Wrong Turn

Not necessarily. You can't really argue about taste, because taste is entirely subjective—it’s just who you are. But you can definitely debate how a film is perceived as a piece of work, since there are so many different factors at play beyond just whether or not you personally enjoyed it...

So, what I'm saying is, Wrong Turn is a great movie; it's brilliantly shot and the tension is absolutely intense. 👍

really convincing 🙂

and Eliza Dushka is 🙂just

Brian Williams said:Not really. You can't argue about taste because taste is subjective to the individual, but you can definitely debate the perception of the film itself. There are way more factors involved there than just whether or not you personally liked it...

which basically boils down to... arguing about tastes.

Brian Williams said:Look, if I say Wrong Turn is a great movie, I mean it was EXCELLENTLY filmed and TOTALLY INTENSE 👍

It’s honestly a miracle it isn't on any "best of" lists yet... it has to be some kind of conspiracy. I don't see any other explanation...

Whenever I find myself vibing with a movie that’s... let's say, questionable in quality—I just lean into it. My subjective take? *Zombie Holocaust* is the greatest horror flick ever made. And honestly, 😁 because by this time tomorrow, my opinion will have shifted entirely to *Necromantik*. 😁😁😁

Brian Williams said:Look, let me be clear: Wrong Turn is a great movie. It’s shot beautifully and the tension is absolutely relentless. 👍

Sure, I found Lady to be tense once... 😂 😂

Look, you might not be a fan of The Ring, but one of its best qualities is just how bone-chilling it is (and let's be honest, it was beautifully shot 👍). This movie? It’s incredibly tense and built so well... I don't really care what similar movies came out before it, because this one is just a masterclass in execution 👍

It seems like you're looking for something else in movies, and I'm becoming increasingly "convinced" that your interest is tied pretty narrowly to nothing but guts being ripped out.

No disemboweled organs & Constantine cries.

HU HU...

🙂

Brian Williams said:Look, you clearly don't appreciate The Ring, but one of its defining qualities is just how deeply unsettling it is... not to mention that it's exceptionally well-shot... 👍 The tension in this one is incredible, and the pacing is masterfully handled... I don't really care how many similar films came before it; this particular piece is exceptionally well-made... 👍

You’re looking for something else in movies, and I’m becoming increasingly "convinced" that it has very little to do with disemboweled guts...

No spilled guts, and Constantine is actually crying...

HU HU...

🙂

😂 😂 😂 You really gave me a good laugh...
Look, we are clearly from two completely different generations. I have always gravitated toward the old-school classics—stuff like The Pack, The Thing, Proteus, the Evil Dead series, the House of Wax original, or Day of the Dead. I prefer those older films where they didn't rely on a mountain of CGI to do the heavy lifting. Back then, the appeal was the visceral stuff—the practical effects involving guts and gore. You, on the other hand, haven't even touched those classics; you seem more interested in flashy special effects, mediocre flicks, and those mindless Japanese horror remakes like The Ring. When it comes to ghost stories, you go for The Ring, whereas I’ll stick to Poltergeist or Lady in White. And where did this sudden obsession with gore come from? Lawrence Booth2 absolutely lives for that kind of thing... 😁

Besides that, a stupid videotape, some senseless superstition, and a girl with greasy hair don't do anything to rattle me. Silent Hill 3 and 4 actually managed to get under my skin, but this American nonsense, The Ring, was more boring than anything else...

In case you haven't quite caught on yet, I prefer quality horror, whereas you seem to enjoy the mediocre stuff... Period.

That movie was just way too boring

crimsonmoose3 said:😂 😂 😂 Man, you really cracked me up with that one.
Look, we’re just from two completely different generations here. My taste leans toward the old-school classics—stuff like The Pack, The Thing, Proteus, the Evil Dead series, the House of Wax original, or Day of the Dead. You know, those vintage horrors from back when they didn't rely on a mountain of CGI to get by. I can't help it if my era was all about practical effects—visceral, gritty stuff involving guts and meat. But you haven't really checked any of that out, have you? Instead, you've gone all in on heavy special effects, mediocre flicks, and those silly remakes of Japanese horror like The Ring. When it comes to ghost stories, you go for The Ring, whereas I'd much rather stick to Poltergeist or Lady in Black and White. And honestly, where did you even get that idea about wanting more gore? Lawrence Booth2 absolutely lives for that kind of thing. 😁

Besides that, I don't get how a stupid videotape, some silly superstition, or a creepy little girl with greasy hair is supposed to give me the creeps. Silent Hill 3 and 4 actually managed to rattle me, but this American version of The Ring was honestly more boring than anything else. It just wasn't interesting at all.

If you haven't quite caught on yet, let me lay it out for you: I have a real weakness for quality horror, whereas you seem to be much more into the lukewarm stuff. Period.

Look, listen, Mr. Quality Classic—aka K. K. Constantin—what I wrote actually has nothing to do with SPECIAL EFFECTS. None at all. It’s more about the actual craft of filmmaking, which isn't really tied to the special effects side of things...

Honestly, I feel like so many of these supposed "classics"—you know, those older movies everyone obsesses over—are incredibly overrated. It really makes you wonder: what actually defines a "classic" anyway? 😂

Look, if you aren't really into VHS tapes and that whole retro aesthetic, that's totally fine—it's your call. But honestly? I still think The Ring is an absolutely incredible movie. 👍 Dark, yet absolutely incredible. 👍 Wrong Turn is a great movie, too. For real.

You really can't compare The Ring to those other horror remakes—whether they're Japanese originals or just standard Hollywood reboots. It’s in a league of its own. Honestly, it was the catalyst that kicked off that whole wave of horror remakes and single-handedly brought the genre back into the mainstream.

To be honest, I’m not really a huge fan of the horror genre. I usually steer clear of excessive gore, over-the-top violence, or anything that feels just plain gross. For me, it's all about finding that perfect balance—it's actually quite an art to strike it, whether you're watching or making a film. That said, Wrong Turn is actually really successful at hitting everything it aims for. Of course, I suppose it all comes down to what you're personally looking for in a movie...

The Ring is an absolute masterpiece... though I know you think it’s just boring or whatever—that's your call, I guess.

crimsonmoose3 said:As for ghost movies, I've always had a soft spot for Poltergeist.

How can anyone argue that Spielberg’s little family fantasy—which basically has zero actual horror elements—could ever be classified as a horror movie?

crimsonmoose3 said::
Silent Hill 3 and 4 actually managed to get under my skin—they really did manage to scare me.

To each their own, I guess.

Bye 👋

Brian Williams said:Look, K. K. Constantin, what I wrote has absolutely nothing to do with SPECIAL EFFECTS. None at all. It’s more about the actual craft of filmmaking, which isn't particularly tied to special effects...

Besides, a lot of those so-called "classics"—mostly just older films—are incredibly overrated. It makes you wonder what actually qualifies as a "classic" anyway... 😂

If you aren't into VHS tapes and all that nostalgia, that’s your call, but The Ring is an absolutely stellar movie... 👍 Dark, yet absolutely brilliant... 👍 Wrong Turn is also a great movie. True...

You can't even compare The Ring to those other horror remakes—whether they're Japanese originals or otherwise. It’s in a league of its own. It basically triggered that entire wave of remakes and dragged the horror genre back into the mainstream...

I'm not typically a fan of horror. I generally steer clear of excessive gore, gratuitous violence, and films that rely on pure revulsion. Finding—or creating—that perfect balance is an art form. In that regard, Wrong Turn manages to hit its marks quite effectively, though I suppose it all depends on what you're actually looking for...

The Ring is an absolute masterpiece... though I suppose if you find everything boring, that’s just how you roll...

How can Spielberg’s family fantasy, which features almost zero actual horror, even be categorized as horror...

To each their own, I guess...

Later... 👋

To each their own. Personally, I’m pretty picky when it comes to screenplays. The plot of Wrong Turn—where a group of teenagers "accidentally" stumbles upon a family of cannibals—is fundamentally idiotic. That alone makes the whole movie garbage, along with everything else about it. Beyond that, I can't stand remakes; there’s zero point in sitting through two versions of the same story. And before anyone starts, I’m not some Xenophobe or racist... so why shouldn't I be able to enjoy the Japanese version of a film?...
Alright, I’ll admit it—Poltergeist was a bad call...
If you aren't into horror, then we really have nothing to talk about... 🙂

crimsonmoose3 said:that whole Wrong Turn premise about teenagers (who honestly make me sick, they're such a cliché in slasher horror) "accidentally" stumbling upon a family of cannibals is just idiotic. That’s why the movie is garbage to me, along with everything else in it.

I actually think the success of the film comes from how everything revolves around those "mountain psychos" and the "teenagers." The way the tension builds, the situations they get themselves into & stuff... it's all really well executed. 👍

The teenagers aren't really the point—if you want to be picky, their characterization is incredibly shallow. But that doesn't matter because the story (well, the movie) doesn't focus on them. What matters is the situation they find themselves in. It feels pretty realistic, though that's not strictly necessary.

I actually borrowed the movie specifically because of Eliza Dushka, and I was even second-guessing it at first, thinking if there was too much gore, I wouldn't enjoy it...

But in the end, the movie COMPLETELY SURPRISED ME. 👍

Which I confirmed when I watched it AGAIN. 👍

Yeah.

crimsonmoose3 said:Fine, I'll admit it, Poltergeist was a bad call.

What do you mean "bad call"? Poltergeist is freaking terrifying at times. You could eat scenes like the girl appearing through the TV for breakfast, along with The Ring, Dark Water, Tale of Two Sisters, and all those other Japanese flicks. Just toss them on some toast with a couple of over-easy eggs and wash it down with cocoa. The only truly horrific thing about those Japanese "horror movies" is how mind-numbingly boring they are.

Brian Williams said:Exactly what I said when I went back and watched it AGAIN 👍

If you ask me, the mere fact that you actually sat through that garbage a second time disqualifies you from having any real conversation about horror movies...🙄

Richard Fowler68 said:What do you mean, bad selection? Poltergeist is genuinely unsettling at certain points. That scene where the girl appears through the TV... you could eat Ring, Dark Water, Tale of Two Sisters, and all those other Japanese flicks for breakfast. Just serve them up with some toast and eggs. The only truly terrifying thing about those Japanese "horrors" is how incredibly boring they are.

🙏 🙏 🙏 And that scene in the room where that clown doll watches the boy... honestly, even Pennywise from IT gives me the creeps. Finally, someone who actually gets it. 👍
Isn't there some Japanese horror playing this Saturday? Call Me Before You Die or something like that...

Who even calls Wrong Turn horror? To me, it feels more like a teen shocker fueled by convincing makeup and a totally unconvincing script. I see it as the fast-food version of Deliverance, specifically processed for the mindless American youth of the 21st century. Though, I have to admit, it isn't actually all that bad 😳 😬

crimsonmoose3 said:🙏 🙏 🙏 And that scene in the room where the clown doll just stares at the kid... honestly, clowns have creeped me out since I saw IT. Finally, someone who gets it. 👍

😬 looks like we share more than just taste in movies; we share the same phobias. Clowns, carousels, carnivals... 😱 😱

crimsonmoose3 said:And there's some Japanese horror on this Saturday, Call Until You Die or something like that?

Maybe it's "Watch Until You Die (of Boredom)"? 😁

Richard Fowler68 said:Maybe "watch until you die (from sheer boredom)"? 😁

Alleria: The Call to Kill by Takeshi Miike—is that the same guy behind Ichi and Audition? 🙏 🙏 🙏

crimsonmoose3 said:Is Call of the Death by Takeshi Miike the same guy who did Ichi and Audition? 🙏 🙏 🙏

I think that's the one. But what do I know... I've watched both of those, plus a handful of other Japanese films from the last few years, but they just don't sit right with me. Something about them really bugs me, and I can't quite put my finger on it. Eventually, I just gave up. I don't bother forcing myself through them anymore—with so many movies out there, I see no reason to struggle through something that doesn't click, no matter how much critics praise it.

On the flip side, the older Japanese cinema works for me. Dreams is probably my favorite, and I liked that Lone Wolf and Cub series, and those Musashi films too...

So, there you go... 😕

Richard Fowler68 said:I think that might be the one. Then again, who knows... I've watched both those films, along with several other Japanese movies from the last few years, but they just don't sit right with me. Something about them feels off, and I can't quite put my finger on it. Eventually, I just gave up; I don't bother forcing myself through them anymore. With so many movies out there, there’s really no reason to struggle through something that doesn't click, no matter how much praise it gets.

On the other hand, older Japanese cinema actually works for me. My favorite is Dreams, and I enjoyed the Lone Wolf and Cub series, as well as those Musashi films...

So, there you have it... 😕

I'm curious if this film, The Call That Kills, contains violence similar to his work in Dead or Alive?

I’ve actually got most of Miike’s filmography in my collection...

Richard Fowler68—if you haven't already, man, you seriously need to check out movies like Aragami, Versus, Audition, Marebito, down to Hell, Three, Extremes, and Ab-normal beauty... they're just some of those incredibly good flicks, mostly his newer stuff too...