Complaint against moderator Adam regarding issues in the girl named Feriha thread

Just because Michael Ramos4 wasn't trolling once doesn't change the fact that she is trolling hard this time around. And thank God I have more screenshots from you guys.

For those of you with the memory of a goldfish, let me refresh your minds.😁

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Old News, 13:34 #6394
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goldenfalcon7;47097052 said:Look, don't twist the "situation" (not the "facts")

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Michael Ramos4 says: Look at the post
Well, Emir finally said it... Feriha isn't twisting the situation... clearly, he knows her best. But from the start, Feriha twists every possible situation and fact... and back when Emir wasn't even aware, she was lying through her teeth.

I just hope Emir won't fall for Feriha's little manipulations anymore, even though he's becoming aware of them. It would be pointless now—since Emir can see and know that Fer is twisting things—to claim otherwise.

Seriously... I'm really not making this up.

What does that sentence have to do with what I actually said... about how Feriha twists situations and facts from the get-go? What are you trying to prove? The word "facts" isn't even the point of contention here, and I didn't present them as Emir's specific words... I stated them myself. Like how, right at the beginning, she twisted the fact that she was a working-class girl into the false fact that she was a hotelier's daughter, and everyone accepted it as truth.

She also twisted the fact that she couldn't afford expensive shoes into the fact that she could, by using the building's reserve fund to buy those shoes... and buying them for someone else.

She turned every single fact related to herself into a lie that others believed was reality. Is that clear enough for you now?

Dana Booth26... as always, your posts say so much. I agree with everything you said... including how Feriha conveniently forgets everything good Emir did for her, while simultaneously forgetting all the terrible things she did to him—things she won't even look at him for, because that slap ruined everything for her. I wonder if everything Emir did was worth his suffering, his sadness, and his regret.
Regarding everything that's happened so far... Feriha feels zero responsibility for anything... because there's no room for regret, forgiveness, or making things right.

Roman... Hadassah always tells the truth. She says it like it's none of her business, but she hits the nail on the head. And we see that Feriha never stood up to or protested against those lies and evasions—she probably agrees with her aunt. The only thing she might do is roll her eyes... or maybe she just isn't totally sold on her aunt's words. But hey, rolling your eyes when someone holds your feet to the fire is a classic move, hihihi.
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Now, let's look at what's actually happening in the show.

Regret #1: Toward the main character and taking responsibility.

http://postimg.org/gallery/6vx8u21g/e25e2ecd/

Regret #2.

http://postimg.org/gallery/5m12ycpg/4eb88146/

Regret toward her mother, or Regret #3.

http://postimg.org/gallery/7jfzzqvo/badfec38/

Regret toward everyone, aka Regret and Taking Responsibility #4.

http://postimg.org/gallery/22tnudas/430f523f/

Shame before her father, or Regret #5.

http://postimg.org/gallery/a9r62fo4/9e322910/

No, Michael Ramos4 isn't trolling. It's just that we're all watching a different show, and she's the only one watching the actual series.

Feriha, stop twisting the facts! I would personally tell Michael Ramos4 to stop distorting the truth because you do it in almost every single other post. Isn't that just like Feriha (exactly how you describe her), right?
You claim you don't see Feriha showing any remorse, yet it is presented loud and clear to all of us in the series (Dana Nelson even showed it to us again, though we've all seen it before). When I read your post claiming she isn't repenting, I actually see Feriha in you—specifically the version from season one who constantly lies—because your post isn't based on an opinion, but on a blatant distortion of what was actually seen (the facts). It makes me wonder: what is the difference between the two of you that you simply cannot grasp or comprehend regarding her lies, when you are doing the exact same thing?!
Furthermore, regarding what you wrote on the main thread about the girl Aynur (Feriha's roommate at the dorm):

We finally have another example of a beautiful and brilliant student... Aynur, who shockingly has no clue who the prince or the big shot on campus is, and on top of that, she is honest and smart, and lovely.

I would love to understand how you formed such a strong opinion based on a mere ten sentences, seven of which were just questions directed at Feriha. How is it possible that in the very moment we met this girl, you characterized her so boldly, yet by episode 50, you failed to see a single instance of positive behavior from Feriha?
I forgot to mention that you also neglected to characterize this same Aynur as being a liar, given that eleven of her sentences were falsehoods (since Feriha is at the university). How did you miss that? Oh, right—I forgot, you can probably attribute that solely to Feriha, while everyone else remains perfectly intelligent and honest!!!

northernstag7 said:Feriha, stop twisting the facts! I would personally tell Michael Ramos4 to stop distorting the truth because you do it in almost every single other post. Isn't that just like Feriha (exactly how you describe her), right?
You claim you don't see Feriha showing any remorse, yet it is presented loud and clear to all of us in the series (Dana Nelson even showed it to us again, though we've all seen it before). When I read your post claiming she isn't repenting, I actually see Feriha in you—specifically the version from season one who constantly lies—because your post isn't based on an opinion, but on a blatant distortion of what was actually seen (the facts). It makes me wonder: what is the difference between the two of you that you simply cannot grasp or comprehend regarding her lies, when you are doing the exact same thing?!
Furthermore, regarding what you wrote on the main thread about the girl Aynur (Feriha's roommate at the dorm):

We finally have another example of a beautiful and brilliant student... Aynur, who shockingly has no clue who the prince or the big shot on campus is, and on top of that, she is honest and smart, and lovely.

I would love to understand how you formed such a strong opinion based on a mere ten sentences, seven of which were just questions directed at Feriha. How is it possible that in the very moment we met this girl, you characterized her so boldly, yet by episode 50, you failed to see a single instance of positive behavior from Feriha?
I forgot to mention that you also neglected to characterize this same Aynur as being a liar, given that eleven of her sentences were falsehoods (since Feriha is at the university). How did you miss that? Oh, right—I forgot, you can probably attribute that solely to Feriha, while everyone else remains perfectly intelligent and honest!!!

Look, from her answers and how she talks to Fer... that sharp, open gaze... her body language... her whole vibe... I can feel it... but that doesn't mean I've got her figured out. Maybe she'll let me down or betray me later. Right now, I'm digging her, but I'll see about the future. She just got here from Azerbaijan..

I already said it: I don't see Fer as a positive person. I don't know what part of that isn't clear. Fer could have actually won me over if she hadn't lied and schemed so much, dragging other people into her web of lies, or how she hurt my favorite guy, Emir. She could have stopped all this ages ago just by being honest and apologizing to everyone she deceived... but she didn't. So, what am I supposed to do?

That's just how it is. Feriha just lies, acts wild, keeps secrets, and gets aggressive with Emir. She’s not on good terms with anyone. That’s how I see her, and that's the impression she leaves on me. I like good, sweet people—honest, positive folks who spread good vibes, people who are smiling, open, easy to trust, funny, and so on... because that's what works for me. That's how I watch characters and experience them.

And Feriha has none of that. She is the exact opposite of everything I like... I just don't like her behavior, what she does, or the way she goes about it.

I don't see the point in constantly repeating why I don't like Feriha.
I don't like her. Period. Do I *have* to like Feriha?

At the end of the day, what are we even doing here? This isn't a debate about the show itself; we're talking about me and what I think. Nobody can talk me into seeing it differently, so what's even the point of this whole thread?

As if I'm making stuff up or lying about the lead character... give me a break! And yeah, so what if I like Aynur, Aysun, Lara, Unal, or Tulin? What if Seher's brain cells crack me up? What if I don't like Corey or if Gulsum is dear to me? You get the idea. OMG.

Seriously, northernstag7, are you actually being that naive? River grabs coffee with Aynur practically every single day—he knows everything about her. 😁

Dana Nelson said:Just because Michael Ramos4 wasn't trolling once doesn't change the fact that she is trolling hard this time around. And thank God I have more screenshots from you guys.

For those of you with the memory of a goldfish, let me refresh your minds.😁

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If you’ve already mastered the art of whining about absolutely everything, you could have at least learned how to quote properly. And maybe learned that spamming is against the rules.

As for the rest of this... Are you kidding me? 😁
I refuse to believe that characters in TV shows don't lie. And I am certainly not going to let you dictate who believes whom, just like you try to dictate who is welcome in a discussion thread.

I’m expecting a formal report against Jerry Campbell7 too, because she hasn't managed to convince Feriha that she actually regrets her actions yet.

northernstag7 said:Feriha, stop twisting the facts! I would personally tell Michael Ramos4 to stop distorting the truth because you do it in almost every single other post. Isn't that just like Feriha (exactly how you describe her), right?
You claim you don't see Feriha showing any remorse, yet it is presented loud and clear to all of us in the series (Dana Nelson even showed it to us again, though we've all seen it before). When I read your post claiming she isn't repenting, I actually see Feriha in you—specifically the version from season one who constantly lies—because your post isn't based on an opinion, but on a blatant distortion of what was actually seen (the facts). It makes me wonder: what is the difference between the two of you that you simply cannot grasp or comprehend regarding her lies, when you are doing the exact same thing?!
Furthermore, regarding what you wrote on the main thread about the girl Aynur (Feriha's roommate at the dorm):

We finally have another example of a beautiful and brilliant student... Aynur, who shockingly has no clue who the prince or the big shot on campus is, and on top of that, she is honest and smart, and lovely.

I would love to understand how you formed such a strong opinion based on a mere ten sentences, seven of which were just questions directed at Feriha. How is it possible that in the very moment we met this girl, you characterized her so boldly, yet by episode 50, you failed to see a single instance of positive behavior from Feriha?
I forgot to mention that you also neglected to characterize this same Aynur as being a liar, given that eleven of her sentences were falsehoods (since Feriha is at the university). How did you miss that? Oh, right—I forgot, you can probably attribute that solely to Feriha, while everyone else remains perfectly intelligent and honest!!!

Aside from having to justify why—oh, why— people aren't liking Ferha, now we apparently have to justify why some third-rate character *is* getting likes. 😂

By the way, we aren't on a soap opera sub-forum; we are on the PZK.

Dana Nelson said:Seriously, northernstag7, are you actually being that naive? River grabs coffee with Aynur practically every single day—he knows everything about her. 😁

Here is a textbook example of trolling and provocation right in front of us.

Since you want to pass off everything—from quoting the main character to expressing a personal opinion—as "trolling," let me give you a little tip for the future.

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And these accusations against Adam, who—by the way—has been the very definition of objective and neutral on a thread that was practically soaked in blood and drama, are... just disgusting. 🙂

slytinker11...I’ve been scouring the main thread looking for you, but I can't find your handle anywhere. There isn't a single comment from you on that controversial thread, which leaves me wondering: do you actually have anything to do with this mess, or are you just providing legal counsel to that much-hyped disaster?! Was that meant to be a cry for help, similar to what happened with the PZK (the girl called Feriha, Feriha Sarrafoglu)?

I completely forgot to mention that you also failed to characterize Aynur as a total liar—considering eleven of her sentences were straight-up fabrications (since Feriha is actually in college). Since you neglected to point that out, oh wait, I forgot—you can just blame that on Fer; everyone else is perfectly smart and honest!!!

Michael Ramos4 Let me remind you that I wrote this right after the part you cherry-picked from my post, which you still haven't commented on. Why is that? Does it not fit your specific narrative about that character, or are you simply choosing to ignore it? Perhaps they didn't teach you how to look at the full picture back home, huh?

This is just one more glaring example of how you construct your opinions—selectively cutting or slightly "forgetting" certain situations and facts just so you can paint someone as either a saint or a villain.

rustydrifter10I just noticed the warning about stopping posts here, but the moderator asked me for a link, so I’m just replying to her. 🙂

Larry Lee97 said:Please send me a link to what you're claiming 🙂

darktinker12 said:I was wondering... 🤔 do regular forum members not see deleted posts?

Yeah, I’m not really following this either. I don't have the links to the deleted posts, but I already mentioned some of them at the very beginning of this thread.Lenka's I still feel some regret, though honestly, I can't quite wrap my head around why. If it were just about the deletion itself, I could live with it. But then I see what else was left standing on this thread, and I just don't get it. It makes zero sense to me how those posts—which look like straight-up trolling to me—are considered less harmful to the discussion than the ones that got wiped. If you were actually asking me for links to prove what I mean by those kinds of posts, well, here they are. I think there have been plenty of good examples shared on this forum already, but here’s one from my side.

Michael Ramos4 said:Seher loves money... and she’ll sell out information just to get it.She didn't make anything up, and she certainly didn't lie. She wasn't planting seeds or setting anyone up. She’s just spreading the truth. ...some people have a price for their soul... but then again, those are the ones who actually pay their bills on time. coffee:
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Even a girl like Feriha would have jumped right in her face.Whenever Seher starts lying or making things up....
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It’s not exactly beautiful... how things lead to love like that. But hey, it’s not the worst thing ever. I've seen much worse out there. Still... He doesn't steal. He doesn't cheat. He doesn't lie. He just tells the truth....and the truth is, we see it hurts, and it's expensive too.

People are talking about Seher. In this show, she’s portrayed as this cunning, pretty morally flexible type who cares about nothing but money. She’ll use any scheme or lie necessary to get what she wants or just to wiggle out of a tight spot. Honestly, Seher starts lying the second she opens her mouth—she only tells the truth when it actually suits her. Regarding that whole "I don't steal" thing, I can't help but think about that time with Feriha's ring, where she tried to sell the real one on the black market and ended up getting stuck with a fake returned to her instead.

Michael Ramos4 said:Yeah... she was lying. I can see that too. And I know that... but who exactly did she hurt with all those lies? Who was actually damaged by her actions? Two lies.😁...maybe an uncle. 🤣
But what if she lied about not knowing where Handi got that information?
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What kind of headaches could there be working with Cansa? Isn't Feriha the one who just absolutely wrecked that poor, mentally unstable Cansa... when she practically... She took over her identity.She just completely took over her parents and their entire life... and on top of that... Oh, wow. She sounded so arrogant and sneaky when she said that... But honestly, I was never really on Cansa's side. To me, Feriha was always the better, more deserving person. She deserved everything Cansa had, too.It’s just plain dishonest and malicious on Feriha's part. At the end of the day, she’s only paying the price because of her own lies. Nobody forced her hand; the truth is out there, and now she has to live with the consequences.
Why is everyone suddenly acting like they need to protect and shield Feriha? Like, if someone accidentally offends her or hurts her feelings, we all have to jump in? For what, exactly?Who was Feriha ever actually thinking about... besides herself?.

So, it's finally being admitted that Seher actually lied, but then they go and misquote it, claiming she only lied twice during the series.
Feriha told Cans that she never actually stole her identity, but she didn't say it in a way that was condescending or passive-aggressive either. She never once hinted that she thinks she’s a better or more worthy person than Cans, or that she somehow deserves everything Cans has.

Michael Ramos4 said:And what exactly did Feriha do for someone else... who is she actually thinking about?She just used them all to fuel her own lies... everyone from Emir to Sanem, Cansa... honestly, she played them all. Even Levent and Halil. She manipulated every single one of them just to serve herself.

People are trying to insinuate that Feriha never actually did anything for anyone, but that’s just not true. The show showed so many instances where she stepped up for others—I'm thinking specifically about that time she snuck out of the house just to be there for her friend who had an abortion. Throughout the entire series, Feriha was always portrayed as someone who truly cares about people, weighing who deserves her support and who doesn't, but above all, she's incredibly devoted to her family and her friends.

Michael Ramos4 said:Te Seher's two lies didn't actually hurt anyone directly...
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Seher... watch out, there are two lies in there. She only ended up hurting herself, landing her right in that basement you all hate so much... she walked straight into that hole all on her own... totally unintentional.

Aside from the fact that people are miscounting and saying Seher only lied twice during the series, they’re also totally wrong when they claim her lies didn't actually hurt anyone. There were definitely victims here. You have Mehmet, whom she lied to about being pregnant just to marry him, and then later lied about sabotaging the pregnancy. Then there's Feriha, who was falsely accused by her of pushing her down the stairs and causing a miscarriage.

Michael Ramos4 said:We could probably spend all day until tomorrow just listing everything other people have done... and honestly, I don't think anyone has gone even remotely as far as Seher. 😍Seher loves the hunt... you're right about that... but then again... She isn't stealing and she isn't lying just to find love.She actually had a job too... and she still wants to work so she can earn her own money... but Meho won't let his wife work. ☕"He's the man of the house, so he's the one who's going to provide for the family..." Meho... Meho 🤣

I can't stop thinking about that time Seher tried to sell Feriha's ring on the black market and ended up getting swindled with a cheap knockoff.

Michael Ramos4 said:I mean, who's actually hurt by someone not having a kid?I didn't notice Yilmaz feeling any consolation over that.😂 Not even if they were in court... most of them probably slipped through the cracks without being charged.Sehi could have easily tumbled down those stairs... especially with the way Fer was snapping at her.Maybe Sehi just got spooked by Feriha and lost her footing.😁
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So, I guess I’ll just start making comparisons. two three Lies and nonsense with Feriha's... just total nonsense.

In the show, they made it clear that the whole family was devastated by the loss of the child, especially Mehmet (the father). He drank so much he couldn't even stand up straight—he actually tripped on a broken bottle and ended up in the hospital, so clearly, everyone was physically affected by this. It’s also very obvious how Seher smiles right before she throws herself down the stairs and tries to pin it on Feriha. From what I saw, she threw herself down on purpose, so I don't see any basis for claiming she just got scared and lost her balance.
That last sentence—so we’ve actually reached the point where the number of Seher's lies might actually climb higher than two.

Michael Ramos4 said:Just rewatched the episode... man, how much Feriha pushed everything.. without any fear or shame regarding what people thought.. honestly.. she's someone you have to respect.. Sehi is just an innocent little kid compared to what Fer was doing☕ Talk about consequences.. that jealous uncle really stoked the fire.
So they didn't have fireworks at the wedding, so the uncle decided to give them a memory to hold onto for that day.. to make sure they remember it: lol: : lol:

1. It shows that Feriha lied specifically because she was terrified and deeply ashamed in front of everyone.
2. This bit about "that jealous uncle really stoked the fire" actually happened in the series, but that's a description of the moment when Sehi's ex-boyfriend set her house on fire knowing she and Mehmet were inside—basically trying to burn them alive. So, I just wanted to ask: isn't trivializing felonies against the rules of this forum? That last sentence about the fireworks refers to the exact same incident.

Basically, Feriha is being described as a character who is the complete opposite of how she’s portrayed in the show. The same goes for Seher, except we went from "Seher, who never lies" to "Seher, who told 2-3 lies that didn't hurt anyone." For those of you who actually clicked the links, notice that all the posts are from the same date. You can't really conclude that the descriptions of Seher are contradictory just because opinions shifted as the show progressed. And again, I'll say it: it doesn't bother me that these types of posts stayed up, but I just don't get why they were judged as better or more relevant to the series than the ones that got deleted.

Sam Ramirez81 said:rustydrifter10I just noticed the warning about stopping posts here, but the moderator asked me for a link, so I’m just replying to her. 🙂

Yeah, I’m not really following this either. I don't have the links to the deleted posts, but I already mentioned some of them at the very beginning of this thread.Lenka's I still feel some regret, though honestly, I can't quite wrap my head around why. If it were just about the deletion itself, I could live with it. But then I see what else was left standing on this thread, and I just don't get it. It makes zero sense to me how those posts—which look like straight-up trolling to me—are considered less harmful to the discussion than the ones that got wiped. If you were actually asking me for links to prove what I mean by those kinds of posts, well, here they are. I think there have been plenty of good examples shared on this forum already, but here’s one from my side.

People are talking about Seher. In this show, she’s portrayed as this cunning, pretty morally flexible type who cares about nothing but money. She’ll use any scheme or lie necessary to get what she wants or just to wiggle out of a tight spot. Honestly, Seher starts lying the second she opens her mouth—she only tells the truth when it actually suits her. Regarding that whole "I don't steal" thing, I can't help but think about that time with Feriha's ring, where she tried to sell the real one on the black market and ended up getting stuck with a fake returned to her instead.

So, it's finally being admitted that Seher actually lied, but then they go and misquote it, claiming she only lied twice during the series.
Feriha told Cans that she never actually stole her identity, but she didn't say it in a way that was condescending or passive-aggressive either. She never once hinted that she thinks she’s a better or more worthy person than Cans, or that she somehow deserves everything Cans has.

People are trying to insinuate that Feriha never actually did anything for anyone, but that’s just not true. The show showed so many instances where she stepped up for others—I'm thinking specifically about that time she snuck out of the house just to be there for her friend who had an abortion. Throughout the entire series, Feriha was always portrayed as someone who truly cares about people, weighing who deserves her support and who doesn't, but above all, she's incredibly devoted to her family and her friends.

Aside from the fact that people are miscounting and saying Seher only lied twice during the series, they’re also totally wrong when they claim her lies didn't actually hurt anyone. There were definitely victims here. You have Mehmet, whom she lied to about being pregnant just to marry him, and then later lied about sabotaging the pregnancy. Then there's Feriha, who was falsely accused by her of pushing her down the stairs and causing a miscarriage.

I can't stop thinking about that time Seher tried to sell Feriha's ring on the black market and ended up getting swindled with a cheap knockoff.

In the show, they made it clear that the whole family was devastated by the loss of the child, especially Mehmet (the father). He drank so much he couldn't even stand up straight—he actually tripped on a broken bottle and ended up in the hospital, so clearly, everyone was physically affected by this. It’s also very obvious how Seher smiles right before she throws herself down the stairs and tries to pin it on Feriha. From what I saw, she threw herself down on purpose, so I don't see any basis for claiming she just got scared and lost her balance.
That last sentence—so we’ve actually reached the point where the number of Seher's lies might actually climb higher than two.

1. It shows that Feriha lied specifically because she was terrified and deeply ashamed in front of everyone.
2. This bit about "that jealous uncle really stoked the fire" actually happened in the series, but that's a description of the moment when Sehi's ex-boyfriend set her house on fire knowing she and Mehmet were inside—basically trying to burn them alive. So, I just wanted to ask: isn't trivializing felonies against the rules of this forum? That last sentence about the fireworks refers to the exact same incident.

Basically, Feriha is being described as a character who is the complete opposite of how she’s portrayed in the show. The same goes for Seher, except we went from "Seher, who never lies" to "Seher, who told 2-3 lies that didn't hurt anyone." For those of you who actually clicked the links, notice that all the posts are from the same date. You can't really conclude that the descriptions of Seher are contradictory just because opinions shifted as the show progressed. And again, I'll say it: it doesn't bother me that these types of posts stayed up, but I just don't get why they were judged as better or more relevant to the series than the ones that got deleted.

Since you were adamant that posts stay up while any replies contradicting that get wiped, I requested those links to those specific posts so administration could check if a reply was actually deleted 🙂

From what I can see—and any moderator, SM, or admin could verify this too—there’s only one instance where a post was made, the reply was a total violation of the rules and involved targeting another user, so it was flagged and removed.

The PZK exists specifically so you can appeal if you feel treated unfairly. Nobody is perfect, including myself, and I am always ready to not only admit when I'm wrong but to apologize if I have made a mistake.

To everyone thinking I'm using double standards, I'll leave you with this:

Almost everyone in the camp who dislikes Feriha has received at least one strike from me. To those of you who love Feriha, please be honest with yourselves and consider whether my strikes against anyone are objective or not. Most importantly, I won't call anyone out by name, but you'll recognize yourselves—those I reached out to via private message asking to edit and remove problematic content to avoid reports, unnecessary strikes, and most crucially, further conflict on this thread.

That's all from me on this topic. You all have every right to continue with your "evidence," and rustydrifter10 will be the one to have the final word.
Have a good day and happy posting, everyone.

Sam Ramirez81 said:rustydrifter10I just noticed the warning about stopping posts here, but the moderator asked me for a link, so I’m just replying to her. 🙂

Yeah, I’m not really following this either. I don't have the links to the deleted posts, but I already mentioned some of them at the very beginning of this thread.Lenka's I still feel some regret, though honestly, I can't quite wrap my head around why. If it were just about the deletion itself, I could live with it. But then I see what else was left standing on this thread, and I just don't get it. It makes zero sense to me how those posts—which look like straight-up trolling to me—are considered less harmful to the discussion than the ones that got wiped. If you were actually asking me for links to prove what I mean by those kinds of posts, well, here they are. I think there have been plenty of good examples shared on this forum already, but here’s one from my side.

People are talking about Seher. In this show, she’s portrayed as this cunning, pretty morally flexible type who cares about nothing but money. She’ll use any scheme or lie necessary to get what she wants or just to wiggle out of a tight spot. Honestly, Seher starts lying the second she opens her mouth—she only tells the truth when it actually suits her. Regarding that whole "I don't steal" thing, I can't help but think about that time with Feriha's ring, where she tried to sell the real one on the black market and ended up getting stuck with a fake returned to her instead.

So, it's finally being admitted that Seher actually lied, but then they go and misquote it, claiming she only lied twice during the series.
Feriha told Cans that she never actually stole her identity, but she didn't say it in a way that was condescending or passive-aggressive either. She never once hinted that she thinks she’s a better or more worthy person than Cans, or that she somehow deserves everything Cans has.

People are trying to insinuate that Feriha never actually did anything for anyone, but that’s just not true. The show showed so many instances where she stepped up for others—I'm thinking specifically about that time she snuck out of the house just to be there for her friend who had an abortion. Throughout the entire series, Feriha was always portrayed as someone who truly cares about people, weighing who deserves her support and who doesn't, but above all, she's incredibly devoted to her family and her friends.

Aside from the fact that people are miscounting and saying Seher only lied twice during the series, they’re also totally wrong when they claim her lies didn't actually hurt anyone. There were definitely victims here. You have Mehmet, whom she lied to about being pregnant just to marry him, and then later lied about sabotaging the pregnancy. Then there's Feriha, who was falsely accused by her of pushing her down the stairs and causing a miscarriage.

I can't stop thinking about that time Seher tried to sell Feriha's ring on the black market and ended up getting swindled with a cheap knockoff.

In the show, they made it clear that the whole family was devastated by the loss of the child, especially Mehmet (the father). He drank so much he couldn't even stand up straight—he actually tripped on a broken bottle and ended up in the hospital, so clearly, everyone was physically affected by this. It’s also very obvious how Seher smiles right before she throws herself down the stairs and tries to pin it on Feriha. From what I saw, she threw herself down on purpose, so I don't see any basis for claiming she just got scared and lost her balance.
That last sentence—so we’ve actually reached the point where the number of Seher's lies might actually climb higher than two.

1. It shows that Feriha lied specifically because she was terrified and deeply ashamed in front of everyone.
2. This bit about "that jealous uncle really stoked the fire" actually happened in the series, but that's a description of the moment when Sehi's ex-boyfriend set her house on fire knowing she and Mehmet were inside—basically trying to burn them alive. So, I just wanted to ask: isn't trivializing felonies against the rules of this forum? That last sentence about the fireworks refers to the exact same incident.

Basically, Feriha is being described as a character who is the complete opposite of how she’s portrayed in the show. The same goes for Seher, except we went from "Seher, who never lies" to "Seher, who told 2-3 lies that didn't hurt anyone." For those of you who actually clicked the links, notice that all the posts are from the same date. You can't really conclude that the descriptions of Seher are contradictory just because opinions shifted as the show progressed. And again, I'll say it: it doesn't bother me that these types of posts stayed up, but I just don't get why they were judged as better or more relevant to the series than the ones that got deleted.

It looks like you missed the point... because nobody asked you to go dissecting my posts from some other thread on the forum.

And now what? Everything you wrote is just your own take on Seher... which is fine. So why does my take on Seher bother you so much? You're digging through my old posts where I talk about her... what does that have to do with this specific topic? Since you went through all that trouble, why didn't you just dump everything I ever said about her here for analysis? Instead, you’re just cherry-picking random sentences to nitpick. The whole comment tells a way bigger story than those tiny snippets you pulled out.

The way I see it, you don't need to worry about Seher... feel however you want about her, it's your business. I've written a ton about her... if you actually bothered to read my posts in order, you'd see I don't just focus on Seher or whether anyone else lied besides Feriha... I shared my opinion on whether Sehi was lying too... you just have to read it. All my posts stay on topic, and they say what they say. Why should I have to sit here and explain stuff I've already laid out? From Feriha all the way down to you side characters who are all just gross to me.

I write about the show and the characters based on how I see them... everyone sees things differently, including me.
Seriously though... what else am I supposed to do? Defend every single word and sentence I write? It's funny how you guys have all this energy to hunt through my comments, yet zero interest in actually contributing to the main topic. Hardly anyone even writes on the main thread anymore... everyone just flocks here to the forum to perform surgery on my posts.🤣..what next, you want my home address, phone number, and Social Security number?😁 ☕

I honestly feel like we've covered everything that needs to be said on this thread—maybe even a little too much! Regarding those deleted posts, we've already restored the ones that shouldn't have been taken down in the first place, but I’m going to ask supermod Nathan Turner3 to take another look and potentially restore any others if they were caught up in the crossfire. The moderator was just trying to clear out off-topic chatter, which unfortunately meant some perfectly fine posts got swept up too. It happens, and as you can see, it's an easy fix.

Now, regarding the comments about people making up plot points or acting like something happened when it actually didn't—that's strictly against the rules. That being said, let's remember that everyone perceives things differently, so there really needs to be a distinction made between a personal impression and what actually took place in the story. Personally, I don't follow the series myself, but I do expect the moderators to be able to tell the difference between a subjective feeling and the actual facts so they can moderate accordingly.

Please, I'm asking you all: don't make these discussions personal. Keep your critiques focused on what was written rather than attacking the person who wrote it. If you spot a rule violation, just hit that report button, and if nobody responds, feel free to shoot a DM to the supermod or bring it up here on the PZK.

Also, looking ahead, when a new thread starts, please try not to jump down each other's throats or go looking for provocations. I was pretty lenient this time and let a few questionable posts slide, but I won't be quite so soft next time!

I think that covers all the bases for now, so just get back to enjoying yourselves and chatting!