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State of the healthcare system in America: Let's discuss why it's failing

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melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#601 ·
You totally misunderstood me. It’s not that my doctor ever refused to run a test or give me a prescription a specialist actually wrote—if she had done that, I would have lost it on her. My issue was just getting an appointment with a specialist in the first place because she wouldn't send me for any testing.

The woman figured out my thyroid was enlarged, asked me about it, and I just told her I didn't know—I hadn't noticed anything. So, she didn't bother sending me to get my hormone levels checked. It took six months for me to realize I had a thyroid problem, and that only happened because an immunologist finally caught that my thyroid was swollen and sent me for bloodwork.

I spent six months suffering for absolutely nothing because she wouldn't hand over one damn referral. Expecting a layperson like me to self-diagnose stuff like that is just ridiculous.

And don't even get me started on how I only saw that immunologist because my mom stepped in, took charge, and basically bullied my way into appointments. If I had just waited for this doctor to snap out of it, I'd still be waiting.

You can't have someone walk into your office, tell you their joints are aching and their fingers are turning blue and white, and then just send them off to check their white blood cell count and ESR. What the hell are you supposed to see from that? In the four years I've been dragging myself from doctor to doctor, my CBC comes back perfect every single time, yet my immune system is a total disaster.

Oh, and there's one more thing that drives me absolutely insane. Not one single doctor has actually sat down with me to explain what is going on. I've had to go online and hunt down what my own lab results actually mean. It’s pathetic that as a patient, I have to educate myself on my own illnesses by scouring the internet and digging through medical books.
Christian White3 Christian White3 Newcomer
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#602 ·
Nicholas Chavez70 said:Well, seeing as our insurance covers procedures like this, I’d say we actually have quite a solid system in place... It really makes me wonder, though, what kind of policy would cover these types of surgeries over in the States...

http://www.crotalk.com/modules/news/...p?storyid=1908

What, were they supposed to just let him die? 🤦
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#603 ·
To all those people who are so obsessed with praising the American system, I’d suggest you actually watch Michael Moor's documentary *Sicko* first. Then maybe we can have a real conversation about how things work over here.

It’s unbelievable—you’ve got people who survive a car wreck without decent health insurance, only to get kicked out onto the street two or three days after surgery. 😢 I honestly have to wonder if anyone actually wants a system like this. 🤷
frozenhawk0 frozenhawk0 Newcomer
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#604 ·
Regarding this article

Speaking from experience, some of this isn't even true. It says you wait 3 months for an MRI... but when I went to schedule a lumbar MRI back in month 12, the nurse told me there wasn't an opening for at least another 6 months...
Anyway... on that note—huge shoutout and thanks to that nurse. For no particular reason, she was suuuuper nice to me. Basically, when I showed her my EMNG results, she looked horrified and asked how old I was. Once I told her, she decided I was way too young for this and managed to squeeze me in for an MRI in just 3 weeks..

Also, yeah, if there's a doctor here willing to spare 5 minutes to explain an MRI result to me (I have zero clue what I'm looking at, and I've got a 2-month wait to see my orthopedic surgeon).. if such a person exists, please DM me.. Thanks a lot!!!
Maria Gomez4 Maria Gomez4 Member
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#605 ·
Kyle Lee7 said:Let me clarify my position here. It’s not that I’m specifically demanding a specialist just for the sake of it. The reality is that I’m managing some chronic conditions—specifically MS and asthma—that require regular check-ups and oversight from a specialist at set intervals. From a logical standpoint, if I'm seeing a specialist, they should be the ones able to issue my prescriptions. It makes zero sense that I have to loop back to my primary care physician just to get a script signed. Furthermore, if that same specialist tells me, "Come back in three months for a follow-up," I shouldn't have to run back to my GP just to schedule that appointment or get authorization. Why put patients through this unnecessary runaround? It feels like a lot of wasted movement.
What exactly is the point of having the internet if we can't use it to keep doctors connected? Instead of this constant back-and-forth walking around, why isn't everything streamlined digitally? It feels like the primary care physician is being relegated to nothing more than an administrator rather than a true medical provider.

True, they don't strictly need it—though they actually do, but let them pay their own way—just like people shouldn't be taking sick leave for a simple cold. Actually, when I really think about it, I wouldn't even want people with colds coming into the office and spreading viruses around. Working in that environment, I have my own chronic condition to manage, and every single virus someone brings in could seriously impact my health. So, maybe we should all consider asking people to just STAY HOME when they're dealing with viruses, strep throat, or the flu.
When it comes to medication, I feel like we’re seeing a real disconnect in how treatment is handled. Many patients living with MS should ideally be on something like interferon while they still have a genuine window of opportunity to slow down or even halt the progression of the disease, yet so few actually receive it. On the flip side, doctors are prescribing a mountain of different medications, half of which end up sitting in a trash can because they aren't right for the patient—all while people are left footing the bill. It’s a tough situation when you consider that many patients simply can't afford to shell out nearly $1,100 a month just for interferon.

What I mean is that until I hit my 30s, I was seeing a public gynecologist and was honestly pretty clueless about specific screenings. I used to think a Pap smear was plenty. When I finally decided to switch to a private specialist, I nearly had a heart attack when they asked if I’d done certain specific swabs—and I just sat there looking blank. You can carry a ton of infections without even knowing it, yet they can lead to infertility or cervical cancer. These screenings really should be the gold standard; I get them done once a year now, and I sleep much better for it. It feels like so many women only find out they’re carrying things like HPV or chlamydia once they actually get pregnant.

I go to psychotherapy. That’s one referral per month.
And for the record, I haven't taken a single sick day in eight years.
If I need to stay home for a couple of days because of a virus, they just deduct it from my vacation time, and that's that.

Like I said before, patients dealing with chronic illnesses are a bit more complicated. But just imagine if you were prescribed a medication for asthma that actually makes your MS worse?... what then? Well, in a functional system, the family doctor steps in to figure out the best path forward.
Look, a huge portion of Americans only have a basic education, maybe some high school, but certainly nothing advanced. Many people simply aren't equipped to connect how their various health issues interact. They get lost in a sea of different medications!

Here’s an example: someone has a heart condition, so their cardiologist puts them on something like a beta blocker. Then they see a pulmonologist for asthma, and that specialist realizes the beta blocker is actually bad for the asthma. So what does the pulmonologist do? Do they stop the beta blocker and risk the patient's heart, or do they leave it alone and do nothing? They'll stop it. And then they give the patient a referral to see their primary physician. If it's just about managing blood pressure, the GP can handle that adjustment and keep things steady, while also explaining why the beta blocker was a bad idea. It happens more often than you'd think—patients staying on meds they shouldn't just because "it feels fine." Essentially, we need a doctor who acts like a captain, guiding a person through the healthcare system to reach a goal. Unfortunately... unfortunately... nowadays, doctors are mostly just glorified ATM machines for referrals, and that's what really hurts.
So, regarding what Susan Rodriguez4 is saying; yes, we need better management, but that's only one part—actually a pretty small part of the problem. The crisis is systemic. You see it most clearly in those massive MRI machines they buy... which, according to reports, are 90% unnecessary. An MRI costs roughly $667, and if you asked any average American to shell out that kind of cash, they'd probably lose their mind! In my opinion, if we looked into who authorized all those useless MRIs (an MRI is safe enough, but a CT scan hits the body with HUGE amounts of radiation—like 150 times more than a standard X-ray!), I suspect we'd find that the system is fundamentally broken somewhere, and that's what needs to be uncovered.
Because, sure, kudos to a hospital for being managed successfully; that's great! Absolutely. But someone has to pay for every single one of those MRIs, and a "successful" hospital like that will paradoxically just end up drowning in debt. (Which is why I suspect there's a dedicated group behind all this bad healthcare, trying to prevent debt accumulation by pushing people away from public services and driving them toward private healthcare😁)

Kyle Lee7 said:Let me clarify my position here. It’s not that I’m specifically demanding a specialist just for the sake of it. The reality is that I’m managing some chronic conditions—specifically MS and asthma—that require regular check-ups and oversight from a specialist at set intervals. From a logical standpoint, if I'm seeing a specialist, they should be the ones able to issue my prescriptions. It makes zero sense that I have to loop back to my primary care physician just to get a script signed. Furthermore, if that same specialist tells me, "Come back in three months for a follow-up," I shouldn't have to run back to my GP just to schedule that appointment or get authorization. Why put patients through this unnecessary runaround? It feels like a lot of wasted movement.
What exactly is the point of having the internet if we can't use it to keep doctors connected? Instead of this constant back-and-forth walking around, why isn't everything streamlined digitally? It feels like the primary care physician is being relegated to nothing more than an administrator rather than a true medical provider.

True, they don't strictly need it—though they actually do, but let them pay their own way—just like people shouldn't be taking sick leave for a simple cold. Actually, when I really think about it, I wouldn't even want people with colds coming into the office and spreading viruses around. Working in that environment, I have my own chronic condition to manage, and every single virus someone brings in could seriously impact my health. So, maybe we should all consider asking people to just STAY HOME when they're dealing with viruses, strep throat, or the flu.
When it comes to medication, I feel like we’re seeing a real disconnect in how treatment is handled. Many patients living with MS should ideally be on something like interferon while they still have a genuine window of opportunity to slow down or even halt the progression of the disease, yet so few actually receive it. On the flip side, doctors are prescribing a mountain of different medications, half of which end up sitting in a trash can because they aren't right for the patient—all while people are left footing the bill. It’s a tough situation when you consider that many patients simply can't afford to shell out nearly $1,100 a month just for interferon.

What I mean is that until I hit my 30s, I was seeing a public gynecologist and was honestly pretty clueless about specific screenings. I used to think a Pap smear was plenty. When I finally decided to switch to a private specialist, I nearly had a heart attack when they asked if I’d done certain specific swabs—and I just sat there looking blank. You can carry a ton of infections without even knowing it, yet they can lead to infertility or cervical cancer. These screenings really should be the gold standard; I get them done once a year now, and I sleep much better for it. It feels like so many women only find out they’re carrying things like HPV or chlamydia once they actually get pregnant.

I go to psychotherapy. That’s one referral per month.
And for the record, I haven't taken a single sick day in eight years.
If I need to stay home for a couple of days because of a virus, they just deduct it from my vacation time, and that's that.

e, I suppose that’s exactly what I was getting at when I mentioned how certain medications are strictly earmarked for specific conditions, and how Medicare essentially shackles doctors, preventing them from acting solely in the patient's best interest.
Interferon is actually a drug that could potentially help with a vast array of conditions... but unfortunately, it hasn't been prescribed for those cases here... so I guess people just have to find their own ways to manage.

Kyle Lee7 said:Let me clarify my position here. It’s not that I’m specifically demanding a specialist just for the sake of it. The reality is that I’m managing some chronic conditions—specifically MS and asthma—that require regular check-ups and oversight from a specialist at set intervals. From a logical standpoint, if I'm seeing a specialist, they should be the ones able to issue my prescriptions. It makes zero sense that I have to loop back to my primary care physician just to get a script signed. Furthermore, if that same specialist tells me, "Come back in three months for a follow-up," I shouldn't have to run back to my GP just to schedule that appointment or get authorization. Why put patients through this unnecessary runaround? It feels like a lot of wasted movement.
What exactly is the point of having the internet if we can't use it to keep doctors connected? Instead of this constant back-and-forth walking around, why isn't everything streamlined digitally? It feels like the primary care physician is being relegated to nothing more than an administrator rather than a true medical provider.

True, they don't strictly need it—though they actually do, but let them pay their own way—just like people shouldn't be taking sick leave for a simple cold. Actually, when I really think about it, I wouldn't even want people with colds coming into the office and spreading viruses around. Working in that environment, I have my own chronic condition to manage, and every single virus someone brings in could seriously impact my health. So, maybe we should all consider asking people to just STAY HOME when they're dealing with viruses, strep throat, or the flu.
When it comes to medication, I feel like we’re seeing a real disconnect in how treatment is handled. Many patients living with MS should ideally be on something like interferon while they still have a genuine window of opportunity to slow down or even halt the progression of the disease, yet so few actually receive it. On the flip side, doctors are prescribing a mountain of different medications, half of which end up sitting in a trash can because they aren't right for the patient—all while people are left footing the bill. It’s a tough situation when you consider that many patients simply can't afford to shell out nearly $1,100 a month just for interferon.

What I mean is that until I hit my 30s, I was seeing a public gynecologist and was honestly pretty clueless about specific screenings. I used to think a Pap smear was plenty. When I finally decided to switch to a private specialist, I nearly had a heart attack when they asked if I’d done certain specific swabs—and I just sat there looking blank. You can carry a ton of infections without even knowing it, yet they can lead to infertility or cervical cancer. These screenings really should be the gold standard; I get them done once a year now, and I sleep much better for it. It feels like so many women only find out they’re carrying things like HPV or chlamydia once they actually get pregnant.

I go to psychotherapy. That’s one referral per month.
And for the record, I haven't taken a single sick day in eight years.
If I need to stay home for a couple of days because of a virus, they just deduct it from my vacation time, and that's that.

hm, I wonder why there isn't some kind of recurring referral? I'm not entirely sure, since I've never personally referred anyone to psychotherapy, though I do know that certain services allow for multiple visits, or like people getting wound care at the ER who can visit several times under one referral... that was a new thing last year. I suppose you should probably ask a therapist; maybe the family doctor knows the specifics.
Maria Gomez4 Maria Gomez4 Member
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#606 ·
melloworca6 said:You totally misunderstood me. It’s not that my doctor ever refused to run a test or give me a prescription a specialist actually wrote—if she had done that, I would have lost it on her. My issue was just getting an appointment with a specialist in the first place because she wouldn't send me for any testing.

The woman figured out my thyroid was enlarged, asked me about it, and I just told her I didn't know—I hadn't noticed anything. So, she didn't bother sending me to get my hormone levels checked. It took six months for me to realize I had a thyroid problem, and that only happened because an immunologist finally caught that my thyroid was swollen and sent me for bloodwork.

I spent six months suffering for absolutely nothing because she wouldn't hand over one damn referral. Expecting a layperson like me to self-diagnose stuff like that is just ridiculous.

And don't even get me started on how I only saw that immunologist because my mom stepped in, took charge, and basically bullied my way into appointments. If I had just waited for this doctor to snap out of it, I'd still be waiting.

You can't have someone walk into your office, tell you their joints are aching and their fingers are turning blue and white, and then just send them off to check their white blood cell count and ESR. What the hell are you supposed to see from that? In the four years I've been dragging myself from doctor to doctor, my CBC comes back perfect every single time, yet my immune system is a total disaster.

Oh, and there's one more thing that drives me absolutely insane. Not one single doctor has actually sat down with me to explain what is going on. I've had to go online and hunt down what my own lab results actually mean. It’s pathetic that as a patient, I have to educate myself on my own illnesses by scouring the internet and digging through medical books.

Can I ask a somewhat blunt question here—did you ever actually ask anyone to explain things to you?
In my experience, people have always been willing to walk me through everything (provided I actually asked), though I suppose that isn't always the case.
Maybe it is just an attitude issue, or perhaps I am wrong, but I suspect some people simply prefer to stay detached and avoid getting too involved with their own health. Or, I guess, maybe they are just intimidated by doctors, which might explain why they tend to corner interns to interpret their results, since interns usually don't mind helping out.
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
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#607 ·
frozenhawk0 said:Regarding this article

Speaking from experience, some of this isn't even true. It says you wait 3 months for an MRI... but when I went to schedule a lumbar MRI back in month 12, the nurse told me there wasn't an opening for at least another 6 months...
Anyway... on that note—huge shoutout and thanks to that nurse. For no particular reason, she was suuuuper nice to me. Basically, when I showed her my EMNG results, she looked horrified and asked how old I was. Once I told her, she decided I was way too young for this and managed to squeeze me in for an MRI in just 3 weeks..

Also, yeah, if there's a doctor here willing to spare 5 minutes to explain an MRI result to me (I have zero clue what I'm looking at, and I've got a 2-month wait to see my orthopedic surgeon).. if such a person exists, please DM me.. Thanks a lot!!!

You're probably better off asking here. 😉
Nicholas Chavez70 Nicholas Chavez70 Active Member
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#608 ·
Christian White3 said:What, were they supposed to just let him die? 🤦

No... But the sheer level of effort they poured into this was something money simply cannot buy. I recall a case where surgeons actually hopped on Air Force One to get to Ancona just so they could perform a liver extraction and a transplant all within the same day. They were operating for at least ten hours straight, working with absolute, hyper-focused intensity on some elderly woman who essentially drove herself into this crisis through her own sheer negligence. To make matters even more complicated, the liver wasn't even a compatible blood type, so they had to spend weeks separating plasma to strip out the antibodies just so her body wouldn't reject the organ immediately. And now, she’s stuck with a lifetime of incredibly expensive immunosuppressant therapy. It really isn't any wonder that our hospitals face such massive losses when people don't take even the slightest bit of responsibility for their own health, only to fly into a doctor's office with the attitude of, "Well, fix me." 👎
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#609 ·
Maria Gomez4 said:Can I ask a somewhat blunt question here—did you ever actually ask anyone to explain things to you?
In my experience, people have always been willing to walk me through everything (provided I actually asked), though I suppose that isn't always the case.
Maybe it is just an attitude issue, or perhaps I am wrong, but I suspect some people simply prefer to stay detached and avoid getting too involved with their own health. Or, I guess, maybe they are just intimidated by doctors, which might explain why they tend to corner interns to interpret their results, since interns usually don't mind helping out.

Take my immunology labs, for example. I asked my primary care doctor. She could explain some stuff, but not all of it. I can't expect my GP to give me a deep dive into every single thing I bring in; she isn't a specialist. She knows the basics of certain diseases, and that's it.

And who else was I supposed to ask? An immunologist? You barely make it through the door before you're being ushered out. You don't even get a chance to list your symptoms, let alone grill them with questions, because there are 50 to 100 patients waiting in the hallway.

I'm not blaming the doctors here. There are way too many patients per doctor. Of course they don't have the time to sit down and answer every single question we have.

Nicholas Chavez70 said:No... But the sheer level of effort they poured into this was something money simply cannot buy. I recall a case where surgeons actually hopped on Air Force One to get to Ancona just so they could perform a liver extraction and a transplant all within the same day. They were operating for at least ten hours straight, working with absolute, hyper-focused intensity on some elderly woman who essentially drove herself into this crisis through her own sheer negligence. To make matters even more complicated, the liver wasn't even a compatible blood type, so they had to spend weeks separating plasma to strip out the antibodies just so her body wouldn't reject the organ immediately. And now, she’s stuck with a lifetime of incredibly expensive immunosuppressant therapy. It really isn't any wonder that our hospitals face such massive losses when people don't take even the slightest bit of responsibility for their own health, only to fly into a doctor's office with the attitude of, "Well, fix me." 👎

Well, you could look at it that way too. Why bother treating smokers who got lung cancer, obese people who developed diabetes or strokes, or alcoholics who trashed their livers?

How is someone poisoning themselves any different from the examples listed above?
🤷
Nicholas Chavez70 Nicholas Chavez70 Active Member
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#610 ·
melloworca6 said:Take my immunology labs, for example. I asked my primary care doctor. She could explain some stuff, but not all of it. I can't expect my GP to give me a deep dive into every single thing I bring in; she isn't a specialist. She knows the basics of certain diseases, and that's it.

And who else was I supposed to ask? An immunologist? You barely make it through the door before you're being ushered out. You don't even get a chance to list your symptoms, let alone grill them with questions, because there are 50 to 100 patients waiting in the hallway.

I'm not blaming the doctors here. There are way too many patients per doctor. Of course they don't have the time to sit down and answer every single question we have.

Well, you could look at it that way too. Why bother treating smokers who got lung cancer, obese people who developed diabetes or strokes, or alcoholics who trashed their livers?

How is someone poisoning themselves any different from the examples listed above?
🤷

It is quite difficult to play the "intellectual" here, because the level of care this woman received cost many millions of dollars, and a facility like the Mayo Clinic simply cannot afford to handle cases of this magnitude on a regular basis. For chronic smokers, alcoholics, and others who are essentially dismantling their own health through lifestyle choices, there ought to be an exception where they are required to cover at least a portion of their medical expenses themselves. If people were actually confronted with the staggering reality of those costs—seeing how much money is drained away by such massive expenditures—perhaps they would be more hesitant to ingest those toxins in the first place. But then again, if someone wants to live that way, that is their prerogative...
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#611 ·
I'm saying it again: how is this woman any different from someone like XY, who completely wrecked his liver with alcohol and ended up needing a transplant?

Look, you can't look at it that way. It’s all or nothing: either Medicare covers stuff like this for everyone, or they don't cover it for anyone. Sure, the woman was reckless and she messed up, but she isn't any different from anyone else out there who constantly trashes their health and ignores what their doctors tell them.

You see a ton of cases where someone has sky-high blood pressure—we're talking imminent stroke or heart attack territory—and they just flat-out ignore it. They keep eating greasy, salty, heavily seasoned junk food despite every warning from their doctor. Then, inevitably, they suffer a stroke, and suddenly they’re demanding rehab, expensive meds, and all that. So, what's the move? Should we actually deny healthcare to people who refuse to help themselves?
Nicholas Chavez70 Nicholas Chavez70 Active Member
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#612 ·
melloworca6 said:I'm saying it again: how is this woman any different from someone like XY, who completely wrecked his liver with alcohol and ended up needing a transplant?

Look, you can't look at it that way. It’s all or nothing: either Medicare covers stuff like this for everyone, or they don't cover it for anyone. Sure, the woman was reckless and she messed up, but she isn't any different from anyone else out there who constantly trashes their health and ignores what their doctors tell them.

You see a ton of cases where someone has sky-high blood pressure—we're talking imminent stroke or heart attack territory—and they just flat-out ignore it. They keep eating greasy, salty, heavily seasoned junk food despite every warning from their doctor. Then, inevitably, they suffer a stroke, and suddenly they’re demanding rehab, expensive meds, and all that. So, what's the move? Should we actually deny healthcare to people who refuse to help themselves?

No, I don't think that's quite right; they should at least be provided with basic care. If someone wants a more specialized or expensive procedure, then by all means, they can pay out of their own pocket. But if they simply can't afford it? Well, you just send them home. That's how it should work here in the States. 👍
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
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#613 ·
I’d handle this a bit differently. 🙂

The folks in the Government actually had one decent idea: take a percentage from every single pack of cigarettes sold and earmark it specifically for the Department of Health and Human Services. I have no clue why they didn't pull the trigger on it, because honestly, the concept was solid. You could easily do the same thing with alcohol or junk food—if people want to indulge, fine, let them.

But what you're suggesting is just impossible. How are you supposed to determine who qualifies for premium coverage versus basic care? And how would you ever prove if someone is actually drowning themselves in booze or smoking five packs of cigarettes a day?
Thomas Roberts9 Thomas Roberts9 Active Member
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#614 ·
I haven't spent a great deal of time reading through everyone's posts here, but speaking from my own experience, I find myself somewhat satisfied with certain aspects of my care while being profoundly disappointed by others. For instance, I am dealing with an eye condition that leaves me with no choice but to undergo a corneal transplant; until then, I have to rely on wearing semi-rigid contact lenses. My condition has taken a sudden, sharp turn for the worse, yet the doctors at the hospital have insisted that I am simply imagining the severity of it—not to mention the indignity of having a frantic intern yell at me, as if she could possibly understand the reality of what is happening inside MY eye 😲

Because of this, I was wondering how satisfied you all are with the services and pricing at the Light Clinic?! Naturally, I am asking only if anyone here has actually been there...
I am seriously considering scheduling an appointment there, as it feels more and more like the hospital isn't taking my situation seriously enough 😢
Nicholas Chavez70 Nicholas Chavez70 Active Member
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#615 ·
melloworca6 said:I’d handle this a bit differently. 🙂

The folks in the Government actually had one decent idea: take a percentage from every single pack of cigarettes sold and earmark it specifically for the Department of Health and Human Services. I have no clue why they didn't pull the trigger on it, because honestly, the concept was solid. You could easily do the same thing with alcohol or junk food—if people want to indulge, fine, let them.

But what you're suggesting is just impossible. How are you supposed to determine who qualifies for premium coverage versus basic care? And how would you ever prove if someone is actually drowning themselves in booze or smoking five packs of cigarettes a day?

Please, it isn't exactly rocket science to figure out who is binging and who is smoking—what are we, chimney sweeps? You see it in the blood alcohol levels, the specific stages of liver, brain, stomach, and kidney damage that are unique to chronic alcoholics... It's the same with cigarettes; years of tar and nicotine build up in the lungs like sediment. Honestly, I am all for adding a surcharge to alcohol and tobacco to fund healthcare, but doing it that way doesn't act as prevention. The most effective prevention is hitting people right where it hurts: their wallets...
Andrew Wood5 Andrew Wood5 Member
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#616 ·
Kyle Lee7 said:Since you brought up the USA, it’s actually pretty fascinating how they topped a recent study on the best places to live. They looked at everything, including the quality of the healthcare system. Up until recently—and I know Obama started some reforms, but he didn't go nearly far enough—it was basically a "pay up or die" situation, or you end up drowning in debt. You either have no coverage at all, or you have a policy that covers absolutely everything except the one thing that actually happens to you. Honestly, if you look at it that way, it feels like one of the most inhumane societies out there, and I’d argue their healthcare system is probably the worst ever. So many people there just don't get treated because they can't afford it, and that includes the middle class and even the upper-middle class.
I honestly don't see the point of having such supposedly "genius," cutting-edge healthcare, world-class specialists, and elite hospitals if the average person can't access them. For whom is it intended?

Getting back to our own system here—there is so much that needs to change, and frankly, three pages wouldn't be enough to list it all, ranging from massive systemic failures to specific individual incidents.

Here is my top list of issues:
1. Milinović and the issues surrounding assisted reproduction.
2. Milinović and the merging of hospitals.
3. Milinović and Vuk Vrhovec.
4. As a chronic patient, I need specialist follow-ups—but the process is ridiculous. First, I have to see a GP via a referral, then wait for an appointment, then have the exam, then take the results back to the GP just to get prescriptions and more referrals for the tests the specialist requested. WHY? It’s as if I can't just receive subsequent referrals and prescriptions directly from the specialist after that first visit.
5. The current situation where clinics are handing out medications like candy, deciding what people should or shouldn't take, while chronic and critically ill patients have to live in fear wondering if their expensive life-saving medication will be approved. Why can't people just pay for their own nasal sprays or a box of antibiotics (which are overprescribed anyway), instead of forcing people to fight for their very lives?
6. Gynecologists who don't think it's necessary to send women for full swabs, opting for just a Pap smear instead—at least once! Not just right before pregnancy.
7. If I am on a permanent therapy regimen and need the exact same prescription and referral every single month, why am I forced to show up and wait two hours at the GP's office every time? Surely there could be a way to issue (semi)permanent orders.
8. The sheer rudeness and laziness of certain medical staff. You see nurses at the reception desks creating lines that stretch out the door simply because out of three people working, only one is actually helping while the other two are busy gossiping.
9. The level of hygiene and food quality in hospitals—we're talking dirty, stinking bathrooms and unappetizing cafeteria food that isn't fit for purpose, let alone meeting the dietary needs of recovering patients.



You get laid down on that filthy green paper sheet that's been swapped under countless patients; there are black stains from the hips down, but the funny thing is how doctors look at you with disgust if you actually show up clean, yet those little bits of fabric stay stuck to your body (because the fabric is cheap quality, which is why it sticks to you; none of us can afford the good stuff).
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
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#617 ·
Thomas Roberts9 said:I haven't spent a great deal of time reading through everyone's posts here, but speaking from my own experience, I find myself somewhat satisfied with certain aspects of my care while being profoundly disappointed by others. For instance, I am dealing with an eye condition that leaves me with no choice but to undergo a corneal transplant; until then, I have to rely on wearing semi-rigid contact lenses. My condition has taken a sudden, sharp turn for the worse, yet the doctors at the hospital have insisted that I am simply imagining the severity of it—not to mention the indignity of having a frantic intern yell at me, as if she could possibly understand the reality of what is happening inside MY eye 😲

Because of this, I was wondering how satisfied you all are with the services and pricing at the Light Clinic?! Naturally, I am asking only if anyone here has actually been there...
I am seriously considering scheduling an appointment there, as it feels more and more like the hospital isn't taking my situation seriously enough 😢

Topic: "How satisfied are you with the healthcare system?"
You should feel free to start a separate thread about that specific clinic; in fact, we don't even have one yet, and I suspect it would be quite useful for swapping stories.
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Maria Gomez4 Maria Gomez4 Member
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#618 ·
Hey, Josey, how on earth are you so deeply informed about that lady’s transplant case?
I happen to be quite well-acquainted with the details myself, though I’ve hesitated to speak up due to certain ethical considerations. In any case, she was technically "my patient" during my clinical rotations.

It serves as a perfect example of how someone foolish—and perhaps a bit unhinged—can waste millions of taxpayer dollars while everyone else just stands around acting clueless.

melloworca6 said:I’d handle this a bit differently. 🙂

The folks in the Government actually had one decent idea: take a percentage from every single pack of cigarettes sold and earmark it specifically for the Department of Health and Human Services. I have no clue why they didn't pull the trigger on it, because honestly, the concept was solid. You could easily do the same thing with alcohol or junk food—if people want to indulge, fine, let them.

But what you're suggesting is just impossible. How are you supposed to determine who qualifies for premium coverage versus basic care? And how would you ever prove if someone is actually drowning themselves in booze or smoking five packs of cigarettes a day?

Well, they actually did implement it! A portion of the excise tax on tobacco products goes straight to Medicare, but... you know... just imagine if they actually wanted to maintain a strict and honest system, the price of a pack of cigarettes would be close to $33... which doesn't bother me at all, really. Treating all those heavy illnesses linked to smoking... it's EXPENSIVE. Extremely expensive.

melloworca6 said:I’d handle this a bit differently. 🙂

The folks in the Government actually had one decent idea: take a percentage from every single pack of cigarettes sold and earmark it specifically for the Department of Health and Human Services. I have no clue why they didn't pull the trigger on it, because honestly, the concept was solid. You could easily do the same thing with alcohol or junk food—if people want to indulge, fine, let them.

But what you're suggesting is just impossible. How are you supposed to determine who qualifies for premium coverage versus basic care? And how would you ever prove if someone is actually drowning themselves in booze or smoking five packs of cigarettes a day?

That kind of system already exists! If you smoke, if you drink, or if you are overweight, you end up paying more for healthcare—though, of course, not here in America.
But I'm not entirely sure if that's the right way to go. To me, the case involving that woman who loves mushrooms is simply a reminder that even in America, some incredibly advanced and positive things are being done that cost massive amounts of money; that lady's life was saved, and they didn't skimp on the funding. She received the kind of care that wouldn't even be available in many other countries on this planet.

Anyway... since we've wandered into ethical territory: here is one for you.
This is an example from the same hospital; a young girl attempted suicide by taking a medication that caused her liver to fail completely, and since she didn't pass away instantly—meaning medical teams were able to start saving her in time—it was decided to transplant her liver. It is the only therapy for that specific type of poisoning, and it truly is an emergency procedure.
But... did that (I think she was) 17-year-old really deserve such a life-saving organ? After all, she (attempted) suicide. Because of her, someone else didn't get that organ.
Maria Gomez4 Maria Gomez4 Member
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#619 ·
Andrew Wood5 said:

You get laid down on that filthy green paper sheet that's been swapped under countless patients; there are black stains from the hips down, but the funny thing is how doctors look at you with disgust if you actually show up clean, yet those little bits of fabric stay stuck to your body (because the fabric is cheap quality, which is why it sticks to you; none of us can afford the good stuff).

Good grief, where on earth are you pulling such terrible experiences from?
Maria Gomez4 Maria Gomez4 Member
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#620 ·
melloworca6 said:Take my immunology labs, for example. I asked my primary care doctor. She could explain some stuff, but not all of it. I can't expect my GP to give me a deep dive into every single thing I bring in; she isn't a specialist. She knows the basics of certain diseases, and that's it.

And who else was I supposed to ask? An immunologist? You barely make it through the door before you're being ushered out. You don't even get a chance to list your symptoms, let alone grill them with questions, because there are 50 to 100 patients waiting in the hallway.

I'm not blaming the doctors here. There are way too many patients per doctor. Of course they don't have the time to sit down and answer every single question we have.

Well, you could look at it that way too. Why bother treating smokers who got lung cancer, obese people who developed diabetes or strokes, or alcoholics who trashed their livers?

How is someone poisoning themselves any different from the examples listed above?
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I suppose you might be surprised by just how much your doctor actually knows; perhaps you should try asking her.

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