Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

The upper car features that exact same "thingamajig," it's just in black.

wiredfalcon2 said:Don't give me that crap. You wouldn't be the first one running away instead of "fighting for your home." What kind of retarded logic is that, saying they should be fighting for their homelands? Would you actually fight if Tomislav Karamarko cooked up a war with Bulgaria? Get a grip.

I guess you could try to find an example in history where young men were fleeing wars en masse and it was considered okay. In the chaos unfolding right now, it seems more like a struggle between ISIS and everyone else. Even back during the conflict in Canada, there were several sides involved, and it was seen as shameful for men to run away. I suppose people die in wars, and nobody wants it to be them, but as Robin Fox2 suggests, if they run, why should anyone help them? I think the videos speak for themselves; at the stations and on boats in Budapest, most of the people are healthy-looking young men. Meanwhile, critics keep bringing up dying children. It feels like comparing apples to oranges to me. Everything is being lumped together, even though those things aren't really related.

Jessica Gonzalez said:I guess you could try to find an example in history where young men were fleeing wars en masse and it was considered okay. In the chaos unfolding right now, it seems more like a struggle between ISIS and everyone else. Even back during the conflict in Canada, there were several sides involved, and it was seen as shameful for men to run away. I suppose people die in wars, and nobody wants it to be them, but as Robin Fox2 suggests, if they run, why should anyone help them? I think the videos speak for themselves; at the stations and on boats in Budapest, most of the people are healthy-looking young men. Meanwhile, critics keep bringing up dying children. It feels like comparing apples to oranges to me. Everything is being lumped together, even though those things aren't really related.

And look, it's a given that many of those guys have wives and kids. It's not like everyone over there waits until they're 30 to get married. They'll find a job way before any women show up, and Germany has a relatively straightforward process for reuniting asylum seekers with families left behind. Sweden, on the other hand, hands out citizenship after five years like it's nothing.

And yeah, I wouldn't fight for two minutes if the conflict were happening here, and that's not because of Karamarko, but because of Americans.

ambertinker41 said:And look, it's a given that many of those guys have wives and kids. It's not like everyone over there waits until they're 30 to get married. They'll find a job way before any women show up, and Germany has a relatively straightforward process for reuniting asylum seekers with families left behind. Sweden, on the other hand, hands out citizenship after five years like it's nothing.

And yeah, I wouldn't fight for two minutes if the conflict were happening here, and that's not because of Karamarko, but because of Americans.

When things were actually falling apart back home, people fought. There's a big difference between talking about it hypothetically and facing reality.

Jessica Gonzalez said:When things were actually falling apart back home, people fought. There's a big difference between talking about it hypothetically and facing reality.

It’s already been pointed out that we had a very clear "us versus them" dynamic here, whereas the situation in Syria is way more complicated than anything we dealt with during World War II in this region.

Talking about stuff hypothetically is one thing, but actually being a refugee from Syria is a whole different ballgame. So, you armchair experts scrolling on your iPhones, just back off. You’re lucky enough to have been born where you were, which means you can spend your days messing around online, grabbing coffee with friends after work, catching a game or a movie at night, doing whatever hobbies you want... if a better life was actually offered to you, you’d take it in a heartbeat. So quit your whining.

I mean, look at history. During the Allied offensives, Germans were basically mass-fleeing to the Middle East, Poles and Czechs were heading straight into Russia when Hitler was making his moves, and even the Russians were pivoting toward Japan. Even the French exodus to Portugal and the UK was so massive that French actually became an official language there. So, I don't get why everyone is acting so shocked now that Syrians are fleeing to the European Union. It’s happened before, right?
And honestly, us Americans have been incredibly lucky just to be born here. Because let me tell you, if someone is born in a place and isn't happy about it, something is definitely wrong with them—they probably need to go see a doctor or something.

We’re incredibly lucky to have been born where we were, but that stability didn't just manifest out of thin air; people bled to secure it. It’s honestly laughable to hear claims that things are harder elsewhere, considering that until about fifty years ago, there wasn't a single year of peace in Europe... 🤣 and that goes back all the way to the Roman Empire, a solid two thousand years... 🤣

There’s a great quote that perfectly captures the current state of affairs in Europe, though I can't pull it up right now since I'm on my phone... I'll find it later over some :kava;

Walter Grant5 said:Talking about stuff hypothetically is one thing, but actually being a refugee from Syria is a whole different ballgame. So, you armchair experts scrolling on your iPhones, just back off. You’re lucky enough to have been born where you were, which means you can spend your days messing around online, grabbing coffee with friends after work, catching a game or a movie at night, doing whatever hobbies you want... if a better life was actually offered to you, you’d take it in a heartbeat. So quit your whining.

Do you honestly think they would have any of this if those capable young men had fled to Germany back in '91? 🤔

Yeah. My uncle would probably just drive me straight to Germany and honestly, from that perspective, life would be a lot better there.

But whatever, it doesn't even matter. Things aren't the same. Even in Syria, in the zones they're dealing with, nothing is going to look anything like our situation anytime soon.

For God's sake, all anyone needs to do is end this damn war. If the major global powers actually had the will to make it happen, this entire crisis would have been settled ages ago. If these people hadn't meddled in places they had no business being, most of them wouldn't be knocking on the doors of the European Union right now. Honestly, they’d probably have a better quality of life back home than they do here.

Noah Roberts46 said:For God's sake, all anyone needs to do is end this damn war. If the major global powers actually had the will to make it happen, this entire crisis would have been settled ages ago. If these people hadn't meddled in places they had no business being, most of them wouldn't be knocking on the doors of the European Union right now. Honestly, they’d probably have a better quality of life back home than they do here.

"Everything." No one is going to foot the bill for that. Just throw it up for a referendum—ask if they want the country actively involved in a war thousands of miles away at a cost of millions of dollars a day—and see how it goes. It won't pass anywhere.

Any government that starts a war in Syria is going to lose their next election. It sounds stupid, but it just doesn't pay off.

Noah Roberts46 said:For God's sake, all anyone needs to do is end this damn war. If the major global powers actually had the will to make it happen, this entire crisis would have been settled ages ago. If these people hadn't meddled in places they had no business being, most of them wouldn't be knocking on the doors of the European Union right now. Honestly, they’d probably have a better quality of life back home than they do here.

Starting a war somewhere isn't that hard. Stopping one—well, that's much tougher.

Noah Roberts46 said:For God's sake, all anyone needs to do is end this damn war. If the major global powers actually had the will to make it happen, this entire crisis would have been settled ages ago. If these people hadn't meddled in places they had no business being, most of them wouldn't be knocking on the doors of the European Union right now. Honestly, they’d probably have a better quality of life back home than they do here.

Right, because it's just that simple, like you're playing some video game.🤦>

Of course it isn't simple—not by a long shot. But it’s something every single side should be striving for, yet right now, nobody seems interested in peace. Honestly, resolving the core issue should be easier than dealing with all the messy secondary problems that pop up because of it. The major powers need to stop playing games; they're the ones bankrolling the rebels and ISIS anyway. They need to quit meddling in other countries' business, and then this whole thing would just wrap up. But of course, they won't.

Jessica Gonzalez said:I guess you could try to find an example in history where young men were fleeing wars en masse and it was considered okay. In the chaos unfolding right now, it seems more like a struggle between ISIS and everyone else. Even back during the conflict in Canada, there were several sides involved, and it was seen as shameful for men to run away. I suppose people die in wars, and nobody wants it to be them, but as Robin Fox2 suggests, if they run, why should anyone help them? I think the videos speak for themselves; at the stations and on boats in Budapest, most of the people are healthy-looking young men. Meanwhile, critics keep bringing up dying children. It feels like comparing apples to oranges to me. Everything is being lumped together, even though those things aren't really related.

So, is this an example of that? I need numbers—how many young men fled? And how many are fighting or already dead? Just give me the raw figures.

Jessica Gonzalez said:When things were actually falling apart back home, people fought. There's a big difference between talking about it hypothetically and facing reality.

Give me an actual number. How many people were actually fighting?

Jessica Gonzalez said:I guess you could try to find an example in history where young men were fleeing wars en masse and it was considered okay. In the chaos unfolding right now, it seems more like a struggle between ISIS and everyone else. Even back during the conflict in Canada, there were several sides involved, and it was seen as shameful for men to run away. I suppose people die in wars, and nobody wants it to be them, but as Robin Fox2 suggests, if they run, why should anyone help them? I think the videos speak for themselves; at the stations and on boats in Budapest, most of the people are healthy-looking young men. Meanwhile, critics keep bringing up dying children. It feels like comparing apples to oranges to me. Everything is being lumped together, even though those things aren't really related.

Hey Sunček, why didn't you stay behind and fight against the corruption and crony capitalism back in the States? You're a young guy in his prime.

wiredfalcon2 said:Hey Sunček, why didn't you stay behind and fight against the corruption and crony capitalism back in the States? You're a young guy in his prime.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I haven't actually gone anywhere, though I suppose I've had plenty of chances. Is the solution to every problem just for everyone to move to Germany? Honestly, it feels like all of Eastern Europe thinks that way—like everyone should just give up and take a bus to Munich for a few extra hundred bucks. I guess the difference is that Germans didn't build their country by running away after things went south in World War II. That seems to be the distinction between them and many migrants. Some people focus on building something, while others maybe just wait for someone else to do it for them.

Jessica Gonzalez said:I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I haven't actually gone anywhere, though I suppose I've had plenty of chances. Is the solution to every problem just for everyone to move to Germany? Honestly, it feels like all of Eastern Europe thinks that way—like everyone should just give up and take a bus to Munich for a few extra hundred bucks. I guess the difference is that Germans didn't build their country by running away after things went south in World War II. That seems to be the distinction between them and many migrants. Some people focus on building something, while others maybe just wait for someone else to do it for them.

My bad, I thought you were working over in Sweden 🤦

And yeah, sure, the solution is for everyone to just pack up and move to wherever life is better. The Germans built their country through Marshall's plan—basically, other nations stepped in to rebuild their state just to stop the "red menace" from spreading. Debt forgiveness and pumping in cheap credit... that's what made Germany what it is. We don't have that luxury here, so whatever. Goodbye. I only get one shot at this life.

I guess if that’s the way things are going, we might see a billion Africans and another billion Asians arriving in the US.