Bahrain Grand Prix (Outer Loop) | December 4-6, 2020

God, please—let's get Esteban Ocon a win just so Fernando finally lands in a winning car next year.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Well, I suppose that might be true, but

If you look closer, Lewis really outclassed Button in qualifying, especially since Lewis managed to grab pole positions throughout the year while Button didn't, and even when Button wasn't grabbing podiums, Lewis was usually still finishing quite respectably, so there is a bit more to the story than just those numbers.

In fact, I believe the only drivers who really managed to push Lewis aside that year were Felipe Massa in Singapore, Monaco, Silverstone, India, and Japan.

Does anyone else happen to remember that stretch? :zubo

I honestly can't imagine why it would be so incredibly difficult to wrap one's head around a simple table with maybe seven or eight columns.🤔

So, all those killer qualifying sessions didn't actually turn into anything useful—no points, no movement in the standings, nothing. It’s like he had exactly as much luck as Valtteri Bottas did today... which is to say, absolutely zero. Just total bust.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Well, I suppose that might be true, but

If you look closer, Lewis really outclassed Button in qualifying, especially since Lewis managed to grab pole positions throughout the year while Button didn't, and even when Button wasn't grabbing podiums, Lewis was usually still finishing quite respectably, so there is a bit more to the story than just those numbers.

In fact, I believe the only drivers who really managed to push Lewis aside that year were Felipe Massa in Singapore, Monaco, Silverstone, India, and Japan.

Does anyone else happen to remember that stretch? :zubo

I honestly can't imagine why it would be so incredibly difficult to wrap one's head around a simple table with maybe seven or eight columns.🤔

That’s just straight-up cap, honestly. Like, let's look at the actual numbers here. Jenson Button’s absolute worst finish was 6th place—he did that three times. Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton is out here grabbing 8th and 7th places, and somehow his fans act like those are "solid finishes." But if Jenson pulls a 4th or a 6th? Suddenly everyone's acting like he's nowhere to be found. It's wild how people twist things like that!

With 87 laps to go and lap times staying under a minute, I guess the track congestion might be an issue, and maybe the pit crews will end up being the real deciding factor during those tire changes

Russell is absolutely right

Here is yet another table that, if you think about it, might actually be the only thing that truly matters in this whole discussion, and once again, we see Lewis Hamilton sitting right at the very top!

1 Lewis Hamilton - $489 Million.
2 Michael Schumacher - $464 Million. ...
3 Fernando Alonso - $458 Million. ...
4 Sebastian Vettel - $358 Million. ...
5 Kimi Räikkönen - $331 Million. ...
6 Jenson Button - $147 Million. ...
7 Ralf Schumacher - $121 Million. ...
8 Jacques Villeneuve - $115 Million. ...

fadedwalker18 said:I'm officially done with this "GOAT" nonsense. He's just as tiny as his ego.

☕

Actually, it's the exact opposite. These Italians are full of themselves

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Grande Ragazzo - piccolo Cazzo

silverviper44 said:Jobote, Russell beat Bottas again.

I mean, Bottas is probably going to get his ass kicked; this feels like his luck has finally run out.

Hardly—he’s far too useful as a shield for the lead driver to be tossed aside.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:I don't think Lewis Hamilton actually made a mistake there; it honestly feels more like Felipe Massa was just on a mission of his own! 😁

I guess I have to wonder, are we actually attempting to provide some sort of objective value judgment here, or are we all just cheering for our favorites?

I guess if we aren't going to beat around the bush, I’d love to hear what you think, because I honestly find myself wondering who you would personally pick as the superior driver and the more successful competitor in the world of Formula 1?

I find myself constantly weighing this one in my mind, though I suppose there isn't really a single right answer, is there? If you're asking me whether I'd rather see Jenson Button or Lewis Hamilton take the glory, it’s such a tough call! On one hand, you have the sheer, effortless brilliance of Lewis Hamilton, which is just staggering to watch, but then you have Jenson Button's incredible finesse and that smooth style that always seemed to make racing look so easy. It’s a bit of a toss-up for me, I guess, depending on what kind of driving you personally find more captivating!

If you find yourself in a position where your front tire makes contact with a rival's rear tire while navigating the track, haven't you essentially committed a fundamental error that effectively dismantles the race for both yourself and your competitor? Is it not true that such an incident serves to ruin the competitive integrity of the moment for everyone involved?

Kenneth Cruz67 said:I don't think Lewis Hamilton actually made a mistake there; it honestly feels more like Felipe Massa was just on a mission of his own! 😁

I guess I have to wonder, are we actually attempting to provide some sort of objective value judgment here, or are we all just cheering for our favorites?

I guess if we aren't going to beat around the bush, I’d love to hear what you think, because I honestly find myself wondering who you would personally pick as the superior driver and the more successful competitor in the world of Formula 1?

I find myself constantly weighing this one in my mind, though I suppose there isn't really a single right answer, is there? If you're asking me whether I'd rather see Jenson Button or Lewis Hamilton take the glory, it’s such a tough call! On one hand, you have the sheer, effortless brilliance of Lewis Hamilton, which is just staggering to watch, but then you have Jenson Button's incredible finesse and that smooth style that always seemed to make racing look so easy. It’s a bit of a toss-up for me, I guess, depending on what kind of driving you personally find more captivating!

Lewis Hamilton. It’s a nuanced point, isn't it? One might argue that Jenson Button never once hesitated to acknowledge who the greatest driver of his era truly was, which highlights the core of the issue surrounding Lewis Hamilton. Is it perhaps because he hasn't always been paired with the absolute pinnacle of driving talent within the same car—with the possible exception of 2007, I suppose—yet somehow still finds himself losing races to drivers who simply don't belong in that conversation? If we look at Michael Schumacher, for instance, that particular struggle didn't really manifest until his first retirement; by the time he made his comeback, age had already begun to take its toll. Still, even if we consider all that, can we honestly say that Schumacher was the GOAT?

You could also say Minchia—pronounced like "minkja"—but then you lose the rhyme

The Finnish commentators are suggesting there might be a DSQ for Russell once the final results are in.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Here is yet another table that, if you think about it, might actually be the only thing that truly matters in this whole discussion, and once again, we see Lewis Hamilton sitting right at the very top!

1 Lewis Hamilton - $489 Million.
2 Michael Schumacher - $464 Million. ...
3 Fernando Alonso - $458 Million. ...
4 Sebastian Vettel - $358 Million. ...
5 Kimi Räikkönen - $331 Million. ...
6 Jenson Button - $147 Million. ...
7 Ralf Schumacher - $121 Million. ...
8 Jacques Villeneuve - $115 Million. ...

If we’re going by this kind of logic, Michael Jordan is basically a massive flop in the basketball world because his entire career earnings don't even touch what some players pull in during a single six-year contract lately. It's wild.



https://www.basketball-reference.com...jordami01.html

By that same ridiculous standard, Al Horford is somehow 2.02 times "better" than MJ just because his paycheck is so much bigger: https://www.basketball-reference.com...horfoal01.html

So, I find myself wondering, just how much of an edge does this Mercedes-Benz actually hold over its rivals...
And then, I have someone attempting to convince me that they aren't 🙄

ruggedhawk20 said:God, please—let's get Esteban Ocon a win just so Fernando finally lands in a winning car next year.

🙏🙏🙏

🤣🤣🤣

graniteharbor502 said:If you find yourself in a position where your front tire makes contact with a rival's rear tire while navigating the track, haven't you essentially committed a fundamental error that effectively dismantles the race for both yourself and your competitor? Is it not true that such an incident serves to ruin the competitive integrity of the moment for everyone involved?

Lewis Hamilton. It’s a nuanced point, isn't it? One might argue that Jenson Button never once hesitated to acknowledge who the greatest driver of his era truly was, which highlights the core of the issue surrounding Lewis Hamilton. Is it perhaps because he hasn't always been paired with the absolute pinnacle of driving talent within the same car—with the possible exception of 2007, I suppose—yet somehow still finds himself losing races to drivers who simply don't belong in that conversation? If we look at Michael Schumacher, for instance, that particular struggle didn't really manifest until his first retirement; by the time he made his comeback, age had already begun to take its toll. Still, even if we consider all that, can we honestly say that Schumacher was the GOAT?

Well, there you have it! I honestly feel like there isn't even any real need to keep this discussion going further at all. 👍

graniteharbor502 said:So, I find myself wondering, just how much of an edge does this Mercedes-Benz actually hold over its rivals...
And then, I have someone attempting to convince me that they aren't 🙄

Chill out, man. FP1 isn't even over yet.

Dana Murphy4 said:I guess Mercedes-Benz never makes a mistake? Let's go, Sergio

I mean, I guess if Hamilton was behind the wheel today, they wouldn't have messed up. I'm pretty sure of it.

Look, Bottas, I actually like you—mostly just because of how much Hamilton does for the team—but man, this is honestly just pathetic...

wanderingdriver68 said:I can’t quite recall the last time Mercedes handed themselves such a massive blunder on a silver platter, and honestly, it's a bit suspicious how this mess unfolded right when Lewis Hamilton wasn't even around, isn't it? 😁 I still have that mental image from earlier in the season—you know, that wild moment where he somehow limped across the finish line on three wheels just to edge out Max Verstappen... At the end of the day, Lewis Hamilton is an undeniably brilliant driver, even if his personality drives me absolutely nuts, and I find myself increasingly irritated by this strange streak of "sporting luck" that seems to follow him everywhere he goes.. 🙂

It’s a shame for George Russell, but I have to say, I’m genuinely thrilled for Sergio Perez finally grabbing that first win. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him landing a seat over at Red Bull Racing next year.

It happened at Hockenheim during their own anniversary. Another mess up.
The only difference back then was that nobody was claiming Mercedes staged the whole thing, unlike what we're hearing about this race.😵

wanderingdriver68 said:I can’t quite recall the last time Mercedes handed themselves such a massive blunder on a silver platter, and honestly, it's a bit suspicious how this mess unfolded right when Lewis Hamilton wasn't even around, isn't it? 😁 I still have that mental image from earlier in the season—you know, that wild moment where he somehow limped across the finish line on three wheels just to edge out Max Verstappen... At the end of the day, Lewis Hamilton is an undeniably brilliant driver, even if his personality drives me absolutely nuts, and I find myself increasingly irritated by this strange streak of "sporting luck" that seems to follow him everywhere he goes.. 🙂

It’s a shame for George Russell, but I have to say, I’m genuinely thrilled for Sergio Perez finally grabbing that first win. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him landing a seat over at Red Bull Racing next year.

If this had happened to any other driver, say Sebastian Vettel, the forums would be filled with theories about how he's the glue holding everything together, his kryptonite, or how the team loses its edge without him.

But when it's Lewis Hamilton, it's a different story. Everyone claims it's all scripted and pre-arranged. Honestly, it makes watching pretty difficult.🙂

Besides, the arguments here drag on forever, and these championship titles feel worth less than two FP2 sessions at the end of a season. All this coming from people trying too hard to act like experts.🤦

wanderingdriver68 said:I can’t quite recall the last time Mercedes handed themselves such a massive blunder on a silver platter, and honestly, it's a bit suspicious how this mess unfolded right when Lewis Hamilton wasn't even around, isn't it? 😁 I still have that mental image from earlier in the season—you know, that wild moment where he somehow limped across the finish line on three wheels just to edge out Max Verstappen... At the end of the day, Lewis Hamilton is an undeniably brilliant driver, even if his personality drives me absolutely nuts, and I find myself increasingly irritated by this strange streak of "sporting luck" that seems to follow him everywhere he goes.. 🙂

It’s a shame for George Russell, but I have to say, I’m genuinely thrilled for Sergio Perez finally grabbing that first win. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him landing a seat over at Red Bull Racing next year.

I respect that, but I also believe you have to create your own luck.

Well, Russell jumps straight to the front. Maybe they should have just given him the seat back in 2021 instead? 🙂

Drive that Bear cassette straight to victory

Alex Barnes93 said:If we’re going by this kind of logic, Michael Jordan is basically a massive flop in the basketball world because his entire career earnings don't even touch what some players pull in during a single six-year contract lately. It's wild.



https://www.basketball-reference.com...jordami01.html

By that same ridiculous standard, Al Horford is somehow 2.02 times "better" than MJ just because his paycheck is so much bigger: https://www.basketball-reference.com...horfoal01.html

Well, that isn't actually his total career earnings. If you take the time to add up all those massive sponsorship deals—and honestly, if you just look at his deal with Nike alone—😁

The estimates for him are somewhere around two billion dollars and change, I believe. 😁

Kobe Bryant pulled in about 700 million, while LeBron James is sitting at around 500 million, so they aren't even remotely close to the GOAT.