stems from the word PRZITE.
What exactly do you mean by frying?
Are we talking about pan-frying in oil? (which is how most people would define it).

THE TRADITIONAL DIETARY BLUEPRINT: DAILY INTAKE GUIDELINES

1. FRUIT AND VEGETABLES = 5 to 9 servings
2. GRAINS (bread, rice, pasta...) = 6 to 10 servings
3. CALCIUM-RICH MEALS = 3 to 5 servings (adults)
(milk, cheese, yogurt...) 5 to 7 servings (children)

The old-school nutritionists claim we should be eating like this every single day.

Not only would that eat up your entire life just prepping meals, but the calorie count alone would be exhausting.

REMEMBER:
EXCESS FAT AND CHRONIC STRESS ARE THE TWO BIGGEST THREATS TO OUR HEALTH AND LONGEVITY!

CHRONIC STRESS:
Back pain, headaches, snapping at your kids—all of this eventually wreaks havoc on your circulatory system, your vessels, and your blood pressure.

If we already know that ANGER AND WRATH directly sabotage OUR HEALTH—try to break the cycle.

The way out is simple: JUST SMILE.

A smile isn't just psychological; it actually helps PHYSIOLOGICALLY by affecting the brain and your blood vessels.
Even a forced, fake smile does something.
Every smile burns about 2 calories.
And when you smile, people tend to smile back.

Nutritional components (ingredients) that IMPACT STRESS:

VITAMIN B: It feeds the nervous system. Stress, unfortunately, drains B vitamins.

PLANT FIBER: Essential for digestion and preventing constipation.

PROTEINS:
- They require 9 ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS.
- How much protein do you actually need daily?
General recommendation: 1 g per kg of body weight (for a sedentary lifestyle)
up to 2 g per kg of body weight (for athletes)

But it needs to be pure protein; most cuts of meat carry at least 25% fat.

MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING ENOUGH PROTEIN!

And those who do get it are usually consuming poor-quality proteins, which is what most modern food offers.

High-quality proteins must meet three specific criteria:
They contain:
1. ALL NINE ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS
2. Zero or minimal CHOLESTEROL
3. Zero or minimal SATURATED FATTY ACIDS

That is ONLY SOY! Soy is the only one that hits all three marks.

It’s good for everyone. Getting some of those proteins (soy) once a day is a smart move for anyone.

Nowadays, fast-food is everywhere. For people running on empty, it seems like the easy fix.
But fast-food is loaded with excess fat (cholesterol and saturated fats), too many calories, salt, and sugar (in the bread)—while lacking plant fiber, vitamins, minerals, trace elements, and Phytochemicals.

Phytochemicals are the science of today. It studies the chemical reactions occurring within plants and how they interact with our cells when we consume them. It's essentially the study of traditional herbal wisdom through a modern lens.

We all try to eat well. But let's be real—we don't have total control. We're stuck buying whatever is available on the shelves, and most of us are perpetually short on time.

When we buy groceries and cook them at home, we often end up stripping away the nutritional value, even though we really ought to be eating things as fresh and raw as possible.
For instance, if fruit sits in your kitchen for just one day, it can lose up to 80% of its vitamin content.

Ask yourself: Is our food
- FRESH?
- NUTRIENT-DENSE?
- HIGH IN FIBER?

Most people don't even realize how much their diet is wrecking them.
A car won't run without fuel. A car with bad fuel won't run well.
And food is your fuel.

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1. Regarding that cheese dough, I realized the cheese basically acts as the leavening agent, so the whole recipe felt totally nonsensical to me...🙂

2. Listen, mistybear4, you've been spamming us hard enough with those ads on other threads and forums to actually learn something! We all know what this is. We know exactly where this leads... straight to Wellness !!!🙏

3. This space is supposed to be about specific foods and how they affect the body (so people can actually learn the basics)! This propaganda stuff is super light on actual info, way too much advertising, and just takes up too much room on this forum!👎

4. Seriously, is there even a moderator lurking around here somewhere...🙄

censorship ... 🙂

Walter Wilson said:1. Regarding that cheese dough, I realized the cheese actually acts as a leavening agent, which made the whole thing feel a bit nonsensical to me...🙂

2. Dear mistybear4, ....

it seems like those leavening agents have you a bit turned around, and now I've gone and become dear to you too? .. 😎 ... I figured as much .... 😁

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Walter Wilson said:He’s not an engineer, he’s a doctor—by trade, at least... You don't have to be some kind of genius, there’s always a chance you just don't know something...

Look, listen... regarding that whole sugar chemistry thing I was rambling about? I honestly know more about that than your doctor does. I mean, damn, this is my actual job 🙂

mistybear4, maybe you could explain that part about the transfer process too?👋

mistybear4 said:...

It’s wild how many people don't even realize they're running on empty just because of their diet.
An empty gas tank won't move a car, and putting low-grade sludge in the tank isn't going to get you very far either.
Food is fuel, plain and simple.

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Oh, mistybear4, you're hilarious—you sound like one of those dietary preachers you see in American movies, wandering through small towns with a megaphone and a mission. 😂
I mean, most of what you're saying makes sense, even if you deliver it with that specific brand of sarcasm.
That said, I have to push back on your idea that people aren't getting enough protein; in developed countries like the US, it's actually the exact opposite, as most people are absolutely loaded with protein and fats since their diets are so heavily meat-based.

Look, Walter Wilson, if you want this conversation to actually go somewhere, try asking a specific question instead of just making broad statements. I honestly wouldn't even know where to start responding if you don't give me a target. 😕

Joseph Lee3 said:Oh, Mac, you’re being hilarious, acting like one of those dietary preachers you see in old movies, traveling in some beat-up trailer and shouting into a microphone. 😂
I mean, most of what you say is actually spot on, even if you deliver it with that particular sense of humor.
However, I have to disagree with your claim that people aren't getting enough protein these days; in developed nations like the US, it's actually quite the opposite. People's bodies are absolutely loaded with proteins and fats because everything they eat is derived from meat and animal products.

Haha, I guess I just try to break all this down using plain, everyday language... 🙂

protein = proteins
proteins = amino acids (23)
essential = 9 (the body can't make them, so we have to get them from food)
all 9 essential amino acids = meat, eggs, whey, soy
meat = high in fat (the kind you don't need, or rather, the harmful kind)
eggs = high cholesterol—the yolk (unnecessary and harmful), so sticking to egg whites is fine
soy protein = 0 cholesterol, 0 fat—BINGO !!!

The body needs protein, and requirements are calculated based on BMI... and about 1/3 of that number should come from plant-based proteins. 🙂

Honestly, the smartest thing you can do for your health is to swap out your protein source (meat, dairy, or eggs) for soy protein at least once a day; your body will end up with less cholesterol and saturated fat, and more pure, high-quality protein.

Proteins exist to maintain muscle mass. It is vital to hold onto that muscle as you age. Just look at people in their 70s or 80s—they're often thin, hunched over, and struggling to move. If you lose your muscle mass, carrying your own skeleton becomes an uphill battle.

Everyone knows about osteoporosis, which gets talked about constantly, but pretty soon you'll be hearing a new term: SARCOPENIA—the loss of muscle mass.

The culprits? TOO LITTLE PROTEIN AND NOT ENOUGH MOVEMENT. 😢

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Anthony Rodriguez58 said:mistybear4, can you explain the whole searing thing too?👋

I honestly don't know, I'm no culinary expert and I was just following a recipe, but my takeaway seems to be that if you're cooking meat, you might as well throw it on the grill instead of using a skillet... though if you do use a pan, it’s probably better to just sear it quickly rather than letting it simmer away.🙂

Am I supposed to formulate the question myself?! There aren't even questions here, just endless threads! I’ve already explained twice how I see things, but it’s useless... because wherever Mac shows up, nothing good grows (go check out the allergy threads, seriously!!!). All you're left with is the wreckage from a tank called Wellness!!!🤮

When we're talking about "frying" meat on a grill—or rather, searing it in its own fat—you might end up consuming less total grease, but you're still getting all those nasty carcinogens created by frying, plus the charring effect from the grill. At least that's my amateur take... 🙂

And don't even get me started on cholesterol and eggs. It's just another "hocus pocus" way to manipulate gullible, sick people. Ever since they "cracked the code," some people turn these foods into Hollywood dietary superstars, while others demonize them! They claim eggs are toxic, only for it to come out later that the whole thing was just hype built on a massive misconception! As it turns out, eggs don't even have nearly as much cholesterol as fried meat or heavy dairy products. 🙂

For example, they push this narrative that C-vitamin is some kind of magic bullet (sure, it's helpful for certain things, but it's not the elixir of life!) and claim you can't have too much because your body just flushes it out. That's what the salespeople tell you so they can peddle it alongside some overpriced "miracle supplement" to drive up the price, since plain old C-vitamin is cheap. Then you find out you shouldn't overdo it either, especially if you've dealt with kidney stones... which happened to me. Plus, you have to take it in buffered tablets so you don't end up with a stomach ulcer from the acidity! Honestly, when food or supplements are put on a pedestal or totally vilified just for marketing reasons, logic goes right out the window... it's always extremes!🙂

But hey, keep listening to those "preachers"... Their only goal is to grab your cash, and they don't care how they do it (they even promised to stop spamming the allergy topic because everyone asked, yet he just doubled down and keeps bombarding us with that junk)!
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I’m calling on all the experienced nutritionists and biochemists out there to jump into this amateur debate. Look, the whole point is for us to actually learn something. We need to swap knowledge and experiences and then let the pros vet everything... so we aren't stuck wasting our lives in doctor's waiting rooms!🙂

mistybear4 said:When people talk about protein, they’re really just talking about those twenty-three amino acids that make up the whole deal.

Well, I'm 22, but let's just move past that.

mistybear4 said:There are nine essential nutrients out there that our bodies just aren't wired to manufacture on their own, which basically means we’re stuck sourcing them entirely through what we eat.

It’s like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole; you’re looking at an 8 when the standard really calls for a 9.

mistybear4 said:Proteins are obviously non-negotiable if you want your body to actually function, and while most people just wing it, a more calculated approach involves basing your intake on your BMI—though I’d suggest taking about a third of that final number and sourcing it strictly from plant-based proteins. 🙂

I don't remember studying this kind of math back in college. Could someone point me toward a legitimate reference? And please, let’s avoid any "fitness influencer" types peddling nonsense. 😁

Walter Wilson said:When it comes to the whole egg and cholesterol debate, we're really just looking at another one of those "magic trick" schemes used to mislead gullible, sick people. Ever since they debunked the old myths, certain gurus have turned this into a Hollywood-style dietary scandal, painting eggs as the villain compared to some other superfood. They declare eggs are toxic, only for everyone to realize later that the whole thing was just hype built on a shaky assumption. It turns out eggs don't even come close to the cholesterol levels you'd find in a greasy steak or heavy dairy products. 🙂

per 100g:
eggs=roughly 400 mg cholesterol
milk=roughly 10 mg cholesterol
veal

generally speaking, saturated fats are much more dangerous for heart disease than cholesterol alone, but when you combine the two, that's where the real trouble starts.

Look, I'm not trying to start an argument since you clearly know your stuff 😁, but I gotta share what I've heard... I read somewhere that they basically debunked that whole egg and cholesterol theory, though I can't quite remember the actual math behind it...

But maybe we should look at this differently. When you're comparing cholesterol levels in different foods, aren't you looking at the percentage per weight? Even if eggs have more cholesterol, nobody sits down and eats eggs in the same quantities as meat or milk... Like, how many grams is an average egg anyway—maybe 30?

Also, you're comparing them to milk and veal, right? But don't forget that people go way heavier on high-fat dairy like cheeses—which are blowing up everywhere lately—and even pork (at least here in the States😉)!

Speaking of those (un)saturated fats, give us some pointers. What's the absolute worst stuff to stay away from?

Thanks.👋

Walter Wilson said:Still, we might need to look at this differently. When comparing cholesterol levels in different foods, aren't we talking about percentages per equal weight? Even if eggs have more cholesterol, you're never going to eat them in the same volume you'd consume steak or milk... I mean, an average egg is what, maybe 50 grams?

You've got a point there. People generally don't polish off eggs at the same rate they graze on meat, plus the cholesterol is tucked away strictly in the yolk... it really comes down to the old rule of thumb: moderation is key when dealing with stuff that can mess with your health. With most fruits and veggies, though—that's not an issue; you can't really overdo it to the point of physical pain.

Walter Wilson said:Secondly, you're comparing it to milk and veal, if I'm not mistaken, but keep in mind that high-fat dairy products—like cheeses, especially those artisanal varieties blowing up lately—as well as pork (at least here in the States)😉!

When it comes to these saturated fats, could you give us a bit of guidance? What should we be avoiding most?
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Well, that was just a comparison. Different cuts of meat carry different amounts of cholesterol. Generally speaking, cholesterol is found exclusively in animal products; by definition, plants and vegetable oils don't have it. Instead, they contain plant-based compounds called Phytochemicals that are actually quite beneficial. Cholesterol isn't an essential nutrient—our livers produce just enough so we don't even need to eat it. In itself, cholesterol isn't the enemy. Health issues usually stem from a long-term imbalance, whether you're getting too much or too little of certain things. Stress plays a massive role too; honestly, most ailments have a psychosomatic component.
As for saturated fats, they're mostly concentrated in animal products: milk, meat, and eggs. And those are the only foods containing that undesirable cholesterol. The biggest culprits are red meats: pork, beef, etc. The standard advice is to minimize meat consumption and processed meat products as much as possible. If you can cut them out entirely, even better.😲

"well, 22, but whatever" ... 👍

I think it’s somewhere in the 21-23 range, though I couldn't tell you for certain if you put me on the spot.. 😉

"actually, 8, maybe 9 for infants"

I’ve always just been a big kid at heart, so don't hold it against me.. 😁

"Wait, was this not part of my college curriculum? That's an interesting calculation—any chance you have a reference? Just please tell me it isn't some superficial fitness influencer."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...97417?v=glance

http://www.mbcrc.med.ucla.edu/MemberBios/MmbrHeber.htm

After twenty years of research over at UCLA, they stumbled upon some pretty compelling findings where dietary protein takes center stage.. honestly, applying this in the real world has already yielded incredible results regarding how things "shape works," which means guys like us—construction workers, electricians, mechanics, or even mail carriers—can probably run a better "body composition and metabolism analysis" following Dr. David Heber's methods than most tenured professors ever could... 😁 😁 😁

Give this book a read; I'm actually curious to hear what you think about it.. 🙂

I honestly doubt I’ll pick this book up, mostly because my schedule is a mess and, frankly, I have zero interest in coddling various whining kids.
The whole concept behind calorie-deficit dieting is pretty straightforward: just burn more than you consume. Eat plenty of fruits and veggies, stay active, and call it a day. Everything else is just fluff designed to either nudge the general public toward a structured plan—given how many dangerous fad diets like Atkins have popped up in the past—or to help authors line their pockets quickly.
Looking at the reviews online, there is one thing about this book I actually appreciate: the emphasis on produce. However, the idea of swapping out wholesome, real meals for shakes is total bullshit. It doesn't build lasting nutritional habits; it's a double-edged sword at best. Also, I’m struggling to see how you can determine body composition using BMI. That’s arguably the biggest flaw in nutrition science—relying on a single number that misrepresents what a person actually looks like. Anyone with half a brain knows that a 200-pound elderly woman isn't built the same way as a 200-pound cyclist or a powerlifter. Since BMI is calculated using nothing but weight and height, it misses the mark entirely. Maybe if I read the book it would make more sense, but that’s just not my style.
I prefer natural, foundational approaches that tackle problems at the source. For instance, children should learn healthy eating habits from the ground up, rather than being fed shakes twice a day—something I certainly wouldn't do. Shakes might serve a purpose as a supplement for specific groups or certain circumstances, but they shouldn't be a meal replacement, especially not long-term, because it creates this false illusion of what actual healthy eating looks like.

"I honestly doubt I'll pick this book up; I just have no patience for lecturing children about their behavior,"

The word diet actually implies controlled intake, which could mean anything from calorie counting to the conscious decision to swap out pork for fish or chicken... and that kind of self-regulation is already a step in the right direction.

"The logic behind reductive diets is pretty blunt: just consume fewer calories than you burn."

Around here, people tend to equate dieting solely with calorie restriction—basically starving the body—rather than managing nutrient density, which is the mandatory daily requirement. That’s really the fundamental distinction. 😎

"It's mostly down to how much these plans actually help the general public stick to a regimen—especially since we've seen some disastrously unhealthy ones like Atkins—versus how much they just line the pockets of authors looking for a quick buck."

Atkins had a decent core concept, but he couldn't make it work in practice because he neglected essential vitamins and minerals, and he should have swapped out animal proteins, which are heavy on fats, for plant-based options like soy. In the end, he ended up looking quite pathetic himself, carrying quite a bit of extra weight. 👎
Dr. David Heber is the director of the human nutrition center at UCLA, for instance, and his book managed to hit the top ten bestsellers list here in the States. 🙂

"Looking through the reviews on Amazon, one thing I do appreciate about this book is the emphasis on fruits and vegetables."

The underlying philosophy is basically to get as much color on your plate as possible. 🙂

"Another thing that misses the mark for me is replacing wholesome, whole meals with shakes. It's total bullshit; it doesn't build lasting healthy habits, it's more like a double-edged sword."

1.) Bad eating habits are notoriously difficult to break, usually requiring about six to eight weeks of consistency. Since 95% of people lack the willpower to change everything overnight, they need to see visible results during that window to stay motivated to keep going.
2.) About half of the population skips breakfast for all sorts of reasons, mostly due to laziness or being rushed, but if you can prep a meal in thirty seconds, there really isn't an excuse left.
3.) One of the main goals of establishing healthy habits is meal consistency—aiming for at least three balanced meals a day. This way, even the most unmotivated people can find some semblance of discipline.
4.) My final and most important point is the security of knowing that in a single meal, you've ingested all your micro-nutrients—vitamins, minerals, fiber, enzymes—and macro-nutrients in the most ideal proportions. That balance is everything.

"I'm also confused about how you can determine body composition from BMI. That seems to be one of the biggest pitfalls in nutrition; the Body Mass Index provides a number that is fundamentally misleading regarding actual body shape. Anyone can see that a 200-pound elderly woman is not the same as a 200-pound cyclist or a powerlifter."

You're right; BMI is just a ratio of height to weight. But the real issue isn't the BMI itself, it's the protein factor. I agree it won't be 100% accurate, but you have to start somewhere.
That elderly woman likely suffers from sarcopenia, or muscle wasting, and she desperately needs protein to stabilize her health so her body doesn't start scavenging its own remaining muscle mass to feed vital organs like the heart, liver, or kidneys. Meanwhile, a weightlifter needs protein to repair the muscle tissue broken down during training. Protein requirements scale entirely based on individual composition, activity type, and specific physiological needs.

"I’ve always had a soft spot for natural, foundational processes that tackle problems at their source; it reminds me of how you teach a child the right way to do things from day one, whereas I know for a fact they wouldn't touch these shakes twice a day if they had any sense.

Kids tend to love shakes, but when you're looking at building up a young body and a solid immune system, you need substance... just ask my friends with kids who seem to have never even heard of a common cold or the flu because they stay perfectly healthy. 🙂

"Shakes might serve as a supplement for specific situations or certain groups, but they shouldn't be replacing actual meals, especially not over the long term, because it just creates this false sense of security regarding what actual healthy eating looks like."

Real, balanced nutrition should be a daily staple, three times a day, every single day... honestly, can anyone give me even one single example of a person out there who actually sticks to that strictly? 😕 😉

Ugh, give me a break... I’m getting a headache just reading these massive rants... just a bunch of obvious stuff mixed with pure amateur nonsense!

First off, a shake is never a meal replacement. Not only can some processed sludge never replicate what nature actually provides, but if you get your gut used to that crap, you won't even be able to digest real food properly later on... it'll be a disaster!...

Second, who told you that your plate needs to be some rainbow of colors?!? You shouldn't even be eating two types of veggies at once, let alone mixing veggies, bread, and meat... Every single food item has its own digestion time, so you should be eating them sequentially, not all at once. And don't even get me started on mixing different protein sources; like eating beans and steak together, or soy and mushrooms...

And for heaven's sake, keep your posts short, nobody's reading all that online!