Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

restlesssurfer97 said:And then what about the places where they actually have plenty of people? What are we supposed to do with them then?

Man, she really covered every single angle there, Carlos.

restlesssurfer97 said:There’s nothing deep about it, honestly, it’s just basic math at the end of the day.

If all those hours people aren't working on Sundays don't get paid, you really just have to crunch the numbers.

Just to make it super easy to wrap your head around, let's say you have a local grocery store with six employees. If you pass a law banning Sunday shifts, you've basically wiped out six shifts from the schedule, which means one whole worker becomes redundant because their weekly hours just vanished.

It's a simplified way to look at it, but it gets the point across perfectly.

Did you seriously think you could just pass a law to screw over small business owners and expect them to maintain the exact same payroll costs while their revenue takes a hit?

What do you mean, "reduced revenue"? 🤷 If I don't buy something today, I'll just pick it up another day...
I fail to see the logic in claiming revenues will drop just because business isn't conducted on one specific day. 😵

https://www.logicno.com/hrana-zdravl...#37;2bexchange

The researchers behind this study crunched the numbers on nearly 5,700 people hospitalized between March 1st and April 4th. They focused specifically on the 2,634 cases where folks either passed away or were discharged. Out of those, 320 patients were hooked up to ventilators—and get this—88.1% of them didn't make it. For the seniors over 65 on life support, the mortality rate hit a staggering 97.2%, according to the study. Meanwhile, for patients in that same age bracket who weren't on a ventilator, the death rate was "only" 26.6%.

So, how many people actually died on ventilators in the US? But hey, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer—total radio silence on that one.

Laura Chavez93 said:What do you mean, "reduced revenue"? 🤷 If I don't buy something today, I'll just pick it up another day...
I fail to see the logic in claiming revenues will drop just because business isn't conducted on one specific day. 😵

Oh yeah, and don't forget—Sundays are usually the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to revenue. Total washout compared to the rest of the week.

wiredrider9 said:https://www.logicno.com/hrana-zdravl...#37;2bexchange

The researchers behind this study crunched the numbers on nearly 5,700 people hospitalized between March 1st and April 4th. They focused specifically on the 2,634 cases where folks either passed away or were discharged. Out of those, 320 patients were hooked up to ventilators—and get this—88.1% of them didn't make it. For the seniors over 65 on life support, the mortality rate hit a staggering 97.2%, according to the study. Meanwhile, for patients in that same age bracket who weren't on a ventilator, the death rate was "only" 26.6%.

So, how many people actually died on ventilators in the US? But hey, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer—total radio silence on that one.

That data point is completely meaningless without knowing exactly why those patients were put on ventilators in the first place.

Matthew Young35 said:That data point is completely meaningless without knowing exactly why those patients were put on ventilators in the first place.

they had hemorrhoids

wiredrider9 said:Man, she really covered every single angle there, Carlos.

See, what you're putting out there is just opinion and hearsay, but what I’m laying down here is straight-up math.

The fallout from banning Sunday work is going to be a measurable loss of jobs in whatever sectors get hit by that ban.

There isn't really much deep philosophy to unpack here.

In markets where labor is already tight, you won't feel much of a bump, but in places where there's a surplus of workers, this is just going to flood the market with more supply, which means employers are going to have even more leverage to dictate wages. And that translates to one thing: lower paychecks.

People love to complain about the government overstepping where it doesn't belong, constantly whining that things aren't working right, yet they're the first ones asking for more government intervention in everything.

wiredrider9 said:Oh yeah, and don't forget—Sundays are usually the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to revenue. Total washout compared to the rest of the week.

So, if that's the case, why on earth would they work on a Sunday?
Working on a Sunday isn't mandatory.
Why bother doing it if there’s no profit in it?

Laura Chavez93 said:What do you mean, "reduced revenue"? 🤷 If I don't buy something today, I'll just pick it up another day...
I fail to see the logic in claiming revenues will drop just because business isn't conducted on one specific day. 😵

😂

Yeah, sure, you're totally right, go ahead and just completely disregard all the effort I put in, and yeah, call me an idiot too. 🤣

Matthew Young35 said:So, if that's the case, why on earth would they work on a Sunday?
Working on a Sunday isn't mandatory.
Why bother doing it if there’s no profit in it?

It pays off because labor is dirt cheap and they barely pay any overtime for Sundays.

Matthew Young35 said:So, if that's the case, why on earth would they work on a Sunday?
Working on a Sunday isn't mandatory.
Why bother doing it if there’s no profit in it?

Just pure spite, honestly.

restlesssurfer97 said:Just pure spite, honestly.

Well, it’s certainly worth making them regret it.

Cowardly politicians are just using this global crisis as a smokescreen to push their own agendas through.

They’d be the first ones out there protesting if Sunday work bans were actually enforced; they'd probably find a way to squeeze in all that extra labor on a Saturday instead.

wiredrider9 said:It pays off because labor is dirt cheap and they barely pay any overtime for Sundays.

I mean, okay, let's say we actually ban Sunday work, what happens then, does every greedy boss out there suddenly decide to start handing out pink slips, or are they all just going to undergo this massive moral transformation and become better people overnight? 😕

restlesssurfer97 said:I mean, okay, let's say we actually ban Sunday work, what happens then, does every greedy boss out there suddenly decide to start handing out pink slips, or are they all just going to undergo this massive moral transformation and become better people overnight? 😕

Honestly, someone needs to step up and make four o'clock the new standard end time for work—just let us clock out after lunch so we can hit the park for a bit and then catch an evening mass. 🙂

Matthew Young35 said:Well, it’s certainly worth making them regret it.

Cowardly politicians are just using this global crisis as a smokescreen to push their own agendas through.

They’d be the first ones out there protesting if Sunday work bans were actually enforced; they'd probably find a way to squeeze in all that extra labor on a Saturday instead.

But wait a second, even the socialists are pushing this exact same thing, like the socialists and the clergy have basically teamed up and slid right into this whole debate. 😂

wiredrider9 said:Honestly, someone needs to step up and make four o'clock the new standard end time for work—just let us clock out after lunch so we can hit the park for a bit and then catch an evening mass. 🙂

man, if things get messy, that law isn't gonna save you, we might need to bring a little bit of chaos into the mix instead

Matthew Young35 said:So, if that's the case, why on earth would they work on a Sunday?
Working on a Sunday isn't mandatory.
Why bother doing it if there’s no profit in it?

I find this whole obsession with mentioning "the Sabbath" a bit much... I don't know, maybe it's just me. It feels unnecessary to act like everyone avoids working on Sundays because of religious sanctity or needing to hit a church service. There are plenty of people who just want a Sunday off simply because it's *the* day off. You know, it’s just not the same thing. Having a Tuesday off versus having a Sunday off? They aren't even in the same universe.

And don't even get me started on those comparisons to essential services like EMTs or police officers...🙏

restlesssurfer97 said:But wait a second, even the socialists are pushing this exact same thing, like the socialists and the clergy have basically teamed up and slid right into this whole debate. 😂

Where on earth are you seeing these socialists?

A true socialist would advocate for more—specifically, more fairly compensated—work, not for banning work altogether.
I certainly don't see anyone like that here in America.

Matthew Young35 said:Where on earth are you seeing these socialists?

A true socialist would advocate for more—specifically, more fairly compensated—work, not for banning work altogether.
I certainly don't see anyone like that here in America.

Labor rights are basically the bedrock of any actual socialist movement, so how does that even make sense right now?
The whole idea of workers having a guaranteed day off every week is pretty much set in stone.

bluebison47 said:I find this whole obsession with mentioning "the Sabbath" a bit much... I don't know, maybe it's just me. It feels unnecessary to act like everyone avoids working on Sundays because of religious sanctity or needing to hit a church service. There are plenty of people who just want a Sunday off simply because it's *the* day off. You know, it’s just not the same thing. Having a Tuesday off versus having a Sunday off? They aren't even in the same universe.

And don't even get me started on those comparisons to essential services like EMTs or police officers...🙏

Personally, I couldn't care less if it's Sunday or a Wednesday.
So why bring up the "holy" aspect?
Because the clergy started this initiative, and they happen to be the loudest voices in the room.
The union hacks just latched onto the movement; I wouldn't bet against the idea that the Vatican provided them with funding or some other form of incentive to fall in line.