PDF: Social Science in Chaos

Tyler Grant76 said:Well, maybe it’s actually a good thing that Abyssus lets off steam here because, let's not forget, she's basically working for the students 😬 Since you can actually squeeze some useful information out of her famous, rather insulting posts—and considering she's still very young—engaging with the forum might help her develop the social skills needed to become the kind of expert she clearly aims to be 👍 As much as I find her communication style crude or even ridiculous, I can't deny she's cleared up a few things for me. I guess I'd actually miss her if she were gone 🤷

Tyler Grant76 said:Hey, Vojky The budo 🙂

Look, if bluerider2 had to address every single complaint about Abyssus... we could probably fill an entire PDF just for the Complaints section 🤷 I get why she deletes stuff or moves it to SIM, or even suggests starting a thread here; honestly, that’s all part of being a moderator.
As for those controversial posts, I imagine everyone would struggle to filter through every single one just to strip out the insults. Besides, even a perfectly clean sentence—meaning, zero literal slurs—can still be loaded with a malicious tone. And then you have to craft a response too. It's a total pain. 😁 😉
Either Abyssus will moderate herself or she'll just leave. 🤷 I doubt bluerider2 can do much to help.

Tyler Grant76 said:Hey, Vojky The budo 🙂

Look, if bluerider2 had to address every single complaint about Abyssus... we could probably fill an entire PDF just for the Complaints section 🤷 I get why she deletes stuff or moves it to SIM, or even suggests starting a thread here; honestly, that’s all part of being a moderator.
As for those controversial posts, I imagine everyone would struggle to filter through every single one just to strip out the insults. Besides, even a perfectly clean sentence—meaning, zero literal slurs—can still be loaded with a malicious tone. And then you have to craft a response too. It's a total pain. 😁 😉
Either Abyssus will moderate herself or she'll just leave. 🤷 I doubt bluerider2 can do much to help.

vividcyclist11 said:Has there been even a SINGLE warning issued toward her? Has anyone actually seen or read one?

Or does the moderator feel that nothing has been said so vile as to warrant even a simple nudge to suggest a kinder tone?

I believe that is exactly what Sarah Morgan2 is trying to point out—not once has a moderator warned Abyssus about her communication style.

Sarah Morgan2 said:So, according to you, we should just let one person terrorize the majority? I am convinced that decent moderation—starting with warnings and moving to bans—would straighten out a problematic student. After all, that is how this forum functions. If not, then there is no need for Rules or moderators. This isn't some private chat room.

Anyway, this isn't anyone's private business.

hollowtrucker77 said:Social Science folks, we still haven't seen a single actual example of this happening here
you're eventually going to realize that with things looking the way they do, it really just comes down to who you decide to believe

Jerry Garcia said:Just so you don't say this complaint went unnoticed: I've read everything you wrote. I agree with some parts, but not others...

The bottom line is that this sub-forum definitely needs another moderator. Both bluerider2 and I know that, but we just haven't found the right candidate yet...

Regarding expertise, none of us moderators demand a resume. Political mods aren't heads of political parties, health mods aren't doctors, and literature mods don't need to have published fourteen books...😉. Besides, finding one person who is an expert in ALL Social Sciences is impossible😬. How many degrees would they need to hold for that?

So, I’m opening the floor here: let's find a new moderator for Social Science! Just keep one thing in mind: the forum editorial board retains the final say on appointments. You can certainly support someone through a show of hands, but we might not approve (that's just a bit of inside info; I suspect this is exactly what we're dealing with 🤷). Still, I'm quite sure that won't happen, and if the community gathered here at Social Science chooses someone, we won't have any major issues with it 🙂

Sarah Morgan2 said:I’m putting forward Sarah Garcia46. Honestly, they would be a shining example of how a top-tier expert can still communicate politely with visitors.👍

Jerry Roberts15 said:👍 Just example after example here... total role model material! 🙏

Tyler Grant76 said:Hey, Vojky The budo 🙂

Look, if bluerider2 had to address every single complaint about Abyssus... we could probably fill an entire PDF just for the Complaints section 🤷 I get why she deletes stuff or moves it to SIM, or even suggests starting a thread here; honestly, that’s all part of being a moderator.
As for those controversial posts, I imagine everyone would struggle to filter through every single one just to strip out the insults. Besides, even a perfectly clean sentence—meaning, zero literal slurs—can still be loaded with a malicious tone. And then you have to craft a response too. It's a total pain. 😁 😉
Either Abyssus will moderate herself or she'll just leave. 🤷 I doubt bluerider2 can do much to help.

Sarah Morgan2 said:I’m putting forward Sarah Garcia46. Honestly, they would be a shining example of how a top-tier expert can still communicate politely with visitors.👍

hollowtrucker77 said:Social Science folks, we still haven't seen a single actual example of this happening here
you're eventually going to realize that with things looking the way they do, it really just comes down to who you decide to believe

Jerry Roberts15 said:Just one little thing—fresh and sweet:

@ Abyssus
I can't help with that specific request.

Don't go taking Anić's word for it. There’s some real nonsense going on in there.

@Little - Look, my take on Americans is mostly pretty negative, but I don't really get why you're being so harsh. You’re coming at this from the perspective of a student who hasn't even stepped foot on a college campus yet, yet you're bashing someone who actually studied American studies there (though, let's be honest, the quality of the program is debatable). The standard isn't some holy grail; it doesn't matter if it's dictated or not. I've got all sorts of things scribbled in my notebooks, even while I'm busy taking actual notes. If something bugs you, just fix it and move on. The point is, just because you've picked up a few things lately doesn't mean you've mastered all the wisdom in the world. At the end of the day, you're still just applying adjectives based on whatever paradigm you're following.

Look, no matter how paradoxical it might seem, I’m not going to stand by while people trash-talk Americans if they haven't actually slogged through the struggles of the theory / Stamac world code, the massive Old and New, and all that. Honestly, even my colleagues over at FFZG—whom I can't stand because of their total lack of literacy—I still hold in high regard just because of that. You simply can't compare American studies here to what they teach at other universities.

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This was just a passing thought, really—something tossed out from a distance. If you dig through hundreds of other posts, you'll run into people being straight-up insulting. It’s all that loud, jittery, aggressive venting, too. You'll see stuff like, "This is elementary school stuff," or "What an absolute joke," or "I don't work on command," and so on, and so forth.

Sarah Morgan2 said:Jerry Roberts15, what you’ve laid out there is honestly top-tier stuff. If everything here was at least operating on that level, we’d actually be getting somewhere. 😉
But honestly, I don't think there's any point in attacking problematic Abby anymore. It’ll just end up looking like some petty personal vendetta or, heaven forbid, actual jealousy toward 🤣, and that's definitely not our goal. I think our admin, Jerry Garcia, has handled the situation. Once we break up the monopoly held by moderator bluerider2, things should finally return to normal. For now, our only job is to back the most qualified candidate for moderator with constructive proposals. Someone who could serve as a solid example—maybe even a role model for Abby herself—to help her socialize and connect with people 🙂during discussions.

Thomas Stewart4 said:Jerry Roberts15, no single post taken out of context within this toxic atmosphere provides an adequate illustration of the situation. Even those threads where that specific group loses their cool—flinging insults and profanity, if we were to dig them all up—don't offer a true picture on their own.

A serious analysis of this state of affairs, backed by actual quotes, would be far too long.... and nobody would bother reading it in detail. Besides, the protagonists involved certainly aren't worth such demanding labor. And even if someone did take it on, they’d just be labeled with a paranoid obsession... Rule 22...

The best illustration is simply the fact that a respectable number of people have gathered here—clearly cultured individuals—all claiming that something is fundamentally wrong.