Asbestosis

We’re eagerly awaiting some insight from an expert, perhaps a doctor or a professor?

META12.

Will they actually show up or what?

So, when can we expect a dedicated thread for "panic attacks"? 😁

The folks over at Motelka might find this funny, but:
The New York Times, Monday, August 18, 2003, page 9
Headline: Data from an asbestosis victims' association has left the International Labour Organization standards committee absolutely stunned.
Title: In Vranjic, we lose one asbestos victim from the Salonit plant every twenty days.
Subheadline: Regarding the Salonit facility, there is a blatant disregard for international conventions concerning proper product labeling, worker notification, protective clothing requirements, safe waste disposal, and the essential training needed for those handling asbestos.
The article kicks off by stating that a person dies every twenty days...

Jamie Clark74 and I used to joke about it, but asbestosis is right here in our own backyard and yet nobody seems willing to say a damn word about it....

Tyler Miller16 said:So, when are we getting a dedicated thread for panic attacks?😁

Honey, (we don't need all the extra fluff), there have already been several threads on this over at Pshijatrija and MI!

To the sweetest Motelka,

😘

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I was watching this documentary on TV last year about people suffering from asbestosis in San Francisco.
It was heartbreaking... not only are these poor folks facing zero chance at receiving any kind of compensation, but they’re even being denied disability benefits—meaning they can't even face the end of their lives without worrying about starving.
Honestly, I just don't understand how that factory hasn't been leveled to the ground yet.

blueranger13 said:Watched a documentary on TV last year about people suffering from asbestosis back in San Francisco.
Poor souls... they don't just have zero chance at getting any compensation, they're even denied disability benefits to at least die without starving.
Don't get how that factory wasn't leveled to the ground.

And did you read that bit about them planning to build water lines using asbestos pipes in San Francisco? They aren't even banned here yet...

My Father died of this horrid Disease on September 25, 1998. I spent over 25 years watching him fight it. This doesn't just hit the patient; it hits the whole family. You sit there watching your dad struggle just to walk across a room or try to take a breath without being hooked up to tubes. He couldn't even step outside for a quick trip to the store or make it to a family dinner. These people live every day knowing they are essentially a walking time bomb with a very limited clock.

Victoria L. Bell daughter of Everett E. Johnson, senior

My Father died of this horrid Disease on September 25, 1998.
I watched him suffer through it for more than 25 years.
It isn't just the patient who suffers; the entire family feels it too. You watch your father struggle to move across a room, fight to breathe without oxygen tubes, and lose the ability to simply go to the grocery store or attend a family get-together.
These people have to live with the constant weight of knowing they are a ticking time bomb, and that
their time is running out.
Viktoria L. Bell daughter of Everett E. Johnson, senior

Vilkov comment:
Believe me, unless you're dealing with asbestosis yourself, you can't truly understand. It starts small, and then you're left wondering what's coming next, how it will hit, and when it's all going to end.

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A quick update regarding Azbestus.

September 11, 2001, New York City, the Twin Towers, the World Trade Center... those terrorist attacks are etched into the memory of everyone across the globe.

I won't get into politics or the American involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq; that’s a whole different conversation.

What we know today is quite shocking. It's been understood for a while now that in New York,
police officers, firefighters, and people working within a 2-1.9 miles radius developed a cough specifically linked to that attack.

Roughly 2,000 to 3,000 people fell ill and spent months on medical leave due to inhaling that dust. Many are still dealing with long-term effects like asthma.

It is also expected that another 2,000 people will be forced to retire early due to their health.

Something people don't talk about much is this:😛 the debris consisted of fine particles—things like cement, glass, silicone products... and worst of all, the buildings themselves were constructed using partitions and walls
made of asbestosis panels.

Everyone on-site breathed in that same dust—every worker and every person living within a 3-3.1 miles radius was swallowing that grit.

Beyond the "New York cough," we are looking at thousands of people suffering from asbestosis in 15 to 30 years... because that’s how long it takes for the disease to develop.

That is the reality of the terror attacks in New York. It wasn't just the 2,800 immediate victims; the number will be much higher in the future.

But the future brings news of wars in Iraq and things like that, so these issues tend to get forgotten.

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As I sit here reviewing some research materials in English, I can only say that what I have encountered is high-quality material covering an incredibly vital subject. Unfortunately, it seems many people simply fail to pay attention, much like they ignore the clear dangers posed by smoking and alcohol consumption.

Well done, Jamie Clark74.

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Alex Sanchez3 said:I’m still digging through some data in English, and honestly, I can only say that what I’ve found so far is solid material on an incredibly IMPORTANT TOPIC, but unfortunately, most people just don't pay attention—much like how they ignore the dangers of smoking and drinking!

Nice one, Jamie Clark74.

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😂 🙂 😂 Jamie Clark74, you’re truly incomparable!

Oh man, rapidranger79 😂

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111one

😂🤣😂🤣

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Then again, if Jamie Clark74 didn't exist, someone would have just invented him.😁

As for the stuff regarding Vranjica, there’s some truth to it, but the mortality rates aren't quite that extreme. I have a cousin working over there who happens to be an asthmatic, but honestly, he'll take the photo whenever he feels up to it; he needs the paycheck to keep the family fed.
BTW, the salonit was sold to Americans.

It’s what it is. Jamie Clark74 was beating us over the head with stories about asbestosis on the Associated Press, showing us those colorful lung scans while we all just sat there making jokes. But I finally owned up to being wrong and shared that article about asbestosis here.

Now the whole joke has shifted to his "100 different aliases" that I keep using to talk to myself!😁

I figured that out myself, rapidranger79 😁

And I don't see Vilk anywhere actually responding to the guy who recommended Ayurveda to him.
If he’s just too exhausted from dealing with asbestosis 😁, then my bad.

But honestly, Vilk is just throwing his weight around regarding the asbestosis thing.

If he had spent half the time he wasted playing the victim acting like a sick man, he’d be living the dream right now.
I'm not saying he doesn't have any issues.
But we all know our own Brankica, who pushed through some seriously nasty stuff with that "everything will be fine because it has to be" attitude. 😘 To her, 🙂

Vilk, if you actually acted like a human being before acting like a patient, life would be a hell of a lot easier for you. 🙂

Jamie Clark74 said:I don't see Jamie Clark74 ever actually getting back to the guy who suggested Ayurveda to him.
If that’s just fatigue from asbestosis. 😁My apologies.

I'm okay, but David is dealing with asbestosis.

If he’d spent half as much time actually getting better as he did cultivating that "poor me" persona, he might actually be happy right now.
I won't deny that he’s got nothing.
We all have that one friend who lives by the "everything will work out because it has to" mantra, and honestly, they’ve ended up pushing through some pretty terrible situations because of it. 😘 To her. 🙂

Jamie Clark74, if you could just be yourself first and a patient second, things would be a whole lot easier for you. 🙂

alica says:
She’s got more balls than you ever will.
I noticed Casey Palmer5 has quite a few votes. To be honest, I haven't really kept track of her contributions to that forum since I'm not exactly a regular over there.
You voted for yourself. And you did it publicly, too. Just so everyone knows that Vilim, Jamie Clark74, Mirko, Scorpio, Osama, Rainmaker, Alex Sanchez3, and Kovacevic all believe—along with their collection of psychosomatic ailments—that they are the top health experts on this forum.
Jamie Clark74, your value as a person—or even just as a member of this community—has absolutely nothing to do with how many diagnoses you're carrying.
I honestly don't know how many times I have to say this: if you stopped pouring all that energy into self-destruction just because you enjoy the pity people throw at a poor, sick old man, you might actually be a happy person. You’d also spend a hell of a lot less time sitting in hospital waiting rooms.

You basically nominated yourself while living abroad, posting under the handle Osama just to pat yourself on the back. Then you got all defensive because you claim you don't lie or cheat. Go ahead, say something funny so I can actually get a laugh out of this.

rapidranger79 has a little trick up her sleeve. It’s the kind of advice you hear parents give toddlers in preschool when they're being picked on by other kids. You really have to ask yourself: why would an older lady, someone who’s been around the block, offer you a solution to your problems that’s exactly what she’d tell her own grandkids if they came home crying from daycare ten years ago?

If I actually had any real authority around here, I’d disqualify you from every single category immediately. I’d also be handing you the PItA award—which, for those who don't know, stands for 4 Pain in The Ass.
I also gave a fair play award to all the other nominees.
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My teenage years...
You’re going to experience plenty more in life. Every once in a while, you might look back and think, "Maybe," regarding what you just wrote. Honestly, though, I doubt it—you tend to post about just about everything.

First off, just check the facts. The nominations come from other members. Sure, I nominated myself for the award, but that was only one single vote. I don't see what your issue is; nobody ever said you couldn't nominate yourself.

Voting matters. I’ve been honest about the fact that I voted for myself... there's nothing wrong with that. To me, it means I'm not hiding anything; I'm just being straightforward about it.

In both threads, I actually ended up being nominated by others to track people's nicknames!
Honestly, enough with the nonsense. If you don't have anything more substantial to contribute than chasing shadows and believing every conspiracy theory you hear, it’s just sad.

Checking the voting process is straightforward, and I can assure you it will be verified.
You can call me whatever you like, but don't think for a second that I'm an idiot.
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Don't worry about my health issues. You don't really have the expertise or experience to be giving me advice on this.

For twenty-five years, I dragged myself through my workdays while dealing with the aftermath of kidney surgery. Honestly, you can't even begin to imagine the level of pain I was in just trying to get through a shift.

Over the last 12 years, I’ve worked alongside some of the top specialists in the field. Honestly, I believe they probably know a bit more than you do.

If you had actually read the Health section, you would have seen where Casey Palmer5 /the moderator made a mistake and thought otherwise. She only changed her tune after reading my medical reports, admitting how much I’m truly suffering.

I have nerve damage running through my entire spine. There’s no cure, and it means dealing with pain 24/7, 365 days a year.

Then there’s my legs. I need surgery just to walk properly—though I am walking now, it's brief and incredibly painful. I’ve canceled the surgery twice because of my wife. There's only a 50% chance my mobility improves, and even then, the leg pain might get worse, or I could end up paralyzed.

I won't even bring up the illnesses that are considered "normal" for my age, but when you stack them all on top of one another, it becomes a massive problem.

I already told you, I have to sleep using a breathing machine.

You know perfectly well that you think it's a joke that I have asbestosis, and that it's getting worse, and the question is...???????

All in all, after living with chronic pain for 37 years, it's only natural to spiral into depression, anxiety, and other issues.

Every single one of my ailments is physical and psychological... they aren't imaginary.
I’m not a hypochondriac or someone suffering from psychosomatic issues.

Honestly, even the staff at the pain clinic are amazed by how much I can endure. I use hypnosis, including self-hypnosis, but everything has its limit.

You’ve acted quite superior a few times now, so please, don't. As I mentioned before, I attended university courses for seniors to learn everything I could. I also have regular sessions—four times a week in the past, now once every six weeks for two hours—with a psychiatrist to manage my treatment and my personal life with my wife.

If the professionals don't claim to know everything about me, don't act like you do. And believe me, the experts are satisfied with how well I handle these illnesses.

This has gone way too far, but Jamie Clark74 is being a fool, as usual.

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February 8, 2004

Adelaide, Australia
Sunday Mail
Reporter: Craig Clarke

Translated by: William Kovacic

ASBESTOS VICTIMS MAY LOSE THEIR COMPENSATION!

Since last week, hundreds of people have reached out to newspapers and the lawyers mentioned in the reports.

The Southern Australia asbestos victim association is calling for a "nationwide public inquiry" regarding asbestos exposure at the Whyalla Shipbuilder.

Latest updates:

More than 70 families of individuals who passed away due to "asbestos-related consequences" have filed a joint lawsuit against the Whyalla Shipbuilder.

Several other people have come forward with similar stories.

Some people suffered various injuries and received payouts for them.
A decade later, they discover they have an "asbestos disease," only to be told by the company that they can't claim any more compensation because their final settlement included a waiver for all future claims.

My situation is very similar. Back in 1992, I received a $99,000 settlement (which was essentially the difference between what I would have lost working as a standard laborer versus using my specific qualifications) to cover me for 14 years leading up to retirement.
Then I was laid off because I was deemed unfit for work, but I couldn't access my disability pension for two years because the company counted that settlement money as my income.
I didn't actually start receiving my disability pension until 1994, two years later.

In 1997, while visiting a pain clinic, an X-ray showed something was wrong with my lungs or heart, prompting my doctor to order further tests.
That was when I was first diagnosed with asbestosis.

I see a specialist twice a year for lung CT scans and pulmonary function tests.

The hardest part is that they require a stable diagnosis,
which is difficult. If it’s Mesothelioma, the prognosis is often grim and fast; many people end up "dying in a hospital bed."

But cases involving Pleural Plaque and asbestosis are different—they drag on for years, depending on how much breath the individual can manage.

I know this because I've read thousands of pages detailing cases where people with asbestosis struggle for 20-25 years with breathing issues. It's the same with Pleural Plaque; you can live with heavy breathing after just a few steps and exhaustion, which can eventually progress into asbestosis.

So, that's the news from this past week.

P.S.
In Adelaide, state-owned houses are being sold privately without the government ever replacing the asbestos roofing... it really makes you wonder.

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February 15, 2004

Adelaide, Australia
Sunday Mail
Reporter: Craig Clarke

Translated by: William Kovacic

Letter to the Editor!

To the Editor,
My family lived in Whyalla until 18 years ago. My father worked as a plumber at the Whyalla Shipbuilder. I still remember those days when we kids would run to meet him coming home from work, just hugging him and racing back into the house together.

Dad always wore his work overalls, which he’d take off in the laundry room. The whole place would be covered in white dust—asbestos. My mother would see it, try to shake out his clothes, and the dust would just fly everywhere. It got into everything.

Two weeks ago, I read your investigation regarding the Shipbuilder and asbestos diseases.

I can tell you that my mother passed away 20 years ago from lung cancer. Because I have connections within the hospital administration, I called them the very next day. Through a contact, I was told she actually died from mesothelioma. They never told us that; they just said it was lung cancer.

Then, two years ago, our father passed away from asbestosis. It was agonizing, watching him struggle to breathe. Now that we've read your report, we are going to try working through the
union to seek at least some compensation for my father.

What worries us now is... will this catch up to us too, years down the line?

Because my mother died from the most severe form, mesothelioma,
and all she ever did was shake out and wash his work clothes.

Meanwhile, my father spent years suffering from the effects of asbestosis.
Even today, whenever I run into anyone from Whyalla, everyone is worried about what their future holds.

Best regards,
Silvia P. of Adelaide
Adelaide