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Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Noah Perez2 Noah Perez2 Active Member
98 messages
joined Aug 2018
#17601 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Back in Genghis's day, they didn't actually have a single city; they were essentially one giant mobile unit on the move. Soldiers, horses, women, kids, the elderly—everyone lived in caravans. The idea of staying in one place was totally foreign and honestly seemed repulsive to them. They couldn't wrap their heads around why people in China lived in buildings with walls and roofs, because they were always worried the ceiling might cave in on them. Their first city, Karakorum, was built by Ögedei Khan, who put up this massive silver tree in the center that they had scavenged parts for all across Eurasia. It was kind of like a medieval version of Brasília, since they planned the city on an empty field and hired architects and craftsmen from all over Asia. That silver tree was actually designed by a goldsmith from Paris! They were even pretty tolerant toward different religions back then, allowing Christians and Muslims to practice as long as they stayed obedient and paid their taxes (though, I guess, they didn't really have much of a choice...).

Under Ögedei and his successors, Karakorum became a major site for world politics. Möngke Khan had the palace enlarged, and the great stupa temple completed. They had the Parisian goldsmith, Guillaume Bouchier, design the Silver Tree of Karakorum for the city center. A large tree sculpted of silver and other precious metals rose up from the middle of the courtyard and loomed over the palace, with the branches of the tree extended into the building. Silver fruit hung from the limbs and it had four golden serpents braided around the trunk, while within the top of the tree was placed a trumpet angel, all as automata performing for the emperor's pleasure. When the khan wanted to summon the drinks for his guests, the mechanical angel raised the trumpet to his lips and sounded the horn, whereupon the mouths of the serpents began to gush out a fountain of alcoholic beverages into the large silver basin arranged at the base of the tree.

That part of the world was way ahead of America or Europe before the plague hit. They had bigger cities, larger wars, and more advanced military and civilian tech. Like I mentioned before, the Song Dynasty was comparable to modern states in many ways. Even after the plague, Chinese sailors were building wooden ships 430 feet long that could reach the coast of Africa. Central Asia was also one of the wealthiest regions in the world, filled with huge cities along the Silk Road. The Mongols just turned them all into dust, and those regions haven't really recovered to this day. What used to be the world's main transit route is now just a flight path that takes a few hours in a jet...

They were genetic nomads. Honestly, building a civilization would be about as entertaining to them as watching highlights of the Dallas Cowboys losing a playoff game to the Eagles.😍

Temujin’s empire endured quite a while given the circumstances, though it hung by a thread early on during the internal conflict with Jamuk, which eventually resolved itself in a way that benefited everyone involved.

But they truly were barbarians. It was common practice for leaders to cook defeated enemies in a giant pot, like a stew,🙏 as some accounts suggest, or even use catapults during sieges.

On the other hand, cinematic portrayals depict Temujin as this saintly figure, a romantic soul deeply in love with his Börte. In reality, his first two sons weren't even his—one belonged to a Merkit and the other to a traveling merchant—yet he claimed them as his own. Quite the display of affection, isn't it?

Who can we actually believe? Something feels off about the idea that such a "saint" could simultaneously be such a brilliant military strategist.🤔
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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joined May 2004
#17602 ·
hey neonfalcon16, you're totally on the right track there
just sending over the cash for those drinks this Friday
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#17603 ·
Honestly, if we could just somehow hook up Offside to a major power plant, maybe we'd actually have enough electricity to last us ten years 🙏 🙏
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined May 2004
#17604 ·
nofler was singing the praises of Anderson Miller 🙏🙏🙏
steelharbor9 steelharbor9 Active Member
198 messages
joined Jul 2012
#17605 ·
restlesssurfer97 said:hey neonfalcon16, you're totally on the right track there
just sending over the cash for those drinks this Friday

Davor Bernardić, 2020.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#17606 ·
I'm with Tina on this one; I honestly thought IKEA was just some big thing like General Eisenhower. 🤣
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#17607 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I'm with Tina on this one; I honestly thought IKEA was just some big thing like General Eisenhower. 🤣

Wait, weren't they supposed to be Tina and Nick?🐔
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#17608 ·
bluebison47 said:Honestly, if we could just somehow hook up Offside to a major power plant, maybe we'd actually have enough electricity to last us ten years 🙏 🙏

Anderlon, just another opportunist making hay during a crisis.
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
575 messages
joined Mar 2020
#17609 ·
It's game over, Bill.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined May 2004
#17610 ·
Man, VB16 really thought FC Barcelona was just some disorganized mess instead of an actual powerhouse 😂
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#17611 ·
Honestly, I thought we were looking at a smooth ride, not some absolute disaster waiting to happen out in a blizzard.
William Gomez5 William Gomez5 Active Member
233 messages
joined May 2018
#17612 ·
someone needs to get a grip on this country, you losers
Kyle Campbell4 Kyle Campbell4 Regular
265 messages
joined Aug 2021
#17613 ·
In certain respects, they were surprisingly liberal, which is truly baffling when you consider their typical nature. For instance, they maintained that faith was strictly a matter of individual choice, believing anyone should be free to worship whichever deity they preferred. Their only true animosity was reserved for Muslims and Jews; otherwise, they permitted total religious freedom. They were even open to adopting children from other backgrounds, likely because building a massive lineage was considered a vital component of one's social standing. Consequently, they kept many wives, each focused solely on producing heirs. It is quite bizarre to see how these modern-day Mongols have become so docile and peace-loving.
Michael Flores8 Michael Flores8 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2020
#17614 ·
Matthew Young35 said:And what am I supposed to do when she rides off on a horse?
I just watch her go.
🤦

I had this friend back in Chicago, from the Lincoln Park area, who used to insist on asking me, "Which records should I spin?" ever since we were kids.🙏🤣
Michael Flores8 Michael Flores8 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2020
#17615 ·
I was just climbing up on the toilet earlier when I happened to pull an old suitcase down from the top shelf. Inside, I found about 30 vintage issues of *Time* and *Sports Illustrated*, all dating back to 1989 and 1990. I suppose it's quite a little treasure trove to dive into 🙏🙏
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#17616 ·
The moment we've all been waiting for, everyone:

Noah Perez2 Noah Perez2 Active Member
98 messages
joined Aug 2018
#17617 ·
Kyle Campbell4 said:In certain respects, they were surprisingly liberal, which is truly baffling when you consider their typical nature. For instance, they maintained that faith was strictly a matter of individual choice, believing anyone should be free to worship whichever deity they preferred. Their only true animosity was reserved for Muslims and Jews; otherwise, they permitted total religious freedom. They were even open to adopting children from other backgrounds, likely because building a massive lineage was considered a vital component of one's social standing. Consequently, they kept many wives, each focused solely on producing heirs. It is quite bizarre to see how these modern-day Mongols have become so docile and peace-loving.

That is all very poetic, but I suspect cinema embellishes these details to lend a romanticized veneer to history that simply doesn't exist in reality.

In truth, most great military commanders and leaders were utterly ruthless. The first person who comes to mind is Stalin; during WWII, the Swedes captured his son, and he did absolutely nothing to rescue him—he actually mocked him for allowing himself to be taken prisoner. His son ultimately perished in a Nazi camp.

I believe we see this lack of romanticization in the case of Alexander the Great as well; the idea that a conqueror who claims half the world would simply let someone walk in and disrespect him is nonsense. No way an old man like that would permit such a thing.😁
Anthony Wright30 Anthony Wright30 Active Member
189 messages
joined Oct 2017
#17618 ·
She went to school in the States, so she isn't quite like her father, who grew up in the South.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#17619 ·
Noah Perez2 said:That is all very poetic, but I suspect cinema embellishes these details to lend a romanticized veneer to history that simply doesn't exist in reality.

In truth, most great military commanders and leaders were utterly ruthless. The first person who comes to mind is Stalin; during WWII, the Swedes captured his son, and he did absolutely nothing to rescue him—he actually mocked him for allowing himself to be taken prisoner. His son ultimately perished in a Nazi camp.

I believe we see this lack of romanticization in the case of Alexander the Great as well; the idea that a conqueror who claims half the world would simply let someone walk in and disrespect him is nonsense. No way an old man like that would permit such a thing.😁

Look, things worked differently back then. Homosexuality wasn't tied to being "feminine" the way people think it is now. If you want proof, just look at the "Iliad" and the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus.
dustycyclist42 dustycyclist42 Member
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joined Mar 2020
#17620 ·
So, a buddy of mine was talking to me the other day and asked, ''You know that song, Why Do They Lie To Our Faces?''
But what he actually meant was, Why Do They Lie To Our Faces🤣

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