GP Germany - 07/25/2010

Maria Nelson2 said:Honestly, I'm pretty sure Kimi couldn't care less about any of this right now, probably sitting somewhere in Finland just completely indifferent😁

Fix'd 😉

😍

Jason Campbell70 said:It's the exact same track from two seasons ago—back in 2008.

Didn't you see?

Clearly. ☕

Did they even tell him over the radio to just let him through? And honestly, forget about the coffee and all that touching... just move on.

Ferrari has officially entered the fray

forget about saving fuel 🤣

redheron12 said:At least the guy looked embarrassed—he definitely wasn't out there crying about it, though.😁

Honestly, even Michael Schumacher wouldn't have felt embarrassed about that one 😁

Jason Campbell70 said:Yeah, right. 🙏

Just look at McLaren (especially back in 2007)—the perfect example of how to treat both drivers as equals. 🙄

Yeah, right. 🙏

Honestly, if you look back at McLaren—especially that 2007 season—it’s such a textbook example of how they treated their drivers like they were just interchangeable parts rather than actual people. It was pretty blatant. 🙄

Who even said that?
They both get treated exactly the same way—it’s just that Lewis Hamilton is actually a better driver than this total loser.☕
If you want some comfort food for your theories, go grab a different PDF.😉

Edward Howard2 said:don't be so naive... 🙂

Look, if you actually believed Jenson Button just let him have that spot back on the track, then you really don't know the first thing about Formula 1...

Honestly, this whole situation is getting exhausting, but now you guys are really going overboard with the criticism of Fernando Alonso. You all had plenty to say when Webber failed to hold his line, and nobody was making these kinds of comments about the fuel shortage issues over at McLaren. They did exactly what they needed to do. To be fair, I actually expected Alonso to squeeze him hard enough that Massa would either take the full racing line or brake too late, allowing Alonso to pull off a masterclass move. But it doesn't even matter—we all know exactly how the game is played.

Morgan Murphy7 said:That's exactly how PAto works!

If you ask me, these bans are completely pointless.

If everything had been played fair back in 2007, Kimi Räikkönen would never have been champion because he wouldn't have had to yield to Felipe Massa.

Of course the team is going to order someone to let another pass when even a fool can see that 25 points are far more vital for Alonso than for Massa, given that the latter still has a shot at the title.

How many posts did you guys manage to pump out while I was busy making my way through the Metro? 🙂 😁

Anyway, I agree that banning team orders is a complete joke. That rule is basically just dead ink on paper at this point. Nobody actually enforces it, nobody can realistically enforce it, nobody actually wants to enforce it, and I doubt anyone here is under any illusions about how that works. 😁 So why the sudden shock today, then? 😁 What have you guys seen lately?

Does it bother anyone else that there was just so much going on? I guess I'm wondering if it felt a bit overwhelming to everyone else too. Obviously.Yeah, I agree. It looks ridiculous, honestly. It’s just embarrassing to watch the drivers being forced to act like idiots for no reason.

Everyone involved—including us—is well aware that team orders and strategic decisions aren't going anywhere. They exist in every single garage on the grid. It's common knowledge that in Formula 1, the team's overall interest takes precedence over any individual driver's ego. Personally, I think that’s actually quite reasonable given the circumstances, and it’s honestly how things have to work if you want to win.

It’s pretty obvious that within McLaren (and even outside of it), Lewis is treated as the clear number one driver. Even though he's technically officially labeled as number two— The current world champion.😲 Even though he definitely still has a shot at the title. 😉 Lewis might have that slight edge in raw pace, but if you ask me, Button makes up for it with other qualities. Honestly, though, if we’re being real about it, the biggest injustice here has to be at McLaren. I guess if anyone deserved to be number two more than anyone else on the grid, it probably wasn't Button.

When you look at the numbers, Massa was clearly outclassed by Alonso. There’s really no debate about who the more complete driver is when you weigh everything up. Honestly, given the massive gap in points between them, I guess Ferrari's move was pretty much the only logical step left. The reasons behind it are obvious and have been discussed to death already.

Someone mentioned that this isn't quite the same situation as when Kimi took his title, arguing that back then it came down to the final race and whether he could clinch it or not. I guess it’s not all that different here, though. Massa doesn't really have a realistic shot at the championship anymore, whereas Fernando still has a path if everything aligns perfectly—assuming he drives flawlessly and gets a decent bit of luck on top of it. From where I'm sitting, Ferrari was facing a real dilemma today: they could either play this hand and stay in the hunt for the title, or just throw in the towel entirely. And apparently, this is all because of some supposed "moral code" regarding avoiding team orders? We all know those exist; honestly, teams don't even try that hard to hide them, let alone anyone else.

In my opinion, the only way Ferrari actually messed this up was by ignoring what everyone else is doing—something we all know for a fact is working. Everyone’s getting to work. He didn't exactly make it "less obvious." I guess it’s a massive blunder once you actually take a closer look. wow. 😁It’s pretty obvious Ferrari knows the Formula 1 fanbase isn't stupid, so there's really no point trying to insult our intelligence by hiding or using some nonsensical camouflage for things everyone already knows are happening. 😁 It's standard practice for basically every team on the grid.

I agree this was laughably transparent, but it just proves how unenforceable this ban is—given how much people use coded language anyway—and how ridiculous it is. They should just scrap it.

Now, if we want to talk about the moral side of things, which seems to be what everyone here loves to lecture one another about, then from a purely ethical standpoint, it makes zero difference whether something "immoral" is done overtly or subtly. 😁

It doesn't make an act any less immoral if, for instance, Kimi wins a title because of the exact same reasons, it just happens that Kimi is everyone's favorite, so we all happily cheer him on. Meanwhile, if Alonso does it, it's suddenly seen as more immoral simply because he's the easiest target for people to hate. 😁

Jason Campbell70 said:Yeah, right. 🙏

Just look at McLaren (especially back in 2007)—the perfect example of how to treat both drivers as equals. 🙄

I mean, really? When was Fernando ever forced to step aside for Lewis Hamilton? Or when did Jenson Button have to let Hamilton pass just so he could stack up more points?

Massa, man, just hang in there for one more damn lap!

redheron12 said:Come on, Jason Campbell70, don't be so harsh—where was this energy when McLaren pulled something equally clumsy and obvious, broadcasted live for everyone to see, only to act completely unapologetic at the press conference?

I never said McLaren doesn't do it, they just tend to be much more subtle about it. 🤷

True, but why even bring up "respect for the sport"? It’s obvious everyone else—and by that, I mean McLaren too—is trying to make fools out of those of us actually watching Formula 1.

Henry Morris3 said:I mean, really? When was Fernando ever forced to step aside for Lewis Hamilton? Or when did Jenson Button have to let Hamilton pass just so he could stack up more points?

Just let him be. You can tell he's just spinning some wild conspiracy theories at this point.☕

stormybadger8 said:Yeah, and Sebastian Vettel is a massive jerk because of some wing issue, just like the entire Red Bull crew, but apparently that's totally fine.🙏

I wasn't exactly Team Webber in that scenario 🙂 😁

To me, it seems perfectly normal and justifiable that Vettel was given that wing 😳😁

My only real gripe is that the team isn't making things clear to their drivers—stuff they really should have figured out by now 😁 And they've allowed this level of internal chaos to happen... which might just cost them both championships, if it hasn't already 😵

What a joke of a director... they’ve got Button squeezing Hamilton, but then this amateur shows us Webber just wandering around the track... over on ESPN, the onboard cam has been stuck on Alonso for 15 minutes without showing a single other car. Seriously, who let this guy behind the camera? 😠

hey, can you just condense this into two sentences? honestly, I can't even get through all this reading...🙏

Henry Morris3 said:Look, if you actually believed Jenson Button just let him have that spot back on the track, then you really don't know the first thing about Formula 1...

I saw him get passed, and after that, he wasn't allowed to push him back. Plus, the whole thing was confirmed at the press conference—you could see it all over Lewis Hamilton's awkward face.😉

A double victory for Ferrari!!! Who actually wrote them off?? Who was it that said Massa was a mistake????? Seriously, you guys have no idea...

I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about Pilatus—specifically those incredible turboprops they build. There is just something about that level of precision engineering that feels almost lost in today's world of mass production, don't you think? It makes me wonder if we focus too much on sheer scale when we should be looking at the elegance of specialized design. It’s one of those things where quality isn't just a buzzword; it's the entire foundation of the machine. kaže:
And besides, you don't actually have to be standing right in front of the car to get it lowered.
Just like a mechanic over at Ferrari. ☕

Come on, let’s be reasonable here—enough with the nonsense. To actually pull that off, they’d need arms that were a mile long just to reach over the rubber. Let's stick to reality, shall we? Thanks for nothing. ☕

Look at those pathetic teams... everyone’s hitting a wall, but nobody’s actually celebrating... just sour looks and fake smiles like a bad political press conference. 🙂