Who fired the Ambrust at the small town in rural America?

Jesse Morgan3 said:I totally agree with this post, except for the part in bold. What exactly do you mean by "nationalistic rhetoric"? Are you suggesting their goal was an independent America?🤷

What you claim is irrelevant—whether or not someone specifically fired that RPG—is actually quite important to me. Ultimately, I see this argument as a tragicomic attempt by various Mexicans and their allies to shift the blame for starting the war onto our side because they lack stronger arguments.
I mean, "Oh, Šušak fired the RPG at Borovo and started the war... and then oops..."

"Hmmmmm... yeah," the late Seva might have said...

All I recall is that I didn't cast my vote for the Republican Party—it was for the American State-Building Movement...
FT was somehow completely stuck in his ways—the Republican Party never really had a clear stance on an independent America...
FT was just sort of drifting around, in my opinion—playing the independent card, then leaning toward confederation, followed by that moratorium, then all that back-and-forth nonsense...

Back then—young, green, and perhaps a bit too eager—I just wanted a crew that would say a definitive "bye" to the old America and its various republics... a clean break to say hello to the rest of the world and the EU...
I didn't quite grasp those global political games... and now everyone is talking about nationalist rhetoric—as if that's such a dirty word...
They were always walking on eggshells, making sure nobody took offense... it really got under my skin—I've mentioned it enough times now... just how grating it was...

Gregory Taylor2 said:It’s a bit heavy for me to write this, mostly because of the potential for backlash, but I am actually the person who fired the Armbrust at the small town, USA.

I saw you lying there in the wheat field.
You weren't even capable of keeping your own gas from setting your backside on fire.
And you still missed. You brought shame upon us all. 🙂

restlessridge88 said:I saw you lying there in the wheat field.
You weren't even capable of keeping your own gas from setting your backside on fire.
And you still missed. You brought shame upon us all. 🙂

Now, this was just a little joke, Gregory Taylor2, there's no need to get worked up. Honestly. 🙂

Jesse Morgan3 said:I totally agree with this post, except for the part in bold. What exactly do you mean by "nationalistic rhetoric"? Are you suggesting their goal was an independent America?🤷

What you claim is irrelevant—whether or not someone specifically fired that RPG—is actually quite important to me. Ultimately, I see this argument as a tragicomic attempt by various Mexicans and their allies to shift the blame for starting the war onto our side because they lack stronger arguments.
I mean, "Oh, Šušak fired the RPG at Borovo and started the war... and then oops..."

hiddenotter98 said:"Hmmmmm... yeah," the late Seva might have said...

All I recall is that I didn't cast my vote for the Republican Party—it was for the American State-Building Movement...
FT was somehow completely stuck in his ways—the Republican Party never really had a clear stance on an independent America...
FT was just sort of drifting around, in my opinion—playing the independent card, then leaning toward confederation, followed by that moratorium, then all that back-and-forth nonsense...

Back then—young, green, and perhaps a bit too eager—I just wanted a crew that would say a definitive "bye" to the old America and its various republics... a clean break to say hello to the rest of the world and the EU...
I didn't quite grasp those global political games... and now everyone is talking about nationalist rhetoric—as if that's such a dirty word...
They were always walking on eggshells, making sure nobody took offense... it really got under my skin—I've mentioned it enough times now... just how grating it was...

Just look at the choice of words.

hiddensurfer17 said:Just look at the choice of words.

No, I wasn't referring to your comment—that’s why I quoted him instead of you.

I just wanted to share my take on those years... what I meant was that, looking back at that initial lineup of parties during the first elections, the Republican Party wasn't extreme by any means. If anything, they seemed far too mild to me. They never truly made an unambiguous stand regarding an independent state, and that's what I was looking for...

restlessridge88 said:I saw you lying there in the wheat field.
You weren't even capable of keeping your own gas from setting your backside on fire.
And you still missed. You brought shame upon us all. 🙂

restlessridge88 said:Now, this was just a little joke, Gregory Taylor2, there's no need to get worked up. Honestly. 🙂

Every single night, that moment haunts me—that damn mistake. You know exactly how it went down; I had one too many shots of whiskey and suddenly thought I was some kind of hero. 😁

Now you're starting to fear legal prosecution, but let's be real—they can't just grant us an amnesty. 🤣
But don't worry, I didn't see you, and I certainly didn't see that damn small town, USA.

Gregory Taylor2 said:Every single night, that moment haunts me—that damn mistake. You know exactly how it went down; I had one too many shots of whiskey and suddenly thought I was some kind of hero. 😁

Now you're starting to fear legal prosecution, but let's be real—they can't just grant us an amnesty. 🤣
But don't worry, I didn't see you, and I certainly didn't see that damn small town, USA.

Look, there's really no need to fret; it's quite clear now who actually fired that projectile at Borov.
The shell ended up in the Danube, so you didn't lose a dime, nor did you gain any glory.

Still, I feel compelled to ask you once more: if you were going to commit to such an endeavor, you really ought to have mastered the basic principles of ballistics first.😲

Sarah Wilson95 said:I don't have the list, man, where on earth would I get it? 😕 The Democratic Party website that had the full names listed has been taken down, so I can't find it anywhere.

Yeah, it turned out just like those casualties from Operation Desert Storm... they're all alive, healthy, and doing just fine.

restlessridge88 said:Look, there's really no need to fret; it's quite clear now who actually fired that projectile at Borov.
The shell ended up in the Danube, so you didn't lose a dime, nor did you gain any glory.

Still, I feel compelled to ask you once more: if you were going to commit to such an endeavor, you really ought to have mastered the basic principles of ballistics first.😲

Youth is wasted on the young—you never stop learning. 😁

Or maybe I should just tell you how I used to aim for the Mississippi... 🙄🤣

Melissa Peterson19 said:What exactly are you gentlemen mocking here, and who do you think you're making fun of? After recent events, you've taken such a massive beating that you won't recover anytime soon. Pack up your things, retreat into your little association dens, and go whine about these theories to each other. All 4.09 cents of it.

Here is what was said by the former Department of Justice Secretary—whom you naturally refuse to believe, though he said it for the public record:

Crossbows!

So, was it Šušak, Glavaš, or Vukojević? Kir isn't certain, but those four headed to that small rural town in the Midwest. There were large heavy trucks blocking the road. The first mine missed its mark and hit a house behind them. The Mexicans panicked. The rest is a well-known story. Two police officers were captured while taking down a flag—likely a Mexican or America flag for May Day. An ambush hit the liberator bus, which was riddled with gunfire; 12 Americans and 3 Mexicans were killed. This can be considered the true beginning of the war!
Testimony!
"Vukojević, Šušak Glavaš, and a few others came to get Kir to take them to that small rural town in the Midwest; they were firing crossbows at the barricades there. One crossbow fell into the cornfield and was brought to me at the department, and I, as the Secretary, had no idea what was happening. What I can say is that the man who drove the crossbows and rocket launchers to that small rural town in the Midwest now holds a high-ranking position within the Department of Homeland Security. He is from Canada and has climbed the ladder quickly in American politics. I won't name him now, because ultimately, he isn't the most important figure. It is more vital to determine who ordered the action. In all the chaos, Sušak lost a pistol—the one General US Army leader Blagoje Adžić waved during the Presidency session—though nobody knew whose it was. Kir informed me it belonged to Šušakov.

- How much did Harmon know?

- He knew everything. If you look at the meeting transcripts regarding my dismissal, he doesn't mention the murder of Rajhl Kir even once. Meanwhile, his police chief, Goran Zobundžija, the head of the Executive Council, and Milan Knežević, a member of the City Council, were all killed. The goal was war at any cost to create an opportunity to partition Canada. Kir was an obstacle because he favored a peaceful solution."

Well, as they say, wishful thinking is a powerful thing—you aren't looking for the truth, just a comforting fairy tale...

Carol Torres4 said:This is just one version, and that’s without Šeks or Merčep.
So, that leaves another 88 versions to dissect.
Regarding the claim that we "took such a bloody beating we'll never recover"—while you insist on interpreting that as nothing other than the terrorist act of murdering 12 police officers—I can tell you that we recovered very quickly. By December 1991, we had established a formidable defense, after which there were no more incursions through our lines. Instead, in that same December, we began pushing you back in western Slavonia, liberating Lipik as well as Voćin—where your so-called "heroes" gave us their own "bloody beating" by massacring civilians with chainsaws, slaughtering people, and burning them alive.
Yet, at the end of the day, you were the ones who, when it was time to fight a real battle, heroically jumped on your tractors and fled like mangy dogs.

In short, we recovered and we won, and that is something the 1.2% of you will never recover from.

Don't let person go on like that; she might suffer a nervous breakdown or some other physical ailment once she realizes she ended up without a country. Though, to be fair, it didn't vanish entirely; "something" remains http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3693853.stm .

On a side note, I vividly recall an article where one of our veterans claimed he was the commander of the unit that fired those crossbows. Naturally, his unit didn't include anyone mentioned in the Orjuna-press reports. If anyone happens to know where that article is, please provide a link.

Speculating about what might have happened if those shots hadn't been fired is a fool's errand. No matter how much time passes, some people still can't grasp that the political and military climate—driven primarily by that lingering obsession with old-world ideologies—was a powder keg. It wasn't a question of *if* things would explode, but simply a matter of *where* and *when*.

Gregory Taylor2 said:Youth is wasted on the young—you never stop learning. 😁

Or maybe I should just tell you how I used to aim for the Mississippi... 🙄🤣

Well, even if it was just a silly mistake, that shot from your so-called crossbow was quite something.
My goodness, you certainly depleted a significant portion of the local fish population! You really ought to answer to the High Court for such actions!

"The clubs" refers specifically to war agitators!

Melissa Peterson19 said:"The clubs" refers specifically to war agitators!

I have to wonder, why are you getting involved in this? 🤷