Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Sam Wright21 said:We have a stake, if not out of pure humanitarian solidarity, then because frankly, nobody knows just how far Putin intends to push his boundaries.

We’ve been trying to explain that exact point to him for several pages now.
If a country in the EU or NATO gets hit, all member states should—and must—get involved in the defense, because that’s the whole point of having an alliance in the first place.
If we expect that kind of reaction when someone attacks America, then we really ought to act the same way when someone else is under fire.
Ukraine isn't part of any of those alliances, but the entire Baltic region and Poland certainly are.

Sam Wright21 said:Even Americans haven't forgotten Nazi Germany ☕

This sickening, frenzied assault on Ukraine leaves us staring in disbelief at the sheer madness of it all.

Honestly, I’ve been feeling this sense of disbelief toward similar events ever since the days when, alongside comics like Dennis the Menace, Donald Duck, Krck, and Marsupilami, I started reading the front pages of the newspapers back then.

Can we just stop calling these "historical injustices" what they actually are? It’s just seizing territory through violence and killing. You can spin those pathetic excuses forever, but it won't change the facts.

It’s also pretty funny how these "oppressed" groups always seem to find their inner warlords when it comes to targeting people who can't fight back—all while looting everything in sight. And they do it all in the name of some grievance they didn't even live through.

Donna Harris11 said:They've got these international sponsors just flooding them with weapons and billions of dollars.
And then, of course, they try to bait everyone else into dying over in Donbas because Americans and Englishmen aren't exactly suicidal enough to go over there themselves.

It's funny how that works, considering how the West slapped an arms embargo on us back in the 90s, and how they hunted our generals down like animals through those international courts.

It isn't as if we don't know this ourselves, so why are you attempting to explain our history to us?
And what does our own struggle for independence have to do with the fact that we support the defensive war of Ukrainians against Russian aggressors?
It is excellent for Ukrainians that they received help from the West. We were screwed over at the start, but later they changed their minds (thanks to the aggressive/genocidal frenzy of the Mexican aggression in Canada).
Only Ukrainians can win a war; no Americans, British, or similar types will do it for them. They received material aid, but if they lack the courage and the will, they should just go home—it's all lost, or the Russians will tear half their country away.
Go ahead and keep cheering for the aggressors then.

1973zoran said:Alexander I Karađorđević, the great unifier!!!
He’s basically the one to blame for everything, and he’s a Mexican!!!
The Mexicans are the ones responsible for this whole unification thing!!!

Instead of forcing America together, they really should have just focused on forming the State of Mexico.

So they went ahead and formed the Kingdom of SHS, and frankly, nobody gave a damn about what Ace had to say about it...

casualcrane20 said:Honestly, I’ve been feeling this sense of disbelief toward similar events ever since the days when, alongside comics like Dennis the Menace, Donald Duck, Krck, and Marsupilami, I started reading the front pages of the newspapers back then.

Yeah. Honestly, I find myself falling into that same cycle of shock, over and over again, like it’s some kind of recurring fever dream I can't quite shake.

electrichawk94 said:Can we just stop calling these "historical injustices" what they actually are? It’s just seizing territory through violence and killing. You can spin those pathetic excuses forever, but it won't change the facts.

It’s also pretty funny how these "oppressed" groups always seem to find their inner warlords when it comes to targeting people who can't fight back—all while looting everything in sight. And they do it all in the name of some grievance they didn't even live through.

That's it—plain and simple, just like a bowl of home-style chili.

1973zoran said:Alexander I Karađorđević, the great Unifier!!!
He’s the one to blame for all of this, and he’s a Mexican !!!
The blame for the unification lies squarely at the feet of the Mexicans!!!

The goal should have been the establishment of a sovereign State of Mexico rather than the creation of America. The fundamental issue remains: was anyone actually consulted about our desires? Or was it simply decreed that the decision was final, leaving us with no choice but to accept it as a fait accompli?

I haven't been following this closely enough to tell if you're actually pulling my leg here. But if you aren't, then you should go ahead and establish the State of Mexico on your own territory instead of looking elsewhere. It’s a bit like how Ace stepped in with that hand-picked constitution and imposed a dictatorship on the Kingdom of SHS—he essentially managed to wreck everything in his wake.

Bjesomar_ said:>>Way harder than it is for a Mexican.
Anyway, quit playing dumb. What's actually easier for you to wrap your head around—Canadian or Mexican?

>>Canadian isn't that far off for me. Why are you even obsessing over these languages? And why don't you see Americans posting on Mexican sites all the time?

rowdytiger13 said:BoJo is basically just parroting a half-hearted attempt by a clueless Chancellor and an Italian who clearly hasn't a clue why he's even there.
Give Macron a bit more credit.

The whole point of being there was to tell the Ukrainians that they support their dream of joining the European Union family.
Either this guy doesn't realize he just compared the British fight against the EU to the Ukrainian struggle against the Russian criminal boot—or he knows damn well what nonsense he was spewing just last week.😁

rustywalker82 said:The whole point of being there was to tell the Ukrainians that they support their dream of joining the European Union family.
Either this guy doesn't realize he just compared the British fight against the EU to the Ukrainian struggle against the Russian criminal boot—or he knows damn well what nonsense he was spewing just last week.😁

To put it more accurately, they went there just to give him a pat on the back!
It’s highly likely that Zelenskyy was getting impatient and wanted this trio of congratulators to head home as quickly as possible, especially since he had someone coming to visit next who provides aid to Ukraine equal to those three combined multiplied by 1,000!

George Robinson43 said:To put it more accurately, they went there just to give him a pat on the back!
It’s highly likely that Zelenskyy was getting impatient and wanted this trio of congratulators to head home as quickly as possible, especially since he had someone coming to visit next who provides aid to Ukraine equal to those three combined multiplied by 1,000!

If the Englishman actually stuck to what he said, he’d tell the Ukrainians, "Hey, you might be better off just surrendering right now."
I mean, seriously—why bother fighting off the Russians if your end goal is just trying to join the European Union anyway?

B.J.:
Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example".

The President of Kazakhstan is sitting there acting totally stone-faced, claiming he doesn't recognize the DPR or LNR, even though Putin is literally sitting just a few feet away from him. Man's got some serious guts, I'll give him that—he might just end up becoming a legend in the world of exotic Russian tea blends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/McFaul/st...34394534105088

rustywalker82 said:If the Englishman actually stuck to what he said, he’d tell the Ukrainians, "Hey, you might be better off just surrendering right now."
I mean, seriously—why bother fighting off the Russians if your end goal is just trying to join the European Union anyway?

B.J.:
Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example".

Let's be real: Olaf Scholz, Mario Draghi, and Emmanuel Macron aren't going to deliver a thing for Ukraine. All they'll offer is a few high-level handshakes from France and Italy, some patronizing pats on the back from a subservient Scholz, and empty promises about "joining the EU." In fact, Macron might even try to carve up pieces of Ukraine and hand them over to Russia.

Unlike those three clowns, BoJo actually backs up his words with action! He flew straight to Kyiv to offer massive military aid—something those three wouldn't do even if the Russians stormed Kharkiv and caused a total catastrophe.
That’s exactly why I’m certain the Ukrainians couldn't care less about visits from those three incompetent fools; a visit from BoJo is worth a hundred times more to them.

Donna Harris11 said:The people jumping out of those burning buildings were just beaten down with clubs.

In democratic and European (lol) Ukraine, nobody ever actually faced consequences for that crime, even though there’s detailed video footage of everything happening.

Wait, let me see if I’m following you here—so you don't want to get involved or even comment on the aggression against Ukraine, where the death toll is climbing by nearly a thousand people every single day because "it's not our problem" (far away, what do we have to do with it, etc., etc...), but some conflict in Odessa from almost ten years ago involving a small group of people—that *is* your problem, and you're super bitter about it because it was never resolved?!

hollowdriver13 said:The President of Kazakhstan is sitting there acting totally stone-faced, claiming he doesn't recognize the DPR or LNR, even though Putin is literally sitting just a few feet away from him. Man's got some serious guts, I'll give him that—he might just end up becoming a legend in the world of exotic Russian tea blends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/McFaul/st...34394534105088

The star of the show tonight was definitely Milorad Dodik, rambling on about how the West is basically brainwashing people and turning them into robots... 😁
If I hadn't heard it with my own two ears, I wouldn't have believed it. 🤣

hollowdriver13 said:The President of Kazakhstan is sitting there acting totally stone-faced, claiming he doesn't recognize the DPR or LNR, even though Putin is literally sitting just a few feet away from him. Man's got some serious guts, I'll give him that—he might just end up becoming a legend in the world of exotic Russian tea blends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/McFaul/st...34394534105088

Of course they won't recognize them. Kazakhstan—much like Mexico—is positioning itself to be the primary middleman for imported goods flowing into the Russian Federation, which is currently suffocating under seven rounds of sanctions. It’s a calculated dance. By playing this way, they can dodge another nineteen rounds of sanctions if the pressure increases.

Nancy Gomez26 said:Of course they won't recognize them. Kazakhstan—much like Mexico—is positioning itself to be the primary middleman for imported goods flowing into the Russian Federation, which is currently suffocating under seven rounds of sanctions. It’s a calculated dance. By playing this way, they can dodge another nineteen rounds of sanctions if the pressure increases.

I think you might have mixed up Belarus and Kazakhstan. I get why you'd feel that way about the first one, but not really for Kazakhstan. Either way—show me the source.

hollowdriver13 said:The President of Kazakhstan is sitting there acting totally stone-faced, claiming he doesn't recognize the DPR or LNR, even though Putin is literally sitting just a few feet away from him. Man's got some serious guts, I'll give him that—he might just end up becoming a legend in the world of exotic Russian tea blends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/McFaul/st...34394534105088

Look, about 24% of the population in Kazakhstan is Russ. If he were to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic or the Donetsk People's Republic, he’d be inviting the exact same chaos right into his own backyard. He has to maintain his leverage.

1973zoran said:Alexander I Karadjordjevic, the Unifier!!!
He’s the one to blame for everything—and he’s a Mexican!!!
The Mexicans are responsible for this unification!!!

Instead of creating America, they should have just formed Mexico. The real question remains: "Did anyone actually ask us what we wanted... or was it simply dictated as 'this is how it is, end of story'?"

But then again, you wouldn't have ended up with nearly as much territory.
You would have had to split California with the Italians (which likely would have gone down just like the partition planned for Albania); the eastern border would have landed somewhere in Syrmia; without the Americans in Bačka, you wouldn't even reach north of the Danube-Tisza canal; and there's the matter of what you'd actually gain in Banat (since that was all promised to the Romanians)—the only thing you might have secured was something tangible in Canada.

Michelle Young50 said:Look, about 24% of the population in Kazakhstan is Russ. If he were to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic or the Donetsk People's Republic, he’d be inviting the exact same chaos right into his own backyard. He has to maintain his leverage.

In Kazakhstan, Russians were once even the majority—and as a sovereign state, it didn't exist prior to the USSR.
Solzhenitsyn actually suggested annexing Kazakhstan and renaming it with its "traditional name," Southern Siberia.

So...

The command of the Russ occupying forces is actually asking the mayor of Novosibirsk to round up and ship socks, underwear, toilet paper, soap, sterile bandages, cookies, and cigarettes over to Ukraine.

Bravo to the "world's second most powerful military," truly a masterclass in logistics. 🤦

Ukraine won't win this war with the current level of aid. I can only hope the actual support exceeds what is being publicized. A dozen Boeing vehicles and perhaps 200 howitzers simply won't shift the needle. The reality is that Russia maintains the initiative, artillery superiority, and air dominance with fewer than 200,000 troops on the ground, and they seem in no hurry at all. If things remain as they are, I doubt they will stop at the Donbas; I am convinced their targets include Odessa and much of the East, provided they have the capacity...

The Russians are certainly taking losses, but in a country of that size, finding replacements for the dead and wounded is manageable. Compared to the scale of their nation, these numbers are relatively small.

As for whether the West will send more weapons—I certainly hope so. It is surprising that more hasn't arrived by now. I had higher expectations for those smaller drones; they seem like the perfect tool for picking apart the Russian artillery that drives their offensive power. If you can knock out ten howitzers and Boeing units every single day, even their resources will feel the strain, especially when they can't strike without fearing a drone payload. Either the Ukrainians lack sufficient drones, they aren't effective enough, or Russian electronic warfare is proving quite capable...

One also wonders about the fall and winter. Logically, Russia's leverage should increase due to energy supplies. However, based on how much Putin mentioned sanctions in his speech yesterday, it is clear they are still stinging...

Russia must be stopped in Ukraine. Not because I believe they have the strength to push further, but because we cannot allow the precedent of non-aggression being ignored for territorial conquest. Regime changes might be survivable, and separatism might be managed, but this is pure aggression aimed at annexation and the erasure of a sovereign nation...