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crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Mar 2008
#1 ·
I don't hang out in the politics sub much, but I honestly can't wrap my head around this section where people just toss around insults like moron, idiot, or imbecile at politicians. It makes zero sense to me.

For instance

I actually reported that guy for a similar insult once—though, naturally, nobody ever reacts.

Is this happening because the moderators are all just leftists who can't seem to separate their own feelings from the actual job of moderating? Or is this somehow actually permitted under the sub's rules? I mean, seriously.

These people calling "famous" public figures names—they clearly have no clue that maybe, just maybe, one of that politician's kids is lurking right here on this forum. Imagine if they stumble upon a post calling their mom or dad a jerk, an idiot, a slut, or some other low-life slur...

I can only imagine how that would feel. 🙂

And what happens if that person decides to strike back at the author of the "Dwyane Wade is an idiot" post with the exact same energy? Like...

"Your dad is an idiot, you little brat." ☕

I bet you anything they'd be hit with all kinds of warnings or get banned instantly. Everything in a heartbeat. 🙂
William Green4 William Green4 Member
32 messages
joined Feb 2010
#2 ·
Cabinet members aren't some protected species like the President or the members of the US Congress. They aren't even directly elected by the people; they’re essentially just party appointees handed out behind closed doors. To make matters worse, half of them couldn't manage a lemonade stand, let alone run a federal department. We all end up feeling the ripple effects of their incompetence in our daily lives. So, really...
John Hill John Hill Member
24 messages
joined Jul 2006
#3 ·
Would you have even bothered writing this protest if someone had called a leftist politician an idiot? You’d only be crying about moderator bias if they were slapping people down for insulting the left while letting everyone run wild against the right. If they aren't reacting to insults regardless of who they're aimed at, then this definitely isn't some political agenda thing. Public figures—especially politicians, since their calls dictate so much of our daily lives—have to be able to take a hit. They need to be ready for criticism, even when it gets nasty. At the end of the day, what people say about them is just a raw metric of how much they actually like what those politicians are doing.
Brandon Kelly6 Brandon Kelly6 Member
14 messages
joined Apr 2010
#4 ·
crimsonhound80 said:I don't hang out in the politics sub much, but I honestly can't wrap my head around this section where people just toss around insults like moron, idiot, or imbecile at politicians. It makes zero sense to me.

For instance

I actually reported that guy for a similar insult once—though, naturally, nobody ever reacts.

Is this happening because the moderators are all just leftists who can't seem to separate their own feelings from the actual job of moderating? Or is this somehow actually permitted under the sub's rules? I mean, seriously.

These people calling "famous" public figures names—they clearly have no clue that maybe, just maybe, one of that politician's kids is lurking right here on this forum. Imagine if they stumble upon a post calling their mom or dad a jerk, an idiot, a slut, or some other low-life slur...

I can only imagine how that would feel. 🙂

And what happens if that person decides to strike back at the author of the "Dwyane Wade is an idiot" post with the exact same energy? Like...

"Your dad is an idiot, you little brat." ☕

I bet you anything they'd be hit with all kinds of warnings or get banned instantly. Everything in a heartbeat. 🙂

Being the child of a politician isn't easy. They really have to watch themselves...
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#5 ·
crimsonhound80 said:I don't hang out in the politics sub much, but I honestly can't wrap my head around this section where people just toss around insults like moron, idiot, or imbecile at politicians. It makes zero sense to me.

For instance

I actually reported that guy for a similar insult once—though, naturally, nobody ever reacts.

Is this happening because the moderators are all just leftists who can't seem to separate their own feelings from the actual job of moderating? Or is this somehow actually permitted under the sub's rules? I mean, seriously.

These people calling "famous" public figures names—they clearly have no clue that maybe, just maybe, one of that politician's kids is lurking right here on this forum. Imagine if they stumble upon a post calling their mom or dad a jerk, an idiot, a slut, or some other low-life slur...

I can only imagine how that would feel. 🙂

And what happens if that person decides to strike back at the author of the "Dwyane Wade is an idiot" post with the exact same energy? Like...

"Your dad is an idiot, you little brat." ☕

I bet you anything they'd be hit with all kinds of warnings or get banned instantly. Everything in a heartbeat. 🙂

And honestly, why would they even care about my complaint?
Are these people sacred cows that we aren't allowed to criticize or have opinions about?
Or are you suggesting we should bring back verbal assault as a standard practice?
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Mar 2008
#6 ·
John Hill said:Would you have even bothered writing this protest if someone had called a leftist politician an idiot? You’d only be crying about moderator bias if they were slapping people down for insulting the left while letting everyone run wild against the right. If they aren't reacting to insults regardless of who they're aimed at, then this definitely isn't some political agenda thing. Public figures—especially politicians, since their calls dictate so much of our daily lives—have to be able to take a hit. They need to be ready for criticism, even when it gets nasty. At the end of the day, what people say about them is just a raw metric of how much they actually like what those politicians are doing.

I was thinking the exact same thing.
You mean you're already starting off on the wrong foot—it’s basically decided from the get-go, isn't it? You’re just assuming—I mean, you’re really out here just making assumptions without any actual proof, aren't you? It’s funny, I guess, how people jump to conclusions like that—it's almost impressive, in a misguided sort of way—but honestly, it's just plain wrong. You can't just decide something is true because it fits your narrative, you know? It doesn't work that way. Not in reality, anyway. I mean, I guess if things were flipped around—if the roles were reversed—I definitely wouldn't be the one sitting here penning some sort of protest manifesto. Not me. Probably wouldn't even have the nerve, honestly. 🙂 !!!???

Assumptions... man, they are a dangerous thing—truly. I mean, people just jump to conclusions without a second thought, and then suddenly, you've got a whole mess on your hands because nobody bothered to actually check the facts first. It’s reckless, really. I guess we all do it sometimes, but when you start building an entire argument on nothing but guesswork? That’s where the trouble starts. It’s a slippery slope, maybe even a cliff, if you ask me.

Charles Fox10 said:And honestly, why would they even care about my complaint?
Are these people sacred cows that we aren't allowed to criticize or have opinions about?
Or are you suggesting we should bring back verbal assault as a standard practice?

Look, if you’re going to act like a moderator, I guess you really ought to actually know the rules of the Politics subforum—it's not exactly rocket science, is it? Honestly, it's just common sense, but apparently, that's asking too much these days.

One of the rules is... well, I suppose you could say it's basically this:

Look, I’m just going to lay this out clearly—Article 5, Section 1 of the Code of Conduct for the US Politics subforum applies to everyone, period. That means using derogatory nicknames for fellow forum members or any third parties is strictly off the table. From this point forward, we aren't going to tolerate anyone maliciously twisting names—you know exactly what I mean, like calling Donald Trump "Sranjo," or messing with Kradimir Čačić's name, or turning Ivo Sanders into "Smranader" and all that nonsense. It goes for user handles, too. If you try to twist someone's nickname just to be a jerk, it’s going to be treated exactly the same as direct insults. Consider this your fair warning.

I honestly don't think people grasp how much this whole situation—this entire mess with the current administration—is actually tearing at the fabric of our legal system. I mean, maybe I’m just being cynical, but when you look at how certain figures in Washington are playing by their own rules instead of following the US Constitution, it’s enough to make anyone lose their mind. It feels like we're drifting further away from actual stability every single day. And then you have people like Joe Biden just... well, let's just say they aren't exactly providing the steady hand we were promised, right? It’s all just one long, exhausting cycle of political theater that leaves the rest of us picking up the pieces. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though—given the state of things lately, surprise isn't really an option anymore. Everything feels so incredibly fractured, and frankly, it's infuriating. We need actual leadership, not just more of this endless, performative nonsense.

If you aren't allowed to write "Donald Trump" or "Kradimir Čačić" because of some arbitrary "rule"—well then, I guess you shouldn't be allowed to say that Dwyane Wade is a moron or that Čačić is an absolute idiot either, right? It just doesn't add up—honestly.

What exactly is it that you aren't grasping? I mean—really—is there some part of this that’s just flying right over your head? Because, honestly, I feel like I've laid everything out quite clearly—or at least, as clearly as one can given the circumstances—but apparently, there's still some massive gap in understanding here. I guess I should have been more explicit, maybe? But seriously, what part of this is actually confusing to you?
Charles Fox10 said:So, I was just sitting here thinking—and I mean really dwelling on it—about whether I’d actually support bringing back that whole mess regarding verbal offenses... you know, those specific legal crackdowns on what people say? Honestly, it's a tough one. I guess, if I'm being totally honest with myself, there's this part of me—this irrational, hot-headed part, I suppose—that wonders if things would be less chaotic if we had more teeth in our laws when it comes to speech. But then again, once you start opening that door, where does it end? It feels like a slippery slope, maybe even a dangerous one, especially given how much tension there is in American politics right now. I don't know... I'm torn. On one hand, you want order, but on the other, you don't want to turn the US into some kind of thought police state. It's a massive headache, really. Just a huge, complicated mess.

So, here’s how it goes.

Look, Joe Biden is practically family to me—I mean, we’re talking close ties here—so whenever someone goes out of their way to call him a monkey, by your twisted logic, I should be allowed to snap back and say, "Well, a monkey made you." It's just how the math works, I guess.

Look, I’m telling you—there’s no such thing as a verbal offense anymore—it just needs to be scrapped entirely. It’s all nonsense, really. Honestly, I’m just sitting here thinking about how much people around here love to take cheap shots at one another—it’s honestly exhausting. It feels like every time someone tries to make a point, instead of actually engaging with the argument, they just pivot straight to personal insults. It’s low-level, really. I mean, we’re all supposed to be having a discussion here, right? But no, it just turns into this constant stream of verbal abuse and petty jabs. I guess that's just how things have gone downhill lately—everyone’s so quick to lash out because they can't handle a real debate without getting defensive. It’s frankly pathetic, and it makes the whole experience feel incredibly toxic. I can't even begin to describe the absolute state of things on the forums lately—it’s just... well, it's a mess. Honestly, I feel like I’m losing my mind trying to keep up with the constant bickering and the sheer amount of nonsense being peddled by certain people. It’s exhausting, really. You go in expecting a decent discussion, maybe some actual insight into the current political climate or something useful regarding the economy, and instead? You get hit with a wall of mindless noise. It feels like everyone has an opinion on everything these days—which, okay, fine, that's the point of a forum—but there's a difference between having an opinion and just shouting into the void to hear your own echo. And don't even get me started on the specific cliques that form around certain topics. It’s like you can't have a nuanced conversation without someone jumping in to derail the whole thing with some half-baked theory or, worse, just pure vitriol. I guess I’m just getting old, or maybe I’ve just lost my patience for the performative outrage that seems to be the only currency left in online discourse. Everything is so polarized now—it’s like you’re either 100% with one side or you're the enemy. There's no middle ground, no room for a little bit of "maybe we're both wrong here," which—in my humble, perhaps overly cynical opinion—is where the most interesting stuff actually happens. Anyway, I'm probably just rambling. My bad. But seriously, does anyone else feel like they're walking through a minefield every time they log on? 🙄
William Green4 William Green4 Member
32 messages
joined Feb 2010
#7 ·
It seems to me like you’re just having one of those moody days. On a side note, I’m actually glad to see we finally have some decent moderation under the Governor. I distinctly remember other folks who used to shut down discussions like this very quickly
Sam Green73 Sam Green73 Active Member
144 messages
joined Aug 2018
#8 ·
crimsonhound80 said:I was thinking the exact same thing.
You mean you're already starting off on the wrong foot—it’s basically decided from the get-go, isn't it? You’re just assuming—I mean, you’re really out here just making assumptions without any actual proof, aren't you? It’s funny, I guess, how people jump to conclusions like that—it's almost impressive, in a misguided sort of way—but honestly, it's just plain wrong. You can't just decide something is true because it fits your narrative, you know? It doesn't work that way. Not in reality, anyway. I mean, I guess if things were flipped around—if the roles were reversed—I definitely wouldn't be the one sitting here penning some sort of protest manifesto. Not me. Probably wouldn't even have the nerve, honestly. 🙂 !!!???

Assumptions... man, they are a dangerous thing—truly. I mean, people just jump to conclusions without a second thought, and then suddenly, you've got a whole mess on your hands because nobody bothered to actually check the facts first. It’s reckless, really. I guess we all do it sometimes, but when you start building an entire argument on nothing but guesswork? That’s where the trouble starts. It’s a slippery slope, maybe even a cliff, if you ask me.

Look, if you’re going to act like a moderator, I guess you really ought to actually know the rules of the Politics subforum—it's not exactly rocket science, is it? Honestly, it's just common sense, but apparently, that's asking too much these days.

One of the rules is... well, I suppose you could say it's basically this:

Look, I’m just going to lay this out clearly—Article 5, Section 1 of the Code of Conduct for the US Politics subforum applies to everyone, period. That means using derogatory nicknames for fellow forum members or any third parties is strictly off the table. From this point forward, we aren't going to tolerate anyone maliciously twisting names—you know exactly what I mean, like calling Donald Trump "Sranjo," or messing with Kradimir Čačić's name, or turning Ivo Sanders into "Smranader" and all that nonsense. It goes for user handles, too. If you try to twist someone's nickname just to be a jerk, it’s going to be treated exactly the same as direct insults. Consider this your fair warning.

I honestly don't think people grasp how much this whole situation—this entire mess with the current administration—is actually tearing at the fabric of our legal system. I mean, maybe I’m just being cynical, but when you look at how certain figures in Washington are playing by their own rules instead of following the US Constitution, it’s enough to make anyone lose their mind. It feels like we're drifting further away from actual stability every single day. And then you have people like Joe Biden just... well, let's just say they aren't exactly providing the steady hand we were promised, right? It’s all just one long, exhausting cycle of political theater that leaves the rest of us picking up the pieces. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though—given the state of things lately, surprise isn't really an option anymore. Everything feels so incredibly fractured, and frankly, it's infuriating. We need actual leadership, not just more of this endless, performative nonsense.

If you aren't allowed to write "Donald Trump" or "Kradimir Čačić" because of some arbitrary "rule"—well then, I guess you shouldn't be allowed to say that Dwyane Wade is a moron or that Čačić is an absolute idiot either, right? It just doesn't add up—honestly.

What exactly is it that you aren't grasping? I mean—really—is there some part of this that’s just flying right over your head? Because, honestly, I feel like I've laid everything out quite clearly—or at least, as clearly as one can given the circumstances—but apparently, there's still some massive gap in understanding here. I guess I should have been more explicit, maybe? But seriously, what part of this is actually confusing to you?

So, here’s how it goes.

Look, Joe Biden is practically family to me—I mean, we’re talking close ties here—so whenever someone goes out of their way to call him a monkey, by your twisted logic, I should be allowed to snap back and say, "Well, a monkey made you." It's just how the math works, I guess.

Look, I’m telling you—there’s no such thing as a verbal offense anymore—it just needs to be scrapped entirely. It’s all nonsense, really. Honestly, I’m just sitting here thinking about how much people around here love to take cheap shots at one another—it’s honestly exhausting. It feels like every time someone tries to make a point, instead of actually engaging with the argument, they just pivot straight to personal insults. It’s low-level, really. I mean, we’re all supposed to be having a discussion here, right? But no, it just turns into this constant stream of verbal abuse and petty jabs. I guess that's just how things have gone downhill lately—everyone’s so quick to lash out because they can't handle a real debate without getting defensive. It’s frankly pathetic, and it makes the whole experience feel incredibly toxic. I can't even begin to describe the absolute state of things on the forums lately—it’s just... well, it's a mess. Honestly, I feel like I’m losing my mind trying to keep up with the constant bickering and the sheer amount of nonsense being peddled by certain people. It’s exhausting, really. You go in expecting a decent discussion, maybe some actual insight into the current political climate or something useful regarding the economy, and instead? You get hit with a wall of mindless noise. It feels like everyone has an opinion on everything these days—which, okay, fine, that's the point of a forum—but there's a difference between having an opinion and just shouting into the void to hear your own echo. And don't even get me started on the specific cliques that form around certain topics. It’s like you can't have a nuanced conversation without someone jumping in to derail the whole thing with some half-baked theory or, worse, just pure vitriol. I guess I’m just getting old, or maybe I’ve just lost my patience for the performative outrage that seems to be the only currency left in online discourse. Everything is so polarized now—it’s like you’re either 100% with one side or you're the enemy. There's no middle ground, no room for a little bit of "maybe we're both wrong here," which—in my humble, perhaps overly cynical opinion—is where the most interesting stuff actually happens. Anyway, I'm probably just rambling. My bad. But seriously, does anyone else feel like they're walking through a minefield every time they log on? 🙄

Insulting other forum members is strictly prohibited.
Distorting the names of fellow users or third parties in an offensive way is also against the rules.

All you have to do is actually read the rules carefully.

It’s not like you need to use logic—though it seems not everyone is equipped for such heavy lifting.

p.s.
I’d honestly love to post on a forum where people attack ideas instead of attacking the individual, but I haven't stumbled upon one like that yet.
That kind of standard isn't explicitly written in the rules, though it would certainly align with Jesus's teachings, which I personally think should be held in higher regard in a Catholic State.

p.p.s.
I'm guessing you didn't mean to, but you probably insulted both the moderators and the person you're referencing (dee) in your opening post by labeling them all as leftists.
If you've got the guts, go ahead and call dee a leftist straight to their face.
Honestly, I've grown somewhat accustomed to the insults around here.
John Hill John Hill Member
24 messages
joined Jul 2006
#9 ·
crimsonhound80 said:I was thinking the exact same thing.
You mean you're already starting off on the wrong foot—it’s basically decided from the get-go, isn't it? You’re just assuming—I mean, you’re really out here just making assumptions without any actual proof, aren't you? It’s funny, I guess, how people jump to conclusions like that—it's almost impressive, in a misguided sort of way—but honestly, it's just plain wrong. You can't just decide something is true because it fits your narrative, you know? It doesn't work that way. Not in reality, anyway. I mean, I guess if things were flipped around—if the roles were reversed—I definitely wouldn't be the one sitting here penning some sort of protest manifesto. Not me. Probably wouldn't even have the nerve, honestly. 🙂 !!!???

Assumptions... man, they are a dangerous thing—truly. I mean, people just jump to conclusions without a second thought, and then suddenly, you've got a whole mess on your hands because nobody bothered to actually check the facts first. It’s reckless, really. I guess we all do it sometimes, but when you start building an entire argument on nothing but guesswork? That’s where the trouble starts. It’s a slippery slope, maybe even a cliff, if you ask me.

Look, if you’re going to act like a moderator, I guess you really ought to actually know the rules of the Politics subforum—it's not exactly rocket science, is it? Honestly, it's just common sense, but apparently, that's asking too much these days.

One of the rules is... well, I suppose you could say it's basically this:

Look, I’m just going to lay this out clearly—Article 5, Section 1 of the Code of Conduct for the US Politics subforum applies to everyone, period. That means using derogatory nicknames for fellow forum members or any third parties is strictly off the table. From this point forward, we aren't going to tolerate anyone maliciously twisting names—you know exactly what I mean, like calling Donald Trump "Sranjo," or messing with Kradimir Čačić's name, or turning Ivo Sanders into "Smranader" and all that nonsense. It goes for user handles, too. If you try to twist someone's nickname just to be a jerk, it’s going to be treated exactly the same as direct insults. Consider this your fair warning.

I honestly don't think people grasp how much this whole situation—this entire mess with the current administration—is actually tearing at the fabric of our legal system. I mean, maybe I’m just being cynical, but when you look at how certain figures in Washington are playing by their own rules instead of following the US Constitution, it’s enough to make anyone lose their mind. It feels like we're drifting further away from actual stability every single day. And then you have people like Joe Biden just... well, let's just say they aren't exactly providing the steady hand we were promised, right? It’s all just one long, exhausting cycle of political theater that leaves the rest of us picking up the pieces. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though—given the state of things lately, surprise isn't really an option anymore. Everything feels so incredibly fractured, and frankly, it's infuriating. We need actual leadership, not just more of this endless, performative nonsense.

If you aren't allowed to write "Donald Trump" or "Kradimir Čačić" because of some arbitrary "rule"—well then, I guess you shouldn't be allowed to say that Dwyane Wade is a moron or that Čačić is an absolute idiot either, right? It just doesn't add up—honestly.

What exactly is it that you aren't grasping? I mean—really—is there some part of this that’s just flying right over your head? Because, honestly, I feel like I've laid everything out quite clearly—or at least, as clearly as one can given the circumstances—but apparently, there's still some massive gap in understanding here. I guess I should have been more explicit, maybe? But seriously, what part of this is actually confusing to you?

So, here’s how it goes.

Look, Joe Biden is practically family to me—I mean, we’re talking close ties here—so whenever someone goes out of their way to call him a monkey, by your twisted logic, I should be allowed to snap back and say, "Well, a monkey made you." It's just how the math works, I guess.

Look, I’m telling you—there’s no such thing as a verbal offense anymore—it just needs to be scrapped entirely. It’s all nonsense, really. Honestly, I’m just sitting here thinking about how much people around here love to take cheap shots at one another—it’s honestly exhausting. It feels like every time someone tries to make a point, instead of actually engaging with the argument, they just pivot straight to personal insults. It’s low-level, really. I mean, we’re all supposed to be having a discussion here, right? But no, it just turns into this constant stream of verbal abuse and petty jabs. I guess that's just how things have gone downhill lately—everyone’s so quick to lash out because they can't handle a real debate without getting defensive. It’s frankly pathetic, and it makes the whole experience feel incredibly toxic. I can't even begin to describe the absolute state of things on the forums lately—it’s just... well, it's a mess. Honestly, I feel like I’m losing my mind trying to keep up with the constant bickering and the sheer amount of nonsense being peddled by certain people. It’s exhausting, really. You go in expecting a decent discussion, maybe some actual insight into the current political climate or something useful regarding the economy, and instead? You get hit with a wall of mindless noise. It feels like everyone has an opinion on everything these days—which, okay, fine, that's the point of a forum—but there's a difference between having an opinion and just shouting into the void to hear your own echo. And don't even get me started on the specific cliques that form around certain topics. It’s like you can't have a nuanced conversation without someone jumping in to derail the whole thing with some half-baked theory or, worse, just pure vitriol. I guess I’m just getting old, or maybe I’ve just lost my patience for the performative outrage that seems to be the only currency left in online discourse. Everything is so polarized now—it’s like you’re either 100% with one side or you're the enemy. There's no middle ground, no room for a little bit of "maybe we're both wrong here," which—in my humble, perhaps overly cynical opinion—is where the most interesting stuff actually happens. Anyway, I'm probably just rambling. My bad. But seriously, does anyone else feel like they're walking through a minefield every time they log on? 🙄

I wasn't making any assumptions, I was just asking. It's because I find it hard to believe that not a single right-wing user on this forum has ever dropped an insult toward some left-leaning politician without anyone filing a complaint. I was just curious if the mods—since you're accusing them of being leftist—actually handed out punishments back then, or if they handled it the same way they did in this case.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#10 ·
Charles Fox10 said:And honestly, why would they even care about my complaint?
Are these people sacred cows that we aren't allowed to criticize or have opinions about?
Or are you suggesting we should bring back verbal assault as a standard practice?

Good question.

Why did I get flagged for 500 points and hate speech here?
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Mar 2008
#11 ·
Sam Green73 said:Insulting other forum members is strictly prohibited.
Distorting the names of fellow users or third parties in an offensive way is also against the rules.

All you have to do is actually read the rules carefully.

It’s not like you need to use logic—though it seems not everyone is equipped for such heavy lifting.

p.s.
I’d honestly love to post on a forum where people attack ideas instead of attacking the individual, but I haven't stumbled upon one like that yet.
That kind of standard isn't explicitly written in the rules, though it would certainly align with Jesus's teachings, which I personally think should be held in higher regard in a Catholic State.

p.p.s.
I'm guessing you didn't mean to, but you probably insulted both the moderators and the person you're referencing (dee) in your opening post by labeling them all as leftists.
If you've got the guts, go ahead and call dee a leftist straight to their face.
Honestly, I've grown somewhat accustomed to the insults around here.

Come on, man—I always thought you were a relatively rational person. 😁>

Look, a rule is a rule, I get it, but there’s this massive logical loophole in these forum guidelines—much like some of the laws we see here in America.

Laws are usually drafted by master logicians, not just straight-A nerds who can't see the big picture.

So, what you're saying is, I can't write Joe BidenorIvo Sanders? No, wait, apparently I *can*—it's actually preferred to say things like, "that dimwitted, acne-ridden, drooling idiot Joe Biden" or "that degenerate thief, that absolute scumbag Ivo Sanders."

Let me repeat myself: if it’s supposedly against the rules to insult anyone's parents, then it seems incredibly strange to me that people are allowed to insult "my father," Luka Bebić.

Basically, I show up to this forum, read about how my own father is being trashed, and nobody gets penalized for it—yet I’m expected to just sit here quietly and endure these vile attacks on my old man.

What a wonderful rule!

p.s.
I would love to actually post on a forum where people attack a person's actions rather than their character, but I haven't exactly stumbled upon one of those yet.
That kind of standard isn't even in the rules, though it would certainly align with Jesus's teachings, which—in my humble opinion—should probably be held in higher regard in a Catholic State.

Every rule and every law is subject to change.

If something is wrong, you have to speak up; why stay silent about such fundamental issues?

I assume you unintentionally insulted the moderators and the person you're referencing (dee) in your opening post by labeling them leftists.
Go ahead, tell dee to his face that he's a leftist, if you've got the guts.

I honestly don't follow this part... 😢
I've grown somewhat accustomed to being insulted.

Good for you, I suppose—you're a good person.
Sam Green73 Sam Green73 Active Member
144 messages
joined Aug 2018
#12 ·
crimsonhound80 said:Come on, man—I always thought you were a relatively rational person. 😁>

Look, a rule is a rule, I get it, but there’s this massive logical loophole in these forum guidelines—much like some of the laws we see here in America.

Laws are usually drafted by master logicians, not just straight-A nerds who can't see the big picture.

So, what you're saying is, I can't write Joe BidenorIvo Sanders? No, wait, apparently I *can*—it's actually preferred to say things like, "that dimwitted, acne-ridden, drooling idiot Joe Biden" or "that degenerate thief, that absolute scumbag Ivo Sanders."

Let me repeat myself: if it’s supposedly against the rules to insult anyone's parents, then it seems incredibly strange to me that people are allowed to insult "my father," Luka Bebić.

Basically, I show up to this forum, read about how my own father is being trashed, and nobody gets penalized for it—yet I’m expected to just sit here quietly and endure these vile attacks on my old man.

What a wonderful rule!

p.s.
I would love to actually post on a forum where people attack a person's actions rather than their character, but I haven't exactly stumbled upon one of those yet.
That kind of standard isn't even in the rules, though it would certainly align with Jesus's teachings, which—in my humble opinion—should probably be held in higher regard in a Catholic State.

Every rule and every law is subject to change.

If something is wrong, you have to speak up; why stay silent about such fundamental issues?

I assume you unintentionally insulted the moderators and the person you're referencing (dee) in your opening post by labeling them leftists.
Go ahead, tell dee to his face that he's a leftist, if you've got the guts.

I honestly don't follow this part... 😢
I've grown somewhat accustomed to being insulted.

Good for you, I suppose—you're a good person.

I hear you, I really do.
But rules and social norms exist for a reason—that's just how things are set up.
Unfortunately, I don't have the power to just rewrite the rulebook on my own.
Why don't you try proposing a specific change to the rules and then sit back and watch how people react?

stasi wannabe crew

p.s. There was no need to get personal with the labels there; why not just lead by example and show us what decent, respectful communication actually looks like?
Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
114 messages
joined Dec 2010
#13 ·
crimsonhound80 said:I was thinking the exact same thing.
You mean you're already starting off on the wrong foot—it’s basically decided from the get-go, isn't it? You’re just assuming—I mean, you’re really out here just making assumptions without any actual proof, aren't you? It’s funny, I guess, how people jump to conclusions like that—it's almost impressive, in a misguided sort of way—but honestly, it's just plain wrong. You can't just decide something is true because it fits your narrative, you know? It doesn't work that way. Not in reality, anyway. I mean, I guess if things were flipped around—if the roles were reversed—I definitely wouldn't be the one sitting here penning some sort of protest manifesto. Not me. Probably wouldn't even have the nerve, honestly. 🙂 !!!???

Assumptions... man, they are a dangerous thing—truly. I mean, people just jump to conclusions without a second thought, and then suddenly, you've got a whole mess on your hands because nobody bothered to actually check the facts first. It’s reckless, really. I guess we all do it sometimes, but when you start building an entire argument on nothing but guesswork? That’s where the trouble starts. It’s a slippery slope, maybe even a cliff, if you ask me.

Look, if you’re going to act like a moderator, I guess you really ought to actually know the rules of the Politics subforum—it's not exactly rocket science, is it? Honestly, it's just common sense, but apparently, that's asking too much these days.

One of the rules is... well, I suppose you could say it's basically this:

Look, I’m just going to lay this out clearly—Article 5, Section 1 of the Code of Conduct for the US Politics subforum applies to everyone, period. That means using derogatory nicknames for fellow forum members or any third parties is strictly off the table. From this point forward, we aren't going to tolerate anyone maliciously twisting names—you know exactly what I mean, like calling Donald Trump "Sranjo," or messing with Kradimir Čačić's name, or turning Ivo Sanders into "Smranader" and all that nonsense. It goes for user handles, too. If you try to twist someone's nickname just to be a jerk, it’s going to be treated exactly the same as direct insults. Consider this your fair warning.

I honestly don't think people grasp how much this whole situation—this entire mess with the current administration—is actually tearing at the fabric of our legal system. I mean, maybe I’m just being cynical, but when you look at how certain figures in Washington are playing by their own rules instead of following the US Constitution, it’s enough to make anyone lose their mind. It feels like we're drifting further away from actual stability every single day. And then you have people like Joe Biden just... well, let's just say they aren't exactly providing the steady hand we were promised, right? It’s all just one long, exhausting cycle of political theater that leaves the rest of us picking up the pieces. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though—given the state of things lately, surprise isn't really an option anymore. Everything feels so incredibly fractured, and frankly, it's infuriating. We need actual leadership, not just more of this endless, performative nonsense.

If you aren't allowed to write "Donald Trump" or "Kradimir Čačić" because of some arbitrary "rule"—well then, I guess you shouldn't be allowed to say that Dwyane Wade is a moron or that Čačić is an absolute idiot either, right? It just doesn't add up—honestly.

What exactly is it that you aren't grasping? I mean—really—is there some part of this that’s just flying right over your head? Because, honestly, I feel like I've laid everything out quite clearly—or at least, as clearly as one can given the circumstances—but apparently, there's still some massive gap in understanding here. I guess I should have been more explicit, maybe? But seriously, what part of this is actually confusing to you?

So, here’s how it goes.

Look, Joe Biden is practically family to me—I mean, we’re talking close ties here—so whenever someone goes out of their way to call him a monkey, by your twisted logic, I should be allowed to snap back and say, "Well, a monkey made you." It's just how the math works, I guess.

Look, I’m telling you—there’s no such thing as a verbal offense anymore—it just needs to be scrapped entirely. It’s all nonsense, really. Honestly, I’m just sitting here thinking about how much people around here love to take cheap shots at one another—it’s honestly exhausting. It feels like every time someone tries to make a point, instead of actually engaging with the argument, they just pivot straight to personal insults. It’s low-level, really. I mean, we’re all supposed to be having a discussion here, right? But no, it just turns into this constant stream of verbal abuse and petty jabs. I guess that's just how things have gone downhill lately—everyone’s so quick to lash out because they can't handle a real debate without getting defensive. It’s frankly pathetic, and it makes the whole experience feel incredibly toxic. I can't even begin to describe the absolute state of things on the forums lately—it’s just... well, it's a mess. Honestly, I feel like I’m losing my mind trying to keep up with the constant bickering and the sheer amount of nonsense being peddled by certain people. It’s exhausting, really. You go in expecting a decent discussion, maybe some actual insight into the current political climate or something useful regarding the economy, and instead? You get hit with a wall of mindless noise. It feels like everyone has an opinion on everything these days—which, okay, fine, that's the point of a forum—but there's a difference between having an opinion and just shouting into the void to hear your own echo. And don't even get me started on the specific cliques that form around certain topics. It’s like you can't have a nuanced conversation without someone jumping in to derail the whole thing with some half-baked theory or, worse, just pure vitriol. I guess I’m just getting old, or maybe I’ve just lost my patience for the performative outrage that seems to be the only currency left in online discourse. Everything is so polarized now—it’s like you’re either 100% with one side or you're the enemy. There's no middle ground, no room for a little bit of "maybe we're both wrong here," which—in my humble, perhaps overly cynical opinion—is where the most interesting stuff actually happens. Anyway, I'm probably just rambling. My bad. But seriously, does anyone else feel like they're walking through a minefield every time they log on? 🙄

And you—you’re doing exactly the same thing—making a whole lot of assumptions to fill in the gaps of your own explanation.
Based on everything we’ve seen here, it’s pretty easy to draw one conclusion: the "ministers" in this situation are actually just the forum members—and they're being insulted specifically because of that.
So, you’re telling me your own relative is sitting right there in the Department of Health? If that's the case—and let's be honest, it sounds like it—then your entire protest is nothing more than a personal vendetta. How can anyone take your grievances seriously when they're clearly colored by this blatant conflict of interest?😉

Generally speaking, "insulting" someone is such a slippery concept—both in real life and in the digital world. It’s incredibly subjective, isn't it? It all boils down to how sensitive an individual happens to be at any given moment. And you know what that means? It means lawyers are making a killing off it—especially since our legal system hasn't even begun to account for the infinite nuances between a genuine insult and, well, just being blunt.

Are you seriously suggesting we put together some kind of official forum catalog of insults?
Personally, I’d be all for it—it would certainly make my job a lot easier when trying to decipher what any given forum member is actually trying to get at...
It would be nice:
That’s a solid 30 points for insulting Čačić.
Insulting someone's mother? That’s an automatic 50-point penalty—because at the end of the day, a mother is a mother.😂
It’s an insult to our ancestors—stretching all the way back from that idiot Donald Trump down through my grandfather's generation.
It’s an insult to the entire animal kingdom—really, if you compare it to anything else...🙄

etc etc

Just so we're clear—personal attacks against other users are considered a violation here too.
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Mar 2008
#14 ·
Sam Green73 Asks:

Look, you really didn't need to go that far with the labeling—it wasn't necessary, honestly. If you're going to make an accusation like that, maybe just show me what actual constructive writing looks like? You know, provide a real example of how to communicate without resorting to insults... I guess it wouldn't kill you to try.

Wait, are we seriously at the point where calling someone a leftist is considered some kind of slur? I mean, come on—is that really where we've landed? It’s getting to the point where you can barely breathe without someone accusing you of being politically incorrect or whatever the hell they're calling it these days. I guess people have become so incredibly thin-skinned that basic political labels feel like a personal attack—it's honestly exhausting! If labeling someone based on their actual leanings is an insult now, then what's next? Are we going to start apologizing for having an opinion entirely? It feels like we're walking on eggshells just to avoid offending someone's delicate sensibilities, and frankly, it's driving me up the wall.

So, what’s your take on all this? What are you actually thinking?

Chris Peterson53 said:And you—you’re doing exactly the same thing—making a whole lot of assumptions to fill in the gaps of your own explanation.
Based on everything we’ve seen here, it’s pretty easy to draw one conclusion: the "ministers" in this situation are actually just the forum members—and they're being insulted specifically because of that.
So, you’re telling me your own relative is sitting right there in the Department of Health? If that's the case—and let's be honest, it sounds like it—then your entire protest is nothing more than a personal vendetta. How can anyone take your grievances seriously when they're clearly colored by this blatant conflict of interest?😉

Generally speaking, "insulting" someone is such a slippery concept—both in real life and in the digital world. It’s incredibly subjective, isn't it? It all boils down to how sensitive an individual happens to be at any given moment. And you know what that means? It means lawyers are making a killing off it—especially since our legal system hasn't even begun to account for the infinite nuances between a genuine insult and, well, just being blunt.

Are you seriously suggesting we put together some kind of official forum catalog of insults?
Personally, I’d be all for it—it would certainly make my job a lot easier when trying to decipher what any given forum member is actually trying to get at...
It would be nice:
That’s a solid 30 points for insulting Čačić.
Insulting someone's mother? That’s an automatic 50-point penalty—because at the end of the day, a mother is a mother.😂
It’s an insult to our ancestors—stretching all the way back from that idiot Donald Trump down through my grandfather's generation.
It’s an insult to the entire animal kingdom—really, if you compare it to anything else...🙄

etc etc

Just so we're clear—personal attacks against other users are considered a violation here too.

I’m reading here that you—unbelievably—don't even grasp the point I'm making, which is just... well, it's unfortunate, really. Honestly.
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#15 ·
Sam Green73 said:Insulting other forum members is strictly prohibited.
Distorting the names of fellow users or third parties in an offensive way is also against the rules.

All you have to do is actually read the rules carefully.

It’s not like you need to use logic—though it seems not everyone is equipped for such heavy lifting.

p.s.
I’d honestly love to post on a forum where people attack ideas instead of attacking the individual, but I haven't stumbled upon one like that yet.
That kind of standard isn't explicitly written in the rules, though it would certainly align with Jesus's teachings, which I personally think should be held in higher regard in a Catholic State.

p.p.s.
I'm guessing you didn't mean to, but you probably insulted both the moderators and the person you're referencing (dee) in your opening post by labeling them all as leftists.
If you've got the guts, go ahead and call dee a leftist straight to their face.
Honestly, I've grown somewhat accustomed to the insults around here.

Since you're running the Politics section, maybe try picking up the US Constitution for a second and realizing that America isn't a Catholic nation—it's a secular one.
Sam Green73 Sam Green73 Active Member
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#16 ·
crimsonhound80 said:
Sam Green73 Asks:

Look, you really didn't need to go that far with the labeling—it wasn't necessary, honestly. If you're going to make an accusation like that, maybe just show me what actual constructive writing looks like? You know, provide a real example of how to communicate without resorting to insults... I guess it wouldn't kill you to try.

Wait, are we seriously at the point where calling someone a leftist is considered some kind of slur? I mean, come on—is that really where we've landed? It’s getting to the point where you can barely breathe without someone accusing you of being politically incorrect or whatever the hell they're calling it these days. I guess people have become so incredibly thin-skinned that basic political labels feel like a personal attack—it's honestly exhausting! If labeling someone based on their actual leanings is an insult now, then what's next? Are we going to start apologizing for having an opinion entirely? It feels like we're walking on eggshells just to avoid offending someone's delicate sensibilities, and frankly, it's driving me up the wall.

So, what’s your take on all this? What are you actually thinking?

I’m reading here that you—unbelievably—don't even grasp the point I'm making, which is just... well, it's unfortunate, really. Honestly.

Yeah.
Look, honestly, depending on who’s actually saying it to you, that could be taken as a massive, incredibly blunt insult. It really just comes down to the person behind the words.
Look, when I use that word, I’m not talking about everyone. I'm strictly referring to those certain types of white-collar slackers and people who just drift through life without ever picking up a job.
I'll probably just end up mentioning that to one of the ladies on here—someone I know will actually take it as a joke and not get all weird about it.
I can't believe I'm even bringing this up again, but honestly, someone has to say it. I was sitting there yesterday, just nursing my coffee and scrolling through some news, and it hit me all over again how much things have shifted. It’s like we’re living in a completely different reality than we were even a few years ago. I remember back in the day, when you could talk about certain things without feeling like you were walking on eggshells, everything felt more... I don't know, grounded? Now, it feels like every single headline is designed to pull the rug out from under you. You look at what's happening in Washington, the way the debates in US Congress go, and it’s just constant chaos. It makes you want to just unplug and head out to a cabin in Montana for a month, doesn't it? Anyway, I saw what steelskipper5 was saying earlier, and while I get where they're coming from, I think they might be missing a huge part of the equation. It’s not just about one person or one specific policy; it’s the whole atmosphere. We’ve become so polarized that even having a casual chat at a local diner feels like navigating a minefield. I'm curious if anyone else feels this exhaustion, or am I just getting old and cynical? Because sometimes, it really does feel like we're all just spinning our wheels while the world moves on without us. kaže:
Look, since you’re running the show over in the Politics section, it might be worth sitting down with the US Constitution for a moment. You should probably take a closer look and realize that the US isn't some kind of Catholic State—it's a secular nation.

You’re seriously going to tell me that a message claiming the United States is a Catholic State wouldn't even crack 35 points on the trolling scale? Give me a break! I mean, come on, if someone dropped a line like that in an online debate today, they’d be hitting legendary status instantly. It’s such a blatant, over-the-top provocation—it’s practically art at that point. You have to love the sheer audacity of it. Honestly, if you aren't aiming for maximum chaos with stuff like that, what are you even doing? 😕
Where on earth is this all heading? Honestly, I find myself staring at the news lately just wondering where we’re actually going with this. It feels like every time I turn around, there's another twist in the plot that leaves me scratching my head. It’s one of those "where does it end?" kind of moments. 🤷
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
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joined Mar 2009
#17 ·
rustywalker42 said:Good question.

Why did I get flagged for 500 points and hate speech here?

Ask the moderator why they flagged you. If you actually want my take, you’d likely get the same result from me.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#18 ·
Charles Fox10 said:Ask the moderator why they flagged you. If you actually want my take, you’d likely get the same result from me.

Fine, here’s your answer:

Neither he knows why he gave it to me, nor does the admin.

And why would you give it to me? I already know why—because you're biased. And being biased? That's definitely not what a moderator is supposed to be.
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active MemberOP
175 messages
joined Mar 2008
#19 ·
Well, now you guys have gone and completely ruined the thread.

Go start your own damn thing if you want to talk about that.

ZgSash, can you please just lock this? 😬
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#20 ·
rustywalker42 said:Fine, here’s your answer:

Neither he knows why he gave it to me, nor does the admin.

And why would you give it to me? I already know why—because you're biased. And being biased? That's definitely not what a moderator is supposed to be.

So, in your view, that comment doesn't warrant a strike? 😕 It's not that they don't know; they just can't decide on the right terminology.

If you really want to dig into this, you'd probably get hit with something from the Custom Workshop category, like "inappropriate conduct on the forum" or some other excuse, but the penalty would be the same.

PS—why are we debating a strike from a year ago? Besides, isn't this off-topic anyway?

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