Support thread for admin ZgSash

dustypuma5 said:I don't agree with some of them ideologically either. But what some of the football mods are doing is way out of line for decent behavior. They're making clones, plotting attacks on Politics from their private chats, and then bragging about using clones to mess with each other.
It's pathetic....
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dustypuma5 said:I guess I don't really care if they bring back all my posts, as long as they also restore everything else on that thread and actually punish people properly. Including those moderator posts over in the football section... maybe.

I guess Tom might've started this thread just to call out the hypocrisy, maybe.

Just looking to settle the score with ZgSash...

The political elites just ban everyone who dares to agree with them. Not even gonna get started on those ridiculous 29-point cards they hand out to people who only need one more point to get banned, all while they're busy spitting on the fans. I guess.

I guess they have every right to do that. It’s their subforum, so they moderate it and decide how the discussions go. They figured instead of making the thread some joke about fans, they'd just make it about Warsaw.
If you can't handle the cards or the debate on this thread, just go complain to the mods. But no, instead you made like 100 clones just to start an offensive...

And another thing... since I'm one of maybe five people who actually started the PDF fan threads on this board—which, by the way, is currently the most read section on the whole site—I don't get why admin doesn't realize there’s a massive privilege here. We basically have the top leaders of all the major American supporter groups right here. It would be like having someone like Dickey running the science forum or Josipović running politics. These are the absolute heads of the American fan scene.

I guess the folks on the science boards are actual experts, so they don't feel the need to spam random threads everywhere... And the history guys? They're historians, so they probably aren't looking to start any wars with the admins over on the politics board.

Instead of actually using the situation to fix things, they just ban people for having an opinion that doesn't line up with theirs. It’s honestly so stupid and pathetic. I don't usually have anything against the admin, but he's leading the charge on this one. And I guess the only ones backing him up are those two absolute clowns he protects who completely trashed the thread about fan violence. Oh, and let's not forget the legendary granitefox16.

Maybe they'll jump on some opportunity? Like, if the football guys try to enforce their rules, maybe they'll just use that to attack other subforums if people start making fun of them... I guess.
Man, just cut the crap with all the demagoguery...

Just trying to settle the score with ZgSash..

They have every right to do that. It's their subforum, they moderate it, and they decide how the discussion goes. They decided to turn the thread from some joke about fans into a serious discussion about Warsaw.
If you can't handle the bans or the way things are being discussed, go file an appeal through official channels. But instead, you guys made a hundred clones just to start an offensive...

The people posting on the science board are actual scientists, so they aren't out here spamming threads everywhere... And the history board is full of historians, so they have no interest in starting wars with the admins over politics...

So they can take advantage of a situation? Use a moment where the football crew tries to enforce their own rules, or exploit the chaos in other subforums if the football crowd gets mocked...
Give me a break, enough with the drama...

Keith Cook2 said:Good evening. As one of the moderators here on the sports forum, I feel somewhat obligated to address the recent call-outs and the criticisms leveled against those who primarily post there—most of whom aren't even bothering anyone else while they search for answers on this board...
Are you truly terrified of losing a tiny slice of virtual territory? People, this is just a website; we aren't guests in someone's living room, yet even here, there are basic standards for civilized, serious behavior. You seem intent on lynching certain fans, nitpicking every single thing they do in pursuit of a sensation, and then quite hypocritically employing those very same tactics to shield your own biases.
If anyone feels personally targeted, please just reach out to me via private message.
Furthermore, I stand firmly behind all the moderators, admins, and staff as they attempt to manage the scope of responsibility they've been given.

Keith Cook2 said:Good evening. As one of the moderators here on the sports forum, I feel somewhat obligated to address the recent call-outs and the criticisms leveled against those who primarily post there—most of whom aren't even bothering anyone else while they search for answers on this board...
Are you truly terrified of losing a tiny slice of virtual territory? People, this is just a website; we aren't guests in someone's living room, yet even here, there are basic standards for civilized, serious behavior. You seem intent on lynching certain fans, nitpicking every single thing they do in pursuit of a sensation, and then quite hypocritically employing those very same tactics to shield your own biases.
If anyone feels personally targeted, please just reach out to me via private message.
Furthermore, I stand firmly behind all the moderators, admins, and staff as they attempt to manage the scope of responsibility they've been given.

dustypuma5 said:I mean, it’d be nice if the support actually meant something, like if they finally stopped recruiting clones on the threads you moderate...
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dustypuma5 said:I mean, it’d be nice if the support actually meant something, like if they finally stopped recruiting clones on the threads you moderate...
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steeleagle70 said:So, since Keith Cook2 only jumped in three posts after that whole cloning and "attack" drama started, I’m not exactly seeing much of him helping to "calm things down." If I'm not mistaken, announcing you're going to act one way and then doing the exact opposite—like all that cloning and intentional trolling—is a direct violation of the forum rules. Right?

You gotta sweep your own porch before you start worrying about how the neighbors are keeping theirs, right?

granitefox16 said:Whatever, you clearly know nobody’s bringing them back so there's no point even asking

Just trying to settle the score with ZgSash..

It's about calling out the double standards and hypocrisy. If you actually knew who we were talking about, you wouldn't think this was all just some vendetta against ZgSash.

They have every right to do that. It's their subforum, they moderate it, and they decide how the discussion goes. They decided to turn the thread from some joke about fans into a serious discussion about Warsaw.
If you can't handle the bans or the way things are being discussed, go file an appeal through official channels. But instead, you guys made a hundred clones just to start an offensive...

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No, they don't have "rights." They do it because Anderlon couldn't care less about what happens on this forum anymore. He doesn't have the time to check if his mods are acting like tyrants without any sense of fairness. Not that it's surprising—it's been like this since I joined—but this situation regarding the "fan violence" thread is so twisted it's hard to even stay quiet.

The people posting on the science board are actual scientists, so they aren't out here spamming threads everywhere... And the history board is full of historians, so they have no interest in starting wars with the admins over politics...

Classic trolling. And besides, those "scientists" on the science board don't act like idiots when it comes to actual American science.

So they can take advantage of a situation? Use a moment where the football crew tries to enforce their own rules, or exploit the chaos in other subforums if the football crowd gets mocked...
Give me a break, enough with the drama...

Not at all. They should use the chance to learn something about the fan scene, to have a space that the whole damn community actually reads, to get info firsthand. There are plenty of opportunities, especially when the big shots in the American fan scene are giving interviews to ESPN... but nobody gives a damn as long as they have Adler and you running things.

If you actually had any clue who we're talking about, you wouldn't even think about pointing out double standards and hypocrisy by suggesting this was all done for some ZgSash guy.

No, they don't have the right. Well, maybe they do, but only because Anderlon stopped giving a damn about what happens on this forum ages ago. He doesn't have the time to check if his mods are just doing whatever they want without being impartial. But honestly, that's nothing new—it's been like this since I joined. It's just that this specific case regarding "fan violence" is so messed up it was hard to stay quiet.

You're trolling, obviously, and spinning things too. On the PZ, they write about scientists, but they don't act like experts when it comes to American science.

No, it's about using the situation so people actually learn something about the fan scene, providing a space that the whole damn hardcore following reads, giving them a chance to hear things firsthand. There are plenty of chances to use the fact that big shots in the American fan scene, say, give interviews to the Monitor... but nobody cares when you've got Adler and you around.

dustypuma5 said:I can't really do much more than demand they get returned. If I could just fix it myself, I would.

If you actually had any clue who we're talking about, you wouldn't even think about pointing out double standards and hypocrisy by suggesting this was all done for some ZgSash guy.

I mean, the way they handled it was definitely right. Or maybe not, I don't know, maybe there were other ways to call out the hypocrisy.
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No, they don't have the right. Well, maybe they do, but only because Anderlon stopped giving a damn about what happens on this forum ages ago. He doesn't have the time to check if his mods are just doing whatever they want without being impartial. But honestly, that's nothing new—it's been like this since I joined. It's just that this specific case regarding "fan violence" is so messed up it was hard to stay quiet.

Give me a break, you guys from the football chat are seriously trying to run the forum's politics now?
If someone disagrees with how a forum is moderated, there's usually a standard way to deal with that.

You're trolling, obviously, and spinning things too. On the PZ, they write about scientists, but they don't act like experts when it comes to American science.

Yeah, I'm trolling and spinning everything... mostly just because I disagree with you guys. If I agreed, I guess the trolling would be fine then, right?
Maybe try brushing up on your definitions, especially "trolling" and "discussion"...

No, it's about using the situation so people actually learn something about the fan scene, providing a space that the whole damn hardcore following reads, giving them a chance to hear things firsthand. There are plenty of chances to use the fact that big shots in the American fan scene, say, give interviews to the Monitor... but nobody cares when you've got Adler and you around.

Okay, so now fans are choosing radical ways to break the rules, and now someone's supposed to listen to them and find some deep, hidden meaning behind their aggression?
Forum rules should apply to everyone equally, whether you're a fan or a scientist. Just like US laws, though we've already seen that you guys like to act like a special breed that rules don't apply to. 😉

Give me a break... you guys really think you can run this whole forum just because you won't shut up in the football chat...
If you got a problem with how some forum mods run things, there's always a way people try to handle it...

Yeah, I'm trolling and stirring the pot constantly... But only because I don't agree with any of you. If we actually saw eye to eye, I wouldn't even need to troll. Right?...
Maybe we need to go back to basics here... specifically defining what actual discussion is versus just straight-up trolling...

So, once again you've got fans choosing the most extreme ways to break the rules... and now we're all supposed to just sit here and try to find some deep, hidden meaning behind their violence... unbelievable...
The forum rules should apply to everyone equally, whether you’re a die-hard fan or some academic snob. It’s just like the laws in America... though we’ve already seen that certain people think they’re a special breed that's somehow above the law... 😉

Nathan Bailey65 said:I just wanted to throw in a few thoughts regarding the moderators.. 😁

Just as the football mods have their own specific ways of handling things and their particular way of interacting with the community, the politics mods definitely have their own distinct style too...😁

So, I’d suggest they settle their business over in the moderator corner, rather than using us as their punching bag here..

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dustypuma5;26726838 said:
Can I pose a single question? What does being a "fan" actually mean to you? Let me introduce myself first, so perhaps you can give me an honest answer... By trade, I’m a professor with over thirty years under my belt, happily married, and I work as a tour guide. I’m also a father-to-be, a marketing manager, a licensed lifeguard with the Red Cross, an honorary member of the Society for Our Child, and I write educational content for elementary school students. I attend football games quite regularly, I consider myself a fan, and I firmly condemn the senseless destruction of city property—property that I personally fund through my taxes. If anyone tries to draw parallels between that behavior and today’s chaos in Warsaw or the recent incidents at the local stadium, I honestly wouldn't know whether to applaud or just walk away... But please, enough already; everyone is a "fan" of something—some follow football clubs, others follow political parties, and some follow pop stars! I am asking you to stop creating these myths and legends, because all you are doing is contributing to total media confusion and helping to bury actual values under a mountain of fake sensationalism!

Chloe White5 said:Signature, though I haven't seen any of the football mods complaining about the politics crowd, or vice versa...🙂

Look, if there were any misunderstandings, they got handled exactly where they belong... right there.🙂

dustypuma5 said:And who's your Clint? 🙂

So I guess making clones and spamming isn't considered messing with the politics mods' work then?

Signature, though I haven't seen anyone mention that anywhere else. mods Football guys are whining about the political crowd, and the political crowd is whining right back...🙂

Look, if there were any misunderstandings, they got hashed out exactly where they belonged... right there.🙂

Keith Cook2 said:Can I ask one thing? What does being a "fan" actually mean to you? Let me introduce myself first, then please give me an answer... By trade, I’m a professor with over 30 years under my belt, happily married, a tour guide, a soon-to-be father, working as a marketing manager, a licensed Red Cross lifeguard, an honorary member of the Society for our child, and I create educational content for elementary school students. I regularly attend football games, I consider myself a fan, and I absolutely despise the senseless destruction of city property—property that I pay for with my own taxes. If anyone tries to compare today's chaos in Warsaw or the incidents at the Maksimir stands to this, I won't even bother clapping or booing... Just stop it already; everyone is a "fan" of something—some follow football teams, some follow political parties, others follow pop stars! Please, stop creating these myths and legends; all you're doing is contributing to total media confusion and burying actual values under a mountain of fake sensationalism!

Keith Cook2 said:can I ask one thing? What does being a fan even mean to you? Let me introduce myself so maybe you can answer... I'm a professor with over 30 years under my belt, happily married, work as a tour guide, soon-to-be dad, marketing manager, licensed Red Cross lifeguard, honorary member of the Society for our child, and I write educational stuff for elementary students. I go to football games regularly, consider myself a fan, and I hate seeing city property trashed—property I pay taxes for. If anyone compares today's chaos in Warsaw or what happened at the Maksimir stands to this, I honestly don't know whether to clap or just walk away... But seriously, stop it. Everyone's a fan of something, whether it's football clubs, political parties, or pop stars! Please stop creating these myths and legends; it just causes media confusion and hides actual values behind fake sensationalism!

Chloe White5 said:Read more carefully...😉

Signature, though I haven't seen anyone mention that anywhere else. mods Football guys are whining about the political crowd, and the political crowd is whining right back...🙂

Look, if there were any misunderstandings, they got hashed out exactly where they belonged... right there.🙂

Chloe White5 said:Signature, though I haven't seen any of the football mods complaining about the politics crowd, or vice versa...🙂

Look, if there were any misunderstandings, they got handled exactly where they belong... right there.🙂