The Breakfast Club (2007)

Roger Allen3 said:And what makes you say that?

If a movie tackles a heavy subject with real weight, I expect a conclusion that carries that same gravity. This ending just felt completely disconnected from everything we’d watched up to that point. Honestly, that sudden jump to the credits felt incredibly rushed—almost like one of those abrupt, poorly edited YouTube clips.

Maybe the goal was to trick the audience into rooting for the massacre, only to force us to question our supposed "pacifist" views once the lights come up. I can see that logic, but it still doesn't change the fact that it felt totally inconsistent with the rest of the film.

Fine, maybe that was the goal. If so, then the movie worked for me.
Still, I think the ending is serious enough. It totally fits the vibe of the rest of the film and it definitely isn't some cheesy Hollywood bullshit. Isn't it possible the ending just hammers home the message? Like, violence only breeds more violence, and you have to find a way to stop it at the root before it just keeps repeating itself?

The real issue with bullying isn't just that violence breeds more violence; it’s the dynamic where one group relentlessly harasses while the other constantly endures. If a movie claims to be about bullying, then reaching this conclusion—while technically accurate—is actually missing the point. If you just sent those kids back to school (without weapons), you’d be left spiraling with questions: how much longer will this last? What can actually be done to stop it? Will the police finally get involved? How far will this go? It becomes an endless loop of anxiety. Instead, this film just caters to a sadistic urge for revenge, drifting away from the actual tragedy of suicides and high school shootings. Real kids, no matter how much they are bullied, don't act like this.

Anyway, the topic is lively now. Maybe we can convince a few more people to watch the film 🙂

Roger Allen3 said:The real issue with bullying isn't just that violence breeds more violence; it’s the dynamic where one group relentlessly harasses while the other constantly endures. If a movie claims to be about bullying, then reaching this conclusion—while technically accurate—is actually missing the point. If you just sent those kids back to school (without weapons), you’d be left spiraling with questions: how much longer will this last? What can actually be done to stop it? Will the police finally get involved? How far will this go? It becomes an endless loop of anxiety. Instead, this film just caters to a sadistic urge for revenge, drifting away from the actual tragedy of suicides and high school shootings. Real kids, no matter how much they are bullied, don't act like this.

Anyway, the topic is lively now. Maybe we can convince a few more people to watch the film 🙂

And here I was, under the impression that trauma was exactly what turned "normal" kids into something else entirely.🤷

You had that wrong.

goldenhound32 said:And here I was, under the impression that trauma was exactly what turned "normal" kids into something else entirely.🤷

Me too.
2 against 1 😁 we win!

Has nobody else on this entire sub watched the movie? 🙂

Lisa Davis46 said:Me too.
2 against 1 😁 we win!

Has nobody else on this entire sub watched the movie? 🙂

Heh... please understand that some people simply don't feel like repeating themselves. They quoted it because they were watching it at the time.

Lisa Davis46 said:Me too.
2 against 1 😁 we win!

Has nobody else on this entire sub watched the movie? 🙂

This thread's been sitting on the front page for a few days now, so I'm sure someone will finally take a look at it soon! 🙂

Ideally, let's find someone who isn't going to be thrilled with how this all ends! 😁

If anyone has a solid link or knows where I can dig up some decent English subtitles for that torrent, please let me know.

You've got several different versions 😉right
here

For me, the ending hit out of nowhere. I mean, it was pretty much a given that those two would absolutely lose their minds after that scene on the beach; you could practically guarantee they wouldn't be showing up to school the next morning like any other day. But honestly, Joseph just doesn't seem like the type to pull something like that. He strikes me as the kind of kid who would head home and just... end it all. As for Kasper, that moment early in the movie where he suggests they both just die—that felt a bit over the top to me. That said, his reaction at the end actually feels more consistent with his character than what we saw from Joseph.

It also strikes me as weird that none of the girls stepped in. In these kinds of high school dramas, there's always some popular girl who'd march right up to the bully and tell him to take it down a notch. It’s honestly baffling to me that nobody showed even an ounce of sympathy for Joseph. 😢

All things considered, though, it's a powerful film. I really loved how Anders doesn't fit the mold of your typical cinematic bully; he doesn't act like someone with deep-seated issues who just lashes out at easy targets. None of the characters feel typical, except, like I mentioned before, Joseph. To me, he perfectly captures that archetype of the misunderstood, suicidal geek.

Roger Allen3 said:And what makes you say that?

If a movie tackles a heavy subject with real weight, I expect a conclusion that carries that same gravity. This ending just felt completely disconnected from everything we’d watched up to that point. Honestly, that sudden jump to the credits felt incredibly rushed—almost like one of those abrupt, poorly edited YouTube clips.

Maybe the goal was to trick the audience into rooting for the massacre, only to force us to question our supposed "pacifist" views once the lights come up. I can see that logic, but it still doesn't change the fact that it felt totally inconsistent with the rest of the film.

What do you mean it doesn't fit? To me, the ending was actually pretty logical based on how things played out—it would’ve been weird if it went any other way. Don't forget, the whole thing is inspired by actual historical delays.link

velvetdrifter86 said:What do you mean it doesn't fit? To me, the ending was actually pretty logical based on how things played out—it would’ve been weird if it went any other way. Don't forget, the whole thing is inspired by actual historical delays.link

Did you even go to school? Was your school full of kids being bullied constantly? Did everyone just logically decide to commit mass violence and then take their own lives? If that were "normal" or "logical," we'd be seeing hundreds of these tragedies every single day because of bullying. 😕

The link you shared mentions he was on antidepressants, which, ironically, can cause suicidal thoughts as a side effect. This actually supports the idea that such measures are often taken by people already prone to mental health struggles. While it isn't a universal rule, the movie didn't do anything to convince me that Joseph and Kasper were capable of something like that.

Roger Allen3 said:Did you even go to school? Was your school full of kids being bullied constantly? Did everyone just logically decide to commit mass violence and then take their own lives? If that were "normal" or "logical," we'd be seeing hundreds of these tragedies every single day because of bullying. 😕

The link you shared mentions he was on antidepressants, which, ironically, can cause suicidal thoughts as a side effect. This actually supports the idea that such measures are often taken by people already prone to mental health struggles. While it isn't a universal rule, the movie didn't do anything to convince me that Joseph and Kasper were capable of something like that.

Yeah, I did.
Not a huge crowd, but there was always someone acting out.
Didn't happen to me personally, but plenty of kids I knew ended up with major issues because of bullying, broken homes, drugs, or getting into trouble. It's wild how hard it is to believe a school shooting could happen in a movie when you see examples of it all over the US and Europe (maybe even Asia too).

Roger Allen3 said:Did you even go to school? Was your school full of kids being bullied constantly? Did everyone just logically decide to commit mass violence and then take their own lives? If that were "normal" or "logical," we'd be seeing hundreds of these tragedies every single day because of bullying. 😕

The link you shared mentions he was on antidepressants, which, ironically, can cause suicidal thoughts as a side effect. This actually supports the idea that such measures are often taken by people already prone to mental health struggles. While it isn't a universal rule, the movie didn't do anything to convince me that Joseph and Kasper were capable of something like that.

You're jumping to conclusions based on one case. I was just trying to show that a scenario like this is super plausible. And saying that people with mental health issues are the only ones grabbing guns? That doesn't fly with me. A person's mental state is shaped by their environment. They adapt and react to what's happening around them. Like, is a kid in Iraq considered mentally ill just because he's handling weapons and shooting at people?

velvetdrifter86 said:Yeah, I did.
Not a huge crowd, but there was always someone acting out.
Didn't happen to me personally, but plenty of kids I knew ended up with major issues because of bullying, broken homes, drugs, or getting into trouble. It's wild how hard it is to believe a school shooting could happen in a movie when you see examples of it all over the US and Europe (maybe even Asia too).

You're jumping to conclusions based on one case. I was just trying to show that a scenario like this is super plausible. And saying that people with mental health issues are the only ones grabbing guns? That doesn't fly with me. A person's mental state is shaped by their environment. They adapt and react to what's happening around them. Like, is a kid in Iraq considered mentally ill just because he's handling weapons and shooting at people?

But I already mentioned above that I've been reading up on the actual causes, so why harp on about it happening again... using an example of someone on antidepressants doesn't really help your case.🤷

velvetdrifter86 said:Yeah, I did.
Not a huge crowd, but there was always someone acting out.
Didn't happen to me personally, but plenty of kids I knew ended up with major issues because of bullying, broken homes, drugs, or getting into trouble. It's wild how hard it is to believe a school shooting could happen in a movie when you see examples of it all over the US and Europe (maybe even Asia too).

You're jumping to conclusions based on one case. I was just trying to show that a scenario like this is super plausible. And saying that people with mental health issues are the only ones grabbing guns? That doesn't fly with me. A person's mental state is shaped by their environment. They adapt and react to what's happening around them. Like, is a kid in Iraq considered mentally ill just because he's handling weapons and shooting at people?

given how you're drawing these kinds of conclusions...

velvetdrifter86 said:Yeah, I did.
Not a huge crowd, but there was always someone acting out.
Didn't happen to me personally, but plenty of kids I knew ended up with major issues because of bullying, broken homes, drugs, or getting into trouble. It's wild how hard it is to believe a school shooting could happen in a movie when you see examples of it all over the US and Europe (maybe even Asia too).

You're jumping to conclusions based on one case. I was just trying to show that a scenario like this is super plausible. And saying that people with mental health issues are the only ones grabbing guns? That doesn't fly with me. A person's mental state is shaped by their environment. They adapt and react to what's happening around them. Like, is a kid in Iraq considered mentally ill just because he's handling weapons and shooting at people?

... and clearly a misunderstanding of the terms I'm discussing...

velvetdrifter86 said:Yeah, I did.
Not a huge crowd, but there was always someone acting out.
Didn't happen to me personally, but plenty of kids I knew ended up with major issues because of bullying, broken homes, drugs, or getting into trouble. It's wild how hard it is to believe a school shooting could happen in a movie when you see examples of it all over the US and Europe (maybe even Asia too).

You're jumping to conclusions based on one case. I was just trying to show that a scenario like this is super plausible. And saying that people with mental health issues are the only ones grabbing guns? That doesn't fly with me. A person's mental state is shaped by their environment. They adapt and react to what's happening around them. Like, is a kid in Iraq considered mentally ill just because he's handling weapons and shooting at people?

.. we should probably just stop this because it has nothing to do with the movie anymore. I didn't like the ending, you did. Everyone else seems to love the film, so you guys go watch it and that's that.🙂

Xerxes, I think you're missing the point because this movie doesn't fit that super dry, textbook definition of bullying you laid out in post 22.
I don't think the filmmakers were even trying to stick to a dictionary definition of bullying

Roger Allen3 said:The real issue with bullying isn't just that violence breeds more violence; it’s the dynamic where one group relentlessly harasses while the other constantly endures. If a movie claims to be about bullying, then reaching this conclusion—while technically accurate—is actually missing the point. If you just sent those kids back to school (without weapons), you’d be left spiraling with questions: how much longer will this last? What can actually be done to stop it? Will the police finally get involved? How far will this go? It becomes an endless loop of anxiety. Instead, this film just caters to a sadistic urge for revenge, drifting away from the actual tragedy of suicides and high school shootings. Real kids, no matter how much they are bullied, don't act like this.

Anyway, the topic is lively now. Maybe we can convince a few more people to watch the film 🙂

Instead, the movie wants to show how violence just breeds more violence. Honestly, man, it hurts that it doesn't fit your specific definition. I'm not sitting there watching a movie with a notepad and a medical textbook on my lap.

restlessranger30 said:For me, the ending hit out of nowhere. I mean, it was pretty much a given that those two would absolutely lose their minds after that scene on the beach; you could practically guarantee they wouldn't be showing up to school the next morning like any other day. But honestly, Joseph just doesn't seem like the type to pull something like that. He strikes me as the kind of kid who would head home and just... end it all. As for Kasper, that moment early in the movie where he suggests they both just die—that felt a bit over the top to me. That said, his reaction at the end actually feels more consistent with his character than what we saw from Joseph.

It also strikes me as weird that none of the girls stepped in. In these kinds of high school dramas, there's always some popular girl who'd march right up to the bully and tell him to take it down a notch. It’s honestly baffling to me that nobody showed even an ounce of sympathy for Joseph. 😢

All things considered, though, it's a powerful film. I really loved how Anders doesn't fit the mold of your typical cinematic bully; he doesn't act like someone with deep-seated issues who just lashes out at easy targets. None of the characters feel typical, except, like I mentioned before, Joseph. To me, he perfectly captures that archetype of the misunderstood, suicidal geek.

Exactly! And that scene where that foolish girl attacks Casper just because he stood up for him—showing she actually cares about him more than her—🤮 what an entitled, heartless brat.
I was literally speechless a few times during the movie. I wasn't exactly rooting for them by the end, but I didn't feel a shred of pity for them either (except for the girl who just happened to be standing in front of that whole mess). They were just awful. And honestly, that's a compliment. I've seen plenty of stuff like this in real life, and most of us have, but nothing comes close to this. It’s nothing like how absolutely everyone acted like this pack of snobs, where not one person stood up or even expressed disapproval toward that behavior. 🙄It was a total nightmare.

Can someone please DM me a link to a decent torrent? I've been stuck downloading this one for three days straight and I'm honestly just over it.

swiftcrane96 said:Can someone please DM me a link to a decent torrent? I've been stuck downloading this one for three days straight and I'm honestly just over it.

If you're watching movies through BS Player, just hit Ctrl plus the arrow keys to sync up the subtitles. That's how I handle it and it works perfectly fine.

Honestly, I didn't even bother watching the movie or downloading it. It doesn't really matter, though—those fake torrents just completely killed my motivation to watch anything at all.

xeoncro, check your DMs 😉