Complaint against moderator Adam regarding issues in the girl named Feriha thread

goldenfalcon7 said:That is exactly what people here are complaining about—the constant whining plus the deletion of posts that don't even insult anyone and just discuss things actually shown in the series. ☕

You told me directly on the thread that you would issue a public apology if the person who requested that controversial gif and image spoke up. Well, moderator Adam stepped in (so thanks to him), but I haven't seen your apology yet. So much for decent forum etiquette. It's awful.

Anyway, let's stop escalating the debate because there's really no point—let the admins handle this whole soap opera mess, and we'll just wait things out in peace. ☕

Dana Nelson said:This is clean. just trolling.

Emir didn't tell her to stop twisting the truth. She goes up to him like, "What if things had gone the other way?" And he just snaps, "Don't you dare, Feriha..." But she keeps pushing, and that was it—he finally hit his limit and lost it on her.

Basically, I don't recall Emir ever telling Feriha that she was twisting the facts.

Here’s the original conversation in English. I honestly don't get this whole thing—making up fake plots and dialogue like it actually happened. 😕😕😕🤷🤷🤷

Emir : Feriha : Don't you even think about continuing this.
Feriha: Why? Just because you’re a guy and I’m a woman?
Emir : Feriha : Get out of my way!
Feriha: What if we just swapped everyone's roles? Just to watch you suffer...
Emir : Feriha : Don't you even think about it!
Feriha: If I could just spend one single night with Mr. Levent...
Emir: Enough!!!!!

I think it’s pretty obvious from these posts who’s lying and just making stuff up. It’s glaringly clear.

Michael Ramos4 The user said:Isn't it blindingly obvious from these posts that they were aimed right at me? I mean, come on. You even say in another thread that you don't pay attention to anything I write or that I just make stuff up. Give me a break.So why am I even bothering you? Why do you feel the need to drag me into this, write about me, and start throwing shade?🤷 BTW..it’s totally against the forum rules to go after a fellow member like they’re some stranger you actually know.. No member should ever be the subject of discussion on this forum. Period.

What are you even trying to build here with all this tattling, complaining, and trying to "prove" I'm making things up just because you don't like my takes? And we're talking about fictional characters and plots, for crying out loud..just random stuff.

If I don't like Feriha and think she's a manipulative, calculating liar from the very first episode..don't I have the right to think that? What are you trying to prove—that I'm lying or that I'm wrong?
Look, sorry, but I think exactly what I think, just like you think the exact opposite.
It’s honestly tasteless to accuse someone of lying or inventing things just because they have an opinion on a show. Opinions differ, and this one is mine... along with everything else.

And this post alone shows there's zero need for a public apology..because I'm right when I say you're obsessed with me and my writing, and that this was directed at exactly who... m e . at River. So much for "civilized" communication.

Michael Ramos4 said:

I think it’s pretty obvious from these posts who’s lying and just making stuff up. It’s glaringly clear.

And this post alone shows there's zero need for a public apology..because I'm right when I say you're obsessed with me and my writing, and that this was directed at exactly who... m e . at River. So much for "civilized" communication.

How much longer is this going to go on?! 🙂 🙂

Larry Lee97 said:I have to agree with that, but primarily, the people who can't stand Feriha were the ones who backed off.

And now I'm saying it publicly: Dana Nelson this is the forum hr discussing the series Feriha airing on CNN. There are different translations online; you can't lie and claim someone is trolling just because they posted a line exactly as it was aired on CNN. I just watched the rerun and saw the moment when Emir said verbatim, "Feriha doesn't execute facts." I hope someone makes a GIF today so we can finally put this to rest.

goldenfalcon7 said:If we’re really going to split hairs here, he didn't (literally) say: Feriha, don't you dare execute that. Just facts. He already said it: Feriha, don't you dare carry that out. The situation. I guess I could post a picture or a GIF to this thread if it’s really that much of a big deal. 😁

Bea? I don't even know if she's even there. 🤷Jay. 🙏

Yeah, I guess they didn't actually answer me. 🙂I'm still trying to figure out what exactly was so controversial about my post, where I just shared exactly what I saw: Emir looks like a total mess. His shirt is half-tucked into his pants and sticking out from under that half-raised sweater. I guess he just couldn't be bothered. That’s basically how I wrote it. Maybe the word order was a bit off, but I was just commenting on what I actually saw. Can someone tell me what exactly was controversial here? I'd rather know so I don't end up posting more nonsense about the main characters in other threads. 😁.

I don't care about Michael Ramos4; I only care about this and how it affects me and my post.

By the way, it was also written that it was Feriha. She looks totally neglected—hair like tangled noodles and bloodshot eyes... And that wasn't even deleted. I guess. 😕🤷

Michael Ramos4 said:Oh, come on... that wasn't even directed at me. And yet, just because of what Emir said, they're accusing me of trolling and making stuff up. They're even throwing around "facts" now. I guess I'm sorry if I misunderstood, but it would be fair if you actually specified who you were talking about.I guess that someone should just speak up... so I can publicly tell them off.😉

Larry Lee97 said:Thanks for putting in the effort on that GIF. I'm glad you posted it; you're right, I was actually looking for it because of this post

Can someone please just come and lock this thread? 🙂 This level of twisting the truth is basically an insult to our intelligence at this point, and it’s clearly drifted over from the main thread (where it doesn't belong anyway).

Michael Ramos4, I don't get you. You saw the photo yourself—the one you actually posted 🤔—that proves goldenfalcon7 was right all along. Yet here you are, refusing to apologize. Look, you don't have to, it's your call, but this really isn't the place for this kind of stuff.

Just like how you guys dragged the last complaint about the lockout until it turned into its own whole thread, you're doing the exact same thing again. Let's not go there. Thanks.

goldenfalcon7 said:Michael Ramos4, sorry, but my photos and... Those GIFs weren't even about you. I didn't quote you in my post, nor did I end up quoting anyone at all. I know exactly why I wrote it the way I did, and there's a reason I used that controversial picture and that GIF, but trust me—it had absolutely nothing to do with you. 😉

goldenfalcon7 said:I only quoted this specific part because we've already seen the rest of what was posted and people have complained about it plenty of times. Whatever, I honestly don't even bother paying attention to her (Michael Ramos) or the nonsense she makes up anymore.

But something else is bothering me. The moderator deleted a post where I was quoting another user who was commenting on what happened in tonight's episode (specifically the main character's outfit). I was just adding to the conversation about what we saw. A third user even asked for pictures of what was shown, but once she realized the posts were being wiped, she had to 🙂 go back and edit her own post because she couldn't figure out what she was allowed to say or who she could quote anymore.😕

If the moderator is going to go around deleting things, why isn't she being careful about what she removes so she doesn't confuse everyone else? People might actually start thinking they didn't see what they saw (or that the moderator doesn't want them to see it 😁).

Looking at her "blue" warnings, I've pulled out a few things that I'm apparently not allowed to do—things I thought were fine, but apparently aren't 😢:

1. - I'm not allowed to comment on what other users write (even though I've always exclusively commented on their thoughts about the show before). 😕

2. and here she says to comment on what we saw, yet when we do, she deletes our posts. 😕

Could someone besides her finally tell us exactly what we can and cannot write? Her warnings have left us totally confused (at least I am 😕 🙂).

In the end, I just explained it to myself like this: write only what you saw, and when you do, expect to be deleted. It seems like it's better to write about things you *didn't* see, because practice shows you won't get deleted then. 😳 I might have overcomplicated that last sentence, but then again, that's exactly what the moderator does with her warnings 😳.

goldenfalcon7 said:If we’re really going to split hairs here, he didn't (literally) say: Feriha, don't you dare execute that. Just facts. He already said it: Feriha, don't you dare carry that out. The situation. I guess I could post a picture or a GIF to this thread if it’s really that much of a big deal. 😁

Bea? I don't even know if she's even there. 🤷Jay. 🙏

Yeah, I guess they didn't actually answer me. 🙂I'm still trying to figure out what exactly was so controversial about my post, where I just shared exactly what I saw: Emir looks like a total mess. His shirt is half-tucked into his pants and sticking out from under that half-raised sweater. I guess he just couldn't be bothered. That’s basically how I wrote it. Maybe the word order was a bit off, but I was just commenting on what I actually saw. Can someone tell me what exactly was controversial here? I'd rather know so I don't end up posting more nonsense about the main characters in other threads. 😁.

I don't care about Michael Ramos4; I only care about this and how it affects me and my post.

By the way, it was also written that it was Feriha. She looks totally neglected—hair like tangled noodles and bloodshot eyes... And that wasn't even deleted. I guess. 😕🤷

Nathan Turner3It’s not about being in a rush... I’ll make things right with everyone eventually.

Looking at these posts, it’s pretty obvious everything is aimed right at me... even though goldenfalcon7 is out here claiming her post had nothing to do with me. If it's not about me, then who exactly is she talking about?
Look, I already said I’d apologize... provided she wasn't actually aiming those shots at me and her whole post and those GIFs weren't meant to be about me.

That's just not true. If you look at goldenfalcon7's other post, it's obvious she spends way more time dealing with me than just focusing on Holly. Honestly, most of the people posting on this thread are pretty much obsessed with me anyway.

It all kicked off because of my post in that thread where they flagged my comment as trolling and making stuff up—even though I proved I was just repeating exactly what happened in the show (that controversial GIF). It’s the exact same vibe as this topic right here, where most of the discussion has basically turned into everyone just picking on me as a user.

Who am I even supposed to talk to about this? This is the second time I’ve been dragged through the mud and targeted over the PZK. And honestly? Not a single person has reached out to apologize—not one forum member, not even a moderator. Nothing.

Do you honestly think I have any grounds to apologize to anyone?

I’m honestly wondering where people get the right to debate me like this... my opinion on the show, my perspective, my own personal take... all on this specific thread. Is this even allowed? Is it actually normal practice here on this forum?

And all this drama just because someone doesn't like my take on a character or how this show is going. Look, I’m not out here on an island by myself—my opinion is shared. If you have a massive problem with someone else's perspective on a topic, honestly, why do you even care? We're all allowed the same thing here: to watch a show and call it like we see it, based on our own vibes and point of view. What am I supposed to be, some kind of liar? I’m just saying Feriha is a manipulator and she’s aggressive. I don't get the attitude. That's just how I see her. Someone else can look at the exact same person and see a sweetheart, a total angel, or a girl with a heart of gold who loves without limits. To each their own.
What kind of scenario am I supposed to be making up about a plot point that didn't even happen in the show? What did I invent? Whatever happens in a series, regardless of the situation, I’m just sharing my thoughts and how it hit me personally... that's it.

And don't even get me started on all the nasty garbage and total nonsense Dana Nelson wrote about me... claiming I'm promoting hate speech or supporting violence against women. That is straight-up sick. To go after a random person on a forum you don't even know... and then her little fan club jumps in to back her up. Honestly, I doubt you even see this kind of stuff in the moderation queues for other soap operas. It's unbelievable that you let one user talk about another like that, especially on a thread that probably has tons of people reading it. On a thread about a soap opera, no less. It's awful. In my opinion, this whole thing is an embarrassment to Forum hr. It drags down the reputation of the entire site and its whole purpose, not to mention the users and you moderators too.

I don't see what there is to understand here.

My dear "virtual girlfriends," all you lovely people who agree with me—and even those who don't!!! Is this really what democracy looks like?!

Honestly, what if we all just took a breather? If we didn't spend our energy trying to correct every little thing, we could go on for hundreds, maybe even thousands of pages arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong... and where would that even get us?🤷…

I truly don't see why anyone has an issue with us not liking the same characters. 😕
I've checked the forum rules, and I don't see anything stating that "we all have to love everything" or that there needs to be one single, unified opinion dominating this space..
When there's a lack of "forum coexistence," tolerance, or just accepting the people around you, everyone starts pointing fingers and accusing one another of being wrong... oh, please! Give me a break!

Personally, you should never try to tell me I'm wrong just because I don't think like you!!!
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: if I don't like a certain character in a series or a movie, you can all write your heart out on this forum about how wonderful they are, but it won't work on me... for me, a character either "clicks" or they don't. It's that simple!!!...
Take Feriha, for example—she just gets under my skin. 😂 I can't stand that muddled, dull way she carries herself as a woman..🙂..
She isn't "my type" at all... that kind of personality just grates on me...
She certainly isn't my idea of a "heroine" who inspires admiration; instead, every time she appears on screen, she just irritates or disappoints me (or both!)...
Sometimes Feriha feels like a total nightmare to me. There's no emotional depth there, nor does she know how to provide it; when she tries, it just feels hollow and lifeless...

I actually try, from a human perspective, to understand her, but looking at it from another angle, she’s just a plain, colorless, boring bore... and what am I supposed to do now😕?!
Am I supposed to get into some marathon argument—writing, rewriting, trying to convince or prove myself—just because Feriha annoys me?! ...As if someone needs to prove to me that she *doesn't* annoy me, or that I'm not right! How strange is that!!

Now, I love Emir, and I love Levent. Honestly, I don't know which one I love more—I adore them both!!
I love Lara, and I love Lara's mother... they are wonderful, and both of them are just lovely to me... I absolutely adore them!!! I really wish Emir were with Lara!
I respect Nevbahar, and I understand Reese, though I don't excuse his actions in certain situations..
I partially understand Feriha too, simply because she was so terribly (un)raised—so vague and indecisive..
I actually think she had the potential to have had a healthy mother who would have raised her in a sane, normal way..
So, what, are all these people who disagree supposed to be "swept away" from the forum just because they don't worship the character and work of "Emir" or because they criticize Feriha?! 😕 ...

To me, Feriha is aggressive and wild... she showed that in several different situations....
The way she slapped Emir, and did it multiple times—I held that against her so deeply...
But I also held Emir against him for that one time he slapped Feriha..
I don't agree with Feriha slapping Emir, but I don't agree with Emir being slapped by Feriha either..
I don't like or excuse violence, regardless of who is doing it or to whom...
I don't justify a single instance of violence, no matter who it is, male or female!!!!
I didn't see any major debate happening here when Feriha was slapping Emir several times! Was that just considered normal and acceptable, apparently?!
She even tried to slap him a couple more times, but Emir stopped her!
Feriha essentially emotionally and manfully castrated Emir, yet he treats her like a princess, giving up everything for her...
What a shame! ... She doesn't deserve it!
The socio-cultural differences are just so glaring and incompatible! Feriha is completely exposed in all her character flaws, wrapped in the cloak of emotional manipulation!

The whole reason I’m listing all this out is just to show you that everyone participating in this thread doesn't necessarily have to experience the same story or feel the same way about the characters...
I mean, why does such a heated debate break out the second we aren't all in the "same camp"?..
What do I care if someone else loves Feriha?! It doesn't bother me one bit!!
And honestly, the idea that there's "us" who write a lot and "them" who write less is pretty ridiculous, if you ask me...
I'd love to see a definition of "us" versus "them" just so I could actually understand what you all mean...

But now, since people can't stand anyone with a different opinion and suddenly want to kick them all out, they've started attacking the moderator Adam...
They're going to attack and blame Adam and then go looking for a savior in some third moderator...
As if in a few days we won't be attacking that third or fourth person too...
Both Adam and Štikalica (whom I can't say I miss, honestly) have "called me out" personally a few times, but so what? It doesn't matter—I never complained or criticized them... They're totally fine! And I certainly deserved it 🙂!
Personally, I really admire Adam's patience; it takes a lot to find that balance and stay fair...
And when Adam "called me out," he was being fair...
I actually love it when moderators watch the show and participate, because then they actually know what's going on here, and I'm happy to let them be critical...
That's what Bea and Adam do, and that's what Štrik used to do... What bothers me are the mods who "storm" into a thread like Hurricane Katrina just because someone hit the "report" button, handing out warnings and bans without even following the "whole story on the forum"...

Dear Adam, you have my full support. Believe me, if I were earning a doctor's salary in Switzerland, I don't know if I'd be putting up with all this...

Adam, you can't fix every single difficult person, and you certainly can't please everyone!!
Don't worry about it; what matters is that your intentions are good, and you've clearly shown that they are!
I'm on your side!!!
Wishing you lots of luck with running the forum!
Every moderator I've reached out to has always responded to me in a polite and respectful way...

That's just my take. If you agree, great! If you don't, you don't need to explain yourself to me!!!
To me, the important thing is that people don't get insulted and behave nicely, rather than acting like offended children—sometimes I just don't feel like reading that kind of "material"...
The thread is turning into a back-and-forth of finger-pointing and accusations! I think it would be smartest for all of us if we just left everything that happened in the past, closed the door on it, and focused on writing and commenting while learning to accept our differences! Let's just be mindful of one another and stop being party poopers... let's be civil and professional...
I think people overthink what they're going to write. Me? I just relax, let my heart guide my fingers to type what I'm feeling, and click "quick reply"...
I don't "stress" too much over my own little typos or mistakes, and goodness knows I won't fuss over yours either...

Greetings, everyone! 👋
I honestly can't believe how far things have spiraled... 😲 ...it's truly tragic.
Just so you know, this AFK thread reminds me so much of the AvC thread. 😢

Generally speaking, I don't get involved with the moderators, nor do I dwell on what other users write. If someone holds a particular opinion—well, that’s their business; I read it and move on. Why should I care about someone else's preferences? Honestly, it doesn't interest me. Some things simply must be ignored. I realize that's difficult—sometimes incredibly so—but it's necessary.

The 'Adam' situation
I have no complaints regarding the work of any moderator—not Adam, not Bea, nor Jay.
I believe they maintain a cooler head than the rest of us, and I find it hard to believe they delete posts just for the sake of it. What would be the point? 🤷 They likely see something we are missing or perhaps choose not to see. A lot of content flows through this thread quite smoothly, almost imperceptibly woven into a few words (which cosmicorca5 confirmed in an earlier post), and when posts vanish, we're left wondering why.

I know Michael Ramos4 was penalized previously—more than once, actually... I recall at least two three-day bans recently. Beyond that, the mods warned us multiple times—they even put blue warnings on the thread—but we kept doing things our own way, which eventually led to the thread being shut down one day.

The '@Michael Ramos4' situation
Why are you all placing such immense importance on Michael Ramos4's writing? Don't you think you're the ones who created this whole hype surrounding her?
😕 Why not just put her on ignore? Again, I know it isn't easy, but...

You can claim she has a sarcastic style, that she writes "on the edge," or that she's trolling or obsessed with FER—fine—but accusing her of supporting violence against women? Okay, that is going way too far. Do you even realize the kind of label you are forcing upon someone? 😲

I know Michael Ramos4 from the SV thread; her comments there were exactly like what you see here on the AFK thread—I suppose that's just her style—always "on the edge." 🤷 We didn't agree on anything—and I mean absolutely nothing. 😁 But I accepted that and moved on.

@Dana Booth26 my deepest respects for post 33.

Please, I beg you, please 🙂 do not stop posting in this thread... pleeeeease. 😢

@Christian Richardson23
You hit the nail on the head. I just had to say it. That's exactly how it should be!
And I’m totally with Jerry Campbell7 on that post too—except for the part where she doesn't like Feriha. 😁

So, while we’re all sitting here having this deep discussion about whether someone is trolling—only to reach the grand conclusion that Michael Ramos4 definitely isn't—the exact same user decides to start trolling again within the same 24-hour window. Honestly, give me a break.

I honestly don't have the mental energy to dig through the entire history of this trolling—or the moderators' complete failure to step in and stop it. It only took one day for me to realize that was enough..

Since we’re all out here throwing GIFs around and nitpicking every little sentence—fine, let me justify today’s trolling session with a series of visual aids, just because... Just a mountain of evidence here that they're clearly just trolling.

Take a look at the post below. The user is claiming that Feriha shows absolutely no remorse and isn't taking any responsibility for her actions up to this point.

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goldenfalcon7;47097052 said:Look, don't try to spin the "situation"—because you aren't exactly spinning "facts."]

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Michael Ramos4 says: Check out this post
Well, Emir finally spoke up... "Feriha, stop twisting things." Honestly, he knows her better than anyone—it's pretty obvious at this point. Since the very beginning, Feriha has been spinning every possible scenario and distorting the facts. It’s wild how she managed to keep him completely in the dark while she was busy lying through her teeth.

I just really hope Emir stops falling for Feriha’s little lies—especially since he clearly sees right through them. It would be totally pointless to argue otherwise now that Emir can see exactly what she's doing... he knows her games all too well.

Look, seriously... I’m not making this up.

What does that sentence have to do with what I actually said? From the very beginning, Feriha has been twisting situations and distorting facts. What exactly are you trying to prove here? The facts aren't up for debate—and I didn't claim they were Emir's words. That was my own observation. It’s just how it happened. Right at the start, she flipped the fact that she was a simple girl from a modest home into this fake reality where she was the daughter of a hotel mogul—and everyone just swallowed it as gospel.

She basically twisted the fact that she couldn't afford those designer shoes into a justification for using the building's reserve fund to buy them—all while acting like she was doing it for everyone else's sake. Real classy move.

She basically took every single solid fact and twisted them into complete lies—lies that everyone else actually swallowed as the truth. Is it crystal clear now?

Dana Booth26... as usual, your posts say so much between the lines. I actually agree with everything you said—especially regarding how Feriha seems to have completely wiped the slate clean. She’s conveniently forgotten every single good thing Emir did for her, and more importantly, she's acting like she hasn't done plenty of damage to him in return. She can't even look him in the eye anymore—apparently, that one slap just shattered everything for her. It makes me wonder, though: was everything Emir sacrificed actually worth it? Is all his suffering, the heartbreak, and the constant regret really worth the price he's paying?
After everything that’s gone down up to this point... Feriha doesn't seem to feel any sense of responsibility for anything—and honestly, if there isn't room for regret, forgiveness, and actually trying to do better, then what's the point?

As for Roman... Hadassah always tells it like it is. She acts like she’s staying out of it—just minding her own business while delivering the killing blow—but let's be real: we all saw how she didn't lift a finger to protest those little white lies from Feriha. Honestly, she probably agrees with her aunt behind closed doors. Maybe she rolled her eyes once or twice—or maybe she just wasn't buying what the aunt was selling—but let's face it, that eye roll was pure gold when someone started lecturing her. Hehe.
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Alright, let's actually get into what's happening in this show.

Regret 1 regarding the main character—and taking some responsibility here.

http://postimg.org/gallery/6vx8u21g/e25e2ecd/

regret 2

http://postimg.org/gallery/5m12ycpg/4eb88146/

Regret 1 toward mother, or maybe just regret 3.

http://postimg.org/gallery/7jfzzqvo/badfec38/

Regret to all of you—or rather, my formal apology and assumption of responsibility, part 4.

http://postimg.org/gallery/22tnudas/430f523f/

Regret and Shame Before God—or rather, Regret 5

http://postimg.org/gallery/a9r62fo4/9e322910/

Look, Michael Ramos4 isn't trolling—it just feels like we’re all watching a completely different show while he’s the only one tuned into the actual series. 😁

I personally have zero beef with Michael Ramos4; let him troll all he wants.

But honestly? If this thread were being moderated properly, neither he nor anyone else would feel the need to troll in the first place.

This isn't some witch hunt against Michael Ramos4 and his two friends—it’s just a standard request for decent moderation around here.

For the same reason, I’m not going to bother replying to those previous posts where I was mentioned unfairly—I really have nothing to say regarding a single moderator's private vendetta alongside two buddies.

rustydrifter10, please, give us an answer! Thanks. 🙂

@Dana Nelson thanks for standing up for Feriha's honor! It might sound silly since she's just a fictional character, but while we're watching this show, she feels real to us! And that whole thing you wrote is a massive LIE, a total FABRICATION that you went out of your way to enlarge, bold, and back up with clips! Nice work!
Now you're coming off a bit contradictory, because while I agree we can handle different opinions, we shouldn't tolerate someone making stuff up just to drag someone else through the mud (even if it is a character from a series)

Raymond Gray2 said:@Dana Nelson thanks for standing up for Feriha's honor! It might sound silly since she's just a fictional character, but while we're watching this show, she feels real to us! And that whole thing you wrote is a massive LIE, a total FABRICATION that you went out of your way to enlarge, bold, and back up with clips! Nice work!
Now you're coming off a bit contradictory, because while I agree we can handle different opinions, we shouldn't tolerate someone making stuff up just to drag someone else through the mud (even if it is a character from a series)

If anyone wants to write a brand new script for the show, they should probably just reach out to MedYapim and ask for a job as a screenwriter.

I’m actually volunteering to buy a one-way ticket to New York City for the people involved here.

That seems to be the obvious solution to this whole mess—we'll stick to the actual script and the real plot points, and then we can all discuss the show's developments in peace. 😁

Just my little way of poking fun at all this nonsense. 🙂

Dana Nelson is quite the cast. And this is what we've been dissecting all day and for several days prior.
Let’s be clear: this isn't actually about River. This is about a moderator failing to perform their duties properly; River is merely the evidence of that failure.
Today, Larry Lee97 is fixating on a single sentence—whether the main male lead said it or not. That isn't even the issue, and nobody would complain about it regardless.
We see posts like these every single day in the "girl named Feriha" thread.
It has been stated a million times how Feriha doesn't feel regret, yet she hasn't been able to forgive herself for 54 episodes already. People write about her being opportunistic—which was never actually shown—and then claim she doesn't love Emir, despite the show portraying the exact opposite.
Then we reach the conclusion that Halil isn't to blame for shooting at Zehra 😲. No, it's Zehra and Feriha's fault because they wounded his pride from the old country. The man isn't even from Mardin, he's from Antakya and he's insane, currently sitting in an asylum. So, the woman who left a ten-year-old child with an irresponsible father because of another husband—and who still doesn't even ask her son how he is, caring only about his love life with a wife she dislikes, all while failing to notice her son was kidnapped for days—is considered a good mother. Even though she is portrayed as the literal definition of a bad mother.

Yes, all of that is perfectly logical, perhaps. But not in this series that most of us are watching. ☕

Nicole Palmer4 said:Dana Nelson is quite the cast. And this is what we've been dissecting all day and for several days prior.
Let’s be clear: this isn't actually about River. This is about a moderator failing to perform their duties properly; River is merely the evidence of that failure.
Today, Larry Lee97 is fixating on a single sentence—whether the main male lead said it or not. That isn't even the issue, and nobody would complain about it regardless.
We see posts like these every single day in the "girl named Feriha" thread.
It has been stated a million times how Feriha doesn't feel regret, yet she hasn't been able to forgive herself for 54 episodes already. People write about her being opportunistic—which was never actually shown—and then claim she doesn't love Emir, despite the show portraying the exact opposite.
Then we reach the conclusion that Halil isn't to blame for shooting at Zehra 😲. No, it's Zehra and Feriha's fault because they wounded his pride from the old country. The man isn't even from Mardin, he's from Antakya and he's insane, currently sitting in an asylum. So, the woman who left a ten-year-old child with an irresponsible father because of another husband—and who still doesn't even ask her son how he is, caring only about his love life with a wife she dislikes, all while failing to notice her son was kidnapped for days—is considered a good mother. Even though she is portrayed as the literal definition of a bad mother.

Yes, all of that is perfectly logical, perhaps. But not in this series that most of us are watching. ☕

To prove it was just trolling, this was posted yesterday:

Dana Nelson said:This is pure. Just trolling..

Emir didn't tell her to stop twisting things.. She asked him, "What if things had gone the other way?" He snapped back, "Don't you dare, Feriha..." She pushed again, and that was it—he finally hit his breaking point and lashed out.

Basically, I don't recall Emir ever telling Feriha that she twists the facts..

Here’s the original conversation in English. I don't get this whole thing—making up fake plots and dialogue that never actually happened. 😕😕😕🤷🤷🤷

Emir : Feriha : Don't you even think about going any further.
Feriha: Why? Is it just because you're a man and I'm a woman?
Emir : Feriha : Get out of my way.
Feriha: What if we had flipped the script? Just to watch you suffer...
Emir : Feriha : Don't you even think about it!
Feriha: if I could spend just one night with Mr. Levent.
Mr Levent Emir: Enough!!!!!

So, there was an accusation that forum member @Michael Ramos4 was trolling because she mentioned how Emir told Feriha not to twist the facts. Today, a gif was posted



Basically, that report was overturned. It’s just part of what you claim—that I’m just latching onto single sentences—but really, it's you all who are filing the reports and complaining.

Tonight, forum member Dana Nelson is putting up a new post claiming trolling is happening, sharing images of quotes from Feriha, including her expressing regret. I couldn't respond earlier because it hadn't been posted yet.

The events in the show can't be changed, but everyone here has the right to their own opinion. Someone might say one thing, someone else might believe it, and someone else won't. Moderators aren't obligated to convince or talk people out of their opinions regarding a character. Personally, my views on the characters fall somewhere in the middle of yours, and I’ve never handed out a ban for "trolling" just because someone sees things differently. I've said it many times: if you don't like someone's take, just use the ignore button. Don't waste your energy on them or their posts. This forum is public; if someone were actually hurling insults at your family or using slurs, they would have been permanently banned by now.

I'll repeat: decisions to delete posts aren't just mine. They are made by three moderators and one SM. Deletions, as well as the restoration of non-controversial posts that stay on topic, have been handled.

Reporting helps us, but you have to understand we aren't here 24/7. We always discuss important matters first before taking action.

Not all posts have been moderated yet; once they are, you'll see the bans. No report will go unexamined.

Once we reach an agreement on the future moderation style for these threads, I believe rustydrifter10 will get back to you.

It's also interesting that on the soap operas, there are four moderators working. Users can't actually see who deleted what. Most banned posts are removed immediately, so how can you be so certain that I'm the one doing it all? Do you have some inside information? If that's the case, when you continue this attack, it would be fair to disclose where that info comes from.

I’ve been watching this show, but honestly, I’m still not buying Feriha's "regret"!
She did tear up a little when she ran into Reese and Mehmet at the entrance, sure—but that’s about it!
To me, she hasn't actually shown any real remorse for all the chaos her lies caused Emir and everyone else involved!
"Please forgive me! I was wrong! I made mistakes I wasn't even aware of, and maybe I hurt you all..." blah, blah, blah.
That whole performance just didn't touch my heart one bit. I mean, what's the issue here?!
I just don't trust her—not her actions, and certainly not her words!

Nicole Palmer4 said:Dana Nelson is quite the cast. And this is what we've been dissecting all day and for several days prior.
Let’s be clear: this isn't actually about River. This is about a moderator failing to perform their duties properly; River is merely the evidence of that failure.
Today, Larry Lee97 is fixating on a single sentence—whether the main male lead said it or not. That isn't even the issue, and nobody would complain about it regardless.
We see posts like these every single day in the "girl named Feriha" thread.
It has been stated a million times how Feriha doesn't feel regret, yet she hasn't been able to forgive herself for 54 episodes already. People write about her being opportunistic—which was never actually shown—and then claim she doesn't love Emir, despite the show portraying the exact opposite.
Then we reach the conclusion that Halil isn't to blame for shooting at Zehra 😲. No, it's Zehra and Feriha's fault because they wounded his pride from the old country. The man isn't even from Mardin, he's from Antakya and he's insane, currently sitting in an asylum. So, the woman who left a ten-year-old child with an irresponsible father because of another husband—and who still doesn't even ask her son how he is, caring only about his love life with a wife she dislikes, all while failing to notice her son was kidnapped for days—is considered a good mother. Even though she is portrayed as the literal definition of a bad mother.

Yes, all of that is perfectly logical, perhaps. But not in this series that most of us are watching. ☕

Honestly, I wouldn't even have an issue with people making things up if they weren't deleting the posts from those who (with actual arguments) respond to the fake plot points and vague insinuations. It makes it look like they are flaming or off-topic, while the (troll) posts they responded to stay 🤷

Sam Ramirez81 said:Honestly, I wouldn't even have an issue with people making things up if they weren't deleting the posts from those who (with actual arguments) respond to the fake plot points and vague insinuations. It makes it look like they are flaming or off-topic, while the (troll) posts they responded to stay 🤷

Please send me a link to what you're claiming 🙂

I was wondering... 🤔 do regular forum members not see deleted posts?

Jerry Campbell7 said:I’ve been watching this show, but honestly, I’m still not buying Feriha's "regret"!
She did tear up a little when she ran into Reese and Mehmet at the entrance, sure—but that’s about it!
To me, she hasn't actually shown any real remorse for all the chaos her lies caused Emir and everyone else involved!
"Please forgive me! I was wrong! I made mistakes I wasn't even aware of, and maybe I hurt you all..." blah, blah, blah.
That whole performance just didn't touch my heart one bit. I mean, what's the issue here?!
I just don't trust her—not her actions, and certainly not her words!

Yeah... honestly, I think that pretty much answers everything.

I don't believe a single word out of Feriha's mouth. No matter what she says, I'm not buying it, because it's been proven time and again that she lies and hides the truth. To me, she's a pathological liar. She hasn't convinced me or shown any actual regret, nor does she seem ashamed, because she just keeps making the exact same mistakes. That isn't "repentance" to me—it's nothing. Feriha says, "I'm sorry, I'm ashamed, I'll stand by you through everything," but then the very next chance she gets, she does the opposite. She judges Emir, she lashes out at him, she turns her back, she runs away... so her words mean absolutely nothing. It's one thing to talk the talk, but it's another thing entirely to walk the walk and prove it with your actions.

I have every right to judge her for who she really is, and that's exactly what I'm doing. If someone thinks I'm wrong, that's their problem, not mine. I don't trust Feriha. Generally speaking, I can't stand people like that in real life either—especially those who can't even look you in the eye when they speak, staring at the floor or looking away instead of standing behind their words. I hate two-faced people I can't rely on, and that is my prerogative.
Why on earth would I believe Feriha? Just because most people do? If that puts me in the minority, so be it. Nobody is responsible for that. It's my choice and my stance. I decide who I trust, who I love, and who I respect. My opinion doesn't hurt anyone—not Feriha, and certainly not the majority.

So yeah, Jerry asked a good question: what's the actual problem here?

Dana Nelson🙏 🙏 🙏
Look, we're talking about how there are endless posts like this scattered all over this forum, and they just stay up. 😕

Sam Ramirez81 said:Honestly, I wouldn't even have an issue with people making things up if they weren't deleting the posts from those who (with actual arguments) respond to the fake plot points and vague insinuations. It makes it look like they are flaming or off-topic, while the (troll) posts they responded to stay 🤷

The exact same thing applies here.
Users will provide a reasoned rebuttal to a fake plot point by citing actual events, dialogue, photos, or GIFs, only for their responses to be flagged as trolling, off-topic, or just "chatting," while the blatant fabrications—like the deleted post mentioned above—stay right where they are. 😕

There are so many of these posts; it’s been pointed out that this specific user trolls in about 90% of their contributions. Every single one can be debunked just by pulling up images, exactly like Dana Nelson did.
I honestly don't get it: does someone really have to step up every single time like Dana Nelson and hunt down screenshots just to prove that someone is trolling? Isn't the explanation provided in the report sufficient, or are we now expected to produce forensic evidence for everything? 😕
Who actually has the time to play detective and prove every little lie? And I have to wonder, how is it that the moderators watching the show don't see such massive fabrications? Or do they simply choose not to see them? Isn't it the core responsibility of a moderator to look objectively at the provided episodes as evidence and decide whether a fabrication constitutes trolling or not (especially in cases involving reported trolls)? 😕

Is it really up to the regular users or the moderators to put an end to these manufactured versions of show events? 🤷

Making stuff up and then basing your entire opinion on those lies is fundamentally different from basing your opinion on what was actually broadcast in the series 😉. That first scenario is clearly trolling, isn't it? And that doesn't belong in this discussion thread, does it? Isn't that what the rules explicitly state?

Larry Lee97, wouldn't you agree that the way Michael Ramos's post was twisted is a perfect example of trolling? darktinker12 posted it here today.

Unlike some others, I won't be getting dragged into further debates regarding the characters' actions, because there's simply no place for that here. There's already been a warning to stop doing that, yet it keeps being ignored. ☕

Michael Ramos4 said:Nathan Turner3It’s not about being in a rush... I’ll make things right with everyone eventually.

Looking at these posts, it’s pretty obvious everything is aimed right at me... even though goldenfalcon7 is out here claiming her post had nothing to do with me. If it's not about me, then who exactly is she talking about?
Look, I already said I’d apologize... provided she wasn't actually aiming those shots at me and her whole post and those GIFs weren't meant to be about me.

That's just not true. If you look at goldenfalcon7's other post, it's obvious she spends way more time dealing with me than just focusing on Holly. Honestly, most of the people posting on this thread are pretty much obsessed with me anyway.

It all kicked off because of my post in that thread where they flagged my comment as trolling and making stuff up—even though I proved I was just repeating exactly what happened in the show (that controversial GIF). It’s the exact same vibe as this topic right here, where most of the discussion has basically turned into everyone just picking on me as a user.

Who am I even supposed to talk to about this? This is the second time I’ve been dragged through the mud and targeted over the PZK. And honestly? Not a single person has reached out to apologize—not one forum member, not even a moderator. Nothing.

Do you honestly think I have any grounds to apologize to anyone?

I’m honestly wondering where people get the right to debate me like this... my opinion on the show, my perspective, my own personal take... all on this specific thread. Is this even allowed? Is it actually normal practice here on this forum?

And all this drama just because someone doesn't like my take on a character or how this show is going. Look, I’m not out here on an island by myself—my opinion is shared. If you have a massive problem with someone else's perspective on a topic, honestly, why do you even care? We're all allowed the same thing here: to watch a show and call it like we see it, based on our own vibes and point of view. What am I supposed to be, some kind of liar? I’m just saying Feriha is a manipulator and she’s aggressive. I don't get the attitude. That's just how I see her. Someone else can look at the exact same person and see a sweetheart, a total angel, or a girl with a heart of gold who loves without limits. To each their own.
What kind of scenario am I supposed to be making up about a plot point that didn't even happen in the show? What did I invent? Whatever happens in a series, regardless of the situation, I’m just sharing my thoughts and how it hit me personally... that's it.

And don't even get me started on all the nasty garbage and total nonsense Dana Nelson wrote about me... claiming I'm promoting hate speech or supporting violence against women. That is straight-up sick. To go after a random person on a forum you don't even know... and then her little fan club jumps in to back her up. Honestly, I doubt you even see this kind of stuff in the moderation queues for other soap operas. It's unbelievable that you let one user talk about another like that, especially on a thread that probably has tons of people reading it. On a thread about a soap opera, no less. It's awful. In my opinion, this whole thing is an embarrassment to Forum hr. It drags down the reputation of the entire site and its whole purpose, not to mention the users and you moderators too.

I don't see what there is to understand here.

In that second post by goldenfalcon7 that you quoted (and only took one little slice out of), it’s crystal clear she isn't even bothering with you, and she actually pointed that out. Here is the whole thing:

goldenfalcon7 said:I only quoted this specific part because we've already seen the rest of what was posted and people have complained about it plenty of times. Whatever, I honestly don't even bother paying attention to her (Michael Ramos) or the nonsense she makes up anymore.

But something else is bothering me. The moderator deleted a post where I was quoting another user who was commenting on what happened in tonight's episode (specifically the main character's outfit). I was just adding to the conversation about what we saw. A third user even asked for pictures of what was shown, but once she realized the posts were being wiped, she had to 🙂 go back and edit her own post because she couldn't figure out what she was allowed to say or who she could quote anymore.😕

If the moderator is going to go around deleting things, why isn't she being careful about what she removes so she doesn't confuse everyone else? People might actually start thinking they didn't see what they saw (or that the moderator doesn't want them to see it 😁).

Looking at her "blue" warnings, I've pulled out a few things that I'm apparently not allowed to do—things I thought were fine, but apparently aren't 😢:

1. - I'm not allowed to comment on what other users write (even though I've always exclusively commented on their thoughts about the show before). 😕

2. and here she says to comment on what we saw, yet when we do, she deletes our posts. 😕

Could someone besides her finally tell us exactly what we can and cannot write? Her warnings have left us totally confused (at least I am 😕 🙂).

In the end, I just explained it to myself like this: write only what you saw, and when you do, expect to be deleted. It seems like it's better to write about things you *didn't* see, because practice shows you won't get deleted then. 😳 I might have overcomplicated that last sentence, but then again, that's exactly what the moderator does with her warnings 😳.

goldenfalcon7 clearly stated she isn't paying you any attention, and the rest of her post is just her venting about her own deleted post—which she thinks was unfairly removed—plus some confusion regarding moderator warnings. Read it again and try not to take things out of context. ☕

@Larry Lee97, since you're already here, would you mind telling Michael Ramos4 to clarify that you were the one asking for this image to be posted on the thread today.

If goldenfalcon7 actually wanted to deal with Michael Ramos4 and everything she writes (bless her heart, she should just ignore her), she would have done it last night by quoting her on the main thread and slapping this image and that gif right there.

@Larry Lee97, I think you owe me this—not even because I cropped and posted this image and gif at your request, but as a moderator, because I'm just an "ordinary forum user" who shouldn't be caught in the middle of this mess. Plus, she emphasized that she doesn't deal with Michael Ramos4 or her writing and that she ignores her on the main thread. Thanks in advance!!!

God, what a mess. 😵

Let’s get all the accusations about trolling and making stuff up out of thin air started right here with this post:

Michael Ramos4 said:Well, Emir finally spoke up...Feriha, stop twisting things...

And then there's Dana Nelson:

Dana Nelson said:This is nothing but trolling.

Emir never told her not to twist things.

Here’s the actual proof:


🤣

So, who exactly is making things up and trolling now? 😵

Dana Nelson said:If anyone wants to write a brand new script for the show, they should probably just reach out to MedYapim and ask for a job as a screenwriter.

I’m actually volunteering to buy a one-way ticket to New York City for the people involved here.

That seems to be the obvious solution to this whole mess—we'll stick to the actual script and the real plot points, and then we can all discuss the show's developments in peace. 😁

Just my little way of poking fun at all this nonsense. 🙂

Right? 😬