Homeopathy: Yay or Nay?

shadowfalcon33: ...all of this might not be about homeopathy at all, but something else entirely...

hiddenviper9:
I’m with you on that.
What if we don't even exist? What if we're just living through a total simulation and honestly believe it's real?
Maybe Earth is actually just a flat plane and our perspective is what makes it look round.
And maybe every image of a sphere in deep space was just simulated to look that way.

For all we know, the Sun center of the universe might actually be true.

Besides, maybe all those homeopathic remedies are actually toxins—but we can't really tell since the doses are so tiny.
And who knows? Maybe we would all live healthy, eternal lives if the atmosphere wasn't filled with the homeopathic "stench" coming from those medicinal (or as you call them, "healing") herbs.

Or maybe............................................. ..???

Anyway, I'll keep trusting these potentially toxic preparations for another 40 years or so. You? Do whatever you think is best.

hiddenviper9 said:Look, I’ll probably spend the next forty years putting my faith in those potentially toxic products if that's what it takes, but hey—you do you.

And there you have it—you've hit the nail right on the head! This isn't about whether you or I choose to believe in something. It’s about what we can actually prove!

shadowfalcon33: It isn’t about what you or I personally believe. It’s about what we can actually prove!

So, here’s the deal: I’ll let the next 40 years of my life be the proof that homeopathy helps people live longer, while you can spend yours proving that pharmaceutical products just shorten a lifespan. 😉

hiddenviper9 said:shadowfalcon33: It isn’t about what you or I personally believe. It’s about what we can actually prove!

Well, my next 40 years of life will serve as proof that homeopathy helps people achieve longevity, while you'll end up proving that people live shorter lives because they rely on pharmaceutical products. 😉

I don't need to prove anything regarding pharmaceuticals. Others have already done that work for me.

As for your "40 years"—that isn't evidence. That is precisely the issue with homeopathy: a total lack of valid proof.

shadowfalcon33: I don't feel the need to prove anything regarding pharmaceutical products. Others have already laid the groundwork for me... God spares the simple souls (who seem to pass away so young!).

😁 😁

I think there was a slight misunderstanding here. To be clear, medications are actually helpful in many different conditions and effectively extend life expectancy.

shadowfalcon33 said:I think we had a bit of a misunderstanding here. My point was simply that medications assist in numerous conditions, which effectively extends life expectancy.

Of course, there’s a reason why life expectancy has essentially doubled today, despite the reality of global pollution. If modern medicine had been available a few centuries ago, people might have lived even longer...

And then there is that little matter regarding Hahnemann—the founder of that "pseudo-science" known as homeopathy.

Since Avogadro established the fundamental properties of matter back in 1811—thereby proving that homeopathic solutions contain absolutely no active substances whatsoever—Hahnemann had to scramble to escape that logical dead end by concocting the idea of "water memory." Essentially, even when there is zero active substance present, the water supposedly "remembers" that the substance was once there; and according to their logic, the more "faint" this memory becomes, the more potent the solution is...

Perhaps poor Hahnemann thought that combining two such absurdities would somehow cancel each other out to produce one valid hypothesis? Who knows...

I suppose hiddenviper9 could enlighten us further on this supposed "water memory"—a concept that no homeopath has ever actually proposed as a legitimate hypothesis, let alone proven...

Maria Bennett2: hiddenviper9 could maybe shed some light on this whole "water memory" thing? I don't think any homeopath has ever even suggested it as a hypothesis, let alone proven it...

hiddenviper9:
Listen, smart guy, I don't need to explain water memory to you—because scientists in Japan already did the talking.
"It was a sensational discovery by Japanese researchers following twelve years of lab work.
- Water actually reacts; it even stores feelings and external information within its 'memory,' says Masaru Emoto, president of the Japan General Research Institute.
Emoto and his team filled small vials with water while playing various types of music.
They froze the water at -4 degrees Fahrenheit and photographed the ice crystals under magnification of 200 to 500 times.
The result? The crystals from water that 'listened' to classical or spiritual music formed beautiful, symmetrical structures, while heavy metal left behind nothing but chaos and decay.
Water even responds to words. For instance, the word 'thank you' produces delicate, intricate crystals, whereas a threat results in shattered, broken shapes."

All I'm saying is that everything we think creates memory.
If you don't believe me, just ask your son—he'd know.

And regarding this:
Of course, life expectancy hasn't doubled for no reason.
I'm just telling you, you've fallen hook, line, and sinker for those fairy tales some mainstream doctors love to spout.
And naive people fall for them too, forgetting that plenty of folks today inherited houses and apartments. They don't have to struggle just to afford basic needs, they aren't walking through freezing rain and snow just to get to work, and they generally eat much better than those whose lifespans were incredibly short just a few decades ago.
Besides, in places where the standard of living hasn't reached high levels, people still pass away much earlier than they did just a few decades back.

Maria Bennett2 said:Do you guys actually believe this alternative way of healing works?

Hell yeah I do!

hiddenviper9 said:The naive ones fall for it—they've forgotten that plenty of people today have inherited houses and apartments. This means they don't have to "scrape by" just to maintain a decent standard of living (like not having to trek through freezing rain and snow just to get to work), and they generally eat better than those whose lifespans were incredibly short just a few decades ago.
Besides, in places where the standard of living hasn't reached a higher level, people are starting to "disappear" even earlier than they did a few decades back.

This is the correct interpretation. Extending life expectancy is primarily a result of improved general living conditions. That doesn't make modern medicine bad, but it certainly doesn't make homeopathy or similar methods any more effective.

hiddenviper9 said:Maria Bennett2: Maybe hiddenviper9 can enlighten us about this "water memory" thing, since no homeopath has ever even suggested it as a hypothesis, let alone actually proven it...

hiddenviper9:
Oh, honey, listen... I don't need to explain water memory to you—because Japanese scientists already did the talking there...
"A sensational discovery by Japanese researchers following twelve years of lab studies.
- Water reacts—actually, it stores feelings and information it receives from the outside world within its 'memory'—says Masaru Emoto, president of the Japan General Research Institute.
Emoto and his team filled small vials with water while playing various types of music.
They froze the water at minus 20 degrees Celsius and photographed the frozen crystals under magnification of 200 to 500 times.
The result? The ice crystals from water that 'listened' to classical or spiritual music had perfect, beautiful structures, whereas heavy metal music left behind images of pure chaos and decay.
Water even responds to words; for instance, if you say 'thank you,' delicate, filigree crystals freeze, but if you threaten it, the water reacts with shattered, broken crystals."

And honestly, all I have to tell you is that everything we think CREATES MEMORY...
If you don't believe me, just ask your son—he’d definitely know...

I feel like we’ve touched on something like this before. Look, hiddenviper9, liquid water doesn't have any kind of memory. There isn't a single experiment out there that shows it. Liquid water is fundamentally different from ice. It's dominated by this massive, constant dynamic of hydrogen bonds breaking and forming. These stories just can't be proven. If water actually had a memory, then its influence on, say, chemical reactions happening inside it would be different, and yet nobody has ever actually observed that. Do you seriously think that something like dissolving salt or a neutralization reaction would turn out differently just because you're speaking nicely or yelling at the glass where the reaction is taking place?
It’s not that hard to check. Try dissolving table salt in one glass while you're yelling at it, and in another glass while you're being polite, and then compare the solubility. Do it 50 times for each glass and run a statistical analysis. If water memory existed, you should get different solubility rates. As for crystallization under sound waves, maybe the pattern could change (though I'm not entirely sure), but it would look that way even if you were just banging a spoon against a pot without any emotion involved.
I looked up that Japanese guy you mentioned on Google, and he's just some guy working at some alternative university. He wrote two books, but from what I can see, he hasn't published a single paper in a serious scientific journal—you know, the kind with rigorous peer review. That tells me he isn't even confident in the quality of his own experiments, because if he were, publishing there would guarantee him massive publicity. I mean, if this were true, I guarantee you he would have won a Nobel Prize for such a discovery.
Actually, back in the 70s, there were theories about a sort of fourth "aggregate" state of water because they "found" a reduction in vapor pressure under certain conditions and assumed it was a specific structure of water consisting of (I think) ten water molecules per unit in a liquid. They even calculated the molecular mass of that structure. There was even a conference dedicated solely to it. In the end, it turned out the experiment wasn't repeatable or reproducible, and it turns out the Russians (since the theory was theirs) were working with impure water, which has lower partial vapor pressure.
As you can see, the scientific community takes results seriously, but they verify them first.

I have one more question. If water remembers, does it memorize the yelling first, and then if I speak kindly afterward, does it "forget" the yelling and remember the kindness, or does it remember both?

driftinggull13: hiddenviper9, liquid water doesn't have any memory.

hiddenviper9:
That’s just what you and your scientists claim. I'm arguing that there is MEMORY embedded in every single particle of inorganic and organic matter—it's how electrons recognize their own protons...

That’s why we have an inorganic atom and an organic atom (from the same family) that look identical in shape, yet they differ based on the frequencies within their own essence (where that frequency acts as a MEMORY PRINT).

So, it's the frequency that distinguishes, say, an inorganic atom from an organic hydrogen atom, even though they are structurally the same.

Or consider how cells in specific organs identify themselves through the frequency of their own essence to "know" which organ they belong to.
Protein molecules and cells provide the evidence for this.
Basically, protein molecules—essential components of every living cell—have their own address tags, or rather, they are encoded with zip codes that manifest as impulses.
As they move through cells, transport happens via mRNA—impulses (signal sequences) from a specific set of protein molecules "recognize" a specific set of cells.
Once recognition occurs, the identified protein molecules stay attached to the membranes of the exact cells that recognized them, while the unrecognized ones continue traveling until they find the matching cells that will recognize them according to their code.

So, my dear scientist, within the own essence of every hydrogen atom, and indeed within oxygen atoms, there exists a memory code print that allows atoms (whether in liquid or non-liquid water) to recognize one another.

Whether you believe it or not—water is intelligent.
And anything intelligent can, in its own way, remember.

Now, water CANNOT remember within its own essence—but it can remember out of being.
But that's an explanation for another time.

And finally.
Of course, no serious journal is going to publish this (for now), because most editors of those journals are scientists.
And we all know how much scientists truly understand about what lies beyond the realm of FEELING!

And that is exactly why homeopathic molecules can or cannot "find" the specific cells they are meant to heal.

hiddenviper9, there isn’t any difference at all, whether you’re talking about frequencies or anything else, between two atoms of the same element. It’s just an illusion you're using to try and describe the world around you because you don't quite grasp it—and hey, I don't mean that as an insult, really... The proteins you're bringing up recognize one another, sure, but that’s just the result of intermolecular forces that we understand pretty well. Take drugs like cimetidine or ranitidine, which serve as active ingredients in all sorts of medications; those were developed strictly through computer modeling and by understanding how H2 histamine receptors work in the stomach.
An atom or a molecule just has the properties it has, and based on everything we know so far, it doesn't possess any special traits that would somehow assign it to a specific "organ"...

I get that when it comes to homeopathy, people try to hunt for explanations just so they can rationalize what they think they're seeing, but this whole idea about water memory is just flat-out wrong. Water memory doesn't exist, and not a single modern experiment has been able to prove it. I doubt things will be any different in the future, but honestly, every bit of experience we have studying chemistry in aqueous solutions points directly against that theory, and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of scientific papers being published every single year. Do you seriously believe that none of those thousands of scientists performing these experiments want to accept water memory as an explanation simply because they're narrow-minded? Why is it so hard to just accept that water memory isn't a valid explanation?

driftinggull13,
I know you'll just insist you're right about everything you said.
But from where I'm standing, you're actually wrong.
So, we're even.
Where does that leave us?

You claimed that "the proteins you mentioned recognize each other, but that's just a result of intermolecular forces..."
That is COMPLETELY WRONG!
If you want proof, look up the Nobel laureate Günter Blobel, a biologist at Rockefeller University in New York City. He scientifically proved that molecules use impulses to identify cells—ensuring protein molecules feed only the specific cells they are meant for.
There aren't any "intermolecular forces" at play here; instead, molecules and cells are encoded with matching codes that manifest as impulses.
If that doesn't make sense to you, maybe it's better if we stop talking.

You wrote: "drugs like cimetidine and ranitidine, used as active ingredients in many preparations, are substances used to prevent heartburn."
Let me ask you something: Why don't those drugs work for me, while a NATURAL remedy—like the homeopathic Stomachal—works wonders?
And how would mainstream science respond to that? As they often do, they’d say: Science has no answer for that.

As for water memory, there is a lot to explain, especially to a "man of knowledge"—that is, a scientist—to get them to realize that water DOES remember.
Not like a human does, obviously, and certainly not in huge amounts.
But it remembers enough to hold the value of its own code.
Actually, explaining water memory is quite simple.

Why do I have to go into such detail for a scientist?
Quite simply because scientists tend to act like beavers.
Just as a river flows through its bed, knowledge flows through its established channels.
And just as beavers can dam up a river, scientists have the power to block the insights that many researchers are discovering.
To address your point: Do you really think none of those thousands of scientists performing these experiments want to accept water memory as an explanation simply because they are narrow-minded?
No, it isn't about being narrow-minded; it's about the materialistic education provided in all school.
Even in theological institutions.

Medicine itself blocks any progressive thought or insight that refuses to follow that materialistic education.
This has been happening since the era of Hippocrates, because he was the one who essentially set medicine on the path toward materialistic education.

By the way, if you're curious about my take on Hippocrates, you can find it on my website: www.e-c-n.com

So, hiddenviper9—if I’m reading you correctly, and if my understanding hasn't failed me—you're saying standard medications don't actually do anything for you, and it's only homeopathy that works?

Maria Bennett2: So, hiddenviper9, if I’m following you correctly—standard meds don't really work for you, it's only homeopathy that does?

You might have missed my point since I didn't actually write about that.

First off, I heal using energy transmitted through quartz crystals.

If I see a doctor and they prescribe something—which I think is perfectly fine to take—then I take it.
But I should mention, I haven't actually visited a doctor for health issues in years.

Otherwise, maybe two or three times a year I'll take some Tylenol (kind of like a Bayer aspirin).

Now, if I have heartburn, I use a natural remedy.
Actually, I take one homeopathic tablet every single day from November through March; it keeps me from ever catching a cold. That was a constant struggle for me from birth until I started working with crystals.

That’s really it.
Everything else—I heal with crystals.

That's why in my first book, CRYSTAL I, I wrote:
"...When we summarize what has been said, we can conclude that, ultimately, the person seeking help can help themselves most of all.

However, if you have read the information in this book carefully, you may have realized that if you want to help yourself or maintain good health, you need to establish a Conscious contact with cosmic energy by opening up your own sensors.

To achieve this, you must decide who you will engage to act as the conduit for your energetic connection:
- a doctor, a bio-therapist, or a crystal.

My suggestion is to choose the crystal, while keeping a doctor involved for oversight, and only if you don't recover should you turn to a reputable bio-therapist..."

So, it turns out we need both the Tylenol and an actual doctor—though, of course, they’ll insist it works in some inevitable synergy with "cosmic energies."

I should have seen this coming... the slide from homeopathy to this nonsense was always going to happen. The fundamental issue with these esotericism enthusiasts is that they constantly prattle on about these mystical energies that exist solely within their own imaginations—forces that remain, quite predictably, entirely impossible to prove through any standard scientific method.

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Maria Bennett2:They talk about these magical energies that supposedly exist only in their minds—things that can't be proven by any standard scientific method.

hiddenviper13:
Honestly, I’m just grateful to nature that I was born with something inside me—that "magical energy" you mentioned—rather than having nothing at all in that vital part of my body.
I'm also thankful that when my dogs have stomach issues, they know to come straight to me. They'll pose in just the right way so I can work with my bioenergetic energy, and before long, they're feeling better.
If I can't get to them personally, I just give them a homeopathic remedy to soothe the pain.
That's been my routine for eight years now.
It turns out even dogs believe in the power of energy and the benefits of homeopathy.

And I’m glad you chimed in; it feels like just another piece of evidence for the theory of water memory reincarnation.

👋

hiddenviper9 said:....just more evidence that Water Memory reincarnation is actually happening.

So, reincarnation is on the table for you too?

I can't help but wonder if there's a homeopathic remedy specifically for people whose strongest suits aren't exactly logic or mathematics...

Like those who find themselves believing in reincarnation, for instance.

Hey Faramir,

You remind me of a clock that’s constantly running slow.
Plus, you're like a kid who can only focus on their favorite toy—if anything else is sitting right next to it, they don't even notice.
To them, nothing exists except that one toy.

I have to admit, general psychology has come a long way lately—especially now that their medications have made it possible for even Jurists to show up in public, or at least online.