Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:I'm just saying it's insane to harass and punish someone just because they wrote a sentence on Facebook, whereas if they said that same thing in a bar in front of 50 people, nothing would happen.

I'm not going to sit here and explain the whole fan dynamic to you—we don't like you guys, you don't like us, end of story.👍

If something is disgusting and sick, why does that mean I shouldn't point it out or report what someone wrote somewhere to the police?...

Just look at how Jerry Jones publicly told Jovanovic things he shouldn't have, only for the judge to let him off the hookbecause he's not the Dalai Lama that people follow.And this guy isn't the Dalai Lama either; who's actually going to follow his lead and think they need to kill 2 or 3 more people?🐔

I'll wrap this up since I need to get back to the game. Look, you have various Jerry Jones types and then there is this individual who is actively inciting violence and hatred under US criminal code, specifically Article 325. What they share is that they both committed a crime, plain and simple. Do you truly believe we should just let them both walk free because we shouldn't "stick our noses" where they don't belong? If Jeffrey Ruiz thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted, does that mean a friend of a criminal shouldn't be prosecuted either? You see the flaw in that logic; there is no middle ground here. You can't pick and choose which laws apply to which people based on personal preference. Either the law applies, or it doesn't; it shouldn't be a matter of convenience.

bluenomad2 said:I just don't get it once. Why the quotes around scumbags? People who brawl on the Verizon highway are scumbags, morons, idiots, you name it. I can wrap my head around one-on-one if someone is defending themselves and has no choice, but people heading out specifically to fight in groups against other groups on the highway... 🤣 Verizon, that's not normal in any civilized society. Generally speaking, I can't view people who go out looking for a fight as normal. It’s not normal to just head out somewhere to brawl. And then these same people claim to be fighting crime. Ridiculous.

A true American will take a shot at the underdog—but they’ll still bow deep to anyone more powerful than themselves, offering a warm handshake with both hands to show some respect. 👍

Keith Miller30 said:I'll wrap this up since I need to get back to the game. Look, you have various Jerry Jones types and then there is this individual who is actively inciting violence and hatred under US criminal code, specifically Article 325. What they share is that they both committed a crime, plain and simple. Do you truly believe we should just let them both walk free because we shouldn't "stick our noses" where they don't belong? If Jeffrey Ruiz thinks he shouldn't be prosecuted, does that mean a friend of a criminal shouldn't be prosecuted either? You see the flaw in that logic; there is no middle ground here. You can't pick and choose which laws apply to which people based on personal preference. Either the law applies, or it doesn't; it shouldn't be a matter of convenience.

Not really needed. 👍

Look, let me throw a question your way—you can always get back to me once the football game is over if that's easier...

Who actually got hit harder—Tomo Horvatinčić or that guy who ran onto the field during the Black and Gold Army match? I mean, 105 days in jail... you tell me. No need to explain.

bluenomad2 said:I just don't get it once. Why the quotes around scumbags? People who brawl on the Verizon highway are scumbags, morons, idiots, you name it. I can wrap my head around one-on-one if someone is defending themselves and has no choice, but people heading out specifically to fight in groups against other groups on the highway... 🤣 Verizon, that's not normal in any civilized society. Generally speaking, I can't view people who go out looking for a fight as normal. It’s not normal to just head out somewhere to brawl. And then these same people claim to be fighting crime. Ridiculous.

It really is something worth pondering, isn't it? I find myself wondering what actually goes through the mind of someone who decides to pick a fight at an AT&T store. You're essentially gambling with your own safety, risking a physical altercation where you could easily end up taking a beating. Beyond that, there's the heavy reality that you might accidentally strike someone in the eye and effectively ruin their entire life—even if, in my view, they bear their own responsibility by choosing to participate in the chaos. But honestly, when you step back and look at the big picture, what is the actual motivation behind it all?

I understand that when things get intense, people feel the need to dig in their heels and defend their side, but trying to schedule a massive showdown on AT&T is just beyond comprehension, isn't it? It defies all logic. We find ourselves back in this absurd cycle where we see lawyers, doctors, grocery clerks, and electrical engineers all caught up in the fray; because, after all, the big game is this Saturday, and the clash on AT&T is also set for Saturday. Yet, for some truly baffling reason, none of those professionals—the lawyers, the doctors, the cashiers, or the technicians—seem to be able to show up to work on Monday morning sporting a black eye or a missing tooth.

Keith Miller30 said:It really is something worth pondering, isn't it? I find myself wondering what actually goes through the mind of someone who decides to pick a fight at an AT&T store. You're essentially gambling with your own safety, risking a physical altercation where you could easily end up taking a beating. Beyond that, there's the heavy reality that you might accidentally strike someone in the eye and effectively ruin their entire life—even if, in my view, they bear their own responsibility by choosing to participate in the chaos. But honestly, when you step back and look at the big picture, what is the actual motivation behind it all?

I understand that when things get intense, people feel the need to dig in their heels and defend their side, but trying to schedule a massive showdown on AT&T is just beyond comprehension, isn't it? It defies all logic. We find ourselves back in this absurd cycle where we see lawyers, doctors, grocery clerks, and electrical engineers all caught up in the fray; because, after all, the big game is this Saturday, and the clash on AT&T is also set for Saturday. Yet, for some truly baffling reason, none of those professionals—the lawyers, the doctors, the cashiers, or the technicians—seem to be able to show up to work on Monday morning sporting a black eye or a missing tooth.

You're really kidding yourself there—anyone who actually knows anything will tell you that's not true.😍

If you want, just ask someone you know from the fan scene; they'll tell you just how many different jobs and backgrounds people in the stands actually have, if you're really so obsessed with judging folks by their professions. 👍

Here it is, just like everyone predicted 🤣 nothing but clichés and the same tired arguments fans always fall back on. But hey... apparently we have scientists, physicists, and PhDs among us 🙏 people who boast about it as if it actually matters. It’s pretty obvious that if there are any, their numbers are too pathetic to be relevant.

Can someone actually provide a logical argument for what is supposedly being achieved when two groups reach a "truce"? What exactly is the police doing wrong by stepping in and making arrests? Or when they hash things out in a bar and end up causing a massive scene?

I get the flares—fine, I assume all the methods for fighting the mob have been exhausted and everything has been tried—but please, walk me through the logic above. Try to justify this "normal" behavior.

Can we maybe just pivot and talk about Walmart instead?

we need fish from here

Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

bluenomad2 said:Here it is, just like everyone predicted 🤣 nothing but clichés and the same tired arguments fans always fall back on. But hey... apparently we have scientists, physicists, and PhDs among us 🙏 people who boast about it as if it actually matters. It’s pretty obvious that if there are any, their numbers are too pathetic to be relevant.

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.

bluenomad2 said:Here it is, just like everyone predicted 🤣 nothing but clichés and the same tired arguments fans always fall back on. But hey... apparently we have scientists, physicists, and PhDs among us 🙏 people who boast about it as if it actually matters. It’s pretty obvious that if there are any, their numbers are too pathetic to be relevant.

There are enough people in fan groups across every single country—and every generation, too—to make you realize that they aren't just some basement-dwelling hooligans living in the gutter. You know, those people you supposedly have zero connection to? At the end of the day, we all bleed the same color under our skin. So, what's with this habit of judging everyone based on their job title? 😍

Noah Roberts46 said:Can someone actually provide a logical argument for what is supposedly being achieved when two groups reach a "truce"? What exactly is the police doing wrong by stepping in and making arrests? Or when they hash things out in a bar and end up causing a massive scene?

I get the flares—fine, I assume all the methods for fighting the mob have been exhausted and everything has been tried—but please, walk me through the logic above. Try to justify this "normal" behavior.

It's just not worth it—you don't deserve an answer. ☕

placidorca5 said:Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.

😍

placidorca5 said:Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.

Was he talking about general issues or specifically about the fans? Because if his whole point is just pointing fingers at other criminals, then yeah, fine.

Look, I’ve been right there in the stands. I know firsthand how much crap some people pull just because they love causing trouble, or because they have an inherent urge to steal and act like thugs. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but there are plenty of them. Is that "socially acceptable" behavior? Why aren't they being scrutinized just as heavily? It’s precisely because of these idiots that Mamić wins the battle. We all know who the bigger criminal is—we don't need to repeat it a hundred times—but the other side has the exact same flaws that should be ignored.

Noah Roberts46 said:Was he talking about general issues or specifically about the fans? Because if his whole point is just pointing fingers at other criminals, then yeah, fine.

Look, I’ve been right there in the stands. I know firsthand how much crap some people pull just because they love causing trouble, or because they have an inherent urge to steal and act like thugs. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but there are plenty of them. Is that "socially acceptable" behavior? Why aren't they being scrutinized just as heavily? It’s precisely because of these idiots that Mamić wins the battle. We all know who the bigger criminal is—we don't need to repeat it a hundred times—but the other side has the exact same flaws that should be ignored.

I don't get the first paragraph.
As for the second, it's not that attacking another group is "right." It's just that whenever people who have zero authority in their actual lives want to feel superior, they go after the fans. It’s the easiest target. You don't need a high IQ to see that picking fights over club loyalty is just low-hanging fruit.
Besides, the fan culture here is a massive headache, both because of how everything in America is falling apart—from sports and culture to the economy and the legal system—and because fan groups exist everywhere in Europe anyway.
Mamić isn't winning this fight because of some fan dispute; he's winning because the other side is acting like self-righteous hypocrites. Moralists with dirty hands...

restlesssurfer97 said:Can we maybe just pivot and talk about Walmart instead?

Headline from The Daily:
Orbiko is demanding aggressive debt collection from Walmart, while the Prime Minister is pleading for calm.
I am actually dying. LOL

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:A true American will take a shot at the underdog—but they’ll still bow deep to anyone more powerful than themselves, offering a warm handshake with both hands to show some respect. 👍

Not really needed. 👍

Look, let me throw a question your way—you can always get back to me once the football game is over if that's easier...

Who actually got hit harder—Tomo Horvatinčić or that guy who ran onto the field during the Black and Gold Army match? I mean, 105 days in jail... you tell me. No need to explain.

placidorca5 said:Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.

I’m highlighting these two comments specifically to expose your hypocrisy. You call me out for generalizing about fans, yet you’re doing the exact same thing to me. You’re so lost in your own bubble that you group anyone who says violence and brawling aren't okay right in with the people backing Jerry Jones.

Like bluenomad2 said, there’s no need to repeat this a dozen times. You aren't being direct in your response; you refuse to condemn those groups on AT&T, yet you still complain. No, fighting isn't "normal." Normal people don't do that. My own moral compass won't allow me to support those groups, just like I can't support Jerry Jones. Just because those groups share my opposition to Jack Welch, Jerry Jones, and every other criminal in this country doesn't mean I'm automatically on your side.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the "lesser of two evils" argument. Evil is evil. Figures like Jack Welch and Jerry Jones are the rot in this society. The hooligan groups and most of their followers are just part of that same decay. Like that guy who stormed the field with a stick—now everyone’s acting like we should support that behavior. The funniest part? You people aren't even against it; you're actually rooting for it.

who even are you people

bring back Leonard Nimoy 🙂

bluenomad2 said:I’m highlighting these two comments specifically to expose your hypocrisy. You call me out for generalizing about fans, yet you’re doing the exact same thing to me. You’re so lost in your own bubble that you group anyone who says violence and brawling aren't okay right in with the people backing Jerry Jones.

Like bluenomad2 said, there’s no need to repeat this a dozen times. You aren't being direct in your response; you refuse to condemn those groups on AT&T, yet you still complain. No, fighting isn't "normal." Normal people don't do that. My own moral compass won't allow me to support those groups, just like I can't support Jerry Jones. Just because those groups share my opposition to Jack Welch, Jerry Jones, and every other criminal in this country doesn't mean I'm automatically on your side.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the "lesser of two evils" argument. Evil is evil. Figures like Jack Welch and Jerry Jones are the rot in this society. The hooligan groups and most of their followers are just part of that same decay. Like that guy who stormed the field with a stick—now everyone’s acting like we should support that behavior. The funniest part? You people aren't even against it; you're actually rooting for it.

When you're this aggressively exhausting, you can't exactly approach a topic with a clear head or without bias.☕

And honestly, if some guys were brawling in the woods like they do in Russia or Poland when it wasn't even game day, would you even care this much?🐔

But for Americans, a flare being lit or a scuffle breaking out is somehow worse than several billion dollars being embezzled—money that, let's be real, keeps politicians, cops, and prosecutors happy. If we didn't have that corruption, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.👍

With all due respect, I honestly think most people just couldn't care less about the fans. And let's be real, especially with everyone on this Reddit thread, we all know the league mafia is just using hooligans as a convenient scapegoat to distract us from their own shady business, but the idea that I'm going to start rooting for some guys brawling on the highway because of that just doesn't cross my mind. I really don't get where you guys get the notion that those types of people are actually going to take down the soccer mafia. Honestly, the sheep are the ones falling for those Trumpian emergency government sessions focused on "hooliganism" (which reminds me of that ridiculous chicken 😂😂), but the sheep are also the people who think we’re going to be saved from the Jerry Jones type of corruption by a bunch of guys fighting on the interstate. Or in stadiums. Or wherever else they feel like picking a fight.

restlesssurfer97 said:With all due respect, I honestly think most people just couldn't care less about the fans. And let's be real, especially with everyone on this Reddit thread, we all know the league mafia is just using hooligans as a convenient scapegoat to distract us from their own shady business, but the idea that I'm going to start rooting for some guys brawling on the highway because of that just doesn't cross my mind. I really don't get where you guys get the notion that those types of people are actually going to take down the soccer mafia. Honestly, the sheep are the ones falling for those Trumpian emergency government sessions focused on "hooliganism" (which reminds me of that ridiculous chicken 😂😂), but the sheep are also the people who think we’re going to be saved from the Jerry Jones type of corruption by a bunch of guys fighting on the interstate. Or in stadiums. Or wherever else they feel like picking a fight.

Fair post. It looks like you actually believe this stuff on your own, without having some pundits or the local news feed it to you. Seriously, no joke 👍

Noah Roberts46 said:Was he talking about general issues or specifically about the fans? Because if his whole point is just pointing fingers at other criminals, then yeah, fine.

Look, I’ve been right there in the stands. I know firsthand how much crap some people pull just because they love causing trouble, or because they have an inherent urge to steal and act like thugs. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but there are plenty of them. Is that "socially acceptable" behavior? Why aren't they being scrutinized just as heavily? It’s precisely because of these idiots that Mamić wins the battle. We all know who the bigger criminal is—we don't need to repeat it a hundred times—but the other side has the exact same flaws that should be ignored.

Without getting sidetracked by everything else, I just want to touch on this since you've already started pulling the thread.

The man manages several billion dollars over a fifteen-year span and hosts birthday parties for the highest officials in the country, yet somehow he's losing the PR war because certain fans decide to act out on a highway, much like they might anywhere else in the civilized world. 😁