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James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
137 messages
joined Oct 2014
#201 ·
Kenneth Johnson12 said:I am familiar with all these films; I have seen some, and I fail to see how any of them qualify as masterpieces.

Are these supposed to be children's movies? I am asking seriously.

Patrick's list is desperate. Of everything listed, Blue Ruin is the only one that seems to have any potential. Fine, at least you provided one title. Perhaps I will get lucky with another one, who knows. Though I doubt it.

It is.

Newer American films.

Masterpieces are subjective, smoky. It's all in the eye of the beholder, right?

Besides, like I told shadow earlier, this isn't a debate about American movies vs. American series, it's about movies vs. series, regardless of where they were produced.

Fine, you want recent American films that I consider top-tier.

Blue Ridge, Her, Enemy, Under the Skin, Coherence, The One I Love, Inside Llewyn Davis, Nebraska, The Cabin in the Woods...
Samuel Robinson2 Samuel Robinson2 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Oct 2014
#202 ·
How many truly great TV series have ever been made?
Maybe fifty at most. Anyone can rattle off a hundred brilliant movies without breaking a sweat, but trying to name a hundred legendary shows? Impossible.
Sure, you could stretch the list if you’re easily impressed by endless procedurals about American cops, lawyers, forensic experts, or firefighters🙏, not to mention politicians and presidents, ad infinitum.
A question for the binge-watchers out there.
Why isn't there a show—or maybe I just haven't seen it—that celebrates the heroic work of American sanitation workers or municipal crews from NY, Boston, or LA? These guys are basically unsung warriors for peace and democracy. Beyond just being selfless, they possess a level of grit and intelligence that rivals any firefighter or crime scene investigator.
It’s high time someone fixed this massive oversight.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#203 ·
The absolute greatest series ever made is I, Claudius

It’s basically the only thing that actually deserves to be mentioned alongside the best films out there. Everything else? Total garbage. ☕

I’m seriously about to start calling up NBC to demand they rerun it. 😒

Kenneth Johnson12 said:I am familiar with all these films; I have seen some, and I fail to see how any of them qualify as masterpieces.

Are these supposed to be children's movies? I am asking seriously.

Patrick's list is desperate. Of everything listed, Blue Ruin is the only one that seems to have any potential. Fine, at least you provided one title. Perhaps I will get lucky with another one, who knows. Though I doubt it.

It is.

Newer American films.

That one show alone is enough to make all these other series look like amateur hour.
Honestly, it's just stupid even trying to compare them.
I don't see the point. 🤷
Zachary Nguyen2 Zachary Nguyen2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#204 ·
Kenneth Johnson12 said:I am familiar with all these films; I have seen some, and I fail to see how any of them qualify as masterpieces.

Are these supposed to be children's movies? I am asking seriously.

Patrick's list is desperate. Of everything listed, Blue Ruin is the only one that seems to have any potential. Fine, at least you provided one title. Perhaps I will get lucky with another one, who knows. Though I doubt it.

It is.

Newer American films.

How much newer? Like within 10 years?
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
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#205 ·
Quote : shadow
I never said people... Most people? Hardly. Is anyone actually in control here? They actually think movies are better than TV series? Really?
It simply doesn't exist. What's the general consensus?In art, there is no such thing as a generalization. Why should there be?
You constantly claim that films are superior to series, and you present it as an absolute fact rather than just your own opinion. Is it really necessary to be so arrogant?
Everyone has some excuse ready, claiming it’s "art" or just a matter of taste. Is that really all there is to it?

Quote : shadow
They don't have them.
How can garbage actually impact the success of global cinema? Garbage is garbage, no matter how many people watch it.
Make up your mind. Is it actually garbage, or is it just a matter of taste that it's garbage?
Most people flock to these movies. Since when did popularity become a metric for quality? How can you be so sure they’re actually trash?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50,
This isn't even about movies or TV shows anymore; it’s a fundamental clash of worldviews. Europe, Asia, and South America aren't just some "rest of the world." They aren't just sources for what you call "perfectly decent" films that you've unilaterally dismissed as boring and uninteresting to audiences. Which audiences exactly?

That "studio," shadowangler50, produces absolute masterpieces, but let’s be real—not every film is meant for everyone. And people aren't just some mindless, brainless mass controlled by a central headquarters in Hollywood like you seem to think they are.

So, you've basically written off global cinema just because it doesn't match the Hollywood standard, all while bowing down to Hollywood as if they're the sole arbiters of what counts as art? Are you serious?

Thankfully for us cinephiles, nobody gets to dictate what true art is.
Who are you to decide if the first few seasons of The Wire are boring? Who are you to claim it's the greatest show ever made, or that Game of Thrones is just some exhausting piece of trash? You’re lecturing me on taste and artistic opinion, yet you clearly don't respect them yourself.

Maybe the audience obsessed with Hollywood movies is smarter. Maybe those Hollywood films are geniuses and Korean cinema is just trash. But how do you actually prove that?
As you claim, that's what constitutes art. Art is defined by beauty, and beauty is entirely a matter of taste. De gustibus non est disputandum.

We’re just spinning our wheels here. Why are we wasting so much time on this circular debate?
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#206 ·
Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
I never said people... Most people? Hardly. Is anyone actually in control here? They actually think movies are better than TV series? Really?
It simply doesn't exist. What's the general consensus?In art, there is no such thing as a generalization. Why should there be?
You constantly claim that films are superior to series, and you present it as an absolute fact rather than just your own opinion. Is it really necessary to be so arrogant?
Everyone has some excuse ready, claiming it’s "art" or just a matter of taste. Is that really all there is to it?

Quote : shadow
They don't have them.
How can garbage actually impact the success of global cinema? Garbage is garbage, no matter how many people watch it.
Make up your mind. Is it actually garbage, or is it just a matter of taste that it's garbage?
Most people flock to these movies. Since when did popularity become a metric for quality? How can you be so sure they’re actually trash?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50,
This isn't even about movies or TV shows anymore; it’s a fundamental clash of worldviews. Europe, Asia, and South America aren't just some "rest of the world." They aren't just sources for what you call "perfectly decent" films that you've unilaterally dismissed as boring and uninteresting to audiences. Which audiences exactly?

That "studio," shadowangler50, produces absolute masterpieces, but let’s be real—not every film is meant for everyone. And people aren't just some mindless, brainless mass controlled by a central headquarters in Hollywood like you seem to think they are.

So, you've basically written off global cinema just because it doesn't match the Hollywood standard, all while bowing down to Hollywood as if they're the sole arbiters of what counts as art? Are you serious?

Thankfully for us cinephiles, nobody gets to dictate what true art is.
Who are you to decide if the first few seasons of The Wire are boring? Who are you to claim it's the greatest show ever made, or that Game of Thrones is just some exhausting piece of trash? You’re lecturing me on taste and artistic opinion, yet you clearly don't respect them yourself.

Maybe the audience obsessed with Hollywood movies is smarter. Maybe those Hollywood films are geniuses and Korean cinema is just trash. But how do you actually prove that?
As you claim, that's what constitutes art. Art is defined by beauty, and beauty is entirely a matter of taste. De gustibus non est disputandum.

We’re just spinning our wheels here. Why are we wasting so much time on this circular debate?

So you're basically saying you judge every non-American film as boring and unrelatable, which is why "regular people" can't stand them? And even the ones who do like them only do so because Hollywood pumps out such garbage that a random movie from Romania suddenly looks like a masterpiece by comparison. Is that really how it works?

Art is all about taste. The quality of any movie or show really just boils down to the eye of the beholder, and my eye isn't exactly the same as yours, is it?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
I never said people... Most people? Hardly. Is anyone actually in control here? They actually think movies are better than TV series? Really?
It simply doesn't exist. What's the general consensus?In art, there is no such thing as a generalization. Why should there be?
You constantly claim that films are superior to series, and you present it as an absolute fact rather than just your own opinion. Is it really necessary to be so arrogant?
Everyone has some excuse ready, claiming it’s "art" or just a matter of taste. Is that really all there is to it?

Quote : shadow
They don't have them.
How can garbage actually impact the success of global cinema? Garbage is garbage, no matter how many people watch it.
Make up your mind. Is it actually garbage, or is it just a matter of taste that it's garbage?
Most people flock to these movies. Since when did popularity become a metric for quality? How can you be so sure they’re actually trash?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50,
This isn't even about movies or TV shows anymore; it’s a fundamental clash of worldviews. Europe, Asia, and South America aren't just some "rest of the world." They aren't just sources for what you call "perfectly decent" films that you've unilaterally dismissed as boring and uninteresting to audiences. Which audiences exactly?

That "studio," shadowangler50, produces absolute masterpieces, but let’s be real—not every film is meant for everyone. And people aren't just some mindless, brainless mass controlled by a central headquarters in Hollywood like you seem to think they are.

So, you've basically written off global cinema just because it doesn't match the Hollywood standard, all while bowing down to Hollywood as if they're the sole arbiters of what counts as art? Are you serious?

Thankfully for us cinephiles, nobody gets to dictate what true art is.
Who are you to decide if the first few seasons of The Wire are boring? Who are you to claim it's the greatest show ever made, or that Game of Thrones is just some exhausting piece of trash? You’re lecturing me on taste and artistic opinion, yet you clearly don't respect them yourself.

Maybe the audience obsessed with Hollywood movies is smarter. Maybe those Hollywood films are geniuses and Korean cinema is just trash. But how do you actually prove that?
As you claim, that's what constitutes art. Art is defined by beauty, and beauty is entirely a matter of taste. De gustibus non est disputandum.

We’re just spinning our wheels here. Why are we wasting so much time on this circular debate?

You? I personally called that new Hollywood flick trash and insisted that TV series are just better. Is anyone actually surprised?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Obviously, there were successful periods in the past referred to as golden ages. I never said series weren't successful before now. My point is that this is the absolute peak of all golden ages. We've never seen this many high-quality series packed into just a few years.

I have no idea what you think defines a successful or "golden" period. Success is built on viewership and popularity. Why do they film pilot episodes then? Why don't they just film a full season and skip the single episode test? Because everything revolves around ratings and popularity. It always has been, and it always will be.
I'm sure series from the fifties had higher viewership than what we see now. Go ahead, name those fifties series you've watched that actually meant something more than the shows airing today. I can easily list ten current shows that have massive audiences.
And why would anyone write books about this golden age while it's still happening? How could you possibly know what kind of impact current shows will leave? This mindset that "old is always better than new" isn't always grounded in reality.
More quality series lead to greater popularity, and greater popularity makes something more successful—more "golden." And if movies fail and the audience shifts even further toward series, that golden glow only gets brighter.

Movies have never been worse compared to series until this period. Now, series are definitively better.
Are you seriously suggesting that The Avengers, Spider-Man, Batman, Twilight, or The Hunger Games are better than Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, True Detective, or The Wire?

Look, Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of global cinema, but for you, everything just boils down to American movies and shows. There are great series outside the US too, but you'd never know it, right?

I already said it, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't actually mean a movie or series is any good. Does popularity even equate to quality anymore?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
I never said people... Most people? Hardly. Is anyone actually in control here? They actually think movies are better than TV series? Really?
It simply doesn't exist. What's the general consensus?In art, there is no such thing as a generalization. Why should there be?
You constantly claim that films are superior to series, and you present it as an absolute fact rather than just your own opinion. Is it really necessary to be so arrogant?
Everyone has some excuse ready, claiming it’s "art" or just a matter of taste. Is that really all there is to it?

Quote : shadow
They don't have them.
How can garbage actually impact the success of global cinema? Garbage is garbage, no matter how many people watch it.
Make up your mind. Is it actually garbage, or is it just a matter of taste that it's garbage?
Most people flock to these movies. Since when did popularity become a metric for quality? How can you be so sure they’re actually trash?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50,
This isn't even about movies or TV shows anymore; it’s a fundamental clash of worldviews. Europe, Asia, and South America aren't just some "rest of the world." They aren't just sources for what you call "perfectly decent" films that you've unilaterally dismissed as boring and uninteresting to audiences. Which audiences exactly?

That "studio," shadowangler50, produces absolute masterpieces, but let’s be real—not every film is meant for everyone. And people aren't just some mindless, brainless mass controlled by a central headquarters in Hollywood like you seem to think they are.

So, you've basically written off global cinema just because it doesn't match the Hollywood standard, all while bowing down to Hollywood as if they're the sole arbiters of what counts as art? Are you serious?

Thankfully for us cinephiles, nobody gets to dictate what true art is.
Who are you to decide if the first few seasons of The Wire are boring? Who are you to claim it's the greatest show ever made, or that Game of Thrones is just some exhausting piece of trash? You’re lecturing me on taste and artistic opinion, yet you clearly don't respect them yourself.

Maybe the audience obsessed with Hollywood movies is smarter. Maybe those Hollywood films are geniuses and Korean cinema is just trash. But how do you actually prove that?
As you claim, that's what constitutes art. Art is defined by beauty, and beauty is entirely a matter of taste. De gustibus non est disputandum.

We’re just spinning our wheels here. Why are we wasting so much time on this circular debate?

I’m not dictating anything; I’m just giving my take on what someone else said.
Do you seriously want everyone on this film forum to tack on a this-is-just-my-opinion disclaimer to every single post?

Beauty is subjective, yet tonight you decided to unilaterally label every non-American film as tedious and boring based on what "people" think. Let me ask you again—which people, and how exactly do you know what they're thinking?
Kenneth Johnson12 Kenneth Johnson12 Member
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#207 ·
Quote : shadow
James Garcia50 said:Masterpieces are subjective, smoky. It's all in the eye of the beholder, right?

Besides, like I told shadow earlier, this isn't a debate about American movies vs. American series, it's about movies vs. series, regardless of where they were produced.

Fine, you want recent American films that I consider top-tier.

Blue Ridge, Her, Enemy, Under the Skin, Coherence, The One I Love, Inside Llewyn Davis, Nebraska, The Cabin in the Woods...

I just finished watching The Cabin in the Woods. It was poor, truly poor. Coherence and The One I Love were already on my watchlist, and I intend to watch them along with the others. I appreciate the suggestions and hope they prove to be excellent. However, judging by The Cabin in the Woods, I have my doubts. We shall see. 🍿

Quote : shadow
Zachary Nguyen2 said:How much newer? Like within 10 years?

Within the last five years, at most.
To add to my previous point: I am looking for top-tier comedies and thrillers. While there have been some solid dramas and sci-fi films lately, those genres simply don't interest me personally. If you could suggest something within the requested genres—specifically psychological thrillers—that would be appreciated. 😍 For instance, I consider the following to be top-tier films within their respective genres: Identity (2003), Shutter Island, Seven, Exam, Bridesmaids, and Crazy, Stupid, Love.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
137 messages
joined Oct 2014
#208 ·
Kenneth Johnson12 said:Quote : shadow

I just finished watching The Cabin in the Woods. It was poor, truly poor. Coherence and The One I Love were already on my watchlist, and I intend to watch them along with the others. I appreciate the suggestions and hope they prove to be excellent. However, judging by The Cabin in the Woods, I have my doubts. We shall see. 🍿

Quote : shadow

Within the last five years, at most.
To add to my previous point: I am looking for top-tier comedies and thrillers. While there have been some solid dramas and sci-fi films lately, those genres simply don't interest me personally. If you could suggest something within the requested genres—specifically psychological thrillers—that would be appreciated. 😍 For instance, I consider the following to be top-tier films within their respective genres: Identity (2003), Shutter Island, Seven, Exam, Bridesmaids, and Crazy, Stupid, Love.

Hmm, if Identity is your idea of perfection, you’ll probably dig Stoker (2013) too.
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
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#209 ·
Quote : shadow
You're basically making this sweeping judgment that every non-American film is boring and fails to connect with "real people," which is why they reject them. Even those who claim to enjoy international cinema only do so because Hollywood churns out such garbage that a Romanian film suddenly looks good by comparison—even when it actually isn't. Is that really how it works?

Art is entirely subjective. The quality of any film or series really just comes down to the viewer's eye—and my eye, your eye, and his eye are all going to see things differently. Isn't that just how it works?
Movies are supposed to be entertainment; people watch them to unwind and relax, at least for the most part. American films are pure escapism, but since the plots are so recycled, they've become incredibly predictable and often insult the viewer's intelligence. They serve as entertainment, sure, but they fail to actually engage the audience on any meaningful level. Non-American films don't suffer from those specific flaws, yet they lack that mass appeal because their themes simply don't resonate with the general public. I'm not saying these movies are bad—I'm saying they aren't masterpieces.

And if you want me to prove it? I can't just throw a single number at you to settle this. It’s like trying to prove people were actually happier back in the Marshall era than they are now. But they were. They really were.

Let’s get one thing straight: I’m not talking about the quality of the films themselves. I am talking about current audience trends. I see this pattern clearly in a representative sample consisting of hundreds of regular moviegoers and series bingers. Why don't you provide an actual argument instead of just being contrarian?

Quote : shadow
What now? You personally called that new Hollywood film trash and insisted that TV series are better. Is that really your take?
Because they’re just trash. That isn't a matter of taste; it's a fact. If you try to excuse everything by calling it "subjective," then how are we supposed to distinguish between a good film and a bad one?
Maybe you didn't catch what I actually meant by that. I was addressing your theory that everything is just a matter of taste and can be excused that way. Well, it can't. There is a massive difference between having taste and being tasteless, and you can't pretend they're the same thing. You gain that sense through maturity and education; we all grow up learning the same fundamental values.

Quote : shadow
Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of world cinema, but I guess that's all you care about? Everything boils down to American films and US series for you, doesn't it? There are plenty of great shows outside the States, yet you stay conveniently silent about them.

I already said this, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't equate to quality. Does a massive audience actually make a movie or series any good? Not necessarily.
I watch shows from France, Denmark, Finland, or whatever other foreign country, but they just can't compete with American series. Foreign productions are completely negligible compared to what we have here in the States. Honestly, the only thing that even comes close in terms of viewership is a soap opera.
We aren't discussing quality here. We are talking about audience reception as defined by the ratings.

Quote : shadow
I’m not dictating anything. I am simply responding to your opinion with my own. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Do we really want to turn this entire forum into a place where every single post is cluttered with some useless catchphrase? This is just my opinion.?
Sure, go ahead and throw in a cliché when you can't back up your point. There’s a massive difference between objective reality and whatever version of it you've decided to invent in your head.

Beauty is subjective, yet you’ve gone ahead and labeled every non-American film as tedious and boring tonight according to "people". I ask you again—which people, and how on earth do you know what they think?

What, you want me to list their full names and addresses? Try using Google for once, see how people actually live, and find some actual opinions.
This isn't CSI; I shouldn't have to hunt down bulletproof evidence.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
137 messages
joined Oct 2014
#210 ·
Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
You're basically making this sweeping judgment that every non-American film is boring and fails to connect with "real people," which is why they reject them. Even those who claim to enjoy international cinema only do so because Hollywood churns out such garbage that a Romanian film suddenly looks good by comparison—even when it actually isn't. Is that really how it works?

Art is entirely subjective. The quality of any film or series really just comes down to the viewer's eye—and my eye, your eye, and his eye are all going to see things differently. Isn't that just how it works?
Movies are supposed to be entertainment; people watch them to unwind and relax, at least for the most part. American films are pure escapism, but since the plots are so recycled, they've become incredibly predictable and often insult the viewer's intelligence. They serve as entertainment, sure, but they fail to actually engage the audience on any meaningful level. Non-American films don't suffer from those specific flaws, yet they lack that mass appeal because their themes simply don't resonate with the general public. I'm not saying these movies are bad—I'm saying they aren't masterpieces.

And if you want me to prove it? I can't just throw a single number at you to settle this. It’s like trying to prove people were actually happier back in the Marshall era than they are now. But they were. They really were.

Let’s get one thing straight: I’m not talking about the quality of the films themselves. I am talking about current audience trends. I see this pattern clearly in a representative sample consisting of hundreds of regular moviegoers and series bingers. Why don't you provide an actual argument instead of just being contrarian?

Quote : shadow
What now? You personally called that new Hollywood film trash and insisted that TV series are better. Is that really your take?
Because they’re just trash. That isn't a matter of taste; it's a fact. If you try to excuse everything by calling it "subjective," then how are we supposed to distinguish between a good film and a bad one?
Maybe you didn't catch what I actually meant by that. I was addressing your theory that everything is just a matter of taste and can be excused that way. Well, it can't. There is a massive difference between having taste and being tasteless, and you can't pretend they're the same thing. You gain that sense through maturity and education; we all grow up learning the same fundamental values.

Quote : shadow
Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of world cinema, but I guess that's all you care about? Everything boils down to American films and US series for you, doesn't it? There are plenty of great shows outside the States, yet you stay conveniently silent about them.

I already said this, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't equate to quality. Does a massive audience actually make a movie or series any good? Not necessarily.
I watch shows from France, Denmark, Finland, or whatever other foreign country, but they just can't compete with American series. Foreign productions are completely negligible compared to what we have here in the States. Honestly, the only thing that even comes close in terms of viewership is a soap opera.
We aren't discussing quality here. We are talking about audience reception as defined by the ratings.

Quote : shadow
I’m not dictating anything. I am simply responding to your opinion with my own. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Do we really want to turn this entire forum into a place where every single post is cluttered with some useless catchphrase? This is just my opinion.?
Sure, go ahead and throw in a cliché when you can't back up your point. There’s a massive difference between objective reality and whatever version of it you've decided to invent in your head.

Beauty is subjective, yet you’ve gone ahead and labeled every non-American film as tedious and boring tonight according to "people". I ask you again—which people, and how on earth do you know what they think?

What, you want me to list their full names and addresses? Try using Google for once, see how people actually live, and find some actual opinions.
This isn't CSI; I shouldn't have to hunt down bulletproof evidence.

For some people—and I mean a lot of them—the only way they know how to have fun is through violence or war movies. But again, I'm not making a blanket statement; not every American film is just mindless entertainment.
Who's actually enjoying which movie? Honestly, it's all just guesswork at this point.
What does "big numbers" even mean to you? Are you saying a Cannes winner doesn't need a massive audience to count?

I wasn't even talking about them being geniuses. You just claimed that non-American films are "less valuable" and that people only think they're good because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
You're basically making this sweeping judgment that every non-American film is boring and fails to connect with "real people," which is why they reject them. Even those who claim to enjoy international cinema only do so because Hollywood churns out such garbage that a Romanian film suddenly looks good by comparison—even when it actually isn't. Is that really how it works?

Art is entirely subjective. The quality of any film or series really just comes down to the viewer's eye—and my eye, your eye, and his eye are all going to see things differently. Isn't that just how it works?
Movies are supposed to be entertainment; people watch them to unwind and relax, at least for the most part. American films are pure escapism, but since the plots are so recycled, they've become incredibly predictable and often insult the viewer's intelligence. They serve as entertainment, sure, but they fail to actually engage the audience on any meaningful level. Non-American films don't suffer from those specific flaws, yet they lack that mass appeal because their themes simply don't resonate with the general public. I'm not saying these movies are bad—I'm saying they aren't masterpieces.

And if you want me to prove it? I can't just throw a single number at you to settle this. It’s like trying to prove people were actually happier back in the Marshall era than they are now. But they were. They really were.

Let’s get one thing straight: I’m not talking about the quality of the films themselves. I am talking about current audience trends. I see this pattern clearly in a representative sample consisting of hundreds of regular moviegoers and series bingers. Why don't you provide an actual argument instead of just being contrarian?

Quote : shadow
What now? You personally called that new Hollywood film trash and insisted that TV series are better. Is that really your take?
Because they’re just trash. That isn't a matter of taste; it's a fact. If you try to excuse everything by calling it "subjective," then how are we supposed to distinguish between a good film and a bad one?
Maybe you didn't catch what I actually meant by that. I was addressing your theory that everything is just a matter of taste and can be excused that way. Well, it can't. There is a massive difference between having taste and being tasteless, and you can't pretend they're the same thing. You gain that sense through maturity and education; we all grow up learning the same fundamental values.

Quote : shadow
Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of world cinema, but I guess that's all you care about? Everything boils down to American films and US series for you, doesn't it? There are plenty of great shows outside the States, yet you stay conveniently silent about them.

I already said this, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't equate to quality. Does a massive audience actually make a movie or series any good? Not necessarily.
I watch shows from France, Denmark, Finland, or whatever other foreign country, but they just can't compete with American series. Foreign productions are completely negligible compared to what we have here in the States. Honestly, the only thing that even comes close in terms of viewership is a soap opera.
We aren't discussing quality here. We are talking about audience reception as defined by the ratings.

Quote : shadow
I’m not dictating anything. I am simply responding to your opinion with my own. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Do we really want to turn this entire forum into a place where every single post is cluttered with some useless catchphrase? This is just my opinion.?
Sure, go ahead and throw in a cliché when you can't back up your point. There’s a massive difference between objective reality and whatever version of it you've decided to invent in your head.

Beauty is subjective, yet you’ve gone ahead and labeled every non-American film as tedious and boring tonight according to "people". I ask you again—which people, and how on earth do you know what they think?

What, you want me to list their full names and addresses? Try using Google for once, see how people actually live, and find some actual opinions.
This isn't CSI; I shouldn't have to hunt down bulletproof evidence.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule; I'm just here for the movies and shows.

You don't have a clue what today's audience actually wants. Your hundreds of followers will go head-to-head with my hundreds of fans of modern American and Korean cinema, and honestly? It'll be a dead heat.

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
You're basically making this sweeping judgment that every non-American film is boring and fails to connect with "real people," which is why they reject them. Even those who claim to enjoy international cinema only do so because Hollywood churns out such garbage that a Romanian film suddenly looks good by comparison—even when it actually isn't. Is that really how it works?

Art is entirely subjective. The quality of any film or series really just comes down to the viewer's eye—and my eye, your eye, and his eye are all going to see things differently. Isn't that just how it works?
Movies are supposed to be entertainment; people watch them to unwind and relax, at least for the most part. American films are pure escapism, but since the plots are so recycled, they've become incredibly predictable and often insult the viewer's intelligence. They serve as entertainment, sure, but they fail to actually engage the audience on any meaningful level. Non-American films don't suffer from those specific flaws, yet they lack that mass appeal because their themes simply don't resonate with the general public. I'm not saying these movies are bad—I'm saying they aren't masterpieces.

And if you want me to prove it? I can't just throw a single number at you to settle this. It’s like trying to prove people were actually happier back in the Marshall era than they are now. But they were. They really were.

Let’s get one thing straight: I’m not talking about the quality of the films themselves. I am talking about current audience trends. I see this pattern clearly in a representative sample consisting of hundreds of regular moviegoers and series bingers. Why don't you provide an actual argument instead of just being contrarian?

Quote : shadow
What now? You personally called that new Hollywood film trash and insisted that TV series are better. Is that really your take?
Because they’re just trash. That isn't a matter of taste; it's a fact. If you try to excuse everything by calling it "subjective," then how are we supposed to distinguish between a good film and a bad one?
Maybe you didn't catch what I actually meant by that. I was addressing your theory that everything is just a matter of taste and can be excused that way. Well, it can't. There is a massive difference between having taste and being tasteless, and you can't pretend they're the same thing. You gain that sense through maturity and education; we all grow up learning the same fundamental values.

Quote : shadow
Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of world cinema, but I guess that's all you care about? Everything boils down to American films and US series for you, doesn't it? There are plenty of great shows outside the States, yet you stay conveniently silent about them.

I already said this, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't equate to quality. Does a massive audience actually make a movie or series any good? Not necessarily.
I watch shows from France, Denmark, Finland, or whatever other foreign country, but they just can't compete with American series. Foreign productions are completely negligible compared to what we have here in the States. Honestly, the only thing that even comes close in terms of viewership is a soap opera.
We aren't discussing quality here. We are talking about audience reception as defined by the ratings.

Quote : shadow
I’m not dictating anything. I am simply responding to your opinion with my own. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Do we really want to turn this entire forum into a place where every single post is cluttered with some useless catchphrase? This is just my opinion.?
Sure, go ahead and throw in a cliché when you can't back up your point. There’s a massive difference between objective reality and whatever version of it you've decided to invent in your head.

Beauty is subjective, yet you’ve gone ahead and labeled every non-American film as tedious and boring tonight according to "people". I ask you again—which people, and how on earth do you know what they think?

What, you want me to list their full names and addresses? Try using Google for once, see how people actually live, and find some actual opinions.
This isn't CSI; I shouldn't have to hunt down bulletproof evidence.

I figured it out. A little too well, actually.
You weren't even hinting at "my theory"; you had already laid that out before you and I even started talking. You basically walked in assuming modern American movies are total garbage, and since you think nothing else exists outside of US productions, you jumped straight to the conclusion that films are secondary to TV shows—as if there aren't any other options out there. It doesn't work like that.

shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
You're basically making this sweeping judgment that every non-American film is boring and fails to connect with "real people," which is why they reject them. Even those who claim to enjoy international cinema only do so because Hollywood churns out such garbage that a Romanian film suddenly looks good by comparison—even when it actually isn't. Is that really how it works?

Art is entirely subjective. The quality of any film or series really just comes down to the viewer's eye—and my eye, your eye, and his eye are all going to see things differently. Isn't that just how it works?
Movies are supposed to be entertainment; people watch them to unwind and relax, at least for the most part. American films are pure escapism, but since the plots are so recycled, they've become incredibly predictable and often insult the viewer's intelligence. They serve as entertainment, sure, but they fail to actually engage the audience on any meaningful level. Non-American films don't suffer from those specific flaws, yet they lack that mass appeal because their themes simply don't resonate with the general public. I'm not saying these movies are bad—I'm saying they aren't masterpieces.

And if you want me to prove it? I can't just throw a single number at you to settle this. It’s like trying to prove people were actually happier back in the Marshall era than they are now. But they were. They really were.

Let’s get one thing straight: I’m not talking about the quality of the films themselves. I am talking about current audience trends. I see this pattern clearly in a representative sample consisting of hundreds of regular moviegoers and series bingers. Why don't you provide an actual argument instead of just being contrarian?

Quote : shadow
What now? You personally called that new Hollywood film trash and insisted that TV series are better. Is that really your take?
Because they’re just trash. That isn't a matter of taste; it's a fact. If you try to excuse everything by calling it "subjective," then how are we supposed to distinguish between a good film and a bad one?
Maybe you didn't catch what I actually meant by that. I was addressing your theory that everything is just a matter of taste and can be excused that way. Well, it can't. There is a massive difference between having taste and being tasteless, and you can't pretend they're the same thing. You gain that sense through maturity and education; we all grow up learning the same fundamental values.

Quote : shadow
Spider-Man, Batman, and Hunger Games aren't exactly the pinnacle of world cinema, but I guess that's all you care about? Everything boils down to American films and US series for you, doesn't it? There are plenty of great shows outside the States, yet you stay conveniently silent about them.

I already said this, and I’ll say it again: high ratings don't equate to quality. Does a massive audience actually make a movie or series any good? Not necessarily.
I watch shows from France, Denmark, Finland, or whatever other foreign country, but they just can't compete with American series. Foreign productions are completely negligible compared to what we have here in the States. Honestly, the only thing that even comes close in terms of viewership is a soap opera.
We aren't discussing quality here. We are talking about audience reception as defined by the ratings.

Quote : shadow
I’m not dictating anything. I am simply responding to your opinion with my own. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Do we really want to turn this entire forum into a place where every single post is cluttered with some useless catchphrase? This is just my opinion.?
Sure, go ahead and throw in a cliché when you can't back up your point. There’s a massive difference between objective reality and whatever version of it you've decided to invent in your head.

Beauty is subjective, yet you’ve gone ahead and labeled every non-American film as tedious and boring tonight according to "people". I ask you again—which people, and how on earth do you know what they think?

What, you want me to list their full names and addresses? Try using Google for once, see how people actually live, and find some actual opinions.
This isn't CSI; I shouldn't have to hunt down bulletproof evidence.

Oh, really? Invisible?
Half of the modern hits on US TV are just remakes of European series.
Americans are out there buying the rights to Danish shows before they've even finished filming—so how are those creators "minor" while Americans are "dominant"?

And yeah, when we talk movies or shows, we’re always talking quality. Because if you try to argue that most people just love garbage, we end up right back at the Žikin dynasty.
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
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#211 ·
Quote : shadow
For some people—and I mean a lot of them—true entertainment means watching war and violence on screen. But let me tell you again: don't generalize. Not every American film is just "pure entertainment."
Who’s actually enjoying which film? It’s pure guesswork at this point.
What exactly does "a huge audience" mean to you? Are you suggesting a winner on NBC doesn't count if they don't have massive ratings?

We weren't even discussing genius. You flat out claimed that non-American films are "lesser," and that people only find them valuable because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule. I only care about films and series.
Take a look at those box office numbers. If a movie doesn't deliver actual entertainment, it's going to tank. Isn't that just common sense?
It’s common knowledge which genres draw the biggest crowds—the ones people actually turn to for entertainment. I'm not talking about every single person out there, just the majority. And let's face it, most American films are nothing more than pure entertainment.

I don't need to listen to ten million people claiming things were better under Marshall. A few hundred voices saying the same thing is more than enough to draw a conclusion.

Quote : shadow
You clearly have no clue what today's audience actually wants. When my hundreds of followers clash with your hundreds of fans of modern American film, it’ll be a fair fight.
I couldn't find your few hundred compared to my own several hundred. What exactly am I supposed to do with that?
It’ll drop from hundreds down to just a few dozen soon enough. We're looking at a sample where one side actually outweighs the other. This is where people with actual, differing opinions gather—not just a bunch of mindless echo chambers.

Quote : shadow
I figured it out, and frankly, far too well.
You didn't even allude to "my theory"; you stated it before you and I even started this debate. You began with the premise that modern American films are garbage, and since you apparently believe no films exist outside of the US, you jumped to the conclusion that movies are insignificant compared to series—American series, obviously, because in your world, nothing else exists. It's just not true.
It’s just the same old story: American movies and shows pull massive numbers while everything else gets ignored. We're talking about pure viewership here, not actual quality. Why does that even matter?

Quote : shadow
Are you kidding me? Negligible?
Half of all modern American series are just uninspired remakes of shows from Europe. Why can't anyone come up with an original idea anymore?
Americans are snatching up remake rights for Danish series before they even finish filming. Since the US dominates the global market and those creators are just playing in a much smaller league, isn't this just blatant industry bullying?

Exactly. When it comes to movies and series, quality should always be the benchmark. If you argue that most people just love garbage, aren't we just circling back to the era of Marshall?
And honestly, watching them is sixty times better than those Danish originals. Why even bother with the source material?
Most people just want entertainment, but there’s a massive difference between quality art and total garbage. That’s exactly why audience scores and critic ratings exist. Why else would we bother?
Kenneth Johnson12 Kenneth Johnson12 Member
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#212 ·
James Garcia50 said:Hmm, if Identity is your idea of perfection, you’ll probably dig Stoker (2013) too.

I will watch the first one as soon as I am able. 👍

The issue with this thread is that the title is poorly defined. In my opinion, it should have been: Why have most people started watching American series more frequently than films over the last few years?
That is how I interpreted this topic, which is why I am responding in this context. It seems others have interpreted the premise differently, leading to this misunderstanding.
Zachary Nguyen2 Zachary Nguyen2 Active Member
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#213 ·
Kenneth Johnson12 said:Quote : shadow

I just finished watching The Cabin in the Woods. It was poor, truly poor. Coherence and The One I Love were already on my watchlist, and I intend to watch them along with the others. I appreciate the suggestions and hope they prove to be excellent. However, judging by The Cabin in the Woods, I have my doubts. We shall see. 🍿

Quote : shadow

Within the last five years, at most.
To add to my previous point: I am looking for top-tier comedies and thrillers. While there have been some solid dramas and sci-fi films lately, those genres simply don't interest me personally. If you could suggest something within the requested genres—specifically psychological thrillers—that would be appreciated. 😍 For instance, I consider the following to be top-tier films within their respective genres: Identity (2003), Shutter Island, Seven, Exam, Bridesmaids, and Crazy, Stupid, Love.

I could give you over 50 movies from the last decade, but most of them would be from Asia or Europe.

Mr. Nobody
The Other Guys
21 Jump Street
Exam
The Revenant
Kick-Ass
Machete
The Company Men
The Ides of March
Sherlock Holmes
District 9
Limitless
How to Train Your Dragon, Horrible
Horrible Bosses
Up in the Air
Tucker & Dale vs the Wild
Megamind
The King's Speech
I Love You Phillip Morris
Due Date
Law Abiding Citizen
Four Lions is a British film, but I had to include it because it's just that good.
Invictus
The Hangover
Zombieland
Up
Pandorum
Law Abiding Citizen

Not all of them are masterpieces, but I gave them all at least a 7/10.
Zachary Nguyen2 Zachary Nguyen2 Active Member
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#214 ·
Samuel Robinson2 said:How many truly great TV series have ever been made?
Maybe fifty at most. Anyone can rattle off a hundred brilliant movies without breaking a sweat, but trying to name a hundred legendary shows? Impossible.
Sure, you could stretch the list if you’re easily impressed by endless procedurals about American cops, lawyers, forensic experts, or firefighters🙏, not to mention politicians and presidents, ad infinitum.
A question for the binge-watchers out there.
Why isn't there a show—or maybe I just haven't seen it—that celebrates the heroic work of American sanitation workers or municipal crews from NY, Boston, or LA? These guys are basically unsung warriors for peace and democracy. Beyond just being selfless, they possess a level of grit and intelligence that rivals any firefighter or crime scene investigator.
It’s high time someone fixed this massive oversight.

Even the British can probably name 50 top-tier series.
It's because a movie lasts maybe 2 or 3 hours, while a series gives you at least 10 hours per season.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#215 ·
Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
For some people—and I mean a lot of them—true entertainment means watching war and violence on screen. But let me tell you again: don't generalize. Not every American film is just "pure entertainment."
Who’s actually enjoying which film? It’s pure guesswork at this point.
What exactly does "a huge audience" mean to you? Are you suggesting a winner on NBC doesn't count if they don't have massive ratings?

We weren't even discussing genius. You flat out claimed that non-American films are "lesser," and that people only find them valuable because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule. I only care about films and series.
Take a look at those box office numbers. If a movie doesn't deliver actual entertainment, it's going to tank. Isn't that just common sense?
It’s common knowledge which genres draw the biggest crowds—the ones people actually turn to for entertainment. I'm not talking about every single person out there, just the majority. And let's face it, most American films are nothing more than pure entertainment.

I don't need to listen to ten million people claiming things were better under Marshall. A few hundred voices saying the same thing is more than enough to draw a conclusion.

Quote : shadow
You clearly have no clue what today's audience actually wants. When my hundreds of followers clash with your hundreds of fans of modern American film, it’ll be a fair fight.
I couldn't find your few hundred compared to my own several hundred. What exactly am I supposed to do with that?
It’ll drop from hundreds down to just a few dozen soon enough. We're looking at a sample where one side actually outweighs the other. This is where people with actual, differing opinions gather—not just a bunch of mindless echo chambers.

Quote : shadow
I figured it out, and frankly, far too well.
You didn't even allude to "my theory"; you stated it before you and I even started this debate. You began with the premise that modern American films are garbage, and since you apparently believe no films exist outside of the US, you jumped to the conclusion that movies are insignificant compared to series—American series, obviously, because in your world, nothing else exists. It's just not true.
It’s just the same old story: American movies and shows pull massive numbers while everything else gets ignored. We're talking about pure viewership here, not actual quality. Why does that even matter?

Quote : shadow
Are you kidding me? Negligible?
Half of all modern American series are just uninspired remakes of shows from Europe. Why can't anyone come up with an original idea anymore?
Americans are snatching up remake rights for Danish series before they even finish filming. Since the US dominates the global market and those creators are just playing in a much smaller league, isn't this just blatant industry bullying?

Exactly. When it comes to movies and series, quality should always be the benchmark. If you argue that most people just love garbage, aren't we just circling back to the era of Marshall?
And honestly, watching them is sixty times better than those Danish originals. Why even bother with the source material?
Most people just want entertainment, but there’s a massive difference between quality art and total garbage. That’s exactly why audience scores and critic ratings exist. Why else would we bother?

In what way does it fail? Does it just not exist anymore? Is it basically "entertain or die"? Are we supposed to believe that global cinema is dead and only American movies remain—even if most of them are total garbage?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
For some people—and I mean a lot of them—true entertainment means watching war and violence on screen. But let me tell you again: don't generalize. Not every American film is just "pure entertainment."
Who’s actually enjoying which film? It’s pure guesswork at this point.
What exactly does "a huge audience" mean to you? Are you suggesting a winner on NBC doesn't count if they don't have massive ratings?

We weren't even discussing genius. You flat out claimed that non-American films are "lesser," and that people only find them valuable because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule. I only care about films and series.
Take a look at those box office numbers. If a movie doesn't deliver actual entertainment, it's going to tank. Isn't that just common sense?
It’s common knowledge which genres draw the biggest crowds—the ones people actually turn to for entertainment. I'm not talking about every single person out there, just the majority. And let's face it, most American films are nothing more than pure entertainment.

I don't need to listen to ten million people claiming things were better under Marshall. A few hundred voices saying the same thing is more than enough to draw a conclusion.

Quote : shadow
You clearly have no clue what today's audience actually wants. When my hundreds of followers clash with your hundreds of fans of modern American film, it’ll be a fair fight.
I couldn't find your few hundred compared to my own several hundred. What exactly am I supposed to do with that?
It’ll drop from hundreds down to just a few dozen soon enough. We're looking at a sample where one side actually outweighs the other. This is where people with actual, differing opinions gather—not just a bunch of mindless echo chambers.

Quote : shadow
I figured it out, and frankly, far too well.
You didn't even allude to "my theory"; you stated it before you and I even started this debate. You began with the premise that modern American films are garbage, and since you apparently believe no films exist outside of the US, you jumped to the conclusion that movies are insignificant compared to series—American series, obviously, because in your world, nothing else exists. It's just not true.
It’s just the same old story: American movies and shows pull massive numbers while everything else gets ignored. We're talking about pure viewership here, not actual quality. Why does that even matter?

Quote : shadow
Are you kidding me? Negligible?
Half of all modern American series are just uninspired remakes of shows from Europe. Why can't anyone come up with an original idea anymore?
Americans are snatching up remake rights for Danish series before they even finish filming. Since the US dominates the global market and those creators are just playing in a much smaller league, isn't this just blatant industry bullying?

Exactly. When it comes to movies and series, quality should always be the benchmark. If you argue that most people just love garbage, aren't we just circling back to the era of Marshall?
And honestly, watching them is sixty times better than those Danish originals. Why even bother with the source material?
Most people just want entertainment, but there’s a massive difference between quality art and total garbage. That’s exactly why audience scores and critic ratings exist. Why else would we bother?

I don't see your couple hundred either. You don't take my word for it, so why should I trust yours? Just drop the link, then I'll send mine over—let's see who's actually pulling up and what they're watching.

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
For some people—and I mean a lot of them—true entertainment means watching war and violence on screen. But let me tell you again: don't generalize. Not every American film is just "pure entertainment."
Who’s actually enjoying which film? It’s pure guesswork at this point.
What exactly does "a huge audience" mean to you? Are you suggesting a winner on NBC doesn't count if they don't have massive ratings?

We weren't even discussing genius. You flat out claimed that non-American films are "lesser," and that people only find them valuable because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule. I only care about films and series.
Take a look at those box office numbers. If a movie doesn't deliver actual entertainment, it's going to tank. Isn't that just common sense?
It’s common knowledge which genres draw the biggest crowds—the ones people actually turn to for entertainment. I'm not talking about every single person out there, just the majority. And let's face it, most American films are nothing more than pure entertainment.

I don't need to listen to ten million people claiming things were better under Marshall. A few hundred voices saying the same thing is more than enough to draw a conclusion.

Quote : shadow
You clearly have no clue what today's audience actually wants. When my hundreds of followers clash with your hundreds of fans of modern American film, it’ll be a fair fight.
I couldn't find your few hundred compared to my own several hundred. What exactly am I supposed to do with that?
It’ll drop from hundreds down to just a few dozen soon enough. We're looking at a sample where one side actually outweighs the other. This is where people with actual, differing opinions gather—not just a bunch of mindless echo chambers.

Quote : shadow
I figured it out, and frankly, far too well.
You didn't even allude to "my theory"; you stated it before you and I even started this debate. You began with the premise that modern American films are garbage, and since you apparently believe no films exist outside of the US, you jumped to the conclusion that movies are insignificant compared to series—American series, obviously, because in your world, nothing else exists. It's just not true.
It’s just the same old story: American movies and shows pull massive numbers while everything else gets ignored. We're talking about pure viewership here, not actual quality. Why does that even matter?

Quote : shadow
Are you kidding me? Negligible?
Half of all modern American series are just uninspired remakes of shows from Europe. Why can't anyone come up with an original idea anymore?
Americans are snatching up remake rights for Danish series before they even finish filming. Since the US dominates the global market and those creators are just playing in a much smaller league, isn't this just blatant industry bullying?

Exactly. When it comes to movies and series, quality should always be the benchmark. If you argue that most people just love garbage, aren't we just circling back to the era of Marshall?
And honestly, watching them is sixty times better than those Danish originals. Why even bother with the source material?
Most people just want entertainment, but there’s a massive difference between quality art and total garbage. That’s exactly why audience scores and critic ratings exist. Why else would we bother?

Where there's art, there's quality. Isn't it always that way?
Turkish series are huge over here and pull massive numbers, but they don't really fit your argument, do they?

Quote : shadow
shadowangler50 said:Quote : shadow
For some people—and I mean a lot of them—true entertainment means watching war and violence on screen. But let me tell you again: don't generalize. Not every American film is just "pure entertainment."
Who’s actually enjoying which film? It’s pure guesswork at this point.
What exactly does "a huge audience" mean to you? Are you suggesting a winner on NBC doesn't count if they don't have massive ratings?

We weren't even discussing genius. You flat out claimed that non-American films are "lesser," and that people only find them valuable because Hollywood production has brainwashed them.

I couldn't care less about how happy people were under Marshall's rule. I only care about films and series.
Take a look at those box office numbers. If a movie doesn't deliver actual entertainment, it's going to tank. Isn't that just common sense?
It’s common knowledge which genres draw the biggest crowds—the ones people actually turn to for entertainment. I'm not talking about every single person out there, just the majority. And let's face it, most American films are nothing more than pure entertainment.

I don't need to listen to ten million people claiming things were better under Marshall. A few hundred voices saying the same thing is more than enough to draw a conclusion.

Quote : shadow
You clearly have no clue what today's audience actually wants. When my hundreds of followers clash with your hundreds of fans of modern American film, it’ll be a fair fight.
I couldn't find your few hundred compared to my own several hundred. What exactly am I supposed to do with that?
It’ll drop from hundreds down to just a few dozen soon enough. We're looking at a sample where one side actually outweighs the other. This is where people with actual, differing opinions gather—not just a bunch of mindless echo chambers.

Quote : shadow
I figured it out, and frankly, far too well.
You didn't even allude to "my theory"; you stated it before you and I even started this debate. You began with the premise that modern American films are garbage, and since you apparently believe no films exist outside of the US, you jumped to the conclusion that movies are insignificant compared to series—American series, obviously, because in your world, nothing else exists. It's just not true.
It’s just the same old story: American movies and shows pull massive numbers while everything else gets ignored. We're talking about pure viewership here, not actual quality. Why does that even matter?

Quote : shadow
Are you kidding me? Negligible?
Half of all modern American series are just uninspired remakes of shows from Europe. Why can't anyone come up with an original idea anymore?
Americans are snatching up remake rights for Danish series before they even finish filming. Since the US dominates the global market and those creators are just playing in a much smaller league, isn't this just blatant industry bullying?

Exactly. When it comes to movies and series, quality should always be the benchmark. If you argue that most people just love garbage, aren't we just circling back to the era of Marshall?
And honestly, watching them is sixty times better than those Danish originals. Why even bother with the source material?
Most people just want entertainment, but there’s a massive difference between quality art and total garbage. That’s exactly why audience scores and critic ratings exist. Why else would we bother?

So what does that even prove? That there wouldn't be crowds watching if an original didn't exist? Like, would they just flock to see Romanians? Or Koreans?

Don't tell me you actually need critics to decide if a movie is worth watching or just straight-up garbage.
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
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#216 ·
@James Garcia50

I don't have the time, nor can I see any point in continuing this.

This thread is poorly defined, and frankly, I'm not even sure what we're debating anymore.
Are we discussing what's popular, or what's actually good?
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
137 messages
joined Oct 2014
#217 ·
@shadow,
I think Kenneth Johnson12 mentioned that the thread should have actually been titled:

Why has most of the audience shifted toward bingeing American TV series over American films in the last few years?
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
48 messages
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#218 ·
James Garcia50 said:@shadow,
I think Kenneth Johnson12 mentioned that the thread should have actually been titled:

Why has most of the audience shifted toward bingeing American TV series over American films in the last few years?

It’s because there are more high-quality series out there and far fewer quality films.
I don't see any other reason.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
137 messages
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#219 ·
shadowangler50 said:It’s because there are more high-quality series out there and far fewer quality films.
I don't see any other reason.

Besides, most of their ideas are just ripped off from European series or Asian films. They can't come up with anything original on their own.
Kenneth Johnson12 Kenneth Johnson12 Member
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joined Oct 2014
#220 ·
Zachary Nguyen2 said:I could give you over 50 movies from the last decade, but most of them would be from Asia or Europe.

Mr. Nobody
The Other Guys
21 Jump Street
Exam
The Revenant
Kick-Ass
Machete
The Company Men
The Ides of March
Sherlock Holmes
District 9
Limitless
How to Train Your Dragon, Horrible
Horrible Bosses
Up in the Air
Tucker & Dale vs the Wild
Megamind
The King's Speech
I Love You Phillip Morris
Due Date
Law Abiding Citizen
Four Lions is a British film, but I had to include it because it's just that good.
Invictus
The Hangover
Zombieland
Up
Pandorum
Law Abiding Citizen

Not all of them are masterpieces, but I gave them all at least a 7/10.

Unfortunately, I have seen most of them. Some are excellent, such as The Hangover and Zombieland, which are fantastic comedies. However, others are terrible. For instance, Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is a disaster and not funny at all. Perhaps that is just my personal taste.🤷

My conclusion remains unchanged: very few high-quality American films have been released recently, whereas there is an abundance of quality series being produced constantly. It follows logically that people follow series more frequently for that reason.

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