Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

James Anderson5 said:Where on earth are you getting the idea that the Democrats despise Americans? What's your reasoning there? That sounds like typical GOP campaign rhetoric used when they don't actually have an economic plan, especially since they've lost even the most basic thinkers...

Plus, let's remember: during the last term, the GOP almost granted autonomy to minority groups, which was blocked in Congress. They also dealt with major legal scandals and sold off rights in our biggest national corporations through bribery. They’ve looted the country so thoroughly that they're practically the only party facing serious legal scrutiny for theft, despite having their people embedded everywhere in the judiciary, like the Supreme Court...

But somehow, you don't think *that* crowd hates America, yet you claim the Democrats do? Most of today's leadership is straight out of that old-school era of political corruption...

It's because they aren't doing what they actually need to be doing, plain and simple.
And let's be real, they knew exactly what was going on long before they even stepped into office.

At this point, I don't care about political leanings or party lines—we are neck-deep in a total mess, we need some brutal, painful cuts made right now, and nobody's touching it.

So yeah, looks like another betrayal in the works.

I can practically see them sitting there right now, smugly thinking, "Well, you asked for it, now deal with it."

Like, seriously, how was I supposed to know as some random outsider that the leadership was lying through their teeth and driving the whole country off a cliff before it was too late!?!?!?

And now somehow, I'm the one to blame!!!

These traitors are just as bad as those other guys, no more, no less.

Now I'm just sitting here waiting for the next "savior" to show up,
so someone else can come along and play the martyr for the third time in a row.

Alright, let's list out every major screw-up and scam the folks running this country have pulled. From day one until now. I mean literally, line by line. There's plenty of people here, so let's get a quick overview going before we start sorting everything chronologically.

If you want an honest assessment of this administration's performance, just look at these two charts:
https://trzistakapitala.files.wordpr...p-ist-eu-1.jpg
https://trzistakapitala.files.wordpr...p-ist-eu-2.jpg

This government is going to leave behind a smaller GDP than the one they inherited when they took office!

When you weigh everything out—and I am speaking strictly from the standpoint of economic indicators (if I were looking at anything else, the picture would be even uglier)—the current President's "net output" is deep in the red. And no, you can't excuse this by constantly whining about the failures of the previous administration. We hear those excuses on repeat like a broken record, but let’s get real: we are only just now crawling out of a recession, while the rest of the developed world managed to achieve that three years ago. Even the previous Republican administration saw growth before the elections—thin, sure, but still black ink on the page—and they lost anyway.

What the Democratic leadership has been doing since at least the last presidential election is nothing more than polarizing the political landscape. They try to scare the public with talk of "extremism" or the "fascistization of society," which serves one purpose: systematically destroying any chance for a third party to actually emerge.

The Republicans 🤦 aren't even politicians or cronies, they’re just straight-up criminals who need to be hauled off to jail. Even if some new faces pop up under the same banner tomorrow, nothing changes because the mindset stays exactly the same. The GOP can only function this way, which is why you basically need to wipe the party from existence and erase every trace of them. I know exactly what I'm talking about 😁 because I was actually a member back in '93, and I was among the first 150 members down in San Diego. ☕ We were being watched and monitored just so those same spies could end up working for the GOP later on 🤣

This current administration isn't just "not bad"—it’s actually doing a solid job when you consider the absolute mess they inherited. How were they supposed to know about a five billion dollar deficit in the healthcare system that some local regional provider tried to hide? Or the massive debt at the Port of Los Angeles that was also being covered up? It goes on and on

What the GOP has been pulling for three years now is just the waterfront redevelopment scandal in a different outfit. You have these political hypocrites everywhere; one guy writes about how a certain executive gifted a 25% stake plus one share to an associate, then turns around the next day on another thread defending the sale of a major telecom company by claiming it’s not really a "sale" since it's just a wholesale package deal 🤣 One day someone tells me we shouldn't judge a politician until there's a final verdict, but of course, that rule doesn't apply to someone like that local fraudster.

Who do you think replaced the old boss 😁? It wasn't some shady mobster, obviously; he was replaced by university professors making $15k a month or more 😁 without set hours, without anyone asking them questions, and barely showing up to work three days a week. Those professors are just leftovers from the old guard's politics, just like the judges. I even know a case where a municipal court judge is only 29 years old, but his entire family has official party cards.
The whole system is contaminated by these fake patriots who will use any means necessary to claw their way back into power. That’s why this government isn't bad, no matter how hard people try to spin it otherwise.

Honestly, I don't even know who I'd vote for at this point. I've never voted Democrat in my life, but all signs point to this being the first time 😁:

I can understand voting for the old guard if you're a complete sellout, but otherwise, you'd have to be seriously incompetent to do it ☕

If you think the Democrats' rhetoric is what’s killing off any third-party movement, you’re missing the bigger picture. The Republicans' rhetoric is what's crushing every other option out there. In the world they’ve built, there just isn't room for anyone else to breathe.

Walter Grant5 said:If you think the Democrats' rhetoric is what’s killing off any third-party movement, you’re missing the bigger picture. The Republicans' rhetoric is what's crushing every other option out there. In the world they’ve built, there just isn't room for anyone else to breathe.

Isn't President Biden's entire approach essentially just "us versus them"?

Honestly, just dissolve Congress already. What the hell are they even there for, sitting through four-year terms? If every administration just walks in with a massive majority anyway, then the opposition is basically just dead weight 🤷

Why are we even footing the bill for them if they can't spend those four years sniffing out everything that's broken? They should be ready to hit the ground running with their own agendas the second they take office—like a pack of hungry hounds you let loose at a racetrack.

And don't get me started on this "first 100 days" nonsense. You can see all the rot in a single day, but no, we’re too busy being comfortable, lazy Americans who don't have the time.

Congress is hands down the biggest cancer in American society.

It's nothing but a smokescreen for corruption and shady dealings.

And backroom deals.

Keith Miller30 said:Isn't President Biden's entire approach essentially just "us versus them"?

I don't see any persecution or targeting going on here—though I've heard people claiming otherwise, and it definitely wasn't coming from Zoran. It’s simple. He’s framing it as a choice: you either have this administration working to pull the country out of the mess the Republicans caused, or you have the GOP. You pick: us, who are dragging the nation out of this recession, or them, who drove us into it, got blamed in court, and are now making empty promises.

Morgan Williams said:I don't see any persecution or targeting going on here—though I've heard people claiming otherwise, and it definitely wasn't coming from Zoran. It’s simple. He’s framing it as a choice: you either have this administration working to pull the country out of the mess the Republicans caused, or you have the GOP. You pick: us, who are dragging the nation out of this recession, or them, who drove us into it, got blamed in court, and are now making empty promises.

Yes, I am quite certain that is exactly what the President had in mind. 👍

Well, it seems we have discovered today that this administration isn't just decent, but actually quite exceptional. If that's the case, then I suppose we should simply sit back and offer our thanks to Zoran for his guidance, shouldn't we?

Man, even those guys were in on it, despite being the opposition. If they actually knew about all that embezzlement going on, why didn't they step up and make some noise in Congress? Why didn't they trigger a constitutional crisis or even just shut down the whole government if they had to? People are looking for a real fight here—like, hell, maybe even a brawl on the House floor—instead of everyone acting like a bunch of cowards. They just bark while the caravan keeps moving.

They’re supposed to be the ones representing us, so they need to show some actual backbone,
not just take their badges and suddenly start making a million excuses about how "we can't do this" or "it's not possible to do that"...

I'm not buying any of those excuses. Everyone on our side was paid off way too well for that.

Larry Fox5 said:You’re probably right—but if you vote for the lesser evil, that’s just straight-up pragmatism. Morally speaking, you'd be better off not voting at all since you're basically giving your own legitimacy to this administration even if you see them as just the lesser of two evils.

Let's not be naive here—you're never going to find a perfect option in politics, so the real question is how many of these choices are even remotely tolerable.

Since I live in Germany, if I actually had the right to vote, I’d go with the CDU—fully aware it isn't perfect, but it's far from it... calling it the lesser evil.

Perhaps it’s precisely because you don’t live here that you can afford such a high-minded, salon-style perspective on the matter.

For me, on the other hand, this is a very practical concern. Who is going to rob me less, who is going to embarrass me less, who is going to keep the state from being quite so inefficient... these are all questions I will feel personally over the next four years.

If someone offered to sodomize you with either a baseball bat or a toothpick—and one of those two options is almost certainly coming if you don't speak up—you would likely opt for the pragmatic solution too. And you would end up giving legitimacy to the toothpick for such a disgusting job.

Is there even any moderation happening here???

Honestly, just go ahead and ban everyone already before you realize what you've done. Screw the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and pretty much everyone else involved in this mess.

A bit of a shake-up might actually do some good.🙂

Classic. Nobody ever bothers to answer the actual question.

The most incompetent administration we've ever seen.

They never truly cared about America in the first place.

The most incompetent administration we've ever seen.

They never truly cared about America in the first place.

The most incompetent administration we've ever seen.

They never truly cared about America in the first place.

God, what a massive brainwashing operation.

And what’s truly exhausting is how this kind of mindless rhetoric will always manage to attract its small circle of self-proclaimed geniuses.

When you factor in the 20-25% who are directly—and quite literally—invested in seeing the Republican Party take power, we wouldn't be looking at the America we see today unless Tomislav Karamarko decided to publicly mate with Vasa in Times Square while reciting Karl Marx.

Keith Miller30 said:Yes, I am quite certain that is exactly what the President had in mind. 👍

Well, it seems we have discovered today that this administration isn't just decent, but actually quite exceptional. If that's the case, then I suppose we should simply sit back and offer our thanks to Zoran for his guidance, shouldn't we?

I am just trying to explain his point 🙂

It’s not "very good." It's just okay. If you compare them to their main rival, they might eventually look great. It's like comparing a kid who barely passes his classes to a student who's failing everything and facing expulsion. That kid isn't exactly a scholar, but compared to the failure, he looks fine.

Keith Miller30 said:Yes, I am quite certain that is exactly what the President had in mind. 👍

Well, it seems we have discovered today that this administration isn't just decent, but actually quite exceptional. If that's the case, then I suppose we should simply sit back and offer our thanks to Zoran for his guidance, shouldn't we?

Nah, my good man, it's not "great" because they're actually performing well.

It's "great" only because the situation was such a disaster that not a single independent economist or anyone else could have even come close to predicting how bad it would get. It's only great in that specific context. For God's sake, 😁 with all that highway debt coming due in the billions, there were extra billions just falling out of people's pockets. All those massive millions don't even count, and the hundreds of millions being covered up will just be swallowed up by some delayed Department of Justice indictment. 🤦

You know what, I'm not doing this anymore, my blood pressure is starting to... ugh 😁 plus I'm stuck using a tablet without that stupid autocorrect

Walter Grant5 said:Look, let's be clear: I am not out here defending this administration's terrible performance, but GDP growth isn't the only metric we should be looking at.

It’s not the *only* one, sure, but it is a fundamental economic indicator, and clearly, that is all anyone seems to care about around here lately. If we judge them solely by that standard, they're coming up empty-handed. And if that's the case, does it even make sense to keep going?

Morgan Williams said:I am just trying to explain his point 🙂

It’s not "very good." It's just okay. If you compare them to their main rival, they might eventually look great. It's like comparing a kid who barely passes his classes to a student who's failing everything and facing expulsion. That kid isn't exactly a scholar, but compared to the failure, he looks fine.

You’re explaining things, but only in the way that suits your own narrative, aren't you?

Morgan Williams said:I am just trying to explain his point 🙂

It’s not "very good." It's just okay. If you compare them to their main rival, they might eventually look great. It's like comparing a kid who barely passes his classes to a student who's failing everything and facing expulsion. That kid isn't exactly a scholar, but compared to the failure, he looks fine.

Well, that’s all well and good, I suppose. I've been listening in on the conversation, and it seems like even more extreme opinions are starting to surface.

Actually, let me make an edit. 🤣

Man, look, even Barcelona and Real Madrid absolutely loathe each other, but they’ll still sit down at the table when there's some massive higher interest at stake.
That's why Zoran Milanović can't just afford the luxury of, say, ignoring the President—what kind of message does that send to the nation?

The guy is just too stubborn and way too arrogant for the role of Prime Minister. We're all basically hostages to their massive egos. It's not right.

Raymond Harris4 said:If you want an honest assessment of this administration's performance, just look at these two charts:
https://trzistakapitala.files.wordpr...p-ist-eu-1.jpg
https://trzistakapitala.files.wordpr...p-ist-eu-2.jpg

This government is going to leave behind a smaller GDP than the one they inherited when they took office!

When you weigh everything out—and I am speaking strictly from the standpoint of economic indicators (if I were looking at anything else, the picture would be even uglier)—the current President's "net output" is deep in the red. And no, you can't excuse this by constantly whining about the failures of the previous administration. We hear those excuses on repeat like a broken record, but let’s get real: we are only just now crawling out of a recession, while the rest of the developed world managed to achieve that three years ago. Even the previous Republican administration saw growth before the elections—thin, sure, but still black ink on the page—and they lost anyway.

What the Democratic leadership has been doing since at least the last presidential election is nothing more than polarizing the political landscape. They try to scare the public with talk of "extremism" or the "fascistization of society," which serves one purpose: systematically destroying any chance for a third party to actually emerge.

Give me a break.

1. This economic crisis is nothing more than the inevitable bursting of Ivo Sanders's bubble. It was a massive, inflated nothingness—a quasi-growth built entirely on borrowed money. It was all happening within a disorganized, cowboy-style state where billions in tax revenue sit gathering dust in the desk drawers of bureaucrats on endless sick leave, while other billions are swallowed up by the octopus of corruption bred right there at the Mosque.

Besides, if we're going to argue over these numbers, we could just as easily say that this current administration first slowed down the catastrophic GDP collapse seen during the Republican Party's last two years, and then eventually swung it back into positive territory.

And honestly, I’m still waiting for someone to list those "brilliant" policy moves made by Sanders's government.

2. Polarization?

Who is it that, after a hundred years, has started up with the communists again?
Who is targeting those who never truly cared about America?
Who is leading with a government that doesn't represent the people?
Who has been organizing groups in camouflage uniforms, acting like a pseudo-military force in the middle of the capital for six months now?
Who is orchestrating comparisons between Ivo Josipović and Zoran Milanović and the foreign planes we once shot down?
Who decided to start lustration twenty-five years after the regime change?
Who is fueling debates about the '41 reassignments coming out of the White House?
Who organized the dividing of people into "loyal" and "disloyal" in El Paso?
Who shows up on talk shows hosted by declared Nazis, where every conversation boils down to "bad communists" versus "good Americans"?

Answer those questions first, and then maybe you can reconsider your stance on who is actually driving the ideological polarization in this country.