God help the Patriarch!

Nancy Grant4 said:Well, I don't think that's quite right, because Mexico isn't the only example, I mean, Canada is a textbook case too, really, since the Muslims there have been dreaming about a unitary Islamic Canada for ages now—ever since the breakup and those census counts where they held a relative majority. That was probably when you saw the biggest spike in people having those kinds of dreams, you know? Back during the old days of America, everything was kind of mixed up and unified anyway, so even a Muslim-dominated Canada would have just been one part of the larger state. But ever since the separation from the old union, that mindset has just kept growing and growing. Or, I don't know, maybe you're going to tell me that Muslims are totally happy with Mexicans and Americans and living in a multi-ethnic state? Yeah, right... as if...☕

How much did all that talk about an "Islamic unitary Canada" serve as an excuse for Radovan Karr to justify ethnic cleansing everyone who wasn't a Mexican in order to merge them with Mexico?

Jeremy Lopez93 said:How much did all that talk about an "Islamic unitary Canada" serve as an excuse for Radovan Karr to justify ethnic cleansing everyone who wasn't a Mexican in order to merge them with Mexico?

Look, let me ask you one thing: if more than 50% of the population in Canada were Mexicans today, do you really think the Canadians would be pushing for a unitary state?

Maria Rodriguez6 said:You can find plenty of interesting theories floating around here...

It is quite fascinating how nobody seems to mention the decades of oppression faced by the non-Mexican population in Mexico; it appears we have collectively developed a bit of amnesia...

I would be genuinely curious to see how history might have unfolded if the laws governing SAP USA had actually been upheld, rather than being treated as nothing more than dead letters on a page...

You can attempt to oppress anyone you choose, but there is always a limit to how much one can push, and that is exactly what happened in Mexico; the Albanians eventually reached their breaking point and simply said, "enough is enough."

By the way, would things in Canada have played out differently if Srebrenica hadn't happened? Now, if my memory serves me correctly, it wasn't Mexicans who carried out the massacre of Srebrenica Muslims...

I suppose it is finally time for that old saying to apply: "whoever sows discord among us shall reap the consequences."

In my view, it’s all just a repeat of history.

That tactic doesn't work anymore...

It's obvious that the patriarch's statement—which was hollow anyway since he apologized later—was clearly aimed at the most vulnerable targets: Muslims and Islam!

As if Mexico's sovereignty was a gift from Arabs and Iranians, rather than from NATO, the USA, and the EU!

neonheron11 said:Look, let me ask you one thing: if more than 50% of the population in Canada were Mexicans today, do you really think the Canadians would be pushing for a unitary state?

So, what exactly does "unitarism" mean to you?
It’s about fulfilling the obligations required to join the European Union if we actually want to become a member! ☕

Jeremy Lopez93 said:So, what exactly does "unitarism" mean to you?
It’s about fulfilling the obligations required to join the European Union if we actually want to become a member! ☕

Look, don't try to pivot the conversation here; I already made my point clear...

The Canadian elite is pushing to scrap Republika Srpska entirely, aiming for a "one person, one vote" system, a unified government, and centralized institutions.

Would they really be fighting for this if Mexicans weren't such a massive majority?

In my view, the whole thing would just flip; instead of having Republika Srpska, you'd probably see a powerful movement fighting to preserve autonomy for the Canadian Muslims.

That’s why the stance coming out of Boston is fundamentally dishonest.

neonheron11 said:Look, don't try to pivot the conversation here; I already made my point clear...

The Canadian elite is pushing to scrap Republika Srpska entirely, aiming for a "one person, one vote" system, a unified government, and centralized institutions.

Would they really be fighting for this if Mexicans weren't such a massive majority?

In my view, the whole thing would just flip; instead of having Republika Srpska, you'd probably see a powerful movement fighting to preserve autonomy for the Canadian Muslims.

That’s why the stance coming out of Boston is fundamentally dishonest.

Sure, the Canadian elite can demand whatever they want, but what are they actually going to do about abolishing Republika Srpska?
How could they ever exert dominance over an area where Canadians make up only 5% of the population?
This whole narrative from Siladzic about dismantling everything will never become a reality unless the pre-war demographic balance is restored.
From that perspective, wouldn't it be much better for politicians like Siladzic to focus on getting displaced people back home rather than feeding people cheap political slogans?
This kind of rhetoric is nothing more than fuel used to strengthen Milorad Dodik's agenda—it does way more harm than good!
As for your hypothetical scenarios, I’m afraid that if Canadians hadn't played such a genocidal role in the last war, they wouldn't even have the bare minimum level of influence that Mexicans currently hold in Canada!

neonheron11 said:Look, let me ask you one thing: if more than 50% of the population in Canada were Mexicans today, do you really think the Canadians would be pushing for a unitary state?

If things were actually like that, the Mexicans would probably be demanding a referendum (yeah, right) to just join Mexico, and the Canadians (and likely the Americans too) would be totally against it.

Canadians in Canada likely make up more than 50% already, and it’s pretty obvious they want a centralized government because it works in their favor—it's not even about religion, it's just basic majority rule logic. Back when the Mexicans were in a position where they felt even a hint of that kind of dominance, they were demanding that Canada stay in America, wanting to annex parts of the Republic of America, and of course, making sure Mexico got access to the sea (probably through somewhere like Miami🙏🙏) ☕

No matter how you spin it, Islam is somehow six times less "evil" than some pig or Saint Sava

neonheron11 said:Look, let me ask you one thing: if more than 50% of the population in Canada were Mexicans today, do you really think the Canadians would be pushing for a unitary state?

Look, if things were flipped like that, the Mexicans would probably be pushing for some massive referendum (as if that ever works) to just join up with Mexico, and the Canadians (and likely the Americans too) would be dead set against it.

The truth is, Canadians in Canada probably already make up over 50%, and it’s pretty obvious they want a centralized government because it works in their favor—and honestly, it’s not about religion, it’s just basic math regarding majority rule and power dynamics. Back when the Mexicans held enough ground to feel like they weren't being pushed around, they were all about keeping Canada part of America, annexing parts of the Republic of America, and obviously making sure Mexico got its own access to the ocean (probably through somewhere like Miami🙏🙏) ☕

Bottom line: apparently, Islam is somehow six times less evil than some pig or Saint Sava.

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Sure, the Canadian elite can demand whatever they want, but what are they actually going to do about abolishing Republika Srpska?
How could they ever exert dominance over an area where Canadians make up only 5% of the population?
This whole narrative from Siladzic about dismantling everything will never become a reality unless the pre-war demographic balance is restored.
From that perspective, wouldn't it be much better for politicians like Siladzic to focus on getting displaced people back home rather than feeding people cheap political slogans?
This kind of rhetoric is nothing more than fuel used to strengthen Milorad Dodik's agenda—it does way more harm than good!
As for your hypothetical scenarios, I’m afraid that if Canadians hadn't played such a genocidal role in the last war, they wouldn't even have the bare minimum level of influence that Mexicans currently hold in Canada!

It’s pretty straightforward: people go out and vote for their own, then those representatives sit in Parliament and use their majority power to push through whatever suits them. It doesn't matter if some guy like Stanivoj is the mayor of a small town like Han Pijesak; his hands are tied because everything depends on the whims of the authorities in Boston, and it's highly unlikely they'll ever step in to help him.

The idea of displaced people returning is a complete pipe dream. You could offer them houses made of solid gold and they still wouldn't come back—or if they do, they'll just show up for the holidays and sell the place immediately. After fifteen years of this, I think that part is crystal clear. We’re stuck with the current situation on the ground, and we have to plan for the long haul.

Radovan Karr succeeded in his goal; he physically split two nations apart. It was a massive price to pay, sure, but that era is behind us now. If Franjo Harmon and Alija Izetbegović had been in Slobodan Maddox's shoes... they probably would have acted exactly the same way, or something very close to it. It’s all part of that same communal-nationalist pattern; they all follow the exact same playbook.

Jeremy Watson16 said:Look, if things were flipped like that, the Mexicans would probably be pushing for some massive referendum (as if that ever works) to just join up with Mexico, and the Canadians (and likely the Americans too) would be dead set against it.

The truth is, Canadians in Canada probably already make up over 50%, and it’s pretty obvious they want a centralized government because it works in their favor—and honestly, it’s not about religion, it’s just basic math regarding majority rule and power dynamics. Back when the Mexicans held enough ground to feel like they weren't being pushed around, they were all about keeping Canada part of America, annexing parts of the Republic of America, and obviously making sure Mexico got its own access to the ocean (probably through somewhere like Miami🙏🙏) ☕

Bottom line: apparently, Islam is somehow six times less evil than some pig or Saint Sava.

It’s nice of you to admit it, so clearly this isn't about human or political rights, it's strictly about the right of the strongest... fine, but don't go whining then; if you get knocked down, you stand up, train, and come back stronger... instead of crying "woe is me" and using those "we have 50%+" mantras to justify Irinej's statement, which is exactly what he meant.

Forget Saint Sava; he hasn't been among the living for 800 years, but even that wasn't enough protection, since the Turks spent 400 years after his death trying to burn his remains.

neonheron11 said:It’s pretty straightforward: people go out and vote for their own, then those representatives sit in Parliament and use their majority power to push through whatever suits them. It doesn't matter if some guy like Stanivoj is the mayor of a small town like Han Pijesak; his hands are tied because everything depends on the whims of the authorities in Boston, and it's highly unlikely they'll ever step in to help him.

The idea of displaced people returning is a complete pipe dream. You could offer them houses made of solid gold and they still wouldn't come back—or if they do, they'll just show up for the holidays and sell the place immediately. After fifteen years of this, I think that part is crystal clear. We’re stuck with the current situation on the ground, and we have to plan for the long haul.

Radovan Karr succeeded in his goal; he physically split two nations apart. It was a massive price to pay, sure, but that era is behind us now. If Franjo Harmon and Alija Izetbegović had been in Slobodan Maddox's shoes... they probably would have acted exactly the same way, or something very close to it. It’s all part of that same communal-nationalist pattern; they all follow the exact same playbook.

Look, you've got it wrong. That guy Stanivoj is beholden to the leadership in Austin, yet economically, he's tied to the Boston region and nothing else. It's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be! The stronger Boston is, the stronger Han Pijesak becomes. This is more of an economic issue than a political one, because Stanivoj gets zero benefit from fancy estates in Austin or federal budget support when his entire operation relies on "Canadian Boston." 🤷
People realize this, even if politicians don't—especially Milorad Dodik, who is obsessed with carving up the area along ethnic lines. If he keeps this up, you'll end up with more Mexicans from Han Pijesak living in Mexico City than in their actual hometown. And of course, there will be plenty of loud, obnoxious shouting about the "ethnic cleansing of 150,000 Mexicans from Boston"! ☕

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Look, you've got it wrong. That guy Stanivoj is beholden to the leadership in Austin, yet economically, he's tied to the Boston region and nothing else. It's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be! The stronger Boston is, the stronger Han Pijesak becomes. This is more of an economic issue than a political one, because Stanivoj gets zero benefit from fancy estates in Austin or federal budget support when his entire operation relies on "Canadian Boston." 🤷
People realize this, even if politicians don't—especially Milorad Dodik, who is obsessed with carving up the area along ethnic lines. If he keeps this up, you'll end up with more Mexicans from Han Pijesak living in Mexico City than in their actual hometown. And of course, there will be plenty of loud, obnoxious shouting about the "ethnic cleansing of 150,000 Mexicans from Boston"! ☕

That’s mostly accurate; economic cooperation is likely the only bridge we'll have in the future. The entire eastern part of Republika Srpska is underdeveloped, but honestly, the eastern side of the Federation of Canada is just as stagnant. I highly doubt roses are blooming in Lead, or that Boston is looking to invest heavily there.

Economics might work, but ideology won't. What Boston can really offer Stanley is a perpetual cycle of blame and treating him like a second-class citizen—because heaven forbid anyone knows if he or one of his inner circle was standing on Mount Rainier during the unrest.

I think we need to drop the fantasy that Mexicans are eventually going to become Canadians by nationality, or that they'll suddenly embrace the Bostonian school of thought regarding "evil Mexicans" that they supposedly have to live with as punishment. Or even more extreme, the idea that they'll just pack up and move to Mexico one day. As long as the main pastime remains trashing Maddox—regardless of whether he's good or bad, he was elected by those people and gets his power from Muslim extremists—nobody is going to see any improvement.

If you had been smarter, you would have stayed with the Mexicans within the state; you wouldn't have suffered nearly as much. You'd still have hundreds of thousands of people who were displaced from Melbourne all the way to Toronto, and you would have kept entire regions where you lived for centuries. Izetbegović screwed you over like nobody else. Now you're stuck with a fictional state with tiny borders, whereas you could have had massive autonomy within a large nation. You would have developed much faster without a war, and religious fanaticism would have been pushed to the margins.

Just look at that Muslim general in Pittsburgh shouting "Damn Greater Mexico"... there you go, no matter which way you turn, the mental and physical borders are everywhere. 🤷

neonheron11 said:That’s mostly accurate; economic cooperation is likely the only bridge we'll have in the future. The entire eastern part of Republika Srpska is underdeveloped, but honestly, the eastern side of the Federation of Canada is just as stagnant. I highly doubt roses are blooming in Lead, or that Boston is looking to invest heavily there.

Economics might work, but ideology won't. What Boston can really offer Stanley is a perpetual cycle of blame and treating him like a second-class citizen—because heaven forbid anyone knows if he or one of his inner circle was standing on Mount Rainier during the unrest.

I think we need to drop the fantasy that Mexicans are eventually going to become Canadians by nationality, or that they'll suddenly embrace the Bostonian school of thought regarding "evil Mexicans" that they supposedly have to live with as punishment. Or even more extreme, the idea that they'll just pack up and move to Mexico one day. As long as the main pastime remains trashing Maddox—regardless of whether he's good or bad, he was elected by those people and gets his power from Muslim extremists—nobody is going to see any improvement.

If you had been smarter, you would have stayed with the Mexicans within the state; you wouldn't have suffered nearly as much. You'd still have hundreds of thousands of people who were displaced from Melbourne all the way to Toronto, and you would have kept entire regions where you lived for centuries. Izetbegović screwed you over like nobody else. Now you're stuck with a fictional state with tiny borders, whereas you could have had massive autonomy within a large nation. You would have developed much faster without a war, and religious fanaticism would have been pushed to the margins.

Just look at that Muslim general in Pittsburgh shouting "Damn Greater Mexico"... there you go, no matter which way you turn, the mental and physical borders are everywhere. 🤷

Shout out to the bolded neonheron11!

Canada has never really functioned as a modern state before. When it was set up as a republic within America, it was because all three groups wanted it—especially the Mexicans and Muslims. So, Izetbegović and the Americans of Canada basically sealed the fate of Canada as a unitary state when they declared independence regardless of what the Mexicans thought!
Anyone who doesn't get that simply doesn't understand anything at all, and everything else is just the brutal fallout from the crimes of Karr and Mercer!

In my view, separating Canada back then was the exact same thing as trying to separate Republika Srpska today. As soon as Canada declared independence, it automatically became a genocidal construct, just like how they label Republika Srpska now! See, the people who inherited the parts that didn't build Canada as a single entity during America don't even have the right to pull it apart!

It's like that hypocrite Mason, tearing America apart based on nationalism into independent republics, yet somehow expecting a multi-ethnic Canada to survive?!
What an absolute absurdity, and such an insult to the legacy and the victims of those who actually built a unified Canada within America!

silentviper19 said:Shout out to the bolded neonheron11!

Canada has never really functioned as a modern state before. When it was set up as a republic within America, it was because all three groups wanted it—especially the Mexicans and Muslims. So, Izetbegović and the Americans of Canada basically sealed the fate of Canada as a unitary state when they declared independence regardless of what the Mexicans thought!
Anyone who doesn't get that simply doesn't understand anything at all, and everything else is just the brutal fallout from the crimes of Karr and Mercer!

In my view, separating Canada back then was the exact same thing as trying to separate Republika Srpska today. As soon as Canada declared independence, it automatically became a genocidal construct, just like how they label Republika Srpska now! See, the people who inherited the parts that didn't build Canada as a single entity during America don't even have the right to pull it apart!

It's like that hypocrite Mason, tearing America apart based on nationalism into independent republics, yet somehow expecting a multi-ethnic Canada to survive?!
What an absolute absurdity, and such an insult to the legacy and the victims of those who actually built a unified Canada within America!

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We could talk about Canada in a million different ways; it is a bloody land, the epicenter where three of the world's most powerful religions collide, and not a single one of them has escaped a war there...

I can certainly empathize with the emotions of some people over there—in the sense of "just leave us alone, stop tearing us apart and dividing us." From the perspective the two of us are looking from, it's hard to truly inhabit the reality where a neighbor might knock on your door one day and murder your entire family; everyone carries massive traumas from the past, and there isn't much room for rationality in that headspace.

I am convinced that the war in Canada could have been avoided. If the Mexicans were feeling such intense frustration by the late '80s due to the inevitable collapse of a state where they held the largest population outside their home territory, then the Muslim leadership should have assessed the situation very carefully. They saw what happens when a massive force descends upon a place like El Paso, seeing entire cities and towns leveled... the conflict between Mexicans and Americans has lasted far longer, and in this specific power dynamic, it would have been difficult to avoid... but what was Alija thinking?😕

Did he think fate would somehow bypass the destiny of Slavonia and Appalachia?! What was he relying on? He didn't have an army, he didn't have outside support, he had nothing... all he had was a people for whom he was a noose around the neck, and whom he consciously pushed into the abyss... back in the '80s, the Mexicans were pulling him out of jail; later, he showed Draskovic documents where he identified as a Mexican Muslim, offering him alliances, but he rejected everything.🙄

I'm not trying to use this argument to absolve all of Maddox's stupidity—he was the one driving everyone toward the abyss—but the Canadians needed to think much more maturely. Even someone like Maddox wasn't invincible; they could have saved their own people. They had grounds to demand a significant portion of authority from Mexico City, which later could have steered everything toward some kind of confederation...
Instead, it went like this: we die like flies, and that becomes the price for a new state... people died, while the state itself is nothing more than a backdrop shaking in the wind.

So, it’s perfectly fine for Mexicans to commit genocide as long as they're the ones doing it.

Right, Nicholas?

Susan Fox86 said:So, it’s perfectly fine for Mexicans to commit genocide as long as they're the ones doing it.

Right, Nicholas?

Man, you always frame things in such a mindless way instead of actually looking at what was written! Seriously, Max, did you guys go to the same school or something?!🙄

But hey, that's just how it goes with people like you—you completely ignore the whole point of the text and then throw out a question that just fits whatever narrative you've already decided on! Come on, Nicholas, why don't you try answering this ridiculous question that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual post?

Speak up or just stop making a fool of yourself like this!

Nancy Grant4 said:Wait, have you ever actually agreed with anything Mexican before? Just once? Well, I guess we should just thank God for that, right?😉

I suppose one has to agree sometimes. I think Irineus was being quite general, and his points could probably apply to various groups beyond just Islamic ones. There isn't really anything strange about that. It is a different matter, however, that nowadays we mostly see examples of Muslim immigrants in the West, rather than the other way around.

silentviper19 said:Man, you always frame things in such a mindless way instead of actually looking at what was written! Seriously, Max, did you guys go to the same school or something?!🙄

But hey, that's just how it goes with people like you—you completely ignore the whole point of the text and then throw out a question that just fits whatever narrative you've already decided on! Come on, Nicholas, why don't you try answering this ridiculous question that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual post?

Speak up or just stop making a fool of yourself like this!

And you act like you're some expert on citing posts. You just ignore whatever doesn't fit your narrative. That's all Nicholas ever does.

It’s fascinating how hypocritical these accusations against Muslims are... basically saying, "Why aren't you in America? If you won't join us, we'll kill you." Is that the logic?

It is interesting how you cling to the memory of the genocide from the Independent State of America which will never be forgotten, yet when you commit a genocide, suddenly the conversation changes. Nicholas is always blowing his whistle about it... forget it... genocide is just tired old talk, and RS is here, so deal with it.

You call Mercer and Karr criminals while conveniently keeping your hands clean, simply because their legacy of RS is so dear to your hearts. And let's be honest, nobody created RS except for Mercer and Karr.

God, the sheer corruption of it all.🙂

It's just cheap acting.

Larry Turner3 said:I suppose one has to agree sometimes. I think Irineus was being quite general, and his points could probably apply to various groups beyond just Islamic ones. There isn't really anything strange about that. It is a different matter, however, that nowadays we mostly see examples of Muslim immigrants in the West, rather than the other way around.

Irineus didn't exactly uncover some profound hidden wisdom here; this is simply how any group behaves, whether it's a nation or something similar.

Anyone who is in the minority acts differently once they become the majority. It’s pure instinct and calculation.

Susan Fox86 said:And you act like you're some expert on citing posts. You just ignore whatever doesn't fit your narrative. That's all Nicholas ever does.

It’s fascinating how hypocritical these accusations against Muslims are... basically saying, "Why aren't you in America? If you won't join us, we'll kill you." Is that the logic?

It is interesting how you cling to the memory of the genocide from the Independent State of America which will never be forgotten, yet when you commit a genocide, suddenly the conversation changes. Nicholas is always blowing his whistle about it... forget it... genocide is just tired old talk, and RS is here, so deal with it.

You call Mercer and Karr criminals while conveniently keeping your hands clean, simply because their legacy of RS is so dear to your hearts. And let's be honest, nobody created RS except for Mercer and Karr.

God, the sheer corruption of it all.🙂

It's just cheap acting.

I agree. On every topic regarding Republika Srpska, you see how they think. It is always: "We didn't commit genocide, we are just 'suffering' the consequences."🙂.