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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Participants Charles Ross3rowdytiger13electrichawk94nimblemoose2Noah Ward2George Robinson43Larry Wilson25Larry Walker24Amanda Allen4Noah Sanchez2Paul Thomas46Jessica Peterson2Nancy Gomez26Nathan Evans78William Anderson5electricsurfer47gentlestag15wiredseal7Thomas Nelson25Donna Harris11Nicholas WatsonJack Kelly5Carol Johnson21Kate Cook27 …
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#4401 ·
pronto2 said:I feel the exact same way—it’s the hypocrites that get to me. They’re suddenly acting all concerned now, even though kids have been dying over there since 2014.🤷

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The folks in charge of these so-called People's Republics—with their so-called People's Courts of Justice, police, doctors, militias, and the rest—couldn't help but smirk while saying they won't honor any deal. They basically admitted they won't stop until they've wiped out the so-called Ukraine and the so-called Ukrainians. It wasn't even necessary for them to state that peace isn't the goal, but rather total war until Ukraine falls apart—a country they claim shouldn't have existed in the first place and doesn't deserve to exist because it's just a hub for corruption. And of course, they stick to their favorite rhetoric: "All Ukrainians will eventually accept being Russian, we'll de-Ukrainianize them, and if anyone resists, they can go hang themselves in Red Square." The real cost? Kids spending their lives hiding in basements.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4402 ·
goldenowl73 said:The Russian “National Republication Army” claims responsibility for the killing of Alexander Dugin’s daughter

BREAKING: So, I was just scrolling through my feed and saw this crazy news—there's a video up on YouTube right now where a group calling themselves the Russian “National Republication Army” is actually stepping up and claiming they were behind that car bombing that took the life of ultra-nationalist Alexander Dugin's daughter. It's absolutely wild how fast things move these days, isn't it?

https://t.co/xzgIiYkxQ5 https://t.co/vdO3H4FJHE

And who exactly are you people?
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#4403 ·
rowdytiger13 said:And who exactly are you people?

The FBI? They're just inventing extra enemies so brave Putin can protect the people.
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#4404 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Maybe we’ll get some clarity once the next target goes up in smoke. I have a feeling this wasn't the Ukrainians. Why waste the element of surprise on a relatively obscure target (I'm referring to Alexander Dugin's father)?

Honestly, Dugin is strategically irrelevant. Taking him out wouldn't change a single thing about the war. But man, he matters so much ideologically and symbolically.
He’s basically 100% pure ideology and 0% actual institution, which is exactly WHY he (or his daughter) makes such a perfect target. It's a strike against the idea, not necessarily against Russia itself.

Getting rid of her won't shift things for the average person in Russia, but it sends a super clear message to a very specific, tiny circle of people.

The big question is just... who's sending that message?
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4405 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:The FBI? They're just inventing extra enemies so brave Putin can protect the people.

Honestly, it's totally plausible.
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#4406 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:The FBI? They're just inventing extra enemies so brave Putin can protect the people.

I don't buy it. If this were some Russian false flag, it would probably target the citizens, the military, or the government—not just the ideological hawks.
William Cooper11 William Cooper11 Active Member
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#4407 ·
I still have a hunch that this assassination was orchestrated by one of those oligarchs who's absolutely fed up with Putin's war—someone whose entire lifestyle and future plans just went down the drain because of all the sanctions.
The target, if you ask me, was definitely Alexander Dugin.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#4408 ·
boldotter2 said:I don't buy it. If this were some Russian false flag, it would probably target the citizens, the military, or the government—not just the ideological hawks.

My point isn't the act itself, but rather the fact that some previously unknown terrorist group is claiming responsibility.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#4409 ·
William Cooper11 said:I still have a hunch that this assassination was orchestrated by one of those oligarchs who's absolutely fed up with Putin's war—someone whose entire lifestyle and future plans just went down the drain because of all the sanctions.
The target, if you ask me, was definitely Alexander Dugin.

One guy could vanish in the middle of the night, but you don't just blame the FBI—it's gotta be a coordinated group.
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
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#4410 ·
Some faction within the FBI is playing the anti-war card just because it doesn't suit their own interests—honestly, it’s probably just some radical students running amok, if you ask me.
Melissa Gray2 Melissa Gray2 Newcomer
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#4411 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I was right there—saw it, heard it all.

Look, you could have been hanging out in Lviv without actually ever stepping foot on the front lines. It makes total sense that people fleeing to Lviv would pick up the language—they’re gonna need it to survive, right? Besides, if they started claiming they loved Russia, everyone would immediately flag them as foreign agents anyway... wouldn't they?
Back in Mykolaiv, things got pretty intense, with tons of locals getting detained just because people suspected they were leaking info.
Who knows how many "suspicious" folks have been taken out in those cities while the mainstream media stays completely silent about it...
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#4412 ·
Christian Torres3 said:One guy could vanish in the middle of the night, but you don't just blame the FBI—it's gotta be a coordinated group.

Dennis Price said:Some faction within the FBI is playing the anti-war card just because it doesn't suit their own interests—honestly, it’s probably just some radical students running amok, if you ask me.

We really need someone who actually knows their way around a drill sergeant's classroom, I guess. Maybe someone with the right gear and some real field experience too!

It’s pretty hard to imagine just one disgruntled person pulling off a stunt like this on their own. I mean, where would they even get a bomb, let alone the technical know-how to set it up and handle all those other "operational" details? Maybe that one person started the whole thing, but you definitely need some serious backup to actually pull something like this off.
Megan Thomas5 Megan Thomas5 Active Member
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#4413 ·
Since when do Russians actually need some grand excuse or justification to liquidate someone? They've always been killing people regardless of whether they're guilty or innocent, just because...
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4414 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:The FBI? They're just inventing extra enemies so brave Putin can protect the people.

It could be the FBI, but for different reasons. Everyone saw this coming—the oligarchs and the power players are finally starting to wobble. Sanctions tend to hit them the hardest.
Beyond that, Putin is reportedly breathing down the FBI's neck because of their bad intel and a failed plan that supposedly cost a fortune in wasted funds. I heard some FBI agents were put under house arrest because the CIA caught wind of the plan and shut it down.
He’s already cycled through a massive amount of people in the military...
This is just getting started... they're the ones who are going to feel the squeeze.

Edit: There was a recent report about how Zelenskyy looked completely stunned when Americans told him, "Start digging trenches and get ready. You're going to be attacked." That was all before the troop buildup.
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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#4415 ·
"And we might just say, '...our reach will find you in...'."

It wouldn't be the first time in history.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US sent a squadron to bomb Japan, fully aware those planes weren't coming back. It was all about sending a message...
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#4416 ·
rowdytiger13 said:It could be the FBI, but for different reasons. Everyone saw this coming—the oligarchs and the power players are finally starting to wobble. Sanctions tend to hit them the hardest.
Beyond that, Putin is reportedly breathing down the FBI's neck because of their bad intel and a failed plan that supposedly cost a fortune in wasted funds. I heard some FBI agents were put under house arrest because the CIA caught wind of the plan and shut it down.
He’s already cycled through a massive amount of people in the military...
This is just getting started... they're the ones who are going to feel the squeeze.

Edit: There was a recent report about how Zelenskyy looked completely stunned when Americans told him, "Start digging trenches and get ready. You're going to be attacked." That was all before the troop buildup.

Yeah, there are tons of candidates, and it feels like more pop up every single day.

It's also a real fact that sabotage is becoming super common within Russia itself. Maybe we might even see some executions starting soon.

Anyway, from today on, we're keeping an eye on two new groups: the Republican Army and Rospartizani.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#4417 ·
Someone over in Russia is actually pushing back against this whole "Great Russia" concept
And his daughter was right there with him—totally backing the old man's vision.

Maybe the military is pulling the strings here—they've got plenty of beef with them
But honestly, the target just got lucky with how things played out around that car
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#4418 ·
shadowbison15 said:"And we might just say, '...our reach will find you in...'."

It wouldn't be the first time in history.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US sent a squadron to bomb Japan, fully aware those planes weren't coming back. It was all about sending a message...

Maybe Dugin would eliminate Israel first, mostly because of his ideology. Plus, it would be a response to all that teaming up with Iran and Lavrov's verbal diarrhea.

But we know Israel didn't pull this one off, because Dugin is still alive.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4419 ·
shadowbison15 said:"And we might just say, '...our reach will find you in...'."

It wouldn't be the first time in history.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US sent a squadron to bomb Japan, fully aware those planes weren't coming back. It was all about sending a message...

I wouldn't, mainly because it's impractical and frankly idiotic.
Ukraine can't afford to burn through resources like that. Using Western-trained saboteurs against targets inside Ukraine itself is just too much.
No matter how much of a headache Dugin or his daughter might be, he isn't some general on the front lines. He’s an ideologue sitting safely back in Russia. It's far too risky for very little gain beyond a bit of moral satisfaction. That’s not how you run a war. Cold, sure, but not like this.
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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#4420 ·
boldotter2 said:Maybe Dugin would eliminate Israel first, mostly because of his ideology. Plus, it would be a response to all that teaming up with Iran and Lavrov's verbal diarrhea.

But we know Israel didn't pull this one off, because Dugin is still alive.

Exactly. Even if Israel had a bone to pick with someone, they wouldn't be killing them inside Russia.

You don't do that when the fallout could cost more than the actual strike is worth. This isn't Palestine. It's not Germany. It's not South America.

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