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2009 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne (Central Park)

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Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#741 ·
stormybadger8 said:Fortune favors the bold, right? Look, I’m not exactly his biggest fan, but you have to hand it to him—that was some seriously smart, solid driving today. A hell of a lot better than what most of these guys are pulling off lately.☕

If anyone deserves a break, it’s Button and Barrichello.☕

Brawn GP is so dominant it’s actually ridiculous. And yet, they still managed to nearly blow the whole thing. Neither of them had a lick of luck out there during the race. Honestly, who knows how that would have ended if things had gone differently.☕

If Sebastian Vettel hadn't screwed up, Button wouldn't have even stood on that podium, let alone Barrichello potentially grabbing any points at all. Instead, Rosberg dropped four spots in just a lap or two.

If Kimi Raikkonen had managed to outpace Jenson Button during qualifying, he would have been sitting right there on pole position.
🙏

What kind of nonsense is this? Button controlled the entire race, maintaining a solid five-second gap from start to finish. Honestly, they nearly blew it all with that ridiculous tire strategy. And even then, one has to wonder: would Robert Kubica have actually caught him and overtaken him during those two laps?

In any given scenario, anyone failing to recognize that Brawn is superior in every single respect is being aggressively biased.

stormybadger8 said:http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-grid-penalty/

This penalty is pure stupidity. 🙄 I mean, fine, give Red Bull a penalty for driving on three wheels, but handing out penalties for racing incidents? That’s just idiotic. 🙄

Technically, Vettel bears a bit more blame than Kubica, but you can't honestly say he's the sole reason for the mess. If this is how they want to play it, why wasn't Barrichello penalized? He slammed into Kimi, knocked Alonso onto the grass via Heidfeld, and basically turned the start into a demolition derby because he was caught napping. 🙄

If my memory serves, he took out Kovalainen too. At the end of the day, Brawn is built like a tank, 😲 and even Coulthard rarely smashed into people like that on track.

The FIA 👎👎👎

I mean, let’s be realistic here—how am I supposed to penalize drivers just because they had a poor start?

stormybadger8 said:Not likely.☕

Given this driver lineup, it’s hardly a shock. Today was pure luck. The car is incredible, but these two drivers have zero clue. I hate myself for even saying this, but if Michael Schumacher had been in this cockpit today, he would've lapped the guy behind him by a lap or two, regardless of the SC. This Rubens guy is a total disaster. And honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw such a pathetic second-place finish. Then you've got Button, who looks terrified of his own car—it's like he was driving at half throttle.🤷 Plus, he got lucky with those new SC rules; if things were like last year, he'd be sitting around 7th or 8th.☕

I still don't get that nonsense where everyone had to wait for Button just because he was technically the leader of the lap when the SC came out. He wasn't even on track; he was in the pits. But according to the stats, he was number one since Sebastian Vettel hadn't crossed the start-finish line yet. If it were Button, he probably would've ended up in 7th or 8th after exiting the pits, at least that's how it looks to me.🤷

Does anyone actually have the lap times from just before and after the first SC deployment?🤷

I'm still stuck on why they let the SC pass after Vettel had basically driven a whole lap ahead of it, only to make everyone wait for Button to take the lead.😕

The Safety Car rule works exactly how it's written, and coincidentally, the folks at Brawn know that better than anyone. You really think they would have called Button into the pits if that wasn't the case?
Good grief.
Morgan Murphy7 Morgan Murphy7 Active Member
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#742 ·
Headline in the Sun

Button wins Australian GP

It’s almost as if the folks over at the Sun think it’s somehow their fault that Button managed to take the win.

I don't think I've ever seen a headline more aggressively conservative than this one. 😍😲
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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#743 ·
I don't intend to comment on the race until the dust settles and the official RESULTS are confirmed... However, I was quite taken aback by this sudden onslaught against the current champion... It’s truly unfortunate to see people projecting their frustrations over their own teams' poor finishes by insulting Lewis😕. There is honestly no point in wasting words on such individuals...

It sounds incredibly pathetic to hear all this jealousy directed at Lewis... but if that's how you choose to feel, carry on... For McLaren fans, this was an absolutely stellar race, and we have plenty of reasons to celebrate👍
fadedpanther4 fadedpanther4 Member
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#744 ·
ironfalcon43 said:I don't intend to comment on the race until the dust settles and the official RESULTS are confirmed... However, I was quite taken aback by this sudden onslaught against the current champion... It’s truly unfortunate to see people projecting their frustrations over their own teams' poor finishes by insulting Lewis😕. There is honestly no point in wasting words on such individuals...

It sounds incredibly pathetic to hear all this jealousy directed at Lewis... but if that's how you choose to feel, carry on... For McLaren fans, this was an absolutely stellar race, and we have plenty of reasons to celebrate👍

Did they perform as brilliantly as Ferrari?
Even with that gap, I guess Lewis managed to scrape together a podium finish... though it was really thanks to Trulli's mistake. 😬
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#745 ·
fadedpanther4 said:Did they perform as brilliantly as Ferrari?
Even with that gap, I guess Lewis managed to scrape together a podium finish... though it was really thanks to Trulli's mistake. 😬

It isn't just on Trulli. It’s on all seventeen drivers who finished even lower than he did.
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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#746 ·
fadedpanther4 said:Did they perform as brilliantly as Ferrari?
Even with that gap, I guess Lewis managed to scrape together a podium finish... though it was really thanks to Trulli's mistake. 😬

From what I can gather regarding the standings:

McLaren 6
Ferrari 0

So, there really is no point in comparing the Silver Arrows to a team like that.🤷
fadedpanther4 fadedpanther4 Member
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#747 ·
ironfalcon43 said:From what I can gather regarding the standings:

McLaren 6
Ferrari 0

So, there really is no point in comparing the Silver Arrows to a team like that.🤷

It's true, the points situation favors McLaren.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you're a McLaren driver), those points don't really reflect how unconvincing and struggling McLaren looked over this past weekend.
John Bennett4 John Bennett4 Member
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#748 ·
I should probably point out that the top three finishers were all running Mercedes engines

As for Ferrari.... did they even manage to cross the finish line?

On a side note, McLaren was just hoping to scrape a few points, but instead, they walked away with a 6-0 victory over Ferrari—which is honestly quite an achievement

It’s a total mystery what the people over at Ferrari are actually aiming for—maybe if that ridiculous little goatee of his brings Massin some luck, things might change
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#749 ·
In my view, Ferrari and Renault have been the biggest letdowns, while Toyota and Red Bull stand out as the most impressive surprises. As for the rest of the field, there wasn't much clarity following the testing sessions in Barcelona and Jerez. Toyota looks incredibly fast, and Red Bull is right there with them. We expected speed from those two, sure, but I think they’ve exceeded even our expectations. With McLaren, we already suspected they were a disaster, but both Ferrari and Renault showed much stronger times during testing. Especially Renault.
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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#750 ·
fadedpanther4 said:It's true, the points situation favors McLaren.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you're a McLaren driver), those points don't really reflect how unconvincing and struggling McLaren looked over this past weekend.

The weekend is over, and honestly, most people probably won't even remember it (aside from the winner, of course). It doesn't really matter how things unfolded while the race was happening; what matters is how you cross the finish line at the end... that's the only metric that counts.😉
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#751 ·
Donna Nelson23 said:Here’s the deal with what went down between Trulli and Lewis Hamilton — it’s not like there aren't precedents for decisions like that in history...

🤷I honestly don't get it. It's not like Hamilton outclassed Jarno Trulli, right? 😵 I'm genuinely stumped on how anyone could even justify this.🤷
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#752 ·
John Bennett4 said:I should probably point out that the top three finishers were all running Mercedes engines

As for Ferrari.... did they even manage to cross the finish line?

On a side note, McLaren was just hoping to scrape a few points, but instead, they walked away with a 6-0 victory over Ferrari—which is honestly quite an achievement

It’s a total mystery what the people over at Ferrari are actually aiming for—maybe if that ridiculous little goatee of his brings Massin some luck, things might change

Technically, he didn't score much since Lewis Hamilton finished 3rd after being in 4th. Plus, if my two geniuses hadn't been busy fighting each other (Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica), he would've landed 6th—and there were plenty of other "brilliant" drivers out there too. All in all, great drive by Lewis Hamilton, but he got incredibly lucky. As for McLaren, their form is just unbelievably bad. Given their size, reputation, and massive budget, calling it "catastrophic" might actually be an understatement.😲
fadedpanther4 fadedpanther4 Member
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#753 ·
ironfalcon43 said:The weekend is over, and honestly, most people probably won't even remember it (aside from the winner, of course). It doesn't really matter how things unfolded while the race was happening; what matters is how you cross the finish line at the end... that's the only metric that counts.😉

True enough. At the end of the day, it's the points that count. 😉
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#754 ·
Morgan Murphy7 said:Look, friends, come talk to me once Toyota manages to snatch two championship titles from them.

Give me a break.

I mean, they haven't even managed to secure a single race win yet.😍

And hey—when a team has their own dedicated tire supplier in F1, staying at the top and fighting for titles isn't exactly rocket science... just look at what happened to Renault after Michelin left... they were absolutely crushing it alongside McLaren the year before.
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#755 ·
fadedpanther4 said:Did they perform as brilliantly as Ferrari?
Even with that gap, I guess Lewis managed to scrape together a podium finish... though it was really thanks to Trulli's mistake. 😬

Haha... Lewis Hamilton really is a thorn in everyone's side—let's see if there are any other fans of that nonsense around here who actually believe Glock let Lewis slip through last year in Brazil?

It’s true—right now, the momentum is definitely sitting with McLaren.
Unfortunately—or maybe luckily, if you’re a McLaren fan—those points don't actually hide how much they struggled to find any rhythm this past weekend.

Or is it just that classic Lewis Hamilton level of talent?
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#756 ·
stormybadger8 said:Technically, he didn't score much since Lewis Hamilton finished 3rd after being in 4th. Plus, if my two geniuses hadn't been busy fighting each other (Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica), he would've landed 6th—and there were plenty of other "brilliant" drivers out there too. All in all, great drive by Lewis Hamilton, but he got incredibly lucky. As for McLaren, their form is just unbelievably bad. Given their size, reputation, and massive budget, calling it "catastrophic" might actually be an understatement.😲

You're forgetting that they were still tweaking the car to try and catch Felipe Massa right up until the last race—most of the other teams had already moved on to designing their next car way before this. It'll all click into place eventually, maybe even sooner than the rest of them expect.👍
Jose Taylor17 Jose Taylor17 Member
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#757 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:You're forgetting that they were still tweaking the car to try and catch Felipe Massa right up until the last race—most of the other teams had already moved on to designing their next car way before this. It'll all click into place eventually, maybe even sooner than the rest of them expect.👍

I don't think so... McLaren is completely screwed.☕
John Bennett4 John Bennett4 Member
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#758 ·
stormybadger8 said:🤷I honestly don't get it. It's not like Hamilton outclassed Jarno Trulli, right? 😵 I'm genuinely stumped on how anyone could even justify this.🤷

All of this went down during the safety car period; Truly spun out like a complete amateur, so naturally, Hamilton moved ahead. Once he got back on track, Truly fought his way back past Hamilton to reclaim the spot—honestly, what is there to say about that, other than perhaps it might be time for Truly to consider trading the cockpit for a quiet vineyard somewhere out in Napa Valley.🤷
John Bennett4 John Bennett4 Member
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#759 ·
stormybadger8 said:Technically, he didn't score much since Lewis Hamilton finished 3rd after being in 4th. Plus, if my two geniuses hadn't been busy fighting each other (Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica), he would've landed 6th—and there were plenty of other "brilliant" drivers out there too. All in all, great drive by Lewis Hamilton, but he got incredibly lucky. As for McLaren, their form is just unbelievably bad. Given their size, reputation, and massive budget, calling it "catastrophic" might actually be an understatement.😲

NBA

If my guys hadn't completely messed up with the new car, yours wouldn't have even been in the same zip code—they'd be a full lap behind. 🙄
fadedpanther4 fadedpanther4 Member
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#760 ·
Gary Palmer8 Asks:
Haha... Lewis really is an eyesore. Let's see if there are any other defenders of this nonsense here who actually believe Glock let Lewis off the hook in Brazil last year?

What are you even talking about? 🙄

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