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The Motorcycle Diaries (Che Guevara's Diary)

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blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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#41 ·
Walter Lee7 said:And honestly, Che's idea wasn't even that bad...

Yeah, he remembered things perfectly perfectly 😁

Jose Miller17 is being a bit stingy here 🙂 but seriously, this movie could have easily turned into something totally pretentious 😉
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#42 ·
blueranger12 said:Jose Miller17 is looking a little thin to me. 🙂 Honestly, the movie was teetering right on the edge of being incredibly pretentious. 😉

Not exactly feeling inspired this morning... coffee is basically eating a hole through my stomach.😁😁If I had actually written this last night, you guys would be absolutely drowning in posts right now.😁😁...
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Pretentious? Please. This was like watching Che Guevara try to dance the mambo on ice. That about sums it up. 😁😁
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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#43 ·
Jose Miller17 said:...it’s like you're saying Che Guevara decided to dance the mambo on ice... something like that. 😁😁

Ujesemti, what a comparison. Was that whole post from yesterday written like that? 😁 😁 This is a huge loss for the film subforum. 🙂 Come on, grab a drink tonight and actually write something!
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#44 ·
blueranger12 said:Ujesemti, that's quite the comparison. Is that really how your entire post would have looked if you wrote it yesterday? 😁😁 This is a massive blow to the film subforum. 🙂 Come on, grab a drink and write something today!

Is there an entire post coming? Or am I just waiting for nothing? 😢Who knows if a little bit of booze is going to make me regret posting that unhinged mess later. 😢....
..:-)
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
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#45 ·
This movie was honestly one of the best things I saw last year. 👍

What really gripped me was how it managed to be socially conscious and political, yet still felt fun, grounded, and adventurous all at once. It didn't overdo any single part; it just balanced everything perfectly into one cohesive story.

By the way, the story is actually true—like someone else mentioned before, both he and his closest friend kept diaries, so the film is basically a blend of those two accounts.

Speaking of the Amazon River, I used to work for a guy who was Peruvian, and from what I remember of his stories, crossing parts of the Amazon River can be doable, especially during certain dry seasons, but it's incredibly risky.

Just a wonderful film. And when the song won an Academy Award, I was practically jumping for joy!

Oh, one more thing. The singer gave probably the best speech at the Academy Awards in the last ten years!
Daniel Lopez Daniel Lopez Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#46 ·
'The Motorcycle Diaries' at Profile Megastore

A book launch for 'The Motorcycle Diaries: diary : motorcycle through Latin America' is happening this Thursday, March 10th, at 6 PM at the Profile Megastore bookstore. Dušan Bilandžić, Žarko Paić, Pavle Kalinić, and Ivica Prtenjača will be there to present Guevara's biographical entries.
Thomas Diaz6 Thomas Diaz6 Member
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#47 ·
Daniel Lopez said:The Motorcycle Diaries at Profile Megastore

The book presentation for The Motorcycle Diaries is scheduled for Thursday, March 10, at 6:00 PM at the Profile Megastore bookstore. Dušan Bilandžić, Žarko Paić, Pavle Kalinić, and Ivica Prtenjača will be presenting Guevara’s biographical entries.

🙏 🙏 🙏
Walter Lee7 Walter Lee7 NewcomerOP
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#48 ·
Does anyone happen to know the price of the book?

Also, if anyone has any info on when the DVD might actually drop, let me know.
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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#49 ·
Walter Lee7 said:Anyone know how much the book costs???

$33.
stormynomad6 stormynomad6 Newcomer
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#50 ·
The film is excellent, though I must admit the book left a deeper impression on me (as is often the case). The story is, of course, true and based on their own journals. In my view, what the film failed to capture was the concept of a unified South America that Che held before his journey, which began to fracture harshly during their travels. That disillusionment, the apathy of the people, and their resignation to circumstance profoundly shaped his life's path. That final scene, where he gives his birthday speech, partially reflects that realization.
Mostly 👍 and all the luck that would have come if Americans hadn't interfered.
Walter Lee7 Walter Lee7 NewcomerOP
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#51 ·
It would be way too ironic if they were the ones producing it, considering they actually killed him... then again, the Americans always have their hands (and their money) in everything.

What kind of scum are those Americans... what are they doing to poor people? The man just wanted to build a better world, and they murdered him, cut his hands off, and buried him in some secret location!!! They are the reason for all these left-wing versus right-wing conflicts down there today... 😠
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#52 ·
Walter Lee7 said:It would be way too ironic if they were the ones who made him, considering they actually ended up killing him... then again, Americans always have their hands in everything (and their money, too).
What a bunch of lowlifes these Americans are... I mean, what do they actually do to decent people? The man just wanted to build a better world, and instead, they killed him, cut off his hands, and buried him in some unmarked grave. They’re the ones responsible for all the left-wing versus right-wing chaos we see down there today. 😠

First off, you need to realize that Americans are the ones who get to decide what a "better world" actually looks like. 🙂 😁😁
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#53 ·
As for the film, it is also, among other things, an American co-production.
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#54 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:The movie is also an American co-production, for that matter.

...could be... wouldn't surprise me one bit... the only ideology capitalism has is making money, which is why it's such a nasty beast. :-)
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#55 ·
Jose Miller17 said:...it's totally possible...I wouldn't even be surprised...the only real ideology of capitalism is just making more money...that's why it's such an ugly beast :-)

Meanwhile, socialists have apparently mastered the art of photosynthesis through meditation. 😁

The movie itself is basically just a gorgeous postcard of Latin America.
While Bernal does a decent job, de la Serna is absolutely stellar. My only gripe is that the portrayal of Che Guevara feels a bit too idealized. His journey toward social awareness is touching and laid out very clearly, but I'll admit I couldn't quite shake these cynical feelings once the credits rolled. You know, Castro's (and Che's) Cuba isn't exactly the utopia of social justice and equality everyone imagines. It feels like we were left completely in the dark about his darker side. This is the version of Che that people print on T-shirts and hang up as posters.
There's nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but I still walked away feeling like the film didn't offer much more than what you'd find in the travelogues of Maria Saletto. 😁
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#56 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:You know, Castro's (and Che Guevara's) Cuba isn't exactly a shining beacon of social justice and equality.

Oh, thanks for the epiphany...😬...
....what photosynthesis? What are you even talking about? 😕 ...
Beyond that, I think the filmmakers made a conscious choice—if you want to call it that—to focus on the unblemished, ideological side of Che Guevara's life. It was actually pretty smart, and honestly, a decent move. They avoided playing the controversy card, which could have hyped up the movie but ultimately would have ruined it. Dealing with the contradictions between Che's ideals and how Fidel Castro actually ran things in practice is a mess (and yeah, practice usually ruins everything 😁...). Instead, they made South America the main character, and I'm actually a fan of that approach...
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Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#57 ·
....photosynthesis? What on earth are you talking about??? ...

Just an inside joke from my circle of friends.

Once you finally master the art of photosynthesis, you’ve basically settled your beef with materialism, because honestly, you just don't need money (or anything else it can buy) anymore. 😬
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#58 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:Just an inside joke from my circle.
Once you figure out how to photosynthesize, you've basically transcended materialism because you don't need cash (or its reproductive cycles) anymore. 😬

True, though I wasn't really going there 😁...I just meant capitalism will wrap itself around any ideology as long as it turns a profit. :-)
wearywolf26 wearywolf26 Newcomer
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#59 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:Che Guevara is simply too idealized. His social awakening is touching, yet presented in a way that feels far too transparent.

That’s exactly what the movie is about. I wouldn't go so far as to say the character is idealized, especially considering he was still just finding his footing at that stage. However, he did make it clear that there is no such thing as a revolution without bloodshed. 😉

Word on the street is that Americans are working on a movie about Che Guevara, though it likely won't be about his motorcycle travels. 😬
Sandra King86 Sandra King86 Active Member
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#60 ·
Walter Lee7 said:It’s so true—you watch this movie and suddenly you're just picturing yourself out there in those massive, beautiful landscapes!!! It gives you this weird, unknown feeling... at least it did for me. I walked out of the AMC Theatres with a grin from ear to ear!!! Just felt totally stoked after!!!!

👍

Even a "genius" like me finally realized why they called him Che 😵 (plus my best friend from school is Argentine)
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