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David Jones David Jones MemberOP
18 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1 ·
I am repeating my question to Tyndall because the discussion regarding the criteria has been locked—he likely missed it.

Why is it that on every single thread on PZK concerning the zidić, everyone else's posts are routinely deleted and they are branded as "fanboys," yet on other topics, people are allowed to comment on one another freely? 🤷

Take this most recent example (and there are plenty more)—commenting is permitted even for users who don't even visit the Spirituality section and haven't even seen the original posts.

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=573084

And in this specific case, we are looking at a debate between users and moderators, which is why those so-called "fanboys" you mentioned weren't deleted. 🤷

Don't just give me some canned response claiming this is accidental—if I wanted to, I could easily find ten different threads across a few pages right now and drop the links here.

Look, don't assume this is mere provocation; I genuinely want to know the reasoning behind this. 😕

And Steven Reed, you've been deleted. 😕
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#2 ·
We gotta scrub the embarrassing stuff. Other users are lurking on here, and we don't want anyone looking bad. 😁
restlessbison25 restlessbison25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Aug 2010
#3 ·
Henry Cox78 said:We gotta scrub the embarrassing stuff. Other users are lurking on here, and we don't want anyone looking bad. 😁

Honestly, this inconsistent moderation style is what's killing the vibe here, if you ask me.

Think about it—if some middle managers at a place like JPMorgan acted like this, where the secretaries basically enable all the shady business and nonsense their buddies pull, that company would go belly up overnight. But in America, unfortunately, that kind of behavior is just the status quo.

So yeah, everything's totally fine. 😁
Steven Reed Steven Reed Regular
354 messages
joined Dec 2014
#4 ·
I see Nanashi finally replied—meanwhile, my own posts were wiped 😍
My comments are just fan commentary 🤣 🤣

Please, Tyndall, address the post I left. There was absolutely no reason to delete it; I wasn't being rude, I wasn't insulting anyone, and I certainly wasn't spamming. All I did was express my dissatisfaction with how I'm being communicated with—and even that got scrubbed 😍
Now, some people might say "take a hint," but I’m a bit slow on the uptake 😍
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#5 ·
Gotta answer the question properly. ☕
David Jones David Jones MemberOP
18 messages
joined Jul 2009
#6 ·
Henry Cox78 said:Gotta answer the question properly. ☕

Maybe he just headed out for a long weekend—honestly, I just hope he comes back in a decent mood so he doesn't just
lock the thread 🍿
shadowseal12 shadowseal12 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2010
#7 ·
Can someone catch me up on what's actually going on with this thread and you guys? From what I can gather, you all had a dedicated spot to coordinate making clones just to mess with people, right? Am I on the right track, or am I totally missing the point?
Bradley Baker20 Bradley Baker20 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Aug 2010
#8 ·
shadowseal12 said:Can someone catch me up on what's actually going on with this thread and you guys? From what I can gather, you all had a dedicated spot to coordinate making clones just to mess with people, right? Am I on the right track, or am I totally missing the point?

Here’s the zidić part 1. Check it out and see why they’d wipe all of zidić part 2, ban Perme, and stop any survivors from even starting a new thread. On top of that, if you try to ask for answers on PZK or KZB, they either shut you down or delete the post.
Plus, they banned anyone left from cloning accounts and gave every single mod the power to ban them just for being suspected. Why? Just because a few sensitive souls don't get the joke. 🙄

Man, talk about democracy. 😁
Anyway, read a few pages and decide if you're gonna take their word for it or use your own brain? :Partibrejkers:

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=305255
shadowseal12 shadowseal12 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2010
#9 ·
Why would thinking for yourself be at odds with believing them? Sure, the act of believing is one thing, but if the mods and admins actually turn out to be right, then they aren't opposites. It feels like you're just pushing one single solution as the only truth.

I’m still totally lost—I skimmed the first page, saw nothing but inside jokes and random vulgarity, and that was it. I'm really not feeling like diving into 300 pages of that, especially if there isn't some juicy payoff hidden in there somewhere.
One more thing: when you talk about banning clone accounts, are you referring to cases where the original account isn't banned? If that's the case, I don't see why it should be prohibited unless those clones were being used specifically to break Reddit rules.

Man, why all the emotional intensity? I just got a DM from someone who was pretty worked up over the question I asked above—it’s just bytes on a hard drive. It's really not that deep.
restlessbison25 restlessbison25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Aug 2010
#10 ·
@shadowseal12, it’s really about the principle here. Using the zidić rule as an example just shows how inconsistent, stubborn, and frankly brain-dead the way some mods and admins enforce the rules is—not to mention their "inspiring" posts on those various PDFs, which are just tacky and totally beneath the job they're doing.

Some people get a free pass, while others can't even breathe without getting flagged.

So yeah, the zidić thing is just one case. I’m complaining because all this stuff is toxic for the forum. And trust me, I’m not the only one feeling it; just comb through the PZK threads and you'll see what I mean.

If you want to see the level of "class" they show when dealing with the thread starter (me), check it out here:

And right here:

Oops, my bad... nothing to see here, actually. No letters, no maps, nothing at all.😁

Get it now?
restlessbison25 restlessbison25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Aug 2010
#11 ·
Man, seriously, what is even going on here? Like, hello? Is anyone actually listening? Hey, Tyndall, you feel me? It’s like... man, I don't even know. Just... wow.

Pfuu, why do I even bother? 🤷
Bradley Baker20 Bradley Baker20 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Aug 2010
#12 ·
shadowseal12 said:Why would thinking for yourself be at odds with believing them? Sure, the act of believing is one thing, but if the mods and admins actually turn out to be right, then they aren't opposites. It feels like you're just pushing one single solution as the only truth.

I’m still totally lost—I skimmed the first page, saw nothing but inside jokes and random vulgarity, and that was it. I'm really not feeling like diving into 300 pages of that, especially if there isn't some juicy payoff hidden in there somewhere.
One more thing: when you talk about banning clone accounts, are you referring to cases where the original account isn't banned? If that's the case, I don't see why it should be prohibited unless those clones were being used specifically to break Reddit rules.

Man, why all the emotional intensity? I just got a DM from someone who was pretty worked up over the question I asked above—it’s just bytes on a hard drive. It's really not that deep.


Yeah, that's the deal.🤷
Chat topics exist for whatever reason. No destruction, no sabotage, no trying to wreck the site or anything else they used as an excuse to delete the zidić. It's just that—just ten women joking around and talking about life, work, sex, the forum, and the local baseball team. It's not some terrorist cell. Do you honestly think a setup like that deserves having the whole thread nuked, getting permabanned, and having a target painted on the backs of the survivors? Yes or no?

Banning cloning means banning cloning, even if the original account isn't banned. That's allowed for everyone except the girls from the zidić.
shadowseal12 shadowseal12 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2010
#13 ·
@restlessbison25:

I'm not sure why you're showing me these threads. I've seen them before, but I still don't see how they actually answer what I'm asking.
I definitely agree about the inconsistent moderation—to me, it feels like people get a pass on breaking rules because it's not that big of a deal, but then later on, those same types of violations get penalized.
(That includes all my own posts in this thread, which honestly were pretty unnecessary.)

Everyone who replied to my original post pointed out the unfairness—I've known that from the start. It's clear you guys don't agree with how the punishments are being handed out, but what I was actually trying to get at was *why* things even reached this point.
Like I asked in my first post:
Can someone explain what the deal is with this whole thread and everyone involved? From what I can tell, you guys had a thread where you planned to make clone accounts just to mess with people, right? Am I close? Or totally off?

.

Nobody really gave me a straight answer.
I skimmed the first page of that thread, but it was just a bunch of crude, inside jokes and trolling, so I didn't bother reading any further.
Bradley Baker20 Bradley Baker20 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Aug 2010
#14 ·
shadowseal12 said:@restlessbison25:

I'm not sure why you're showing me these threads. I've seen them before, but I still don't see how they actually answer what I'm asking.
I definitely agree about the inconsistent moderation—to me, it feels like people get a pass on breaking rules because it's not that big of a deal, but then later on, those same types of violations get penalized.
(That includes all my own posts in this thread, which honestly were pretty unnecessary.)

Everyone who replied to my original post pointed out the unfairness—I've known that from the start. It's clear you guys don't agree with how the punishments are being handed out, but what I was actually trying to get at was *why* things even reached this point.
Like I asked in my first post:
Can someone explain what the deal is with this whole thread and everyone involved? From what I can tell, you guys had a thread where you planned to make clone accounts just to mess with people, right? Am I close? Or totally off?

.

Nobody really gave me a straight answer.
I skimmed the first page of that thread, but it was just a bunch of crude, inside jokes and trolling, so I didn't bother reading any further.


I don't get it—why is what you're saying here considered "useless"? This thread isn't just for show; it's literally here so we can talk about the people posting on the forum.🤷

To give you a straight answer to your question—"right, wrong, or close?"—it’s wrong.😁

Man, you sound like a moderator.😁
restlessbison25 restlessbison25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Aug 2010
#15 ·
shadowseal12, I already told you—I can't make this any clearer. If you aren't getting it now, you're just not listening. The main thing is that the zidić wasthe most vulgar, stupid, and just plain trashy stuff—basically the bottom of the barrel for this site.

Glad to hear you’re enjoying the rest of this incredibly wholesome forum and that you haven't spotted any controversial posts or threads. Honestly, there aren't any, thanks to our super diligent mods. This place is as clean as a whistle.

It's just a little weird that even you didn't chime in on those two threads I started? All five of them.
Timothy Kim10 Timothy Kim10 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2010
#16 ·
I have to say, I’m genuinely baffled that none of the people in charge has bothered to offer even a single response—let alone a real debate—to any of the questions raised in this thread. We're talking about potential inequality among people who are supposed to be on a level playing field here...

As for the zidić... I actually put in the work and read through almost everything over the weekend. Honestly? I was dying laughing. It’s absolutely brilliant, and I'm actually kind of bummed I wasn't part of that wall myself.😍
Douglas Palmer47 Douglas Palmer47 Member
14 messages
joined Aug 2009
#17 ·
I’m not even going to bother reading through zidić because those chat threads are exhausting; they’re just constant, mindless nonsense. Honestly, the whole off section is like that. So, I really don't get why their thread was nuked in the first place.

I have to say, seeing how they were handled actually caught me off guard. If I'm being objective, it doesn't look fair at all: a thread gets wiped, some people get hit with permanent bans, and yet nobody has actually explained what happened (not in any of the visible threads, anyway).
It honestly feels like they were intentionally baited by having their thread deleted, only to be kicked off Reddit for good.
shadowseal12 shadowseal12 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Aug 2010
#18 ·
restlessbison25 said:shadowseal12, I already told you—I can't make this any clearer. If you aren't getting it now, you're just not listening. The main thing is that the zidić wasthe most vulgar, stupid, and just plain trashy stuff—basically the bottom of the barrel for this site.

Glad to hear you’re enjoying the rest of this incredibly wholesome forum and that you haven't spotted any controversial posts or threads. Honestly, there aren't any, thanks to our super diligent mods. This place is as clean as a whistle.

It's just a little weird that even you didn't chime in on those two threads I started? All five of them.

What can you even do? Offer an answer like PnT did 🙂 and now she's banned. 😢

I never said I liked the forum, or even this specific sub-forum.
Since you asked with a question mark, I'm assuming you want an answer: I didn't comment because I didn't want to cause any drama in the conversation between you and Tyndall, or whoever else you were looking for an answer from.

The only reason I posted here was, like I said before, because I genuinely wanted to understand why this situation hit a few people so hard emotionally.

I still think my writing is unnecessary (maybe I should start using proper punctuation again :/) and breaks the rules since it doesn't actually help resolve the issue you're complaining about (mostly because I can't take anyone's side here), so it deserves to be deleted or warned. I just wanted to satisfy my own curiosity.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#19 ·
Douglas Palmer47 said:I’m not even going to bother reading through zidić because those chat threads are exhausting; they’re just constant, mindless nonsense. Honestly, the whole off section is like that. So, I really don't get why their thread was nuked in the first place.

I have to say, seeing how they were handled actually caught me off guard. If I'm being objective, it doesn't look fair at all: a thread gets wiped, some people get hit with permanent bans, and yet nobody has actually explained what happened (not in any of the visible threads, anyway).
It honestly feels like they were intentionally baited by having their thread deleted, only to be kicked off Reddit for good.

Honestly, I used to look forward to hopping onto zidić just to read their nonsense😁

And hey, Douglas Palmer47, let me tell you something—does this remind you of anything?
Like the World Wars. No sane person can wrap their head around what was going through the mind of some
ugly little guy trying to wipe an entire nation off the map!

That's how it goes: swastikas flying, erasing history, looting, and just shooting down everyone on zidić, the fans, the supporters...
Is there another technical term for this? 🤔No rational person, including my dear Douglas Palmer47, understands it,
they just do it for themselves. 👍

Watch out, though—because of your "lack of understanding," you might be next. 👍
mellowlynx68 mellowlynx68 Member
47 messages
joined Apr 2008
#20 ·
shadowseal12 said:Can someone catch me up on what's actually going on with this thread and you guys? From what I can gather, you all had a dedicated spot to coordinate making clones just to mess with people, right? Am I on the right track, or am I totally missing the point?

So, I think I finally figured out that you're actually pretty interested in this whole "organized criminal syndicate dedicated to bombing other people's topics" thing, right?
Because that’s exactly how things should work—you have to hold people accountable.

I'm not really a fan of zidić—just an admirer, really—and I’m posting here on a chat that's just like how things used to be on Off.
I won't point fingers directly at them, but any story about my son is really a story about them, too.

Here’s an example (That’s not how it actually happened; this is just a paradigm.):
If someone drops a link like that in my chat... post Where do women mostly go to leave supportive comments for moms trying to feed their kids "healthy," rambling on about potential allergies and possible toxins? Honestly, there's no point even reading those threads—they're way too biased.
Reading this makes me want to ask, "WTF is going on in your heads?" Did hormones just wipe your brains clean? Seriously, what are you even feeding your kids? You’re handing out calorie bombs to adults who are already facing health issues, yet you expect a healthy toddler to be okay with eating a tiny slice of cornmeal cake?
Then you see your computer finally hit "post," and you realize all those users who spend their entire lives hanging around this Reddit thread have chimed in. You jump in too, just so they know there are actually other people out there who don't agree with them.
Then everything just devolves into those petty personal attacks—people asking who you think you are or why you even have the right to voice an opinion, usually because they claim you don't have kids or whatever. Anyway.
Then everything just goes off the rails—the mod steps in and starts handing out bans like candy.

And now:
The zidić crowd usually doesn't complain when they get handed a red card like this. They said what they wanted to say, so they got exactly what they deserved. 😬)
Honestly, the users and the mods on that subreddit don't trust them anymore. Once you realize everyone is just posting from the same Discord server, they look like an organized group that only showed up to start arguments.
The biggest crime here is that they’re actually using their own chat topic to talk about this "crusade"—which completely defeats the whole purpose of having a dedicated thread in the first place. 🤷And that’s how they "prove" it was all planned out.

You tell me:
Is it normal to feel that urge to jump into a discussion whenever you stumble upon an interesting topic, whether it's good news or bad?
Is it weird when you see your computer caught up in a debate like this, and you realize you actually agree with them—making you want to jump in just to show there are more people on that side?
Is it even normal to sit there on your laptop and argue about this in your own little chat room—basically your own personal digital living room?

To seems totally normal to me, but I guess to the mods, it’s just a "criminal conspiracy."

One of the worst things about people from this town is that they can spot trash from a mile away, yet they still cling to this sub-Reddit. There’s even an entire thread dedicated to "Reddit Trash," where people just dig up links to posts like this one about the cake.
Honestly, you need nerves of steel to even step foot in that thread without losing your mind over how everyone’s opinions constantly clash.

Like that thread about everyone being obsessed with Ivan Balić—but you know, from a non-fan perspective. 🤣Whether it's complaining about stiletto nails (seriously, who actually wears those?) or venting on X threads... honestly, you probably had the same impulses at some point.
The real question is how many people actually bother to control them, or how many are just too lazy (like me) to jump into the fray.
The zidić crowd loves to comment and dive into debates—the more intense, the better for them.
The rest of us (the quiet ones) just like to lurk because they usually say the stuff we don't have the guts to speak up about.

When they go overboard, they should get flagged—that’s literally what the mods are there for—but what’s happening right now is just ridiculous.
The fact that such a harmless group is being banned from having any chat OFF is enough to show just how much control the mods have lost.


EDIT: Here's another moderator absurdity: "We told you a thousand times not to do that." Since when does a mod, or whoever they are, get to tell a user what they can or can't do? Are there forum rules? Yes. Are there different colored warnings and various ban durations? Yes. So mods, just do your jobs, stop playing philosopher, and quit making up new rules. This whole persecution thing is just pathetic. ☕

EDIT: One more interesting thing. Every few months 😬, whenever I post something here on the zidić topics, it either gets deleted or I get a warning from the mods like, "Why do you care? Why are you interfering?" 🤷
Listen, in the Messages and Wishes subforum,comments, if those ego-driven people who think the moderation team is the absolute peak of human achievement wanted to ban me, they could. Enough is enough. They've played themselves. It's just like our government bureaucracy or those clerks at the DMV who intentionally make your life difficult just to remind you that you're there for their sake, not the other way around. Despite all logic, they succeed. Both the clerks and the moderators. 😂

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