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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
ambertinker41 ambertinker41 Regular
273 messages
joined Jun 2012
#7201 ·
Come on, just drop a link or a source so we can actually see what you're talking about.
Walter Grant5 Walter Grant5 Regular
459 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7202 ·
Saw in the paper that Democrats and Republicans are teaming up against Eric Fox7. Tried digging for a link but came up empty.
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#7203 ·
Matthew Young35 said:Absence from Congress can simply be a tactical move in the opposition's parliamentary struggle.
The best recent example occurred when the opposition boycotted a session, leaving the ruling Republicans without a quorum to pass some piece of nonsense. It is a perfectly legal maneuver within our legislative system.

Would you really want the opposition to face financial penalties just for engaging in political maneuvering?

It isn't even a "struggle." Honestly, there weren't enough Republicans showing up to vote either, so why single them out? I wouldn't call it a strategic fight because they’ll show up once the party leadership forces those representatives to actually get to D.C.
ambertinker41 ambertinker41 Regular
273 messages
joined Jun 2012
#7204 ·
Walter Grant5 said:Saw in the paper that Democrats and Republicans are teaming up against Eric Fox7. Tried digging for a link but came up empty.

I heard on the radio that lawmakers are fighting the idea of pay-per-contribution in D.C. because they claim it’s too hard to quantify. Fine, I get that—it’s definitely not impossible to measure—but there needs to be a clear, set definition instead of just making it up as they go along.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#7205 ·
Congress is a peculiar institution.
I understand the frustration of watching an empty chamber on TV, but what actual value would be added by having someone sitting there who hasn't the slightest clue about the topic at hand? Congress passes laws governing virtually everything; naturally, no single representative can be an expert on every subject.
When matters of genuine national importance hit the floor, the chamber isn't usually quite so vacant.

In any case, the recent trend of criticizing members for missing sessions or abstaining from votes is, frankly, nonsense.
Walter Grant5 Walter Grant5 Regular
459 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7206 ·
If we're talking about the same situation, then the papers are just pushing misinformation. From what I read, the whole issue is about controlling how often representatives show up at the Capitol. They’re fighting against it just so they can keep pulling in a full salary even when they aren't there, while taking a pay cut if they actually miss work.
Walter Grant5 Walter Grant5 Regular
459 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7207 ·
Matthew Young35 said:Congress is a peculiar institution.
I understand the frustration of watching an empty chamber on TV, but what actual value would be added by having someone sitting there who hasn't the slightest clue about the topic at hand? Congress passes laws governing virtually everything; naturally, no single representative can be an expert on every subject.
When matters of genuine national importance hit the floor, the chamber isn't usually quite so vacant.

In any case, the recent trend of criticizing members for missing sessions or abstaining from votes is, frankly, nonsense.

How can you even have someone working in D.C. who doesn't understand the topic being debated? Everything is connected. One Rep's area of expertise is indirectly tied to another's. In my book, a Representative needs to be well-versed in all political domains.

Does a professor have to show up to a meeting if the topic has nothing to do with their field? Yeah. They do.

And it’s not really "punishment." They get their base salary, and if they work hard, they can pull in some extra through various ways. People don't even get overtime pay here, yet we have to force him to actually do his job. It's ridiculous.

Can they just show up and not vote?
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#7208 ·
Walter Grant5 said:How can you even have someone working in D.C. who doesn't understand the topic being debated? Everything is connected. One Rep's area of expertise is indirectly tied to another's. In my book, a Representative needs to be well-versed in all political domains.

Does a professor have to show up to a meeting if the topic has nothing to do with their field? Yeah. They do.

And it’s not really "punishment." They get their base salary, and if they work hard, they can pull in some extra through various ways. People don't even get overtime pay here, yet we have to force him to actually do his job. It's ridiculous.

Can they just show up and not vote?

They can.
But by showing up, the opposition would essentially be handing the majority exactly what they want on a silver platter. Is that really the goal?
In this specific instance, staying away from the polls isn't about being lazy. It’s a calculated move in a larger political battle within Congress.
Gregory Chavez Gregory Chavez Member
46 messages
joined Jul 2009
#7209 ·
The Chief of Staff of the Army headed off to some remote outpost near Gettysburg with his full combat gear. Unbelievable. 🤣🤣🤣 🙏
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
571 messages
joined Apr 2019
#7210 ·
Maduro is claiming global oil prices are tanking because of some massive conspiracy by OPEC nations and the U.S. to take him down by crashing his country's economy.

Good grief, 😂 apparently being a "modern leftist" requires having about half a brain cell left in your skull. Maybe even less, depending on where you live.

If we actually had this much oil, considering how clueless we are, people from Switzerland would be flocking to Miami just to work as summer waiters, yet here we are, still hungry.🙏
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#7211 ·
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
598 messages
joined Jun 2013
#7212 ·
Wild.
ironpanther5 ironpanther5 Active Member
235 messages
joined Mar 2019
#7213 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:
Maduro is claiming global oil prices are tanking because of some massive conspiracy by OPEC nations and the U.S. to take him down by crashing his country's economy.

Good grief, 😂 apparently being a "modern leftist" requires having about half a brain cell left in your skull. Maybe even less, depending on where you live.

If we actually had this much oil, considering how clueless we are, people from Switzerland would be flocking to Miami just to work as summer waiters, yet here we are, still hungry.🙏

Hold on, hold on, let’s not get ahead of ourselves with the drastic measures just yet; I think we can probably delay the ban on wearing bell-bottom jeans for a little while longer. ☕
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#7214 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:
Maduro is claiming global oil prices are tanking because of some massive conspiracy by OPEC nations and the U.S. to take him down by crashing his country's economy.

Good grief, 😂 apparently being a "modern leftist" requires having about half a brain cell left in your skull. Maybe even less, depending on where you live.

If we actually had this much oil, considering how clueless we are, people from Switzerland would be flocking to Miami just to work as summer waiters, yet here we are, still hungry.🙏

If we really had all that oil, the Republicans would have sold off every single drilling right under the table for a million bucks during their first term.☕
ambertinker41 ambertinker41 Regular
273 messages
joined Jun 2012
#7215 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:If we really had all that oil, the Republicans would have sold off every single drilling right under the table for a million bucks during their first term.☕

and then commit to buying them back at a 7.5x markup.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#7216 ·
To hell with the oil industry. Is anyone actually seeing anything worth discussing here?
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#7217 ·
Screw it image
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
571 messages
joined Apr 2019
#7218 ·
Honestly, I just pay for exactly what I use, and honestly? It’s the move. No hidden fees, no bullshit—just a clean bill and zero stress.
Jason Newman Jason Newman Active Member
160 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7219 ·
Dammit.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#7220 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:Honestly, I just pay for exactly what I use, and honestly? It’s the move. No hidden fees, no bullshit—just a clean bill and zero stress.

Because honestly, how else would you want to handle it, my friend?

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