Banned from the Alternative community???

Austin Baker86 said:What irritates me is that 90% of the users there consider themselves exceptionally brilliant and capable of "thinking outside the box," yet the moderators have engineered a climate perfectly designed to nurture those exact delusions. Any bit of rational advice is mocked and branded as an "inquisition." Paradoxically, the very people shouting about inquisitions are the ones conducting them, all while blowing their own trumpets over pretentious, "open-minded" nonsense that makes me sick.

Every single bit of sensible advice gets shut down and labeled as some kind of "inquisition"—which is hilarious, really—because the people screaming loudest about the Inquisition are actually the ones running it. Meanwhile, they’re busy blowing their own horns about being all "open-minded" and progressive... honestly, the whole pretentious act just makes me sick.

Melissa Watson4 said:So that's it then??? There's no more Alternative for me (us)??? 🤔

Then you might as well just close my thread, since there's nobody left to lead it...

Melissa Watson4, Chris Lopez59, Paul Chavez, Joseph White5 [/B]
The ban on accessing Alternative regarding you four and three other forum members concerns analyses of current military and political events based on their alleged connection to the Book of Revelation. The core thesis of the main ideological defender of these military analyses is that World War III and the subsequent apocalypse is a desirable event for humanity, because it represents a solid and eagerly awaited guarantee of the return of Jesus.

Regarding that part... is it forbidden to hold such an opinion??? I mean, having it connected to the Book of Revelation???

And the idea that WW3 is desirable is nonsense... but WW3 will happen, and that is a fact regardless of prophecies... maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in 20 or 50 years, but it will happen, and I don't know why it bothers you to talk about it???

dustyharbor18 said:I guess it would be interesting to know where this kind of confidence comes from? I can certainly close the thread since Melissa Watson4 🤣
is gone and there's nobody else to lead it. 😂

My final conclusion—after having a decent talk with electricangler22 (who was also banned), who is actually a reasonable person—his ban has been lifted.

Just so people don't keep making wild accusations about me censoring anyone I disagree with. electricangler22 isn't even on my side, but he is a sane individual.
The weird conspiracy theorists haven't even come forward here to complain.
That leaves us with the trolls—who are apparently too dim to understand the topics they participate in or even the posts of their own interlocutors, which is why they'll never stop being trolls.
Thanks for your time. Goodbye.

My final takeaway—after a decent conversation with electricangler22 (who was also banned), a reasonable person—is that his ban has been lifted.

steelskipper5 said:Hani, you have never once sanctioned my trolling. They're still right there on the threads about the Illuminati. It's just that they aren't any stupider than the rest of the posts, so maybe you can't even recognize them as trolling anymore.
My clear, straightforward, on-topic questions—even if they lacked arguments (but hey, included some insults later)—got labeled as trolling. Just because you didn't like them, I guess.

Look, you don't have to admit anything to me or the forum. Go ahead, keep covering your ears and screaming LALALALALALALA!
No big deal.
Just keep pushing the narrative that the problem lies with me—or with whatever other user you feel like targeting.
The truth is—and it's pretty obvious here—that the Alternative crowd stinks to high heaven, and you moderators all seem to be dodging very specific questions and concerns. By using these massive, biased bans and selectively picking sides in an argument, you're basically just proving that you're all just covering your ears and shouting LALALALALALALALA!

Chris Lopez59 said:Maybe it’s just because the whole thing is built on nothing but trolling and straight-up insults. Seriously, just take a look at the introduction.

Look, if you're going to call someone out, you actually need to bring some real arguments to the table to show why their facts don't hold water; otherwise, you're just trolling, and honestly, nobody has the patience for that.

Look, nobody on this forum ever claimed they cured their cancer just by staring at the sun. What you’re actually bringing up comes from Hira Ratan Manek, an Indian practitioner who was scientifically observed over extended periods while he wasn't consuming any food at all. That alone gives the guy enough credibility to float his philosophy about sun-gazing. People have been discussing this on Alternative for ages, and honestly, citing Manek is an argument in itself. Your whole line of reasoning—that it's "scientifically impossible" to live off sunlight—is completely nonsensical. I mean, strictly speaking, it’s also scientifically "impossible" for a human to survive that long without eating, yet it’s been empirically demonstrated. So, what’s the actual takeaway here? It's pretty simple: science is currently just lacking sufficient knowledge. To lean on the argument that "if it isn't scientifically proven, it can't happen" is just pure nonsense because science isn't some finished, static collection of truths; it's a work in progress. Just because we haven't uncovered the scientific mechanism behind a possibility doesn't mean that possibility doesn't exist—science isn't a closed book. We don't even fully grasp the complex functions of our own organs yet, which says a lot about how much we still have to learn. Honestly, there are plenty of people out there who just wrap their own deep-seated biases in a lab coat and pretend they're presenting a purely scientific viewpoint. Yeah, right. 🙂 Honestly, those kinds of takes are fundamentally unserious when you look at them through any kind of scientific lens

But when people start attacking others by saying stuff like, "You belong in jail, you're telling people to stare at the sun and they might go blind," without even bothering to mention what was actually advised—let alone providing any actual context—that’s nothing more than pure trolling. It’s also pretty obvious when someone is just being insulting. If I were running the show as a mod, believe me, I’d be sanctioning intros like yours; I’d insist on nothing but civil communication rather than this passive-aggressive disrespect

Look, mods are human and they screw up sometimes, but the real problem with this forum is the sense of untouchability surrounding certain mods. When a mod makes a mistake, they almost never get corrected; instead, their decisions are protected and justified, no matter how biased or completely flawed they actually are.

Nicole Nelson77 said:And where exactly was this guy being scientifically "observed"?!

I saw a couple of photos where he was hanging out with some guys in white lab coats, so I guess that counts as proof?!

Where are these "empirical" proofs, anyway?!

Who's keeping them tucked away in a drawer... Sai baba, maybe?

I don't usually hang out in that subforum, but I did some reading after seeing this thread, and honestly, you can find all kinds of absolute nonsense over there.

There might be a bit of useful advice about medicinal herbs here and there, but the rest is just pure trash...☕

dustyharbor18 said:I guess it would be interesting to know where this kind of confidence comes from? I can certainly close the thread since Melissa Watson4 🤣
is gone and there's nobody else to lead it. 😂

My final conclusion—after having a decent talk with electricangler22 (who was also banned), who is actually a reasonable person—his ban has been lifted.

Just so people don't keep making wild accusations about me censoring anyone I disagree with. electricangler22 isn't even on my side, but he is a sane individual.
The weird conspiracy theorists haven't even come forward here to complain.
That leaves us with the trolls—who are apparently too dim to understand the topics they participate in or even the posts of their own interlocutors, which is why they'll never stop being trolls.
Thanks for your time. Goodbye.

dustyharbor18 said:I guess it would be interesting to know where this kind of confidence comes from? I can certainly close the thread since Melissa Watson4 🤣
is gone and there's nobody else to lead it. 😂

My final conclusion—after having a decent talk with electricangler22 (who was also banned), who is actually a reasonable person—his ban has been lifted.

Just so people don't keep making wild accusations about me censoring anyone I disagree with. electricangler22 isn't even on my side, but he is a sane individual.
The weird conspiracy theorists haven't even come forward here to complain.
That leaves us with the trolls—who are apparently too dim to understand the topics they participate in or even the posts of their own interlocutors, which is why they'll never stop being trolls.
Thanks for your time. Goodbye.

dustyharbor18 said:I guess it would be interesting to know where this kind of confidence comes from? I can certainly close the thread since Melissa Watson4 🤣
is gone and there's nobody else to lead it. 😂

My final conclusion—after having a decent talk with electricangler22 (who was also banned), who is actually a reasonable person—his ban has been lifted.

Just so people don't keep making wild accusations about me censoring anyone I disagree with. electricangler22 isn't even on my side, but he is a sane individual.
The weird conspiracy theorists haven't even come forward here to complain.
That leaves us with the trolls—who are apparently too dim to understand the topics they participate in or even the posts of their own interlocutors, which is why they'll never stop being trolls.
Thanks for your time. Goodbye.

Noah Myers8 said:I'm basically only a mod when I'm in recovery mode, as you know.

steelskipper5 said:And honestly, that doesn't change the fact that I'm right one bit. ☕

Chris Lopez59 said:Of course it changes things, because if she wasn't even moderating other subreddits besides the medical ones, there's no way she could have banned those troll posts you're whining about.

steelskipper5 said:"Almost exclusively" is not the same thing as "exclusively." ☕
The authority is there. The real issue is how they choose to use it selectively—but I feel like I've already gone on enough about that anyway.

Joseph Watson3 said:I think the Alternative subforum is perfectly fine just the way it is—no need to mess with it.

Every forum needs a dedicated corner where ego-maniacs of all stripes (the ones who claim to be wiser than mainstream doctors or more expert than actual scientists, etc.) can coddle their own mental excretions like they’re cradling a newborn—one, naturally, birthed solely by the grace of their "open minds" (tm).

Honestly, it’s great for the hygiene of the rest of the site. The moderators should just let them be, letting them admire their precious little brown babies in peace while proudly showing them off to the audience. From what I can tell, the Alternative section is moderated by the perfect people for the job—folks who clearly understand that kind of maternal love on a personal level.

The thing is, I don't get this concept of partial banning from the Alternative section. If we're doing this, wouldn't it make more sense to partially ban deserving forum members from every single subforum except Alternative, rather than doing it this way?

Chris Lopez59 said:It really just comes down to whatever deal the mods have struck behind the scenes. If they’ve agreed to stay out of each other's hair and respect certain territories, then that's how it plays out.

steelskipper5 said:Yeah, obviously. So what, I'm in the middle of a heated debate with one moderator on a thread, everything's going fine, and then suddenly Noah Myers8 swoops in and hands me a strike? Makes total sense.

You're really trying to lecture me here... ☕

dustyharbor18 said:🤣
Forgive my poor grammar—but this might be the smartest thing anyone has said in this thread. 😂