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Participants Alex CookRyan Vaughn7Anthony Jackson2Dennis Evans6Carol Lewisanaloggull4Walter Grant5Michelle Palmer6Casey White13Matthew Anderson4brightpilot6Jerry Rogers6Ronald HallJessica Rogers2rapidstag2graniteheron132Anthony Barrett37David Anderson72Douglas KernLarry Fox5dustyridge3darkmarlin16Patrick Martinwiredcanyon39 …
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#841 ·
I'll take a fantasy one. ☕

Here’s how I’d run it—give me your thoughts before I pull the trigger and start a thread:
1. signups
There's room for 32 players to sign up—everyone gets randomly assigned a national team from the tournament. Simple enough.
Basically, every player is going to be facing off against another one based on how their national teams matched up in the first round—sort of like a mirror image of the opening bracket.
Like if a player gets drafted to play for Team USA—they’re playing against Mexico, then Cameroon, then Brazil.

2. rules
Round one—let’s go.
Before that first whistle blows for any given round—three rounds ahead, naturally—every player posts their picks for all 16 games:
* nailing the exact score = 3 points
* nailed the exact difference = 2 points
* correct guess = 1 point
Say, if it’s USA vs. Brazil and we end up at 3-1—but Player A calls it 1-0, they walk away with just 1 point; call it 4-2, they get 2 points; call it exactly 3-1, and they snag all 3. Simple enough, right?
The winner for this round is whoever racks up more points—they walk away with three—and a tie earns you just one. Simple enough.
It’s basically 3 sets of 16 games—then everyone in first and second place moves to the next round, paired up like A1 vs B2, C1 vs D2, and so on. Just like a real tournament setup. Even the tie-breakers follow the standard rules. ☕

Round of 16, game two.
So, all eight matchups are set—and here’s how the points stack up:
Winner gets one point. Simple as that.
So, imagine this—Brazil beats Chile 3-0, but some player calls it 4-0 and walks away with one point instead. Just typical stuff.
If you pull off a draw but grab the win in overtime or via a shootout—that’s 2 points on the board.
So, say France and Nigeria tie 1-1—France moves on. But if a player calls it a 2-2 draw and then France wins it on penalties? That’s 2 points. If they call it a 2-2 tie but Nigeria ends up taking the whole thing—that's just 1 point. Simple enough, right?
Exact score = 3 points.
Say, like if the US played Chile and it ended 3-0—if a player calls that exact score, they snag 3 points. Simple as that.
Score a perfect draw—meaning you nail the exact scoreline before heading into overtime or a penalty shootout—and you walk away with 5 points.
So, say France and Nigeria tie 1-1. If you call it a draw but then bet on France to win the shootout—bagging 5 points—while Nigeria ends up taking the whole tournament with just 2 points... that’s some wild math right there.
Bonus info—if a player nails 6 out of 8, they grab 3 points; 7 out of 8 gets them 4; and if you go a perfect 8 for 8, you walk away with 6.
The player with more points wins—straight to the quarterfinals they go. Simple as that.

Game 2 of the quarterfinals.
It’s basically like the round of 16—except instead of eight matchups, they’re just throwing four pairs at us. Real efficient.
Bonus rule—if you nail 3 out of 4 semifinalists, you grab 1 point; if you go 4 for 4, you get 3 points. Easy enough.

Second semi-final, third-place match, then the big finale.
They're running both rounds at once just because there aren't enough games—classic.
The player hands over their picks to the host—then we just play by the standard tournament rules for the round of sixteen and quarterfinals across all four games.
Plus, besides his usual finishing touch, he’s throwing in extra combos for all the other potential matchups—just because.
So, here’s how it works: if you pick the USA, Germany, Argentina, and Brazil for the semis, and then nail the third-place match and the final—great. But—and this is the kicker—if you miss even one semifinal winner, the whole strategy falls apart. You’ll end up scrambling and sending in different combos just to salvage the last two games. Though, if you actually call the semifinal winners correctly? You snag a 5-point bonus. Simple enough, I guess.
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#842 ·
When we're looking at the semifinals and the finals, we could easily throw in other stats beyond just the scoreline—things like total cards, red cards, corner counts, or even possession margins. If we did it that way, we'd end up with four players practically tied for the "final," which totally ruins the whole point of having a real showdown between just two people!
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#843 ·
We can hammer out those final details—provided he’s actually a decent tipster—because I'm really not looking to collect any yellow cards here... I just wanted to gauge the mods' vibes and see what the rest of the crew thinks about my proposal.
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#844 ·
Honestly, I don't see the problem at all! It’s really just a matter of rounding up 32 players who actually want to get in on the action and participate actively.
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#845 ·
I’ll open up the sign-up thread and the chat room shortly—just gonna hang back for a bit to see what everyone else is thinking regarding the semi-final and final rosters. A few days before we kick things off, I’ll also get the thread going for posting scores and stats. There should be plenty of interest, I reckon. But let's be real: if we can't pull together a full 32 players, the whole thing isn't happening. ☕
Patrick Wright2 Patrick Wright2 Active Member
128 messages
joined Mar 2012
#846 ·
How long do these groups need to be ready by?
graniteotter6 graniteotter6 Member
49 messages
joined Jan 2016
#847 ·
Mićko, if you pull the trigger on this, people are going to flock to it. It’s a solid concept, and I’m fully behind it. I suppose I should sit down and actually parse through the rulebook before I make a formal suggestion, but overall, the vision is excellent. By the way, the finals really ought to feature two players. Who cares if there aren't many matches in the semifinals? You'll still rack up plenty of points regardless of the sample size. Again, I’ll need to look closer at the details first.
We don't necessarily need 32 participants; for our tournament, 24 players would be plenty—essentially eight groups of three, with one person getting a bye. If we end up somewhere between 24 and 32, some groups will just have three people while others have four, and two move on. Just drop a few national teams and we're good to go.

Following the recent trend seen in places like London or Sochi, I’ll preemptively set the stage with a title: "The World Cup through the lens of the US Soccer Federation." ☕ I just hope nobody tries to screw me over. 🙂
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#848 ·
I suppose I shall be writing about Greece instead...
Anthony Barrett37 Anthony Barrett37 Active Member
68 messages
joined Mar 2011
#849 ·
Can someone just give me a quick rundown of those rules? I really don't feel like reading more than three lines.
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#850 ·
graniteotter6 said:Mićko, if you pull the trigger on this, people are going to flock to it. It’s a solid concept, and I’m fully behind it. I suppose I should sit down and actually parse through the rulebook before I make a formal suggestion, but overall, the vision is excellent. By the way, the finals really ought to feature two players. Who cares if there aren't many matches in the semifinals? You'll still rack up plenty of points regardless of the sample size. Again, I’ll need to look closer at the details first.
We don't necessarily need 32 participants; for our tournament, 24 players would be plenty—essentially eight groups of three, with one person getting a bye. If we end up somewhere between 24 and 32, some groups will just have three people while others have four, and two move on. Just drop a few national teams and we're good to go.

Following the recent trend seen in places like London or Sochi, I’ll preemptively set the stage with a title: "The World Cup through the lens of the US Soccer Federation." ☕ I just hope nobody tries to screw me over. 🙂

I can do 24 too; thought of that a bit later. 🤣

Alright, I'll start the thread now so people can begin signing up.
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#851 ·
Patrick Wright2 said:How long do these groups need to be ready by?

Count on June 1st.
James Nelson8 James Nelson8 Active Member
63 messages
joined Mar 2011
#852 ·
Michelle Palmer6 said:When we're looking at the semifinals and the finals, we could easily throw in other stats beyond just the scoreline—things like total cards, red cards, corner counts, or even possession margins. If we did it that way, we'd end up with four players practically tied for the "final," which totally ruins the whole point of having a real showdown between just two people!

We aren't doing that.

Patrick Wright2 said:How long do these groups need to be ready by?

June 1, 2014 at 09:00

Amanda Evans2 said:I suppose I shall be writing about Greece instead...

Approved.

With utmost respect,
James Nelson8
Eric Fox7 Eric Fox7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jul 2012
#853 ·
Anthony Barrett37 said:Can someone just give me a quick rundown of those rules? I really don't feel like reading more than three lines.

Casey White13 said:I'll take a fantasy one. ☕

Here’s how I’d run it—give me your thoughts before I pull the trigger and start a thread:
1. signups
There's room for 32 players to sign up—everyone gets randomly assigned a national team from the tournament. Simple enough.
Basically, every player is going to be facing off against another one based on how their national teams matched up in the first round—sort of like a mirror image of the opening bracket.
Like if a player gets drafted to play for Team USA—they’re playing against Mexico, then Cameroon, then Brazil.

2. rules
Round one—let’s go.
Before that first whistle blows for any given round—three rounds ahead, naturally—every player posts their picks for all 16 games:
* nailing the exact score = 3 points
* nailed the exact difference = 2 points
* correct guess = 1 point
Say, if it’s USA vs. Brazil and we end up at 3-1—but Player A calls it 1-0, they walk away with just 1 point; call it 4-2, they get 2 points; call it exactly 3-1, and they snag all 3. Simple enough, right?
The winner for this round is whoever racks up more points—they walk away with three—and a tie earns you just one. Simple enough.
It’s basically 3 sets of 16 games—then everyone in first and second place moves to the next round, paired up like A1 vs B2, C1 vs D2, and so on. Just like a real tournament setup. Even the tie-breakers follow the standard rules. ☕

Round of 16, game two.
So, all eight matchups are set—and here’s how the points stack up:
Winner gets one point. Simple as that.
So, imagine this—Brazil beats Chile 3-0, but some player calls it 4-0 and walks away with one point instead. Just typical stuff.
If you pull off a draw but grab the win in overtime or via a shootout—that’s 2 points on the board.
So, say France and Nigeria tie 1-1—France moves on. But if a player calls it a 2-2 draw and then France wins it on penalties? That’s 2 points. If they call it a 2-2 tie but Nigeria ends up taking the whole thing—that's just 1 point. Simple enough, right?
Exact score = 3 points.
Say, like if the US played Chile and it ended 3-0—if a player calls that exact score, they snag 3 points. Simple as that.
Score a perfect draw—meaning you nail the exact scoreline before heading into overtime or a penalty shootout—and you walk away with 5 points.
So, say France and Nigeria tie 1-1. If you call it a draw but then bet on France to win the shootout—bagging 5 points—while Nigeria ends up taking the whole tournament with just 2 points... that’s some wild math right there.
Bonus info—if a player nails 6 out of 8, they grab 3 points; 7 out of 8 gets them 4; and if you go a perfect 8 for 8, you walk away with 6.
The player with more points wins—straight to the quarterfinals they go. Simple as that.

Game 2 of the quarterfinals.
It’s basically like the round of 16—except instead of eight matchups, they’re just throwing four pairs at us. Real efficient.
Bonus rule—if you nail 3 out of 4 semifinalists, you grab 1 point; if you go 4 for 4, you get 3 points. Easy enough.

Second semi-final, third-place match, then the big finale.
They're running both rounds at once just because there aren't enough games—classic.
The player hands over their picks to the host—then we just play by the standard tournament rules for the round of sixteen and quarterfinals across all four games.
Plus, besides his usual finishing touch, he’s throwing in extra combos for all the other potential matchups—just because.
So, here’s how it works: if you pick the USA, Germany, Argentina, and Brazil for the semis, and then nail the third-place match and the final—great. But—and this is the kicker—if you miss even one semifinal winner, the whole strategy falls apart. You’ll end up scrambling and sending in different combos just to salvage the last two games. Though, if you actually call the semifinal winners correctly? You snag a 5-point bonus. Simple enough, I guess.

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Bryan Adams6 Bryan Adams6 Active Member
80 messages
joined Jul 2012
#854 ·
So which group are we actually supposed to build then? 🤷
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#855 ·
I'm really not sure if steelgardener24 has officially pulled the plug on his pick yet—he needs to confirm! If he’s out, then you're stepping into his spot. If not, just grab one of the remaining open slots.

A -
B - Patrick Wright2
C - neonfalcon16
D - Robert Torres
E - Alex Cook
F - steelgardener24/Bryan Adams6
G -
H - Jesse Sullivan5
steelgardener24 steelgardener24 Member
11 messages
joined May 2013
#856 ·
If it’s not an issue, I’ll let Amazon handle that duty 😁

My deepest apologies if I messed up the concept once again 🙂
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#857 ·
steelgardener24 said:If it’s not an issue, I’ll let Amazon handle that duty 😁

My deepest apologies if I messed up the concept once again 🙂

Man, you should definitely pick up a book! We have always been huge advocates for education on this subforum.☕

So, here is the lineup:

A -
B - Patrick Wright2
C - neonfalcon16
D - Robert Torres
E - Alex Cook
F - Bryan Adams6
G -
H - Jesse Sullivan5

We are currently scouting for candidates to fill out the remaining groups, A and G.
Robert Torres Robert Torres Active Member
108 messages
joined Dec 2009
#858 ·
Michelle Palmer6 said:Come on, guys! Let’s get those confirmations in for this. I don't want to have to show up at your front doors to collect them myself! ☕

Moving forward, then! We are on the hunt for official openers for the other groups!Alex Cook said he’ll be in Group E. Unless he comes out and denies it, that’s my final word on the matter! 😁

So, they actually stayed! A, B, and G!

I'm in.

btw, sign me up to open the threads for the LP finals too.
Bryan Adams6 Bryan Adams6 Active Member
80 messages
joined Jul 2012
#859 ·
Michelle Palmer6 said:Man, you should definitely pick up a book! We have always been huge advocates for education on this subforum.☕

So, here is the lineup:

A -
B - Patrick Wright2
C - neonfalcon16
D - Robert Torres
E - Alex Cook
F - Bryan Adams6
G -
H - Jesse Sullivan5

We are currently scouting for candidates to fill out the remaining groups, A and G.

Small correction, there's also a colleague with a big Z🙂
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#860 ·
Corrected 😁

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