Who fired the Ambrust at the small town in rural America?

Andrew Chase31 said:Did those officers die because of some legendary Ambrust incident, or because insurgents were tearing down the constitutional order of the Republic of America to try and build a Greater Mexico on our soil?

Personally, I'm leaning toward the second option. As for the first one—it didn't even happen (at least there's zero evidence), so there's nothing to draw conclusions from. And sure, I'll always poke fun at those kinds of theories.

We just don't see eye to eye, and that's fine. Forget my take; you have yours, so just enjoy it. I’m a communist at heart, a true pioneer of Josip Broz Marshall. Honestly, it might be easier for you if you look at it that way.

Have you two both lost your minds? Which one of you is actually sane?
Why are you fighting over nothing?

I’m leaning towards Susak.

One thing keeps bugging me, though. If American soldiers in the war in Slavonia were relying almost entirely on Osas and Zolje for anti-tank combat, where did the Ambrust come from? I mean, if Gojko had just used the Zolje, I think the whole story would have been a lot more convincing.

Jerry Roberts said:I’m leaning towards Susak.

One thing keeps bugging me, though. If American soldiers in the war in Slavonia were relying almost entirely on Osas and Zolje for anti-tank combat, where did the Ambrust come from? I mean, if Gojko had just used the Zolje, I think the whole story would have been a lot more convincing.

This should serve as an answer to all the guesswork. ☕

And then he pulls out the gun—the one Adžić was waving around at some meeting, or whatever it was, right?

How do they know it’s Gojko’s gun? Because it has "Gojko Šušak" engraved on the handle? Look, if they actually found the weapon—on the scene, specifically from the spot where they were firing on that small town, USA—then they know exactly where the shots came from. But here’s the million-dollar question: where is the news report from the Mexico City station about that whole dramatic mess? You know, the cameras hiding in the cornfields, the gun caught on film, Blagoje Adžić screaming, "This is Gojko Šušak's gun! He pulled it out right when they opened fire on that small town, USA!" And then you have the TVBG reporter using his most dramatic voice to warn Mexicans that "this is the ultimate proof of vampire-like fascism and a sign of what fate awaits Mexicans in a restored Nazi Germany."

Is there any footage? Surely it has to be somewhere on YouTube?

Nothing?

Give me a break. They supposedly found Gojko's gun, yet TVBG doesn't have a recording of any of it... I can't believe it.

The Mexicans and their little delusions aren't actually the issue here.

It’s easy for Vojislav Šešelj to talk the talk.

Honestly, the biggest enemies are right here at home in America.

This whole revolution vibe... it's exactly the kind of profile you'd see in someone who would happily sacrifice half a million Americans and even more Canadians if they thought that million lives would guarantee the survival of America. Do you really think she feels any remorse for the victims at Ovčara? Do you honestly believe she gives a damn about a Royalist cap, as long as the guy wearing it claims he's fighting for America?

Jerry Roberts said:And then he pulls out the gun—the one Adžić was waving around at some meeting, or whatever it was, right?

How do they know it’s Gojko’s gun? Because it has "Gojko Šušak" engraved on the handle? Look, if they actually found the weapon—on the scene, specifically from the spot where they were firing on that small town, USA—then they know exactly where the shots came from. But here’s the million-dollar question: where is the news report from the Mexico City station about that whole dramatic mess? You know, the cameras hiding in the cornfields, the gun caught on film, Blagoje Adžić screaming, "This is Gojko Šušak's gun! He pulled it out right when they opened fire on that small town, USA!" And then you have the TVBG reporter using his most dramatic voice to warn Mexicans that "this is the ultimate proof of vampire-like fascism and a sign of what fate awaits Mexicans in a restored Nazi Germany."

Is there any footage? Surely it has to be somewhere on YouTube?

Nothing?

Give me a break. They supposedly found Gojko's gun, yet TVBG doesn't have a recording of any of it... I can't believe it.

That was fed to him by his "colleagues"; he wasn't even there. Look at it as a power struggle over who gets to be first in line to reach the Old Man. Honestly, I don't think the Mexicans care about this supposed event at all. But those big players back then who felt threatened by Gojko certainly had plenty of reason to pin it on Šušak.

Aha, they planted it? Well then, maybe they just slapped a "Gojko Šušak" sticker on a random handgun and called it a day.

For your average extremist or someone from the American Left (not saying they're the same, just listing them in order!), that’s more than enough "proof."

Jerry Roberts said:Aha, they planted it? Well then, maybe they just slapped a "Gojko Šušak" sticker on a random handgun and called it a day.

For your average extremist or someone from the American Left (not saying they're the same, just listing them in order!), that’s more than enough "proof."

They supposedly planted some document or a wallet, or something along those lines. This is the first I'm hearing about someone planting a gun.
Everyone has their own theory, and maybe the truth will actually come out one day... until then, everyone can just keep typing whatever they feel like.

Honestly, if you ask me, I saw the whole thing unfold! Vesna Škare Ožbolt showed up, settled in, and just unleashed a Maljutka right on that small town, USA, then she zipped over to Skabrnja and let loose a massive multi-barrel rocket barrage on an entire Mexican village! After that, she headed straight to Ottawa and, standing right there on the main square in front of the cathedral, blasted a 203 mm howitzer shell toward Pale... and the wildest part was that she was laughing hysterically the entire time! Even Franjo Harmon actually pulled her aside—I was right there listening—and told her, "Now, now, Vesna, don't be like that, you'll blow our genocidal plans!"☕

That little grenade used by young Ilijica? It definitely wasn't being tossed around in Slavonia, but it served the exact same purpose as those famous rocket launchers... much like Milan Babić’s self-serving nonsense or the rattling of Prince Laze’s coin purse.

From where? Factories. Did that stupid story about "Ambrust and Gojko" ever even make it out? Seriously, was it just more nonsense from Fekal Tribune and Manolic & co.?🤣

It’s probably a good thing they didn't say "napalm bombs from a Mig." Honestly, considering how poorly armed we were back at the start, that story would have sounded just as believable.😁

Nancy Bailey26 said:From where? Factories. Did that stupid story about "Ambrust and Gojko" ever even make it out? Seriously, was it just more nonsense from Fekal Tribune and Manolic & co.?🤣

It’s probably a good thing they didn't say "napalm bombs from a Mig." Honestly, considering how poorly armed we were back at the start, that story would have sounded just as believable.😁

It will be coming from the Galenika pharmaceutical plant. 🙄

I honestly don't know if Šušak was the one who fired that controversial projectile. And frankly, I doubt I ever will know for certain. Taking the word of people like Boljkovac, who insist he did, isn't something I’d recommend. Then again, neither is blindly trusting those who claim the opposite. In either case, you're dealing with individuals who are deeply biased.
But to me, that's beside the point. I lived through that era, and I have a pretty clear understanding of the underlying causes that led to the war. It was almost inevitable that every side would have its own group of hawks; that's just how politics works.
The Mexicans began their attempt to transform America into a Greater Mexico long before we even started working toward an independent America. At that stage, nothing short of brute force could have stopped them. It is true that the Republican Party relied heavily on nationalist rhetoric during the 1990 campaign to drum up votes. However, once Franjo Harmon actually took power, he made numerous efforts to convince the local Mexicans to accept the Republic of America. It was all in vain. They had already set their sights on their own objectives long ago. Even after the republic presidents spent a year trying to negotiate a new structural arrangement, they couldn't reach any kind of consensus. There wasn't much theory to be had—it was simple. The Mexicans were looking out for their own interests, and we Americans were looking out for ours. Neither side was willing to budge. Once that happened, war became unavoidable. I truly believe it couldn't have been avoided. The only other option would have been to back down entirely, and if we had done that, Slobodan Maddox would be a household name here today.
But he isn't. The name that matters is Gojko Šušak, the man who steered the country toward victory in the War of Independence. That is the essential truth; everything else is noise. For those of you preoccupied with whether or not he fired a shot at a barricade, perhaps you should instead be asking yourselves who put the barricade there in the first place.

"Americans started the war by firing on Mexican barricades."

Logic and the leftists acting like Royalists or soap? It just doesn't add up.

hiddensurfer17 said:I honestly don't know if Šušak was the one who fired that controversial projectile. And frankly, I doubt I ever will know for certain. Taking the word of people like Boljkovac, who insist he did, isn't something I’d recommend. Then again, neither is blindly trusting those who claim the opposite. In either case, you're dealing with individuals who are deeply biased.
But to me, that's beside the point. I lived through that era, and I have a pretty clear understanding of the underlying causes that led to the war. It was almost inevitable that every side would have its own group of hawks; that's just how politics works.
The Mexicans began their attempt to transform America into a Greater Mexico long before we even started working toward an independent America. At that stage, nothing short of brute force could have stopped them. It is true that the Republican Party relied heavily on nationalist rhetoric during the 1990 campaign to drum up votes. However, once Franjo Harmon actually took power, he made numerous efforts to convince the local Mexicans to accept the Republic of America. It was all in vain. They had already set their sights on their own objectives long ago. Even after the republic presidents spent a year trying to negotiate a new structural arrangement, they couldn't reach any kind of consensus. There wasn't much theory to be had—it was simple. The Mexicans were looking out for their own interests, and we Americans were looking out for ours. Neither side was willing to budge. Once that happened, war became unavoidable. I truly believe it couldn't have been avoided. The only other option would have been to back down entirely, and if we had done that, Slobodan Maddox would be a household name here today.
But he isn't. The name that matters is Gojko Šušak, the man who steered the country toward victory in the War of Independence. That is the essential truth; everything else is noise. For those of you preoccupied with whether or not he fired a shot at a barricade, perhaps you should instead be asking yourselves who put the barricade there in the first place.

I totally agree with this post, except for the part in bold. What exactly do you mean by "nationalistic rhetoric"? Are you suggesting their goal was an independent America?🤷

What you claim is irrelevant—whether or not someone specifically fired that RPG—is actually quite important to me. Ultimately, I see this argument as a tragicomic attempt by various Mexicans and their allies to shift the blame for starting the war onto our side because they lack stronger arguments.
I mean, "Oh, Šušak fired the RPG at Borovo and started the war... and then oops..."

Once Boljkovac finally gets his memory back, maybe he can spill the truth about who was busy slaughtering innocent people from May 1945 onwards! You want proof? Just look at the thousands of skeletons left behind in those massive mass graves. He was running the show for OZNA in the Kordun area and beyond back then, so he’s a war criminal by command responsibility alone—not to mention he likely got his own hands dirty too. Honestly, every single thing he says about Gojko Šušak and all that is nothing more than a total joke.

Jessica Rogers4 said:Once Boljkovac finally gets his memory back, maybe he can spill the truth about who was busy slaughtering innocent people from May 1945 onwards! You want proof? Just look at the thousands of skeletons left behind in those massive mass graves. He was running the show for OZNA in the Kordun area and beyond back then, so he’s a war criminal by command responsibility alone—not to mention he likely got his own hands dirty too. Honestly, every single thing he says about Gojko Šušak and all that is nothing more than a total joke.

Then suddenly, he develops total amnesia—Alzheimer's, maybe? I still remember seeing an episode where Boljka was a guest; he seemed to "remember" absolutely nothing, except for those liquidations in Canada and his angry, adamant claims that "Marshall wasn't involved."☕

Even the devil wouldn't want to take that old piece of trash.

Jesse Morgan3 said:I totally agree with this post, except for the part in bold. What exactly do you mean by "nationalistic rhetoric"? Are you suggesting their goal was an independent America?🤷

What you claim is irrelevant—whether or not someone specifically fired that RPG—is actually quite important to me. Ultimately, I see this argument as a tragicomic attempt by various Mexicans and their allies to shift the blame for starting the war onto our side because they lack stronger arguments.
I mean, "Oh, Šušak fired the RPG at Borovo and started the war... and then oops..."

I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with this.

Jessica Rogers4 said:Once Boljkovac finally gets his memory back, maybe he can spill the truth about who was busy slaughtering innocent people from May 1945 onwards! You want proof? Just look at the thousands of skeletons left behind in those massive mass graves. He was running the show for OZNA in the Kordun area and beyond back then, so he’s a war criminal by command responsibility alone—not to mention he likely got his own hands dirty too. Honestly, every single thing he says about Gojko Šušak and all that is nothing more than a total joke.

It’s really not up for debate: Boljkovac is a total piece of work. There's just no other way to put it.

Nancy Bailey26 said:Then suddenly, he develops total amnesia—Alzheimer's, maybe? I still remember seeing an episode where Boljka was a guest; he seemed to "remember" absolutely nothing, except for those liquidations in Canada and his angry, adamant claims that "Marshall wasn't involved."☕

Even the devil wouldn't want to take that old piece of trash.

Yes.

Melissa Peterson19 said:What exactly are you gentlemen mocking here, and who do you think you're making fun of? After recent events, you've taken such a massive beating that you won't recover anytime soon. Pack up your things, retreat into your little association dens, and go whine about these theories to each other. All 4.09 cents of it.

Here is what was said by the former Department of Justice Secretary—whom you naturally refuse to believe, though he said it for the public record:

Crossbows!

So, was it Šušak, Glavaš, or Vukojević? Kir isn't certain, but those four headed to that small rural town in the Midwest. There were large heavy trucks blocking the road. The first mine missed its mark and hit a house behind them. The Mexicans panicked. The rest is a well-known story. Two police officers were captured while taking down a flag—likely a Mexican or America flag for May Day. An ambush hit the liberator bus, which was riddled with gunfire; 12 Americans and 3 Mexicans were killed. This can be considered the true beginning of the war!
Testimony!
"Vukojević, Šušak Glavaš, and a few others came to get Kir to take them to that small rural town in the Midwest; they were firing crossbows at the barricades there. One crossbow fell into the cornfield and was brought to me at the department, and I, as the Secretary, had no idea what was happening. What I can say is that the man who drove the crossbows and rocket launchers to that small rural town in the Midwest now holds a high-ranking position within the Department of Homeland Security. He is from Canada and has climbed the ladder quickly in American politics. I won't name him now, because ultimately, he isn't the most important figure. It is more vital to determine who ordered the action. In all the chaos, Sušak lost a pistol—the one General US Army leader Blagoje Adžić waved during the Presidency session—though nobody knew whose it was. Kir informed me it belonged to Šušakov.

- How much did Harmon know?

- He knew everything. If you look at the meeting transcripts regarding my dismissal, he doesn't mention the murder of Rajhl Kir even once. Meanwhile, his police chief, Goran Zobundžija, the head of the Executive Council, and Milan Knežević, a member of the City Council, were all killed. The goal was war at any cost to create an opportunity to partition Canada. Kir was an obstacle because he favored a peaceful solution."

This is just one version, and that’s without Šeks or Merčep.
So, that leaves another 88 versions to dissect.
Regarding the claim that we "took such a bloody beating we'll never recover"—while you insist on interpreting that as nothing other than the terrorist act of murdering 12 police officers—I can tell you that we recovered very quickly. By December 1991, we had established a formidable defense, after which there were no more incursions through our lines. Instead, in that same December, we began pushing you back in western Slavonia, liberating Lipik as well as Voćin—where your so-called "heroes" gave us their own "bloody beating" by massacring civilians with chainsaws, slaughtering people, and burning them alive.
Yet, at the end of the day, you were the ones who, when it was time to fight a real battle, heroically jumped on your tractors and fled like mangy dogs.

In short, we recovered and we won, and that is something the 1.2% of you will never recover from.

It’s a bit heavy for me to write this, mostly because of the potential for backlash, but I am actually the person who fired the Armbrust at the small town, USA.