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Bahrain Grand Prix (Outer Loop) | December 4-6, 2020

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Gregory Brown94 Gregory Brown94 Active MemberOP
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Any music suggestions for listening to while reading the intro theme?

Man, what a race we just witnessed. I can't even bring myself to talk about the Bahrain Grand Prix without getting stuck thinking about that first race and all the individual disasters. I spent most of my intro focusing on Romain Grosjean because he’s really the hero of this story, but then there was Lance Stroll’s crash and that missed podium opportunity for Sergio Perez. Looking back at the very first Bahrain Grand Prix, it actually stands out as the longest dry race in modern Formula 1 history—clocking in at 2 hours and 59 minutes! On the Top 80 list of longest races, that puts it at 37th place. For comparison, the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix holds the top spot at over 4 hours, while the 2016 Brazilian Grand Prix sits at 29th with 3 hours and 1 minute. Further down, the 2010 Korean Grand Prix is at 54th with 2 hours and 48 minutes, and the 2012 Malaysian Grand Prix is 63rd at 2 hours and 44 minutes. That’s basically where modern Formula 1 ends on the Top 80 list for duration. Everything longer than that belongs to those classic marathon races from the 1950–1970 era.

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The most important thing is that Romain Grosjean made it out of there. He's okay, he didn't suffer any broken bones, just some burns. That's all that matters.

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What can we actually expect from the outer loop? Honestly, it looks like it'll be packed with action. Given how many overtakes usually happen between turns 1 and 4, I’m expecting plenty of movement from turn 5 through to the chicane at turns 7 and 8—kind of reminiscent of that race back in 2010. Up until now, turn 4 was always a V-shaped corner, but since it's basically functioning as a chicane now, that changes the whole dynamic.

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Action Zone

My bad for using a Streamable link to share those videos. FOM ended up blocking all seven posts I had lined up on YouTube.

The 2010 Sakhir Grand Prix was held on the Endurance Circuit, which utilizes turns 5 through 8 along with the outer loop. Because of that layout, it’s really the only way to get a feel for what the drivers—and honestly, us viewers—can expect. I wanted to make sure I gathered as much info as possible to give you guys a better idea of the setup. I went back and watched the race, and I managed to pull together 7 interesting moments:

Turns 1 through 9.

2010—Taking a look at that section from above. You hit turn 5 first, which leads right into what are essentially two back-to-back chicanes. Turn 7 is a real nightmare because you're braking and turning at the exact same time, and then you've got that straight chicane followed by a slight bend at turn 9.

https://streamable.com/r0875l

The turns 1 through 4 complex.

2010—Hulkenberg versus Heikki Kovalainen. Just like you see in any standard racing section, a driver who loses their spot at turn 1 can easily claw it back by turn 4.

https://streamable.com/29al7v

Turn 4.

2010—Glock versus Heikki Kovalainen. In this clip, Glock puts a bit of pressure on Kovalainen heading into turn 5. It's just one of those moves to help secure a freshly snatched position.

https://streamable.com/4j4zi7

2010—Mark Webber versus Sebastien Buemi. Coming out of the pits, Webber just breezes right past Buemi. No contest.

https://streamable.com/avncsb

2010—Kubica versus Buemi. Just another textbook example of an overtake at turn 4 2010.

https://streamable.com/nxd38n

Turns 6-8 complex

2010—Nico Hulkenberg loses control under pressure in turn 7 and spins + bonus retirement for Lucas di Grassi.

https://streamable.com/mah73v

Turns 10 and 11

2010—Sebastien Buemi fighting Hulkenberg. You don't expect much overtaking through these two turns, but if someone loses traction exiting this complex—whatever the cause might be—it pretty much means losing ground to whoever is breathing down their neck at the start/finish line. For instance, a mistake exiting the chicane could prove costly before turn 10 or the first turn of the next lap.

https://streamable.com/eekik1

Pirelli is bringing the C2-C4 again, and the number of sets remains the same as last race.

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McLaren secured a nice cushion over Racing Point thanks to those solid results in Bahrain. Racing Point really had a rough run with those unbelievable retirements, and looking at the driver standings, that third team—specifically Ricciardo—has actually profited the most.

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You can see just how tight everything is regarding fourth place. In fact, Sainz, Norris, and Albon are all slowly closing in on Leclerc, or rather, Perez and Ricciardo. I'm expecting Leclerc to drop in the standings because the outer loop is just going to eat up anyone with a traction deficit, though you never know. Nobody saw that bizarre Bahrain weekend coming. Anything can happen.

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The race schedule has been pushed late into the night local time, so please keep an eye on that. We’re looking at another dry weekend, obviously, but that won't stop the action. We're wishing Romain Grosjean a speedy recovery; it's not out of the question that we'll see him in Abu Dhabi, assuming there are no broken bones. It all depends on how those burns heal.
silverviper44 silverviper44 Active Member
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George Russell takes fastest lap.

Who was it that claimed the driver actually matters??

Forget the driver. It’s all about the car, the car, the car, and then maybe—just maybe—the driver.
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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ruggedhawk20 said:Well then—go invite the President over for a BBQ.

That'd be about right.

I suppose even I haven't lost my grip on reality just yet.🙏

@Pilatus, you don't even believe those Lewis Hamilton fairy tales anymore; you've outgrown them.
bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
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Alex Barnes93 said:Driver salaries don't count toward the cap.

And while there’s no cap to worry about, Mercedes is just quietly pouring massive resources into a new car, especially since their current one is basically in a league of its own, whereas everyone else is stuck without that kind of luxury.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
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Pietro Fittipaldi is stepping in for Romain Grosjean for the Sakhir Grand Prix
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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Bottas
William Gomez5 William Gomez5 Active Member
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Charles loves playing torpedo with people; honestly, it’s not even his first time doing this. I’m leaning more toward him being the one at fault here rather than Sergio Perez

but man, Mercedes 🙏 really needs to figure out how to stop sabotaging their own drivers like this

the haters would probably claim—the second Louie isn't around, suddenly everything is "problems"
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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Jason Campbell70 said:Thanks.
It isn't because the race outcome robbed you of enough drama to fuel endless debates and mental gymnastics.
No, you're staying quiet simply because you're being considerate and kind.
Thanks, Tibi. 🙂

Not really my thing...☕

Was I messing with you when your favorite MSC was struggling out there on track?
Nah, I just affectionately called him Grandpa and spent every single weekend making excuses for him. 😁

Was I messing with you when Alonso was stuck in that junk McLaren? No, even though I could barely hold back.

Am I gonna mess with you now that you're pulling for Lewis Hamilton? Nope, because after today, everything is crystal fucking clear...
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
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It’s like they say—it’s always darkest before the dawn. I just hope the driver is actually ready for what's likely his final outing in Formula 1, Abu Dhabi.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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Unfortunately, I'm stuck listening to these two idiots at the arena too.
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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silverviper44 said:Nice one. 👍 👍

How much did you pull in?

Nothing at all—I actually threw another couple bucks on some other bets that didn't pan out...
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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Alex Barnes93 said:Driver salaries don't count toward the cap.

If my previous post came across that way, then I suppose I didn't express myself very clearly, because I definitely wasn't including those salaries in the cap calculations.

Since it looks like The Bear has organized things so efficiently, they might actually have to spend a whole lot more money next year than they have in recent seasons just to hit that limit.😁
John Ortiz4 John Ortiz4 Member
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This track is superior to the current one; it’s going to be much faster...
Alex Barnes93 Alex Barnes93 Active Member
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silverviper44 said:George Russell takes fastest lap.

Who was it that claimed the driver actually matters??

Forget the driver. It’s all about the car, the car, the car, and then maybe—just maybe—the driver.

Oh, sure, because the car is just *so* important (and definitely comes before the driver). I mean, if that were actually true, George Russell would be out there grabbing P1 or P2 in that Williams Racing whip. Or Charles Leclerc would be winning everything again this year just like he did last season. Or... [insert endless list here]

Jason Campbell70 said:Unfortunately, I'm stuck listening to these two idiots at the arena too.

https://www.streameast.live/formula-...ir-grand-prix/
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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stormytiger4 said:Honestly, it’s time for Lewis Hamilton to just call it quits and head into retirement. As for Valtteri Bottas, he should probably jump ship to some random backmarker team in the States. Then, come next season, we can finally see Sergio Perez and George Russell in the Mercedes-AMG seats. Or, if we want to get really wild with it, put Bottas back in there, swap Russell for him, and stick Perez in instead of Alexander Albon.

I honestly don't think there is any chance Lewis Hamilton will ever leave until he manages to grab that 8th championship title for himself.😁
bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
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stormybadger8 said:Not really my thing...☕

Was I messing with you when your favorite MSC was struggling out there on track?
Nah, I just affectionately called him Grandpa and spent every single weekend making excuses for him. 😁

Was I messing with you when Alonso was stuck in that junk McLaren? No, even though I could barely hold back.

Am I gonna mess with you now that you're pulling for Lewis Hamilton? Nope, because after today, everything is crystal fucking clear...

What does Hamilton even have to do with this race? 🤔
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#5 ·
With an even more tedious layout on this track, wouldn't you agree that it just makes for an even easier victory for Mercedes?
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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It was pretty funny when Vettel mentioned during the last race that Charles Leclerc was basically an Indian...
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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mellowtiger83 said:I suppose even I haven't lost my grip on reality just yet.🙏

@Pilatus, you don't even believe those Lewis Hamilton fairy tales anymore; you've outgrown them.

The Hamilton haters are working overtime even when he isn't on the track... honestly, that just proves he's the greatest to ever sit in an F1 car...
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
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Kenneth Cruz67 said:If my previous post came across that way, then I suppose I didn't express myself very clearly, because I definitely wasn't including those salaries in the cap calculations.

Since it looks like The Bear has organized things so efficiently, they might actually have to spend a whole lot more money next year than they have in recent seasons just to hit that limit.😁

Hoce, for the 2022 car, where they'll enter a new era just like they did for this one.☕
The real question is which of these young drivers—with George Russell as the heavy favorite—will actually get the privilege of driving the better car...

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