Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Carol Lewis said:🤣🤣

I honestly don't even know where to start with this one... it's just one of those things that stays on the back of your mind, you know? Like, you see something happen and you think, "Wait, is that actually how it works?" and then you spend the next three hours down a rabbit hole trying to make sense of it all... anyway, I was just sitting here thinking about everything we discussed earlier, and it really makes you wonder if we're looking at the whole picture or just the parts that are easy to see... turns out, it's usually the latter...

You only have half the battle won... just thinking back to the old days, because honestly, your sense of humor is pretty terrible...

I was just sitting here thinking about how much things have changed lately, you know, and it really got me wondering about the direction everything is heading... sometimes it feels like we're all just drifting without a compass, almost like that feeling you get when you're watching a game and everyone is just waiting for the whistle to blow, but nothing ever actually happens to break the tension... I was reading some stuff earlier, and it reminded me of what wiredrider9 was saying the other day about how people seem to lose sight of the core values that used to hold us together... it’s funny how that works, isn't it? How one small shift in perspective can change the whole landscape of a conversation... anyway, I didn't mean to ramble on like this, but my mind just kept looping back to it... it's just one of those things that stays with you, like a song you can't quite shake... kaže:

Hey Carol Lewis, I swear, I’m gonna lose it if you don't show up soon... seriously...

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Paul Martinez73 said:And that right there is the core of everything I've been saying for weeks, yet Tijs keeps calling me out—maybe he just doesn't get it...

Because think about it: someone working at that facility goes for a quick walk with a friend who doesn't even know they're positive, passes the virus along, that person comes into work and infects 40 seniors, and then five of them die.

Some people will just shrug and say, "They were old and sick anyway, they would have died regardless," but through sheer negligence and that kind of mindset, you might have actually robbed someone of two extra years of life.

I have a buddy whose whole vibe is just like wiredrider9: "It's no big deal, this virus isn't dangerous, it'll wreck the economy if we don't keep everyone working, the Swedish approach is best, or maybe the Belarusian way." Meanwhile, the guy won't leave his house for two weeks and wears gloves just to go to the grocery store.

I know a guy who tested positive, and I offered a friend to go visit him, bring him groceries, hang out for a bit, and all I got was silence. Total nothingness. I honestly don't get it; you catch a little flu, recover at home, and move on with your life... you can do whatever you want after that, so why act like it's such a massive deal?

The mortality rate in America is high because most victims are chronic patients or over 80, but the media is straight-up lying to us. Just yesterday, some guy in his middle age died who supposedly had no health issues—except, you know, he was immobile, had hypertension, and was obese, but sure, let's pretend he was perfectly healthy. What a joke. We shouldn't have copied Sweden; we should have done what South Korea did. But hey, you need a government with actual brains for that, not just a bunch of useful idiots who think locking down every living thing is the peak of intelligence. Oh, and don't even get me started on how much this country "cares" about the elderly and vulnerable—they're struggling to survive on pensions that barely keep them fed. But hey, according to certain politicians, a mature adult's life is somehow less important than a baby's. Health above all, right? Except when 30 people die every day from smoking in the US, then suddenly there are no regulations unless they can hike the price to pad the budget. Guess multinational corporations matter more than public health. Are you wearing tin foil on your head or something?🙄 😉

Excellent post 👍

White powder is really out here trying to educate us!
High fives all around! 🙌✨

wiredrider9 said:The mortality rate in America is high because most victims are chronic patients or over 80, but the media is straight-up lying to us. Just yesterday, some guy in his middle age died who supposedly had no health issues—except, you know, he was immobile, had hypertension, and was obese, but sure, let's pretend he was perfectly healthy. What a joke. We shouldn't have copied Sweden; we should have done what South Korea did. But hey, you need a government with actual brains for that, not just a bunch of useful idiots who think locking down every living thing is the peak of intelligence. Oh, and don't even get me started on how much this country "cares" about the elderly and vulnerable—they're struggling to survive on pensions that barely keep them fed. But hey, according to certain politicians, a mature adult's life is somehow less important than a baby's. Health above all, right? Except when 30 people die every day from smoking in the US, then suddenly there are no regulations unless they can hike the price to pad the budget. Guess multinational corporations matter more than public health. Are you wearing tin foil on your head or something?🙄 😉

I'm asking you again, you're from San Francisco, right? Are you actually going to stand by what you said, or are you just talking nonsense like usual?

I'll find someone for you in St. tomorrow. You go visit them, bring them some groceries, grab a coffee, and listen to them talk about their experience with the virus. They'll sneeze on you once or twice, and then you can just head home.

Of course, we'll document everything and you'll get $167 from me on top of it all. Seems pretty fair to me, 🤷

Look, we younger people aren't going to mess this up nearly as bad. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine us even being a major factor. But here's the thing: most of us are constantly around older folks—our parents, our grandmas, our grandpas. You might think you're being totally reckless, hanging out with your crew all week, cruising around town, chilling on park benches, grabbing beers, smoking a cigarette here and there... you feel invincible because you're young, right? Wrong. Then the weekend rolls around and you head over to your grandma's place for lunch or visit your folks, and boom. You end up passing something on to your parents or your grandparents. They're older, their immune systems aren't what they used to be, and they're vulnerable. What happens then?

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Look, we younger people aren't going to mess this up nearly as bad. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine us even being a major factor. But here's the thing: most of us are constantly around older folks—our parents, our grandmas, our grandpas. You might think you're being totally reckless, hanging out with your crew all week, cruising around town, chilling on park benches, grabbing beers, smoking a cigarette here and there... you feel invincible because you're young, right? Wrong. Then the weekend rolls around and you head over to your grandma's place for lunch or visit your folks, and boom. You end up passing something on to your parents or your grandparents. They're older, their immune systems aren't what they used to be, and they're vulnerable. What happens then?

What's the big deal? My grandma is already 75 with diabetes; she’s basically halfway to the grave anyway.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Look, we younger people aren't going to mess this up nearly as bad. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine us even being a major factor. But here's the thing: most of us are constantly around older folks—our parents, our grandmas, our grandpas. You might think you're being totally reckless, hanging out with your crew all week, cruising around town, chilling on park benches, grabbing beers, smoking a cigarette here and there... you feel invincible because you're young, right? Wrong. Then the weekend rolls around and you head over to your grandma's place for lunch or visit your folks, and boom. You end up passing something on to your parents or your grandparents. They're older, their immune systems aren't what they used to be, and they're vulnerable. What happens then?

They were probably going to die anyway 🤷

The folks in charge clearly checked their brains at the door months ago—maybe even earlier. Honestly, they should've just shut the borders tight and banned everyone except Americans coming home (and yeah, mandatory quarantine first, obviously). At the same time, nobody living here should be allowed to fly out for some damn ski trips or whatever other nonsense. And we need mandatory isolation for pensioners; let the Volunteers and the Dodo Army deliver food right to their doorstep. If they actually follow the rules, the government could toss out their utility bills for the period they're stuck at home. But if they decide to go rogue? Well, they shouldn't expect any medical help if they get sick—let them deal with it. Everything else can stay open, but we need strict entry controls for big-box retailers and stuff. Cafes and restaurants should have way fewer tables to keep people distanced, and schools or colleges need to keep running, provided they're disinfecting everything every single day.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Look, we younger people aren't going to mess this up nearly as bad. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine us even being a major factor. But here's the thing: most of us are constantly around older folks—our parents, our grandmas, our grandpas. You might think you're being totally reckless, hanging out with your crew all week, cruising around town, chilling on park benches, grabbing beers, smoking a cigarette here and there... you feel invincible because you're young, right? Wrong. Then the weekend rolls around and you head over to your grandma's place for lunch or visit your folks, and boom. You end up passing something on to your parents or your grandparents. They're older, their immune systems aren't what they used to be, and they're vulnerable. What happens then?

That same elderly person could literally die from a simple cold 🙄. My grandma passed away in just a few days from what seemed like something totally trivial—just a cold. One morning she just looked completely disoriented, the paramedics showed up, rushed her to the hospital, and then it turned into pneumonia and she was gone. She had some underlying health issues, too.

DEATH IS JUST A PART OF BEING HUMAN!

wiredrider9 said:The folks in charge clearly checked their brains at the door months ago—maybe even earlier. Honestly, they should've just shut the borders tight and banned everyone except Americans coming home (and yeah, mandatory quarantine first, obviously). At the same time, nobody living here should be allowed to fly out for some damn ski trips or whatever other nonsense. And we need mandatory isolation for pensioners; let the Volunteers and the Dodo Army deliver food right to their doorstep. If they actually follow the rules, the government could toss out their utility bills for the period they're stuck at home. But if they decide to go rogue? Well, they shouldn't expect any medical help if they get sick—let them deal with it. Everything else can stay open, but we need strict entry controls for big-box retailers and stuff. Cafes and restaurants should have way fewer tables to keep people distanced, and schools or colleges need to keep running, provided they're disinfecting everything every single day.

1. So you’re basically saying you’d want us to move faster than China? Closing the borders before the rest of the world even realized what was happening... Where are the Nobel prizes in all this?

2. And what about the Army and the Volunteers? Don't they have families at home? What if they’re carrying something they don't even know about? You know how it goes—you have a chronic condition and you don't even realize it yet. What if the Volunteers and the Dodo Army bring the Virus straight to the Pensioners?

3. How exactly would you manage nursing homes? Would the Special Police be patrolling them? Would that ATJ Lucko mine-clearing robot be the one delivering groceries?

4. I don't quite get why you'd need border controls and social distancing if the seniors are all stuck at home. What's the actual difference between a 30-year-old at a university and someone in a grocery store or a restaurant?

5. Who's supposed to teach at the schools and colleges then? Mountain Rescue USA?

Paul Martinez73 said:I'm asking you again, you're from San Francisco, right? Are you actually going to stand by what you said, or are you just talking nonsense like usual?

I'll find someone for you in St. tomorrow. You go visit them, bring them some groceries, grab a coffee, and listen to them talk about their experience with the virus. They'll sneeze on you once or twice, and then you can just head home.

Of course, we'll document everything and you'll get $167 from me on top of it all. Seems pretty fair to me, 🤷

Man, I seriously don't get you. What's your deal? Like, what is even the point of any of this?

wiredrider9 said:Man, I seriously don't get you. What's your deal? Like, what is even the point of any of this?

What do you mean "what point"? How about you actually stand by your claim that it's just Gripica 🤷
You're young, you've got no health issues, nothing to fear. Stop just talking trash on the internet and actually show up with some proof... 🤷

If someone told me to go visit a guy with the flu for $167, I’d already be halfway there because I know it wouldn't bother me one bit 🤷

Paul Martinez73 said:And that right there is the core of everything I've been saying for weeks, yet Tijs keeps calling me out—maybe he just doesn't get it...

Because think about it: someone working at that facility goes for a quick walk with a friend who doesn't even know they're positive, passes the virus along, that person comes into work and infects 40 seniors, and then five of them die.

Some people will just shrug and say, "They were old and sick anyway, they would have died regardless," but through sheer negligence and that kind of mindset, you might have actually robbed someone of two extra years of life.

I have a buddy whose whole vibe is just like wiredrider9: "It's no big deal, this virus isn't dangerous, it'll wreck the economy if we don't keep everyone working, the Swedish approach is best, or maybe the Belarusian way." Meanwhile, the guy won't leave his house for two weeks and wears gloves just to go to the grocery store.

I know a guy who tested positive, and I offered a friend to go visit him, bring him groceries, hang out for a bit, and all I got was silence. Total nothingness. I honestly don't get it; you catch a little flu, recover at home, and move on with your life... you can do whatever you want after that, so why act like it's such a massive deal?

So basically, you managed to blame the failures of major institutions on the general public. Do you actually realize how messed up that logic is?
That’s a state-run nursing home under government oversight, overseen by the exact same institutions that are demanding massive sacrifices from every single one of us, and this example just proves they’re doing a sloppy job. And somehow, you manage to pin their incompetence on all of us. Brilliant.🙂

Paul Martinez73 said:1. So you’re basically saying you’d want us to move faster than China? Closing the borders before the rest of the world even realized what was happening... Where are the Nobel prizes in all this?

2. And what about the Army and the Volunteers? Don't they have families at home? What if they’re carrying something they don't even know about? You know how it goes—you have a chronic condition and you don't even realize it yet. What if the Volunteers and the Dodo Army bring the Virus straight to the Pensioners?

3. How exactly would you manage nursing homes? Would the Special Police be patrolling them? Would that ATJ Lucko mine-clearing robot be the one delivering groceries?

4. I don't quite get why you'd need border controls and social distancing if the seniors are all stuck at home. What's the actual difference between a 30-year-old at a university and someone in a grocery store or a restaurant?

5. Who's supposed to teach at the schools and colleges then? Mountain Rescue USA?

1. Who would be out there guarding the China border? I mean, China is basically just one big totalitarian mess anyway.

2. I really don't see the risk of a soldier dropping off food to a pensioner if they’re wearing gloves and everything is disinfected. At the end of the day, you could just run regular tests on everyone in healthcare and the military—you just need the organization to pull it off, I guess.

3. As for the retirement homes, you’d just regulate them so nobody can visit, and make sure the staff gets tested constantly. But honestly, in this country, things usually turn into a circus because the administrators are all just political hacks looking for a paycheck—just look at the mess they've made in San Francisco.

4. Just have people wear gloves and masks, wash their hands... honestly, I wouldn't want any kind of restrictions on radio or anything like that.

5. In the schools, just let the professors teach, provided they’re getting tested regularly.

wiredrider9 said:That same elderly person could literally die from a simple cold 🙄. My grandma passed away in just a few days from what seemed like something totally trivial—just a cold. One morning she just looked completely disoriented, the paramedics showed up, rushed her to the hospital, and then it turned into pneumonia and she was gone. She had some underlying health issues, too.

DEATH IS JUST A PART OF BEING HUMAN!

Sure, but am I really going to be the one to send him to his grave through my own recklessness? How would I ever live with myself knowing I brought something into my house that ended up costing my old man his life?

Paul Martinez73 said:What do you mean "what point"? How about you actually stand by your claim that it's just Gripica 🤷
You're young, you've got no health issues, nothing to fear. Stop just talking trash on the internet and actually show up with some proof... 🤷

If someone told me to go visit a guy with the flu for $167, I’d already be halfway there because I know it wouldn't bother me one bit 🤷

Look, being sick is a joke. Yeah, in America it's a massive joke, but even with a 1% mortality rate, man, the average life expectancy is like 80+
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What are you even talking about, kid? Your brain is completely fried—did you eat 50 pounds of dry beans or something?

In bigger countries, mortality rates are higher too—it all depends on where you are, the healthcare system, how many hospital beds they actually have, and the population density.

Maybe the older generation would have better immunity if they actually had decent pensions, instead of having to survive on nutritional garbage from clearance aisles—stuff that's basically zero nutrition—while living under constant stress. They wake up in the winter wondering if they're going to eat today or pay to keep the heat on, and that's the reality for a ton of Pensioners. But you won't see politicians giving a damn about that. Now? Suddenly they care. Nope. Their biggest concern is just making sure they don't lose their cushy seats. They couldn't care less about any of us.

restlesssurfer97 said:So basically, you managed to blame the failures of major institutions on the general public. Do you actually realize how messed up that logic is?
That’s a state-run nursing home under government oversight, overseen by the exact same institutions that are demanding massive sacrifices from every single one of us, and this example just proves they’re doing a sloppy job. And somehow, you manage to pin their incompetence on all of us. Brilliant.🙂

What kind of "federal oversight" are we talking about here? Who actually works in that facility? Irresponsible people, that's who. It wasn't the government that brought the Virus into the home; it was some individual who thought they were invincible, walked right in, and infected the elderly.

wiredrider9 said:1. Who would be out there guarding the China border? I mean, China is basically just one big totalitarian mess anyway.

2. I really don't see the risk of a soldier dropping off food to a pensioner if they’re wearing gloves and everything is disinfected. At the end of the day, you could just run regular tests on everyone in healthcare and the military—you just need the organization to pull it off, I guess.

3. As for the retirement homes, you’d just regulate them so nobody can visit, and make sure the staff gets tested constantly. But honestly, in this country, things usually turn into a circus because the administrators are all just political hacks looking for a paycheck—just look at the mess they've made in San Francisco.

4. Just have people wear gloves and masks, wash their hands... honestly, I wouldn't want any kind of restrictions on radio or anything like that.

5. In the schools, just let the professors teach, provided they’re getting tested regularly.

1. Well, considering China was the only ones who knew anything about the Virus before two months ago, if you had closed the borders back then like you suggested, you would've had the info before anyone else.

2. And who would sell the groceries? Who would pack them or stock the shelves? The military too? Or what?
Military DoorDash? Would soldiers be zipping around on bikes delivering food?

3. Regularly tested? So you show up for your shift, get tested, wait for the results, and *then* start working? Is that your master plan? Because you could be negative today and positive tomorrow.

4. No restrictions, yeah, sounds great.

5. And teachers aren't old? They don't have chronic issues? Should they be tested every single day too? Before every lecture or what?

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Sure, but am I really going to be the one to send him to his grave through my own recklessness? How would I ever live with myself knowing I brought something into my house that ended up costing my old man his life?

Look, you’re killing him with that irresponsibility every time you vote for the Republicans or the Democrats—or even some local sheriff—or if you just skip the elections entirely. When those two parties just keep playing their endless games of destroying the country, they eventually tank everyone's pensions too. If someone is already chronically ill, all this nonsense can actually kill them.

wiredrider9 said:Look, being sick is a joke. Yeah, in America it's a massive joke, but even with a 1% mortality rate, man, the average life expectancy is like 80+
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What are you even talking about, kid? Your brain is completely fried—did you eat 50 pounds of dry beans or something?

In bigger countries, mortality rates are higher too—it all depends on where you are, the healthcare system, how many hospital beds they actually have, and the population density.

Maybe the older generation would have better immunity if they actually had decent pensions, instead of having to survive on nutritional garbage from clearance aisles—stuff that's basically zero nutrition—while living under constant stress. They wake up in the winter wondering if they're going to eat today or pay to keep the heat on, and that's the reality for a ton of Pensioners. But you won't see politicians giving a damn about that. Now? Suddenly they care. Nope. Their biggest concern is just making sure they don't lose their cushy seats. They couldn't care less about any of us.

wiredrider9 said:Look, you’re killing him with that irresponsibility every time you vote for the Republicans or the Democrats—or even some local sheriff—or if you just skip the elections entirely. When those two parties just keep playing their endless games of destroying the country, they eventually tank everyone's pensions too. If someone is already chronically ill, all this nonsense can actually kill them.

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