New fan legislation

Hey everyone, since The Administration hasn't put out an update, it looks like the meeting is going to be pushed back—probably not happening until mid-January. In the meantime, please take the time to go through this article by article and share your thoughts. Don't worry about being formal; just write how you talk. Please mark your comments in a different color and send the updated Word doc to:

slobodanavijacima@yahoo.com

Feel free to spread the word across all the major US fan forums.

I've uploaded the Word version of their draft writing authority laws. If someone with a premium account could re-upload it to Dropbox, that would be huge—my link is set to expire after ten downloads.

http://rapidshare.com/files/17452855...acima.doc.html

While we’re stuck waiting around for a response from The Administration, I say we take matters into our own hands. We should send "our" proposal over to be vetted by the heavy hitters—legal scholars at Yale or Harvard, the American Bar Association, HHO, and basically anyone else whose opinion actually carries some weight in this country.

Anonymous said:Hey everyone, since The Administration hasn't put out an update, it looks like the meeting is going to be pushed back—probably not happening until mid-January. In the meantime, please take the time to go through this article by article and share your thoughts. Don't worry about being formal; just write how you talk. Please mark your comments in a different color and send the updated Word doc to:

slobodanavijacima@yahoo.com

Feel free to spread the word across all the major US fan forums.

I've uploaded the Word version of their draft writing authority laws. If someone with a premium account could re-upload it to Dropbox, that would be huge—my link is set to expire after ten downloads.

http://rapidshare.com/files/17452855...acima.doc.html

Here's the link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/17455953...navijacima.rar

So, I just dropped the news over on the Demon and Tornado forums... now I’m just sitting here waiting to see if anyone from the Red Sox or Yankees fan clubs reaches out, and then I'll move on to the next ones.

Anonymous said:So, I just dropped the news over on the Demon and Tornado forums... now I’m just sitting here waiting to see if anyone from the Red Sox or Yankees fan clubs reaches out, and then I'll move on to the next ones.

The Rangers from NYC?

Nah, just some die-hard fans from a small town in rural Alabama...

torcida org.

If anyone here actually registered on their site, could you please drop a screenshot of the news

Nicholas Moore9 said:Nah, just some die-hard fans from a small town in rural Alabama...

Don't even bother with them; the crew from Chicago is way more intense, period.

@deni86

There’s plenty of time before this forum goes dark or gets locked down...
but hey, you can always just go ahead and register yourself. 😁

Alright, I just registered. Now I’m stuck waiting for the activation link, so I was wondering if anyone who's already in could just post the news for me here.

Is torcida.org locked down or what??

Anonymous said:Alright, I just registered. Now I’m stuck waiting for the activation link, so I was wondering if anyone who's already in could just post the news for me here.

Is torcida.org locked down or what??

Yeah, that fan forum has been totally shut down for a long time now.

Shout out to the people actually putting in the work and hiring legal counsel here. You’re some of the few folks who actually take action instead of just running their mouths. Honestly, this thread is the whole reason I even signed up for this forum. Since I'm a bit short on time, here's my two cents...

Section 32a

Any individual subject to a protective order under Section 32, Subsection 1, Paragraph 4, is required to surrender their passport to the local police station no later than 7 days before the game. Furthermore, they must check in at the station no later than 4 hours before kickoff and remain there for two hours until the match concludes...

Here’s my thought: if we already have to hand over our passports a full week before the game (which is total nonsense and could be challenged legally), why on earth do we need to show up at the precinct 4 hours before kickoff? And if we *do* have to show up 4 hours early, why the hell are we forced to sit in a cell for two hours after the game ends? Ivica Todorić can just rent us a helicopter; it’s not like we won't make it to the stadium on time.🙄

So, my suggestion: if they’re going to seize our passports 2 or 3 days before the game anyway, there’s absolutely no reason to make us report to the police station at all.

The "Vory v Zakone" – those notorious figures from the old-school underworld. It’s a deep, dark rabbit hole of criminal hierarchy and unwritten codes that feels like something straight out of a gritty crime drama. [User Name] says:
Huge props to the people actually putting in the work on this and getting lawyers involved. They’re some of the few folks around here who are actually taking action instead of just running their mouths. Honestly, seeing this kind of initiative is exactly why I even signed up for this forum. Since I'm a bit pressed for time, I'll keep my contribution brief...

Article 32a

Under the current fan legislation, anyone subject to a protective order under Article 32, Section 1, Subsection 4 is required to hand over their passport to the local police station no later than seven days before kickoff. Additionally, they have to report to the designated precinct at least four hours before the game starts and remain on-site for two hours following the final whistle.

Here’s my take: if we’re already forced to hand over our passports seven days before kickoff—which is a total joke and could be overturned any second—then why on earth do we still have to check in at the police station four hours before the game? And if we're stuck doing that check-in, what's the point of them having the power to hold us at the station for two hours until the match ends? Honestly, since Ivica Todorić is going to rent us his helicopter, there’s no excuse for us missing the game.🙄

So, here’s my take: if we're already grabbing our passports just two or three days before the big game, there really isn't any point in bothering the local police station with notifications.

This is getting out of hand. We aren't going to sit by while they start seizing passports, and we aren't taking kindly to being forced to check in with the police anymore, either.

Our proposal leans toward the English model. We’re talking about banning someone from entering the stadium and its immediate vicinity if they have a final court ruling against them—under the threat of heavy prison time. Honestly, that’s even tougher than what they do over there. The best part? It avoids all the police harassment, the constant stalking at work or school, or having your entire neighborhood think you're some kind of drug dealer just because you lit a flare. Plus, it would save the police and the courts a massive amount of paperwork and wasted man-hours. ☕

Well, there you have it...

Let's dive back into that controversial Section 32..

Section 32 states,

The municipal court may impose a fine and imprisonment on anyone committing offenses under the fan legislation aimed at preventing disorder at sporting events, alongside protective measures and precautionary orders. These can include: a ban on attending sporting events within the US, a ban on attending US events with mandatory check-ins at local police stations, a ban on attending US events with mandatory detention at police stations, a travel ban involving the surrender of one's passport, or a ban on attending international matches with mandatory detention at police stations.😲😲..

Protective measures under this section cannot last less than 1 year or more than 2 years...

These protective measures can actually be handed down even without a formal sentence being issued😲😲😲. The idiots have written it into law so they can slap you with a restrictive measure without a conviction, and they've made it legally binding. Are all you people who spend your lives arguing about "my dad is tougher than your dad" actually realizing what happens if this passes?????

Now look at Section 34..

For anyone committing a criminal offense under this act, the court cannot issue a ban from sporting events shorter than 1 year or longer than 5 years from the date the judicial decision becomes final—and get this—the time spent serving a sentence doesn't count toward the duration of this ban. Where in the world does it make sense that time spent in custody isn't credited against the sentence??? I'm using our own situation as an example because it's basically the same thing...

There's no doubt about it: the authors of this law graduated from the school of total incompetence..

If this corrupt administration rejects our proposals (which is a given since this amended version is heading straight to the floor for legislative procedure), then giving up on further legal appeals to the Supreme Court or the European Court of Human Rights will mean the death of fan culture and the absolute end of the ultra movement for Americans... This law is strikingly similar to the laws used in Italy. In a massive country of 50 million people with over 100 ultra groups, that kind of law wiped out the entire movement. It’s dead; it just hasn't been unplugged yet. If it can destroy a nation of 50 million, imagine what it'll do to a country of 4.3 million people with only 7 supporter groups spread across a top-tier league...

Hey, Kolembo Care, any more constructive suggestions coming our way?😉

Look, honestly, with these recent stunts, our reputation is already trashed. Any politician in D.C. would love this move more than we do. I’m signing the petition right now at a bar in lanishte, but I’m skeptical about any actual result.🤣...If there had been a real plan, something logical that wasn't just cobbled together over the last year... but this feels like a desperate, "hail mary" Hail Mary pass.
Basically, most of this is on us. Why is it so hard for individuals to just admit that? But no, it’s always the waitress's fault, or the cops won't let you bring beer in—which they haven't for ages, so that's nothing new... just endless, petty nonsense fueled by pure spite, if you ask me.
It was rare enough when the fan clubs actually stood up for their own bullshit and owned it.
And what are you guys even doing in those clubhouses besides crushing hundreds of beers? Are you talking about anything constructive? Making any real plans?
Someone called the law hypocritical? Please. You have no idea how many pages I could write just about the hypocrisy within BBB. One side is busy sucking up to the owner, while others get free tickets—or from what I’ve seen, they shamelessly beg him for drinks after the game, and of course, the big man hands out a few bucks, only for everyone to call him a prick at the next match. Who's the hypocrite here? Start cleaning up your own house and get rid of the dead weight that just shames you and drags you down to the gutter.
Then you've got the crew decked out in designer gear and expensive jackets, coming up to the stadium begging for a ticket. Get lost, you trash... There are way too many freeloaders in the group—I've seen plenty—and I don't know why you tolerate them. Is it because you know them or just because you're all drunk?
As for the cops, it’s not all black and white. (I have my own examples where they actually stepped up, but that's not the point). Let's be real instead of constantly accusing people of exaggerating everything.
Dammit, the police have been provoked for years—everything from ACAB chants to getting flashbangs tossed in their faces from the crowd—so what do you expect? You think they’re going to hand out candy at the gates after you drop a flare or scream ACAB? That's pretty immature.
Do you even remember how the police used to beat people senseless back in the mid-80s? Did you have any rights back then?
Ah, I guess it's too much to ask you to stand behind your own mess and say, "Yeah, that happened." Otherwise, you'll never get organized. Use your heads. Honestly, I don't think those attached photos will do anything at all, and I can explain why if anyone cares.
Good luck to you all!
Cheers!👍

Anonymous said:Let's dive back into that controversial Section 32..

Section 32 states,

The municipal court may impose a fine and imprisonment on anyone committing offenses under the fan legislation aimed at preventing disorder at sporting events, alongside protective measures and precautionary orders. These can include: a ban on attending sporting events within the US, a ban on attending US events with mandatory check-ins at local police stations, a ban on attending US events with mandatory detention at police stations, a travel ban involving the surrender of one's passport, or a ban on attending international matches with mandatory detention at police stations.😲😲..

Protective measures under this section cannot last less than 1 year or more than 2 years...

These protective measures can actually be handed down even without a formal sentence being issued😲😲😲. The idiots have written it into law so they can slap you with a restrictive measure without a conviction, and they've made it legally binding. Are all you people who spend your lives arguing about "my dad is tougher than your dad" actually realizing what happens if this passes?????

Now look at Section 34..

For anyone committing a criminal offense under this act, the court cannot issue a ban from sporting events shorter than 1 year or longer than 5 years from the date the judicial decision becomes final—and get this—the time spent serving a sentence doesn't count toward the duration of this ban. Where in the world does it make sense that time spent in custody isn't credited against the sentence??? I'm using our own situation as an example because it's basically the same thing...

There's no doubt about it: the authors of this law graduated from the school of total incompetence..

If this corrupt administration rejects our proposals (which is a given since this amended version is heading straight to the floor for legislative procedure), then giving up on further legal appeals to the Supreme Court or the European Court of Human Rights will mean the death of fan culture and the absolute end of the ultra movement for Americans... This law is strikingly similar to the laws used in Italy. In a massive country of 50 million people with over 100 ultra groups, that kind of law wiped out the entire movement. It’s dead; it just hasn't been unplugged yet. If it can destroy a nation of 50 million, imagine what it'll do to a country of 4.3 million people with only 7 supporter groups spread across a top-tier league...

This is already part of the current law.

hollowtinker18 said:Look, honestly, with these recent stunts, our reputation is already trashed. Any politician in D.C. would love this move more than we do. I’m signing the petition right now at a bar in lanishte, but I’m skeptical about any actual result.🤣...If there had been a real plan, something logical that wasn't just cobbled together over the last year... but this feels like a desperate, "hail mary" Hail Mary pass.
Basically, most of this is on us. Why is it so hard for individuals to just admit that? But no, it’s always the waitress's fault, or the cops won't let you bring beer in—which they haven't for ages, so that's nothing new... just endless, petty nonsense fueled by pure spite, if you ask me.
It was rare enough when the fan clubs actually stood up for their own bullshit and owned it.
And what are you guys even doing in those clubhouses besides crushing hundreds of beers? Are you talking about anything constructive? Making any real plans?
Someone called the law hypocritical? Please. You have no idea how many pages I could write just about the hypocrisy within BBB. One side is busy sucking up to the owner, while others get free tickets—or from what I’ve seen, they shamelessly beg him for drinks after the game, and of course, the big man hands out a few bucks, only for everyone to call him a prick at the next match. Who's the hypocrite here? Start cleaning up your own house and get rid of the dead weight that just shames you and drags you down to the gutter.
Then you've got the crew decked out in designer gear and expensive jackets, coming up to the stadium begging for a ticket. Get lost, you trash... There are way too many freeloaders in the group—I've seen plenty—and I don't know why you tolerate them. Is it because you know them or just because you're all drunk?
As for the cops, it’s not all black and white. (I have my own examples where they actually stepped up, but that's not the point). Let's be real instead of constantly accusing people of exaggerating everything.
Dammit, the police have been provoked for years—everything from ACAB chants to getting flashbangs tossed in their faces from the crowd—so what do you expect? You think they’re going to hand out candy at the gates after you drop a flare or scream ACAB? That's pretty immature.
Do you even remember how the police used to beat people senseless back in the mid-80s? Did you have any rights back then?
Ah, I guess it's too much to ask you to stand behind your own mess and say, "Yeah, that happened." Otherwise, you'll never get organized. Use your heads. Honestly, I don't think those attached photos will do anything at all, and I can explain why if anyone cares.
Good luck to you all!
Cheers!👍

Explain yourself then

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33my9.jpg
Oakland

Let's keep the photo dump coming

What good are photos? A couple of bruised heads and suddenly it’s automatically the cops' fault—as if that would hold up in a small claims court, let alone anything else... Besides, the police bring in "troublemakers" who are a bit rougher than usual, and then what? You think the cops are going to face trial? Meanwhile, those of us who caused three massive scenes during our last five away games are treated like we're picking daisies😂... were those just some agitators from the die-hard fans?😲
Furthermore, those photos from the stadium don't say much for the fans. There's a squad of cops just sitting there on orders, acting as security for a high-risk game. How many times has a cop taken a hit from a bottle thrown from the crowd? (seen it happen). So how exactly are they supposed to act when they're policing an organization like the BBB? Come on, let's not be hypocrites.
Clean up the trash and the phonies within your own ranks before you start talking. You can't be against the ownership one minute and then sucking up to them or begging for a beer after the game (seen it...) or scrambling for tickets the next.
In short—I've been hit plenty of times by the law, both when I deserved it and when I didn't, but that's just the fan lifestyle that clearly some people can't wrap their heads around. And don't think the cops were all honey and milk back in the mid-80s. (Back then, you couldn't even find anyone to pity you if you got beaten up...) Most of the bad cops are intentionally placed at high-risk games, but you'd be surprised how many times I've been lucky because they looked the other way, though that's not really the point here.
Just remember all those intense ACAB provocations... isn't it a bit hypocritical to complain about police brutality after everything? Either you're playing games or you're playing ninja. Clearly, being a hardcore fan isn't for everyone, so maybe stay out of business you can't handle.
Cheers!👍
Good luck...

Anonymous said:

The "Vory v Zakone" – those notorious figures from the old-school underworld. It’s a deep, dark rabbit hole of criminal hierarchy and unwritten codes that feels like something straight out of a gritty crime drama. [User Name] says:
Huge props to the people actually putting in the work on this and getting lawyers involved. They’re some of the few folks around here who are actually taking action instead of just running their mouths. Honestly, seeing this kind of initiative is exactly why I even signed up for this forum. Since I'm a bit pressed for time, I'll keep my contribution brief...

Article 32a

Under the current fan legislation, anyone subject to a protective order under Article 32, Section 1, Subsection 4 is required to hand over their passport to the local police station no later than seven days before kickoff. Additionally, they have to report to the designated precinct at least four hours before the game starts and remain on-site for two hours following the final whistle.

Here’s my take: if we’re already forced to hand over our passports seven days before kickoff—which is a total joke and could be overturned any second—then why on earth do we still have to check in at the police station four hours before the game? And if we're stuck doing that check-in, what's the point of them having the power to hold us at the station for two hours until the match ends? Honestly, since Ivica Todorić is going to rent us his helicopter, there’s no excuse for us missing the game.🙄

So, here’s my take: if we're already grabbing our passports just two or three days before the big game, there really isn't any point in bothering the local police station with notifications.

This is getting out of hand. We aren't going to sit by while they start seizing passports, and we aren't taking kindly to being forced to check in with the police anymore, either.

Our proposal leans toward the English model. We’re talking about banning someone from entering the stadium and its immediate vicinity if they have a final court ruling against them—under the threat of heavy prison time. Honestly, that’s even tougher than what they do over there. The best part? It avoids all the police harassment, the constant stalking at work or school, or having your entire neighborhood think you're some kind of drug dealer just because you lit a flare. Plus, it would save the police and the courts a massive amount of paperwork and wasted man-hours. ☕

Well, there you have it...

Man, who's actually going to ask you, buddy? Whether you "accept" passport seizures or police check-ins or whatever? How many of you suddenly turned into a massive political assembly overnight?
For example, I ended up in a holding cell just a day before the Inter Miami CF vs. New York Yankees match. They told me it was just to sign some stupid form at the station to say whether I was going to the game. I show up, and suddenly there's an old warrant and I'm straight to Brooklyn for a night... I know people who had it way worse...
Besides, the cops really don't care what your neighbors think—whether you're a dealer, a profiler, or a gambler...