Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

brightpilot6 said:I hold that assumption because it was confirmed by insiders—specifically, members of his own circle who were ultimately shown the door precisely because they resisted that direction. Isn't it just simple logic that when the only people being pushed out are those standing against the Republican Party, it tells a much louder story than any theory could? I honestly don't see how anyone can just look past that.

Yeah, that political guy (mostobran) actually confirmed it, though he eventually admitted his source was someone close to Stipe Petrin. First, Zoki tried playing the outsider angle with Prgomet, then came the whole Petrin situation, and now we have this latest attempt. God knows how many others are caught up in this.
And now we're all supposed to believe that Petrov somehow pulled off this masterstroke of manipulation, flipping 15 different people—most of whom didn't even know each other forty days ago—from all walks of life, and turned them all toward the Republican Party.
The Republican Party? Please. In recent years, they've become the go-to choice for your average American who barely finished second grade, or at least that charming little clique led by the charismatic Tomica and the mysterious Brkić, basically the darling party of those newspaper columnists who spend their lives manufacturing public opinion. For real, a massive chunk of actual conservatives won't even touch them.
Those 15 Bridge representatives were practically tripping over themselves to play their part and sign on alongside the Republican stalwarts, Jandroković, Albanka, Kosor, and that defector Mexican. As for the ones who refused to fall in line, well, they were handled by that handsome psychiatrist, Božo.

mellowotter36 said:They got handed a red card because they went rogue during negotiations and tried to poach representatives on their own.

Is that 🤣

saint Karamarko and Vaso haven't done a single thing to interfere with Bridge over these last five weeks outside of official channels. If you really believe that story, feel free to let it lull you to sleep.

Robin Fox2 said:What’s the deal with the cards? The Bridge party got dealt a bad hand right from the start, especially since they basically moved in with one minister and Petrin never even bothered to hide which side he was playing for. It was entirely earned...

Now, if someone actually sat Petrov down today and said, "Enough games, you know who you have to align with," then we're looking at a plotline worthy of a prime-time reality TV thriller, suggesting someone orchestrated this entire mess just to reach this point...

As for who is close to whom, people naturally gravitate toward certain sides; most lean toward the Republican Party, while a smaller group favors the Democratic Party, which isn't surprising given where the core of the Bridge party sits...

Honestly, I don't see anything changing tomorrow either; someone will inevitably screw up again, and Kolinda will step in to cut the Gordian knot, sending us straight back to new elections...

Rumors are already circulating (truthful ones, mind you, despite what suspicious sources claim) that three or four people have already left. Given everything that's gone down over the last month... anything is possible.

It’s wild how some people here seem to trust Zoki more than Petrov, especially when there's actual evidence showing he’s been trying to poach Bridge representatives for his own side all month.

Based on the deal made with Bridge, Joe Biden would be the Speaker of Congress. Honestly, I just can't see him stooping that low given how massive his ego is.

mellowotter36 said:They got handed a red card because they went rogue during negotiations and tried to poach representatives on their own.

Right, because clearly, that was exactly what he needed right before trying to hammer out a government coalition! As if he couldn't just wait for the actual signatures to come in, grab a seat at the table, and then systematically recruit people one by one until he had enough leverage to just brush off anyone who stands in his way. From Petrov all the way down the line!

Joe Biden might be a lot of things, but let me tell you, he isn't naive. At least not when it comes to looking out for number one.

Morgan Williams said:It'll show up right along with the IFO institute's economic forecast. ☕

🤣 Something like that,

I don't trust anyone, not even my own judgment ☕ Though I am reasonably certain that someone coerced Petrov, who then turned around and pressured the rest of them...

The "traitors" have been purged, leaving behind those who have held their ground remarkably well despite the endless negotiations and shifting sides they've faced along the way.

ironpanther5 said:Yeah, that political guy (mostobran) actually confirmed it, though he eventually admitted his source was someone close to Stipe Petrin. First, Zoki tried playing the outsider angle with Prgomet, then came the whole Petrin situation, and now we have this latest attempt. God knows how many others are caught up in this.
And now we're all supposed to believe that Petrov somehow pulled off this masterstroke of manipulation, flipping 15 different people—most of whom didn't even know each other forty days ago—from all walks of life, and turned them all toward the Republican Party.
The Republican Party? Please. In recent years, they've become the go-to choice for your average American who barely finished second grade, or at least that charming little clique led by the charismatic Tomica and the mysterious Brkić, basically the darling party of those newspaper columnists who spend their lives manufacturing public opinion. For real, a massive chunk of actual conservatives won't even touch them.
Those 15 Bridge representatives were practically tripping over themselves to play their part and sign on alongside the Republican stalwarts, Jandroković, Albanka, Kosor, and that defector Mexican. As for the ones who refused to fall in line, well, they were handled by that handsome psychiatrist, Božo.

You make a fair point; it’s much more realistic to believe that everything fell apart because of some random, out-of-nowhere call from the Democratic Party to one of his representatives, causing him to abandon a three-party coalition and most of the reforms the Republican Party had rejected. And then, he just gave blank support to some phantom parliamentary majority—though one wonders exactly what or who that majority was for—after he had previously, back when everything was still going smoothly, refused the signatures that would have already made him the leader. All of this just so he could sit down with Karamarko and Vance for twenty-four hours to handpick a hundred people for various positions and build a stable government from scratch. It sounds perfectly reasonable, doesn't it?

But really, it's all just speculation. The raw fact remains: anyone who isn't for the Republican Party is currently being tossed aside. I don't think there could be a clearer indicator than that.

mellowotter36 said:It’s wild how some people here seem to trust Zoki more than Petrov, especially when there's actual evidence showing he’s been trying to poach Bridge representatives for his own side all month.

Based on the deal made with Bridge, Joe Biden would be the Speaker of Congress. Honestly, I just can't see him stooping that low given how massive his ego is.

I am entirely convinced that both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party have been playing those exact same games. Even Petrov admitted previously that both sides were actively working it. Given that, calling this a "last-minute crisis" feels laughably absurd, doesn't it? Especially when you consider how much he's already gained and how certain he seems about the absolute loyalty of his own people.

Robin Fox2 said:I don't trust anyone, not even my own judgment ☕ Though I am reasonably certain that someone coerced Petrov, who then turned around and pressured the rest of them...

The "traitors" have been purged, leaving behind those who have held their ground remarkably well despite the endless negotiations and shifting sides they've faced along the way.

Precisely.

And if Karamarko has even a shred of common sense left, he could pull whatever moves he needs to tomorrow. After all, Bridge wouldn't even secure half of its current seats in the next election, a fact the current leadership isn't blind to. Who's to say Petrov won't end up as the head of The Cabinet, only to step down for "family reasons" in about six months?

Word on the street is things are looking pretty lopsided at the Bridge right now... if everyone decided to jump ship to the Republican Party tonight, then Petrov has clearly done a masterful job of brainwashing those remaining five...

Robin Fox2 said:Word on the street is things are looking pretty lopsided at the Bridge right now... if everyone decided to jump ship to the Republican Party tonight, then Petrov has clearly done a masterful job of brainwashing those remaining five...

Classic FBI tactics.

http://www.tulumarka.com/galerija/33...methodGet=true

Anyway, I’ve been feeling a bit under the weather lately...

Lead us to salvation, you clown, Bo!

By the way, regarding all this pressure being applied:

Well, yeah, it’s nothing more than just talk, isn't it?

brightpilot6 said:I am entirely convinced that both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party have been playing those exact same games. Even Petrov admitted previously that both sides were actively working it. Given that, calling this a "last-minute crisis" feels laughably absurd, doesn't it? Especially when you consider how much he's already gained and how certain he seems about the absolute loyalty of his own people.

Precisely.

And if Karamarko has even a shred of common sense left, he could pull whatever moves he needs to tomorrow. After all, Bridge wouldn't even secure half of its current seats in the next election, a fact the current leadership isn't blind to. Who's to say Petrov won't end up as the head of The Cabinet, only to step down for "family reasons" in about six months?

Why haven't the others who are practically in the Democratic Party's pocket been purged yet? Or do you actually believe that Prgomet and Petrin are some pillars of stability and integrity, while everyone else just nods along to whatever Bo serves them on a silver platter?

Prgomet is just looking for payback against the GOP, though I suspect he’s actually hurting inside because Zoki played him like a fool, letting the whole country watch as they cobbled together a coalition without a single expert from Bridge... and as for Petrin... the man is a total joke.

brightpilot6 said:You make a fair point; it’s much more realistic to believe that everything fell apart because of some random, out-of-nowhere call from the Democratic Party to one of his representatives, causing him to abandon a three-party coalition and most of the reforms the Republican Party had rejected. And then, he just gave blank support to some phantom parliamentary majority—though one wonders exactly what or who that majority was for—after he had previously, back when everything was still going smoothly, refused the signatures that would have already made him the leader. All of this just so he could sit down with Karamarko and Vance for twenty-four hours to handpick a hundred people for various positions and build a stable government from scratch. It sounds perfectly reasonable, doesn't it?

But really, it's all just speculation. The raw fact remains: anyone who isn't for the Republican Party is currently being tossed aside. I don't think there could be a clearer indicator than that.

So, looking at that first paragraph, after watching Zoki flip-flop every twelve hours, alternating between playing nice and having these schizophrenic outbursts about fascists, followed by more playing nice, I’m really not shocked that there was an attempt at one last desperate grab for power. He was probably just short about four signatures after dealing with the minority parties and Glavaš.
It’s actually pretty funny; it’s far more likely that Petrov just staged a massive tantrum for the cameras and then ran straight to Tomic, which gave the rest of the representatives a chance to finally catch their breath.
In my opinion, Petrov is basically the Alan Bastard type, while Zoki is just the helpful little altar boy.

As for the second part, anyone acting independently is out.

Robin Fox2 said:Why haven't the others who are practically in the Democratic Party's pocket been purged yet? Or do you actually believe that Prgomet and Petrin are some pillars of stability and integrity, while everyone else just nods along to whatever Bo serves them on a silver platter?

Prgomet is just looking for payback against the GOP, though I suspect he’s actually hurting inside because Zoki played him like a fool, letting the whole country watch as they cobbled together a coalition without a single expert from Bridge... and as for Petrin... the man is a total joke.

I don't think that's the case. In my view, everyone involved is being incredibly pragmatic. As for this 10:5 ratio—firstly, we have to ask ourselves: who exactly was the one pushing that narrative in the first place? It brings us back to the old debate of rumors versus reality.

Furthermore, we could just as easily counter that specific story with the rumor that four more people are planning to leave. I suppose we'll find out tomorrow.

brightpilot6 said:By the way, regarding all this pressure being applied:

Well, yeah, it’s nothing more than just talk, isn't it?

Oh, there’s definitely pressure coming from every direction. If these rumors hold water, we might see a few more people from the Democratic Party's faction of the Bridge exit tonight, which would mean heading back to the polls tomorrow...🤷

And what’s the issue? I’ll vote for the Bridge again, and even if they only snag one seat—who cares—it’s enough to secure a two-thirds majority for the Living Wall government...

They didn't disappoint me, though I suppose they should have just picked a side from the start—which was really their only viable move if they wanted to actually get anything done. They should have laid out their terms, set a deadline, demanded an answer, and then either moved forward or collapsed the Government and called for new elections...

What Petrov attempted by trying to play both sides within the Bridge itself was a complete non-starter; you simply cannot reconcile those two factions...

Look, I’m honestly crossing my fingers for new elections—just waiting for Tomic to screw something up big time so I can go ahead and vote for Bridge all over again. Who knows? Maybe they’ll scrape together 5 seats, maybe they’ll pull a massive 25.
edit: changed "we" to "they" just so people don't think I'm actually part of the organization.

Robin Fox2 said:Oh, there’s definitely pressure coming from every direction. If these rumors hold water, we might see a few more people from the Democratic Party's faction of the Bridge exit tonight, which would mean heading back to the polls tomorrow...🤷

And what’s the issue? I’ll vote for the Bridge again, and even if they only snag one seat—who cares—it’s enough to secure a two-thirds majority for the Living Wall government...

They didn't disappoint me, though I suppose they should have just picked a side from the start—which was really their only viable move if they wanted to actually get anything done. They should have laid out their terms, set a deadline, demanded an answer, and then either moved forward or collapsed the Government and called for new elections...

What Petrov attempted by trying to play both sides within the Bridge itself was a complete non-starter; you simply cannot reconcile those two factions...

Exactly. Those idealistic spreadsheets were supposed to be the deciding factor, flaws and all, but once the GOP refused to touch local government reform (not to mention completely ignoring state-owned enterprise management, which was a massive campaign talking point for the Bridge party), everything just devolved into nonsense. At that moment, my respect for them plummeted, and there is absolutely no way I would trust them with my vote again today.

If they go ahead and form a government with Tomislav Karamarko, I wish them nothing but the best (which is to say, I wish the rest of us luck), but if the pressure is this intense now, you can bet it will be just as heavy once they are actually in power...

I really don't get the people obsessing over what a circus they managed to create; we've had a circus since this country was founded. It’s not as if they were tasked with showing us the true colors of our two main political parties—as if that hasn't been obvious for decades.

Lately, I’ve actually decided that if new elections happen—thanks to Bo—I’m giving them my vote. We’ve clearly stumbled upon a third option that completely trashed both major parties while actually sticking to their word and promises. Right now, though, they'll probably just vanish from the scene in a flash.