All or Nothing

White, it’s honestly mind-blowing how little you actually know about movies, yet you try so hard to act like an expert when you're clearly clueless....Were you bullied as a kid or something? Is that why you have this weirdly masochistic urge to be a jerk?

Okay, he definitely crossed the line this time... I mean, Luke actually told him not to hang out with me because he said I'm a bad influence.😁

Seriously, where does this patronizing arrogance from White come from?

And now I could tell you that you're being incredibly stupid if you haven't realized that the movie depicts the absolute worst parts of London, because it DOES...

It feels like White is just arrogantly forcing his opinion on everyone as if it's the only truth... but if I had to choose between sheer arrogance and actual film knowledge, I'd pick Mickey every single time.🙂))) It's obvious that Mickey and a few others are the ones who actually live and breathe cinema (even if I don't see eye-to-eye with him regarding Insomnia 😉)).🙂))

I wouldn't even trust White with my pet parrot... let alone ask him to teach me how to pronounce Titanic...🙄 😁

So, what’s the verdict on my movie review?!? I already posted it, yeah, just scroll up a bit.. Let’s actually talk about this movie... unless I went overboard and you guys are too lazy to read it?!

blueranger12 said:So, what do you guys think of my review?!? Yeah, I wrote one—just scroll up a bit. Let's actually talk about the movie... unless I wrote too much and you're all just too lazy to read it?!

What you wrote isn't even a review, it's just a plot summary (and a pretty bad one at that)... and yeah, Titanic is a total piece of shit. 🙂

But what is the ESSENTIAL difference—and I don't mean the "politically correct" packaging, I mean the ACTUAL core difference—between statements

a) I don't mean to be rude, but I feel compelled to point out that your perspective lacks the necessary depth for me to take it seriously; please be so kind as to research this issue more thoroughly before presenting your arguments further.

and

b) Shut up, you have no clue.

Can't see it? Let me spell it out for you: the ESSENTIAL difference is that a total idiot will actually understand the second one, unlike the first.

Blue Eyes said:>
I feel like White just arrogantly forces his opinion on everyone as if it’s the absolute truth... but honestly, if I had to choose between someone being arrogant or actually knowing their stuff about movies... I'd take Mickey any day 🙂)))

Honestly, there's nothing worse than arrogant ignorance, but maybe even worse is arrogant knowledge. Just look at how Professor Mickey talks down to people when the topic of Bergman comes up:

Your reasons are totally valid, Mary (since you don't enjoy Bergman as much as you used to)...

or better yet
It's great that you have such a layman's approach to Bergman

If that isn't the most revolting, condescending, "ex cathedra" patronizing attitude, I don't know what is. And this is coming from a guy who is actually being kind to her! In that whole "professor lecturing a student" vibe, Mickey starts throwing out completely off-topic exam questions like, "What to think about Tarkovsky?" and "What movies do you like these days (keep it brief)?" Pay attention to that "brief" part. You can practically feel the tone. You're just sitting there waiting for her to beg him for a passing grade.

I mean, if someone tells me my reasons for liking or hating a director are legitimate or that the God of Cinema is blessing me because I'm just an uneducated layman, I feel like I'd want to grab them by the throat until I see their eyes roll back in their head 🙄

I'll give Mickey credit for his knowledge, but acting like that is just straight-up uncool and total nerd behavior.

Michelle Howard2 said:There’s something incredibly grating about arrogant ignorance, but honestly, maybe nothing is worse than arrogant expertise. Just watch how Professor Mickey talks down to people when he starts lecturing on... Apropos Bergman:

Your reasons are totally valid, Mary. (The fact that she just doesn't love Bergman like she used to...)

Or even better.
It’s actually pretty great how you have such a down-to-earth, layman's take on Bergman.

Michelle Howard2, I don't think Mickey meant for this to come across as bad! Take me, for example—I read plenty of popular science books, but at the end of the day, I'm still just a layman when it comes to actual science. If I were in some debate about Schrödinger's cat and a physicist told me it was super that I had such a layperson's approach to QM, I definitely wouldn't take it as an insult.

Look, if you’ve spent several years studying a specific field and you actually work in that industry—in this case, the movie business—you can pretty much bet on the fact that you’re going to have a deeper understanding than someone who just watches movies for fun on the weekend.
When you study cinema, they drill critical analysis into your brain. It’s like Mickey once thought it was super to just watch a movie as pure escapism, but once you've been trained, you can't help but see every single frame through that analytical lens. You lose that ability to actually relax and just let the story take over.

If that isn’t the definition of a disgusting, arrogant, patronizing ex-dean approach, I don't know what is. And this is coming from someone the professor is actually being kind to! In one of those classic ex-dean power trips, Mickey starts throwing these completely off-topic exam questions at her like, "So, what do you think about Tarkovsky?" or "What movies are you into lately? (Keep it brief, though)." Pay close attention to that "brief" part. You can totally feel the condescension in his tone. He’s basically just sitting there waiting for her to beg him for a passing grade.

Honestly, I think you’re projecting here... it's the exact same thing Mickey did back when he posted on your thread about film critics... Mickey wrote: Short. I mean, let's be real—this wasn't exactly a thread meant for discussing Tarkovsky or those kinds of movies... just trying to make sure we don't drift too far off topic.

I feel like people keep trying to tell me exactly why I should or shouldn't love someone. Legit. Or maybe the Movie God is just blessing me with my own ignorance. laymanHonestly, I feel like I'd just grab him by the throat and squeeze until I saw his eyes start rolling back in his head like that. 🙄

From what I can tell, Mary didn't feel insulted at all... I honestly don't know why you took it personally. If anything, it feels like you're implying you don't actually have a strong opinion on Mary's film knowledge, especially since you chose to frame Mickey's questions as arrogant and patronizing instead of just seeing them for what they were. She didn't even give him a proper comeback.

I have to hand it to Mickey—his knowledge is impressive—but showing off like that just comes across as totally uncool and like a total nerd.

People are saying you leave the exact same impression. 😉

And now, let’s hear from the "defendant":
Mike Leigh : I mean, this is a movie about these people. And these people are, you know, people like a zillion people around the world. I mean this is about people such as you might find anywhere and this is what it's about. I mean there's only one moment in the movie when class is an issue which is when he meets a Frenchwoman. And that's only an issue because they are people from different classes. But it's not actually what the moment is about. If anything, it's about, if it were classed to be an issue in that sequence at all, it's merely that they transcend class by communicating across some kind of initial barrier. But it's not, I mean in a way with respect, you know, because it's about working class people doesn't mean it's a movie about class. You know. It's just, that is the class.

By the way, "All or Nothing" was easily in my top three from last year. Perhaps it would have been a useful recommendation to suggest that people shouldn't watch this movie if they haven't managed to sit through a single Leigh's film before now.😉
It is completely obvious that the environment our protagonists live in isn't actually the theme of the movie... in fact, for those who aren't quite sure, there's even that scene with the Frenchwoman in the taxi, where after her arrogant attitude toward the "driver," she starts complaining about how her son won't call her anymore.

Or, as Phil might put it: "Who knows why it's a good thing that people don't like this movie?" 😁

I mean, the only time social class even enters the conversation is during that one scene where he meets a Frenchwoman. And honestly, it’s only a factor because they come from such different backgrounds.

If you're planning on watching this through the director's lens, you might be better off just skipping it entirely.

So, what's this guy's actual class level? 😁

Jessica Nguyen85 said:To be honest, the only time social status even comes into play in this movie is during his encounter with the Frenchwoman. It’s really only a factor because they come from such different worlds.

If a director is being that stingy with their vision, you might as well skip the movie entirely.

What grade is this kid in? 😁

Hey, you can't seriously tell me you aren't familiar with his work, right? 😉

Regarding that chase scene... honestly, that's the one thing I would cut from the movie.

Robert Cooper41 said:btw, "All or Nothing" was easily in my top three from last year. Honestly, it might be a good idea to suggest that people who haven't even sat through a single Mike Leigh movie before shouldn't bother watching this one. 😉
It’s crystal clear that the setting where the characters live isn't actually the point of the movie... I mean, they even threw in that scene with the Frenchwoman in the taxi just for those who might be confused—she acts all condescending toward the "driver," only to immediately start venting about how her son won't call her back anymore.

I'm glad you had some thoughts on the movie's controversial themes too. 😉 🙂))

Or, as Phil would put it: "Who knows why it's a good thing that people don't like this movie?" 😁

Did I miss something here? 😕 🙄

Blue Eyes said:Regarding that chase scene... honestly, that’s the one thing I would have cut from the movie entirely...

That specific scene feels a bit out of sync with the rest of the film's tone, doesn't it? But then again, maybe it was necessary just to drive home that one point: that regardless of our material status or social standing, human struggles remain essentially the same. Isn't that the core of it?

PS. Regarding PBE, that made-up quote from Phil was my attempt at being witty (clearly, a total failure on my part) 😁 😁

Michelle Howard2, why are you getting all worked up over this? 😕 😘
You can clearly see how much the view count on the movie spiked out of nowhere 🙂
Apropos Bergman, I wasn't trying to be condescending or anything toward Mary, I was just genuinely interested in hearing someone discuss him from the perspective of an average viewer—someone who, most interestingly to me, doesn't even enjoy his movies anymore.
If you're looking for a fight, just say the word...🙂

btw, did you finally get around to watching All or Nothing? It's easily one of the top two best movies of the year. 😉 🙂

driftingowl27 said:So, did you finally get around to watching All or Nothing? Honestly, I feel like it’s easily one of the two best movies of the year. 😉 🙂

I'm honestly just trying to figure out if this movie is actually okay for a fourteen-year-old to watch. Like, is it safe? Kids in Mind It’s not officially rated yet. If it ends up being like Naked, then I'm passing. But if it’s anything else, I’m hitting the theater tonight at 9:45.

Personally, I’d say this one beats Naked 😉

I was just weighing whether this movie is actually more digestible for a 14-year-old than >. Looking at >, it seems like > carries an 11 or 12 rating in most places, but the US ratings have me totally thrown off since it's listed as >! It’s kind of wild because > usually lands in that 15 or 16 range over in >. I was chatting with my kid about the whole film and the debate surrounding it, and she's actually pretty hyped to watch it.

Ugh, I’m such an idiot... 😳
So, here's the deal: there isn't really any vulgarity or violence to speak of. Look, I have no clue why your daughter is getting worked up about the movie itself, but if she's looking for something "hip"—you know, the typical MTV vibe where a building explodes or a guy's wife gets killed and he goes on some revenge spree—she might want to skip this one. Honestly, the most important parts of this film are just these subtle nuances between the characters, which might actually bore her to tears.
If she's already acting all high and mighty about "real" ( 😉 ) movies, you absolutely have to let her watch this one.

Thanks, let's get this show on the road.

Just walked out of the theater.
While I was sitting there watching, I kept wondering why anyone would even call this thing a masterpiece, but the longer it sits in my gut, the more I realize it’s one of those rare gems that sticks with you forever—one of those movies that actually shifts your perspective and builds a better version of your whole worldview.

It wasn't until I stepped out into the fresh air that I really processed the title, and man, it hit me how perfect and punchy it is. It’s that razor-thin line between having everything and having absolutely nothing. There’s this weird magic where you can spin nothing into everything, or take everything and watch it turn into zero. You see it clearly in Phil's wife; she spends the whole movie looking like she’s been washed out like a dirty rag, only to come out shining at the end, and then there's Phil, showing up with his hair finally cleaned up, looking almost decent for once. The magic that turns this film into a modern fairy tale is totally real—it's all about love and family. I’ve always had a soft spot for positive movies, especially those heavy character builders. And the big takeaway? Hold onto that magic! Let it breathe. It's All or Nothing.

And you, redowl90, you absolute blind fool, you're the reason I've been over here bickering with people on your behalf—people who, honestly, seem incredibly patient with you now that I think about it. That ending, though... it's just so damn good in every single way that you'd have to be a complete moron not to feel it. Even my daughter, who usually isn't into this kind of stuff, was totally glowing by the credits and told me, "That was amazing, it was so beautiful... why don't they make more movies like this? How am I supposed to go back to the stuff I used to watch?"

Michelle Howard2, looks like you finally caught on—and honestly, it’s pretty obvious his daughter’s got more brains than most (you're such a disaster, redowl90)... 😉

I was honestly so confused by some of Whitey's explanations regarding how the movie ended that I started questioning if we were even watching the same film. But seeing as Michelle Howard2 totally nailed the interpretation, I'm feeling much more confident that I actually watched the right thing. It makes me want to give it another watch. And you know what? I think I will!