#11041 ·
Morning. Well, yeah, obviously there's more of them now—congrats on finally noticing the hot water is running. Honestly, we've got enough people here to split into two separate teams if we wanted to.
Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)
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#11044 ·
What even is a snake lover? It’s a slightly more intense topic and you guys are already totally folding
#11045 ·
Help me out here—just admit you're pulling these theories straight from this philosopher's work
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#11046 ·
Patrick Martin said:Morning. Well, yeah, obviously there's more of them now—congrats on finally noticing the hot water is running. Honestly, we've got enough people here to split into two separate teams if we wanted to.
Sorry friend, but that sounds more like a marketing department from a factory of fantasies to me. I guess I have to wonder why I would even buy into those stories through some middleman? Or why I'd bother buying them if I already know they aren't true. I don't buy Herbalife for that exact same reason.
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#11047 ·
Amanda Evans2 said:But let’s be clear: the church and religion are not one and the same thing...
Help suggests there's some sort of inherent supremacy held by the Catholic Church over everyone on Earth, acting as if they are the sole gatekeepers of civilization and its peace
If we're being honest about the actual impact on global stability, the Catholic Church lands somewhere on the lower end of the scale when it comes to promoting true world peace...
So where would you put Islam, my good man? What scale or ladder are we even talking about here?
#11048 ·
haha, where on earth did you find this absolute clown?
nah man, I’m just thinking out loud here, getting a little deep with it. Not saying I'm right or anything, just my two cents.
nah man, I’m just thinking out loud here, getting a little deep with it. Not saying I'm right or anything, just my two cents.
#11050 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Sorry friend, but that sounds more like a marketing department from a factory of fantasies to me. I guess I have to wonder why I would even buy into those stories through some middleman? Or why I'd bother buying them if I already know they aren't true. I don't buy Herbalife for that exact same reason.
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They aren't fake, man. The problem is people. They'll take any noble achievement and absolutely wreck it with their primal instincts. That's literally what we're seeing happen right now.
#11051 ·
Amanda Evans2 said:bluebison47, just get this thing out of my sight already...
I honestly can't even... my brain is just completely spinning from this whole debate. 🙏
#11052 ·
darkseal9 said:So where would you put Islam, my good man? What scale or ladder are we even talking about here?
People have to consume an absurd amount of nonsense just to catch up to the Catholics.
Here are some actual figures and comparisons regarding "peacekeeping" done in the name of God...
The Crusades: 6,000,000
Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
Second Sudanese civil War: 2,000,000
Lebanese civil War: 250,000
World War II: 80,000,000
Holocaust (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
American Civil War: 1,000,000
Peasant Revolt: 250,000
First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
Jewish Diaspora (not Including The Holocaust): 1,000,000
The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
Islamic Terrorism since 2000: 150,000
Iraq War: 500,000
US western expansion (Manifest Destiny): 20,000,000
Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
Aztec human Sacrifice: 80,000
AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
#11053 ·
If there really are multiple gods out there, I suppose one should probably spend at least 70% of their time praying to Help.
#11054 ·
Patrick Martin said:To me, Jesus and the Bible feel more like a user manual. It’s all designed to be accessible, you know? Like, easy for any regular person to actually wrap their head around. It’s basically just a blueprint for how to act—a guide to navigating life. Anyone who doesn't get that, or refuses to accept it while trying to look superior (looking at you, atheists, who either totally miss the point or are just acting smart for the sake of it), is a complete idiot.
In this passage, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, calls for genocide against a neighboring group...
"The Lord Almighty says... 'Go now and strike Amalek, destroying everything they own. Show no mercy—man or woman, child or infant, even the livestock...' (1 Samuel 15:3)"
"Blessed is the one who pays you back for everything you did to us—the one who grabs your little ones and smashes them against the stones..." (Psalm 137:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel." (1 Peter 2:18)
Some pretty practical tips for navigating daily life while keeping the Catholic Church in your heart... 😁
Jessica Gonzalez said:Strictly from a conceptual standpoint, I guess there isn't much of a difference between Middle Eastern religions and science. Both essentially position humanity as the master of the rest of the world. They both claim to hold ultimate legitimacy. Religions suggest our role as rulers was granted by some deity, whereas science sort of bypasses that part and argues we have this inherent intellectual right to manipulate nature.
So, first you mentioned that one point, but this next part is more about the history of philosophy and science. It’s about Descartes, who basically argued that only humans, angels, and God possess consciousness. To him, everything else in creation was just a collection of mindless, unconscious robots—a sort of mechanistic view of the world blended with religion. Honestly, the guy sounds like a total psychopath... apparently, to prove his theories, he actually cut his wife's dog open while it was still alive and laughed while it screamed, thinking he was proving that the animal wasn't actually feeling pain, but was just reacting like an automaton...
Another similar figure was Bacon, who once famously wrote: "My only earthly wish is... to stretch the deplorably narrow limits of man's dominion over the universe to their promised bounds... [nature will be] bound into service, hounded in her wanderings and put on the rack and tortured for her secrets..."
I really believe we’re being guided toward a deeper connection with nature and its many wonders, learning how to work alongside it rather than just fighting against it... Modern technology isn't just nudging things along anymore; it actually has the strength to reshape and master the world around us...
Basically, science is built on its own specific philosophy and worldview. It’s nowhere near that idealized version we see where it's just a pure pursuit of truth or progress... Not to mention how it often lacks any real ethics, which apparently makes it okay to put millions of animals through useless testing or dissect them in school labs while we mess with the planet like this. And don't even get me started on the weapons industry and mass destruction, where at least half the science budget goes...
I'm on the same page as Byron regarding spirituality—it’s essential and part of who we are. That connection to nature is everything; the further we drift from it, the more unbalanced and unhappy we become. It feels like our modern lifestyle is designed to kill that spark within us, especially with a scientific philosophy that claims to have all the answers... though it'll soon try to invent them using an ideology built on Descartes and Bacon
You won't find that raw, primal spirituality in a Catholic Church, a mosque, or a synagogue. You might find it in the original teachings of Jesus, Buddha (who knows what their actual original messages were), Lao Tzu, or even shamans in ancient or remote cultures where "civilization" hasn't completely taken over yet
Ultimately, if anyone is feeling lost, they should just head out to the Rocky Mountains to a spot where there isn't a soul in sight. They'll realize pretty quickly what's actually missing from this version of the world we're being sold
#11055 ·
James Anderson5 said:In this passage, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, calls for genocide against a neighboring group...
"The Lord Almighty says... 'Go now and strike Amalek, destroying everything they own. Show no mercy—man or woman, child or infant, even the livestock...' (1 Samuel 15:3)"
"Blessed is the one who pays you back for everything you did to us—the one who grabs your little ones and smashes them against the stones..." (Psalm 137:9)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel." (1 Peter 2:18)
Some pretty practical tips for navigating daily life while keeping the Catholic Church in your heart... 😁
So, first you mentioned that one point, but this next part is more about the history of philosophy and science. It’s about Descartes, who basically argued that only humans, angels, and God possess consciousness. To him, everything else in creation was just a collection of mindless, unconscious robots—a sort of mechanistic view of the world blended with religion. Honestly, the guy sounds like a total psychopath... apparently, to prove his theories, he actually cut his wife's dog open while it was still alive and laughed while it screamed, thinking he was proving that the animal wasn't actually feeling pain, but was just reacting like an automaton...
Another similar figure was Bacon, who once famously wrote: "My only earthly wish is... to stretch the deplorably narrow limits of man's dominion over the universe to their promised bounds... [nature will be] bound into service, hounded in her wanderings and put on the rack and tortured for her secrets..."
I really believe we’re being guided toward a deeper connection with nature and its many wonders, learning how to work alongside it rather than just fighting against it... Modern technology isn't just nudging things along anymore; it actually has the strength to reshape and master the world around us...
Basically, science is built on its own specific philosophy and worldview. It’s nowhere near that idealized version we see where it's just a pure pursuit of truth or progress... Not to mention how it often lacks any real ethics, which apparently makes it okay to put millions of animals through useless testing or dissect them in school labs while we mess with the planet like this. And don't even get me started on the weapons industry and mass destruction, where at least half the science budget goes...
I'm on the same page as Byron regarding spirituality—it’s essential and part of who we are. That connection to nature is everything; the further we drift from it, the more unbalanced and unhappy we become. It feels like our modern lifestyle is designed to kill that spark within us, especially with a scientific philosophy that claims to have all the answers... though it'll soon try to invent them using an ideology built on Descartes and Bacon
You won't find that raw, primal spirituality in a Catholic Church, a mosque, or a synagogue. You might find it in the original teachings of Jesus, Buddha (who knows what their actual original messages were), Lao Tzu, or even shamans in ancient or remote cultures where "civilization" hasn't completely taken over yet
Ultimately, if anyone is feeling lost, they should just head out to the Rocky Mountains to a spot where there isn't a soul in sight. They'll realize pretty quickly what's actually missing from this version of the world we're being sold
Man, it’s honestly wild how you people constantly cherry-pick whatever bits suit your little narrative out of context. 🙏
The Bible basically recounts this massive, crucial era where all that heavy stuff was going down, walking through it until it hits the most important part—the resolution—and that’s what I’m talking about. Within that specific framework, I’m advocating for and mentioning faith.
Look, when you buy a new washing machine, the manual isn't gonna tell you all the ways you absolutely trashed your old one, so for God's sake, let's not take every single word literally here. 🙄
Think of it more like usage guidelines that you have to personally feel out and piece together yourself. Like a damn puzzle.
It’s like that thing they say: locate, apprehend, and transfer.
#11056 ·
Aren Catholicism—at least in the version curated for the average layperson—and "spirituality," defined as that introspective journey of questioning one's own soul and our collective place in the cosmos, fundamentally at odds with one another? This tension seems to exist within almost every institutional religion, though it feels most acute in this particular one, given how intensely centralized and organized it truly is.
What kind of genuine "process" can actually exist, let alone be necessary, when every detail regarding your life and the universe has already been mapped out through rigid dogma and divine commandments?
One could certainly spend a lifetime agonizing over the logical inconsistencies baked into the doctrine—things like original sin, purgatory, the Holy Trinity, the glaring contradictions between the Old and New Testaments, or those various strange heresies that crop up. But is that really spirituality? To me, it looks more like a quasi-intellectual struggle with impossible puzzles; it’s a series of illogical acrobatics originally engineered for the political agendas of the era, which are now served up to modern believers as profound metaphysical truths that supposedly require deep study and intense immersion just to grasp.
On a side note, I have to hand it to the Catholic Church; it is a masterclass in utility for the ruling classes, providing a toolkit for just about any scenario. It serves dictators and democrats alike, extremists and traditionalists with equal efficacy. It’s a perfect blend, featuring the institution of confession as a sort of "cheat code" for an endless number of lives in a game where the ultimate prize is eternal life. Perhaps we should have seen that coming. It explains quite well why they’ve managed to endure for so long.
What kind of genuine "process" can actually exist, let alone be necessary, when every detail regarding your life and the universe has already been mapped out through rigid dogma and divine commandments?
One could certainly spend a lifetime agonizing over the logical inconsistencies baked into the doctrine—things like original sin, purgatory, the Holy Trinity, the glaring contradictions between the Old and New Testaments, or those various strange heresies that crop up. But is that really spirituality? To me, it looks more like a quasi-intellectual struggle with impossible puzzles; it’s a series of illogical acrobatics originally engineered for the political agendas of the era, which are now served up to modern believers as profound metaphysical truths that supposedly require deep study and intense immersion just to grasp.
On a side note, I have to hand it to the Catholic Church; it is a masterclass in utility for the ruling classes, providing a toolkit for just about any scenario. It serves dictators and democrats alike, extremists and traditionalists with equal efficacy. It’s a perfect blend, featuring the institution of confession as a sort of "cheat code" for an endless number of lives in a game where the ultimate prize is eternal life. Perhaps we should have seen that coming. It explains quite well why they’ve managed to endure for so long.
#11057 ·
Patrick Martin said:haha, where on earth did you find this absolute clown?
nah man, I’m just thinking out loud here, getting a little deep with it. Not saying I'm right or anything, just my two cents.
And you're doing your "deep thinking" at three in the morning.
"Our church is the best and everyone else is garbage."
You have about as much depth as a septic tank.
#11058 ·
brightpilot6 said:Aren Catholicism—at least in the version curated for the average layperson—and "spirituality," defined as that introspective journey of questioning one's own soul and our collective place in the cosmos, fundamentally at odds with one another? This tension seems to exist within almost every institutional religion, though it feels most acute in this particular one, given how intensely centralized and organized it truly is.
What kind of genuine "process" can actually exist, let alone be necessary, when every detail regarding your life and the universe has already been mapped out through rigid dogma and divine commandments?
One could certainly spend a lifetime agonizing over the logical inconsistencies baked into the doctrine—things like original sin, purgatory, the Holy Trinity, the glaring contradictions between the Old and New Testaments, or those various strange heresies that crop up. But is that really spirituality? To me, it looks more like a quasi-intellectual struggle with impossible puzzles; it’s a series of illogical acrobatics originally engineered for the political agendas of the era, which are now served up to modern believers as profound metaphysical truths that supposedly require deep study and intense immersion just to grasp.
On a side note, I have to hand it to the Catholic Church; it is a masterclass in utility for the ruling classes, providing a toolkit for just about any scenario. It serves dictators and democrats alike, extremists and traditionalists with equal efficacy. It’s a perfect blend, featuring the institution of confession as a sort of "cheat code" for an endless number of lives in a game where the ultimate prize is eternal life. Perhaps we should have seen that coming. It explains quite well why they’ve managed to endure for so long.
Honestly, those religious dogmas are nothing compared to something like Communism.
I mean, we’ve all seen how that one "alternative path" actually played out; it collapsed everywhere across the globe. It popped like a soap bubble, yet people still cling to it in their heads. All this talk about being equal, some supposed universal truth for everyone that's dictated by others... like, how would anyone even know? 😂
Take the Catholic Church, for example. Why do they push for family values, upbringing, and the home? Isn't that the absolute foundation for everything? It's where we start from and where we always end up.
Good grief, you guys have no clue what you're blabbering about or who you're actually dragging through the mud.
#11059 ·
I guess you could say that Middle Eastern religions—both the ones still around and those long forgotten—really emerged from the specific social shifts following the last Ice Age. It wasn't necessarily a response to some deep spiritual longing, but more of a byproduct of the rise of agriculture. Once humans started managing fields and livestock, they began systematically controlling other living things, and it seems new gods were introduced to provide rewards or punishments based on harvests, while also giving people the perceived right to dominate nature. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all tend to place humanity at the center of the natural world. The beliefs held during the hunter-gatherer eras, which have mostly been lost to history, probably don't share much in common with modern faiths. Back then, maybe people didn't see themselves as masters of the earth, but just as one part of a much larger ecosystem. Nowadays, it feels like believers get most defensive when someone dares to compare them to primates or pigs. To me, that suggests modern religion functions as a tool to justify human dominance over the environment. These systems are essentially collections of myths, symbols, and slogans designed to build communities, which then go on to govern whatever they desire. Even if it's a collective fantasy, it clearly holds immense social power. You can see it everywhere—churches, governments, currencies—all built upon these shared fictions.
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#11060 ·
Patrick Martin said:Honestly, those religious dogmas are nothing compared to something like Communism.
I mean, we’ve all seen how that one "alternative path" actually played out; it collapsed everywhere across the globe. It popped like a soap bubble, yet people still cling to it in their heads. All this talk about being equal, some supposed universal truth for everyone that's dictated by others... like, how would anyone even know? 😂
Take the Catholic Church, for example. Why do they push for family values, upbringing, and the home? Isn't that the absolute foundation for everything? It's where we start from and where we always end up.
Good grief, you guys have no clue what you're blabbering about or who you're actually dragging through the mud.
I haven't made it through the entire thread yet, but I have to ask: has anyone here actually argued that communism could serve as a way to fulfill a person's spiritual needs? It’s honestly exhausting how quickly people jump to conclusions; the moment you dare to touch upon anything even remotely sacred, everyone immediately starts screaming "communism, communism" as if it's some sort of universal reflex. 🤣
Patrick Martin said:Honestly, those religious dogmas are nothing compared to something like Communism.
I mean, we’ve all seen how that one "alternative path" actually played out; it collapsed everywhere across the globe. It popped like a soap bubble, yet people still cling to it in their heads. All this talk about being equal, some supposed universal truth for everyone that's dictated by others... like, how would anyone even know? 😂
Take the Catholic Church, for example. Why do they push for family values, upbringing, and the home? Isn't that the absolute foundation for everything? It's where we start from and where we always end up.
Good grief, you guys have no clue what you're blabbering about or who you're actually dragging through the mud.
If by that failed "alternative" path you mean societies lacking the decisive influence of institutional religions, perhaps we should ask the Scandinavians how they feel now that their social structures have essentially collapsed?
Patrick Martin said:Honestly, those religious dogmas are nothing compared to something like Communism.
I mean, we’ve all seen how that one "alternative path" actually played out; it collapsed everywhere across the globe. It popped like a soap bubble, yet people still cling to it in their heads. All this talk about being equal, some supposed universal truth for everyone that's dictated by others... like, how would anyone even know? 😂
Take the Catholic Church, for example. Why do they push for family values, upbringing, and the home? Isn't that the absolute foundation for everything? It's where we start from and where we always end up.
Good grief, you guys have no clue what you're blabbering about or who you're actually dragging through the mud.
Does the Catholic Church truly hold life, family, and the home as its supreme values, or is that sentiment merely a convenient mask? It seems to me they only champion these principles when it serves their political agenda. When those ideals become inconvenient, the "supreme value" shifts overnight to whatever else is on the menu—be it war, nationalism, or rampant capitalism. They will offer a blessing to tanks if it means crushing certain families, and they’ll favor the sanctity of the home over the welfare of neglected children, provided those children aren't being raised in households that don't align with their specific tastes. Can we really trust a moral compass that turns a blind eye to corruption whenever it's being perpetrated by secular authorities they happen to find agreeable?
They only seem to care about raising children with actual values when they’ve already been given a free pass to subject them to systemic indoctrination. Is it really about family guidance if the groundwork was laid by institutional programming first?
And if you really want to get to the heart of the matter, what matters most is how, for decades now, people around here have consistently sided with those absolute crooks and moral degenerates—the very individuals who work tirelessly to undermine the sanctity of home and family in every way imaginable. It’s almost impressive, isn't it, how they manage to pull off the sheer audacity of selling us a narrative that they are actually the ones defending those very values? 🙏🙏
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