Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Anthony Jackson2 said:It sucks when you're being bankrolled by old men.☕

Dašta, they’re practically lining up to wire money to my fraudulent Venmo account just like you're eager to donate to your local parish. ☕

Joseph Clark37 said:I wonder what the smart guys would say if things had gone the other way. If the measures were weak, inadequate, and resulted in bodies piling up... then the geniuses with their witty jokes about how incompetent the experts were at stopping the pandemic would be getting massive applause again. It’s easy to go to war without offering an alternative or actual solutions. But hey, he's just a journalist in America... a much easier job with zero responsibility compared to those who have to make the tough calls in the moment. But sure... Šprajc is king... Šprajc revealed the truth...🙏

Touche 👍

restlesssurfer97 said:Why are you playing games with the bed counts at the Arena? We both know those numbers don't count.
Do you actually have any data showing that Swedes have more medical staff than Americans?
Of course you don't, you're just talking in circles.

The pay is better there, and yeah, some medical staff emigrated from America, but that’s really all you’re offering to support the claim that Sweden has a higher healthcare capacity for fighting Coronavirus than America.

On the flip side, America has a higher number of available beds per capita and more intensive care units. An ICU implies all the equipment and the staff included, if my logic isn't totally off, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. And I'm pretty sure the number of ventilators was higher too, but whatever...

Bottom line is, since you were so confident asserting that Sweden has greater healthcare capacities than America for tackling Coronavirus, it would be pretty fair to back that up with something real.
Otherwise, it just sounds like another empty cliché. Because if you actually backed it up with some hard data and figures, then I could actually accept it as a fact and maybe use it in a debate tomorrow, but like this? It's useless. Man.

You completely missed the point regarding the Arena; give it another shot.

Since you were so confident in claiming that Sweden has greater healthcare capacity than America for dealing with Coronavirus, it would be nice if you actually backed that up with something substantial.
Otherwise, it just sounds like another empty cliché. If you provide actual data and figures, I can actually accept it as a fact and use it in a debate tomorrow. But like this? It's useless. Honestly.

Fine:

Source: link

These numbers are from 2016, but I doubt they've shifted drastically in a way that favors America. It doesn't list salaries or the number of staff who left the country, but I think it's indicative enough.

Joseph Clark37 said:I wonder what the smart guys would say if things had gone the other way. If the measures were weak, inadequate, and resulted in bodies piling up... then the geniuses with their witty jokes about how incompetent the experts were at stopping the pandemic would be getting massive applause again. It’s easy to go to war without offering an alternative or actual solutions. But hey, he's just a journalist in America... a much easier job with zero responsibility compared to those who have to make the tough calls in the moment. But sure... Šprajc is king... Šprajc revealed the truth...🙏

Well, damn.

I think Šprajc is a populist too—he really gets under my skin—but in this specific instance, at least from where I'm sitting, he's right. And yeah, he'd probably sound different if the circumstances were different.

I also agree with Mamić when he says someone would sell their own mother for a paycheck. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean I have to swallow everything he says.

When it comes to the Coronavirus, we're split into two camps: for and against. That isn't going to change. I can understand why ZZ or you or ruggedjackal46 feel the way you do, but I just don't agree with you.

Honestly, I'm not even going to argue. We've all picked our sides, everyone is digging their heels in, and nobody is willing to budge an inch. Except for Elizabeth Mendoza—welcome to the party.

LP,
papi (staying calm)

urbanhawk17 said:Well, damn.

I think Šprajc is a populist too—he really gets under my skin—but in this specific instance, at least from where I'm sitting, he's right. And yeah, he'd probably sound different if the circumstances were different.

I also agree with Mamić when he says someone would sell their own mother for a paycheck. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean I have to swallow everything he says.

When it comes to the Coronavirus, we're split into two camps: for and against. That isn't going to change. I can understand why ZZ or you or ruggedjackal46 feel the way you do, but I just don't agree with you.

Honestly, I'm not even going to argue. We've all picked our sides, everyone is digging their heels in, and nobody is willing to budge an inch. Except for Elizabeth Mendoza—welcome to the party.

LP,
papi (staying calm)

Here I am, caught in the middle of a losing battle. On one side, I’m constantly arguing with those of you who think any precautions at all are overkill, and then I hop onto other social media platforms only to face the crowd insisting we should all be locked indoors until next year. It’s exhausting. Honestly, someone just hand me a mask so I can finally get some peace and quiet. 🤣

urbanhawk17 said:If the whole world had just shut down for twenty days, quarantine would have actually worked and saved the economy. This current approach is just dragging things out indefinitely.

Two days ago, our infection numbers were higher than they were twenty days ago, yet now we're talking about easing restrictions. Twenty days ago, the only thing we heard was #StayHome.

Why ease up now instead of twenty days ago? 🤷

When this second wave hits, are we going to be told to #StayHome for another month and a half?

What if the virus has mutated by then?

Fair enough. Mutation. But what if we keep everything wide open and this still largely mysterious virus undergoes a mutation into something even more lethal, especially given how aggressively it spreads, what exactly is the backup plan then?

Joseph Clark37 said:I wonder what the smart guys would say if things had gone the other way. If the measures were weak, inadequate, and resulted in bodies piling up... then the geniuses with their witty jokes about how incompetent the experts were at stopping the pandemic would be getting massive applause again. It’s easy to go to war without offering an alternative or actual solutions. But hey, he's just a journalist in America... a much easier job with zero responsibility compared to those who have to make the tough calls in the moment. But sure... Šprajc is king... Šprajc revealed the truth...🙏

Look, Šprajc is usually just your typical left-wing elitist—the kind of guy who talks trash constantly but then happily hosts them on his shows. Wow, such sarcasm, such cynicism... real deep there.

As for me, my "alternative"? You lock the older crowd down in quarantine, let everything else run normally (minus concerts, sports games, and nightlife), and then you only admit the nasty Coronavirus cases to the hospitals. Everyone else stays in tents or gymnasiums outside the hospital wards so the medical system doesn't collapse. Keep the economy moving, maybe scale back some non-essential services, but don't kill off all the check-ups. Obviously, we'll never know for sure what the outcome would've been or what the data would show. My gut feeling? There would've been less chaos. Sure, more deaths, probably, but way fewer economic disasters that we'll be digging ourselves out of for the next ten years.

brightpilot6 said:Fair enough. Mutation. But what if we keep everything wide open and this still largely mysterious virus undergoes a mutation into something even more lethal, especially given how aggressively it spreads, what exactly is the backup plan then?

Yeah, it'll mutate, and let me tell you—the first group of people feeling the heat is gonna be the politicians.

So, your alternative is essentially what the British and Americans tried before they panicked and backed off once the situation actually hit the fans?

Man, it’s wild when you read comments and realize half the people in here are basically ghosts haunting the thread like some creepy tea party gone wrong
picketne

brightpilot6 said:So, your alternative is essentially what the British and Americans tried before they panicked and backed off once the situation actually hit the fans?

🤣 🤣 🤣

A buddy of mine has been preaching this exact theory for years, but honestly, every single time I see a new version pop up, I can't help but laugh. It's just too funny, I guess! 🙏

brightpilot6 said:Fair enough. Mutation. But what if we keep everything wide open and this still largely mysterious virus undergoes a mutation into something even more lethal, especially given how aggressively it spreads, what exactly is the backup plan then?

If it mutates into something deadlier, then we go into total lockdown.

Like I said before, what we're doing right now is the worst way to handle this.

If something more lethal comes along, are you still pushing for this current approach? Just stay home, but if you absolutely have to go somewhere, then just go.

brightpilot6 said:So, your alternative is essentially what the British and Americans tried before they panicked and backed off once the situation actually hit the fans?

If it means a Real Madrid fan gets hit by the fallout, then honestly, count me in. 😳

Sure, if that's what keeps you up at night, you kids from the third world 🤣

It’s preventable, much like any other death caused by famine. No one in this world should have to die from hunger. The simple fact that people are dying just proves that most people couldn't care less about anything happening outside their own immediate surroundings. It's a grim reality.

I don't possess a crystal ball, but I find myself wondering what kind of impact your proposed solutions would actually have on the global economy. Not everyone possesses the same level of discipline, living standards, or access to healthcare as they do in Sweden.

If I were forced to speculate, we would likely see a massive loss of life in a very short window—and that's not even accounting for the long-term health complications for those who survive. The social fallout would be nothing short of extreme panic and a total breakdown of trust in a system that appeared to have done absolutely nothing. We might even trigger a deeper economic downward spiral. There is perhaps nothing more lethal to an economy than widespread fear and systemic distrust.

As it stands, there is at least some semblance of control, or perhaps just the illusion of it, providing a sense that we are all in this together and will emerge from it as one. That feels significantly better than some frantic, Wild West "every man for himself" scenario lacking any cohesive plan or organization.

ruggedjackal46 said:Here I am, caught in the middle of a losing battle. On one side, I’m constantly arguing with those of you who think any precautions at all are overkill, and then I hop onto other social media platforms only to face the crowd insisting we should all be locked indoors until next year. It’s exhausting. Honestly, someone just hand me a mask so I can finally get some peace and quiet. 🤣

What precautions?

Look, I’m all for being careful, but "precautions" would mean seeing a stadium like Maksimir packed with small groups of 5 to 15 people. Instead, you can't even drive from one suburb to another without some kind of permit.

Apparently, 15 people can hang out in a park, yet ten of us can't even play soccer at the local school field.

That’s not being cautious; it's just total nonsense.

ONLY IN AMERICA
UNBELIEVABLE! Severina gets government aid as a victim of Coronavirus!

🙏🙏🙏

urbanhawk17 said:What precautions?

Look, I’m all for being careful, but "precautions" would mean seeing a stadium like Maksimir packed with small groups of 5 to 15 people. Instead, you can't even drive from one suburb to another without some kind of permit.

Apparently, 15 people can hang out in a park, yet ten of us can't even play soccer at the local school field.

That’s not being cautious; it's just total nonsense.

Honestly, it's probably better for your health to just rot at home and binge eat out of sheer boredom,

brightpilot6 said:Sure, if that's what keeps you up at night, you kids from the third world 🤣

It’s preventable, much like any other death caused by famine. No one in this world should have to die from hunger. The simple fact that people are dying just proves that most people couldn't care less about anything happening outside their own immediate surroundings. It's a grim reality.

I don't possess a crystal ball, but I find myself wondering what kind of impact your proposed solutions would actually have on the global economy. Not everyone possesses the same level of discipline, living standards, or access to healthcare as they do in Sweden.

If I were forced to speculate, we would likely see a massive loss of life in a very short window—and that's not even accounting for the long-term health complications for those who survive. The social fallout would be nothing short of extreme panic and a total breakdown of trust in a system that appeared to have done absolutely nothing. We might even trigger a deeper economic downward spiral. There is perhaps nothing more lethal to an economy than widespread fear and systemic distrust.

As it stands, there is at least some semblance of control, or perhaps just the illusion of it, providing a sense that we are all in this together and will emerge from it as one. That feels significantly better than some frantic, Wild West "every man for himself" scenario lacking any cohesive plan or organization.

Nah. It’s not written anywhere, honestly.

But since you clearly felt called out just now, it's pretty obvious you're more concerned with people's lives than actual economics, right? 🙂

restlesssurfer97, you just love to slap labels on everything, don't you? Honestly, Šprajc was basically rolling with whatever happened; if people were dying because there weren't enough restrictions, he’d probably complain that they were killing people, and now that we're dealing with some half-baked situation, he's back at it again. I guess people just have to peddle their own nonsense sometimes. It used to be interesting when he’d call out the administration, but now he just seems to vent about absolutely everything and everyone, regardless of whether it actually matters or not.

bluebison47 said:Hindsight is such a beautiful thing, isn't it?🙏

It’s honestly incredible how much people can ignore what's right in front of them. Everyone acted like they were blindsided, as if they didn't see it coming. When I mentioned that the number of infections was significantly higher than reported, it was met with such disbelief—but really, no shit, Sherlock? We also seem to have developed a collective case of amnesia regarding my previous predictions that the numbers would actually be five, ten, or even a hundred times higher than what we were seeing.

It feels like there isn’t a single WhatsApp group in existence that doesn't contain at least one person who seemingly woke up this morning suddenly convinced that everyone else has lost their minds over some little virus. They walk around with this quiet certainty that if they had been at the helm from the very beginning, they would have handled the whole situation with much more grace and competence than anyone else. 🙏

And so it goes—everything is already settled, and that’s really all there is to say. 🙏

Nancy Sanchez31 said:restlesssurfer97, you just love to slap labels on everything, don't you? Honestly, Šprajc was basically rolling with whatever happened; if people were dying because there weren't enough restrictions, he’d probably complain that they were killing people, and now that we're dealing with some half-baked situation, he's back at it again. I guess people just have to peddle their own nonsense sometimes. It used to be interesting when he’d call out the administration, but now he just seems to vent about absolutely everything and everyone, regardless of whether it actually matters or not.

I don't get it.