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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4541 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:☕The hated foreign enemy from the West, if we're being totally honest...🤣

The breakup of that old regime was inevitable. It was a total dictatorship, and we all know how those kinds of messed-up states end—nothing but wars, destruction, and massacres driven by an establishment that calls all the shots in the military. I won't even get started on the rest.

Not the main point, but just noting for the record that Yu wasn't a dictatorship, at least not during its last 30 years of existence.☕
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4542 ·
nimbleviper3 said:Not the main point, but just noting for the record that Yu wasn't a dictatorship, at least not during its last 30 years of existence.☕

😁☕Sure, it was the poster child for democracy, prosperity, and free-market capitalism—if you count the political establishment's CIA-style corruption where they'd funnel cash to Italy via the Bank of Trieste to set up companies that eventually swallowed up all the old factories in Yu...🤣

stop feeding us this nonsense...🙂
silentfalcon3 silentfalcon3 Active Member
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#4543 ·
Russian tourist accidentally leaks missile locations in Crimea?! Ukrainians can't stop laughing: 'Keep it up!'

He’ll probably end up spending his winters in some prison out in Siberia...
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#4544 ·
nimbleviper3 said:Not the main point, but just noting for the record that Yu wasn't a dictatorship, at least not during its last 30 years of existence.☕

Look, I’m not saying it was a full-blown democracy either... but calling it anything other than a dictatorship is a stretch, don't you think? 🤷
A dictatorship of the proletariat, if we're being precise... 🧐
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4545 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:😁☕Sure, it was the poster child for democracy, prosperity, and free-market capitalism—if you count the political establishment's CIA-style corruption where they'd funnel cash to Italy via the Bank of Trieste to set up companies that eventually swallowed up all the old factories in Yu...🤣

stop feeding us this nonsense...🙂

That’s a massive stretch, but calling it a dictatorship? Not even close. Learn what a real dictatorship actually looks like before you start talking trash.☕
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4546 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:Look, I’m not saying it was a full-blown democracy either... but calling it anything other than a dictatorship is a stretch, don't you think? 🤷
A dictatorship of the proletariat, if we're being precise... 🧐

We're getting off topic here, but please, let's not just talk nonsense.
Everything happened there, especially after 1945, though things loosened up later on...
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4547 ·
nimbleviper3 said:That’s a massive stretch, but calling it a dictatorship? Not even close. Learn what a real dictatorship actually looks like before you start talking trash.☕

🤣Give me a break... honestly, the old US was a damn dream to live in. You can compare it to Siberia or Korea for all I care—everyone’s just living the dream there too...

🙂Forget that old era, seriously, why are we even debating this...🙂
crimsonwolf26 crimsonwolf26 Active Member
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#4548 ·
Is tomorrow Ukraine's statehood day?
There's talk going around that Americans are prepping for a massive offensive, supposedly even as early as tomorrow. It’s being framed as a response to the killing of Dugin, marking statehood day and six months since the war kicked off. Does this actually imply a major push—like just shelling everything in sight without distinction, or some kind of large-scale offensive action...?
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#4549 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:From a purely logical standpoint, this narrative only functions if you view Ukrainians as some sort of 'sub-species.' It becomes much easier to tell themselves that we—the supposedly superior class—simply tripped over our own feet, rather than admitting we were outmaneuvered by an 'inferior' opponent in direct combat. To acknowledge the latter would imply the impossible: that we aren't actually better than them. Worst of all, once you commit to such blatant falsehoods, you eventually begin to believe your own delusions. Putin is leading his people down a one-way street into total darkness. When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the hangover will be brutal.

That’s exactly why they push that angle: the idea that Ukrainians are second-class citizens. They argue they aren't a distinct nation, just a subset of Russians—and even then, they claim Russians are the elite descendants of princes while the others are just "primitive, provincial peasants" who lack intelligence and need "education." Some extremists from those so-called republics have even gone as far as calling for the total elimination of every "traitor" until the very end.
Where Putin is taking Russia is the direct result of his own hand. For years, his main goal has been crafting this image of a massive, powerful Russia under siege from all sides, positioning himself as the sole protector. He brought stability, especially to those haunted by the chaos following the collapse of the USSR. Out of fear that those dark days might return, people cling to Putin—because in unstable times, you pick what feels familiar. There's this constant, pervasive fear of an "external enemy" in Russia, and that fear makes it nearly impossible to see that the "protector" is actually the threat. Of course, while keeping the public in a state of perpetual anxiety, Putin worked hard to build his persona as a strongman through repression—silencing any opponent, whether they were politicians, journalists, or anyone else. Anyone capable of cracking that image was taken out. Personally, I think anyone truly dangerous to him is already dead, and those who are still around stayed alive for a reason. I don't really see Navalny as "opposition" in the traditional sense—he survived as long as he did for a reason. He simply wanted more than what he was allowed to have.
Putin has fully merged with the role now; I don't think he can tell where the man ends and the mask begins. Every public appearance is pure theater—he’s just playing the part. I don't see a bright future for Russia. You have to wonder about the youth—the ones who didn't live through the mess of the 1990s. They might not remember it, but their parents certainly do, and they’ve passed that trauma down. That's why so many young people in Russia are falling into an even deeper hole, and once that hole runs out, there's nothing left but the abyss.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#4550 ·
crimsonwolf26 said:Is tomorrow Ukraine's statehood day?
There's talk going around that Americans are prepping for a massive offensive, supposedly even as early as tomorrow. It’s being framed as a response to the killing of Dugin, marking statehood day and six months since the war kicked off. Does this actually imply a major push—like just shelling everything in sight without distinction, or some kind of large-scale offensive action...?

Yep, tomorrow is Independence Day, August 24th—a huge deal over in Ukraine. There’s talk of big attacks coming, and from what I’m hearing, the Russians have been prepping for a few days now. Of course, nothing actually has to happen, which is exactly what I'm hoping for. On one hand, the Americans have advised their personnel to leave Ukraine, while on the other, Dud arrived in Kyiv today for a visit. People are being told to stay indoors, stick to shelters, and work from home if possible. Some have moved a bit west of Kyiv, and others have left the country entirely—parents are especially terrified for their kids.
On top of that, there's a trial being set up in Mariupol. Things are getting pretty messy there right now because of infighting within the local government, and they're scheduled to try the Azov fighters tomorrow. There's some dark speculation about public executions of prisoners or missile strikes—apparently, the cages are already set up—but I honestly doubt a major strike will occur, especially since independent observers from Syria and Belarus are expected to arrive. Then again, I know how unpredictable the Russians can be; they might just go ahead with an attack regardless of whether their allies' observers are watching.
Thirdly, the Russians are bracing for Ukraine to launch its own strikes. Reports coming out of Crimea suggest they're worried about the Crimean Bridge, and the situation in Donetsk itself isn't looking great. It's going to be a lot of bloodshed before we see any peace 😢.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#4551 ·
nimbleviper3 said:That’s a massive stretch, but calling it a dictatorship? Not even close. Learn what a real dictatorship actually looks like before you start talking trash.☕

So, bottom line: if a regime doesn't have free multi-party elections, is it a dictatorship or not?
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4552 ·
Sherman25 said:So what’s the takeaway? If things go south for the Ukrainians—say, if the Russians pull the trigger on a full mobilization—the West won't just sit by and watch Lviv fall. You can bet the Poles certainly won't let Lviv fall.

I caught something yesterday about some hawks egging Putin on to declare a general mobilization. I don't have the link handy since I was just scrolling on my phone.

Probably doesn't mean much...
It’s just an official statement from a representative. General Richard Dannatt commented on it, noting that while it's sound advice, it doesn't imply troops will be deployed in Ukraine; rather, it's simply the duty of any peacetime military to prepare for war in every possible capacity.
It’s all in the same article.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#4553 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Exactly. With fewer and fewer foreign "customers" left to justify imposing order, these repressive regimes will inevitably turn their sights inward, desperately searching for new targets to keep the machine running.

Honestly, if you look at how Putin played it, he actually did things in reverse order. From 2000 to 2008, he was all about cracking down on "internal enemies and haters of Russia." Once he ran out of those people and his popularity started dipping (since, let's be real, he didn't actually build anything for the country other than riding the wave of high fossil fuel prices compared to the 90s), he started looking at wars in neighboring countries. You had Georgia in 2008, which gave him that massive popularity spike that lasted until roughly late 2013, then Crimea, and he kept that momentum going through maybe 2019. He even acted as a "peacemaker" during Nagorno-Karabakh 2020. Then, Covid hit and absolutely wrecked his numbers, sending his popularity into a freefall, which leads us right to this whole "special military operation" mess we're seeing now.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4554 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:So, bottom line: if a regime doesn't have free multi-party elections, is it a dictatorship or not?

🤣hang on while they think it over and check what grandpa and his little buddy network have to say🤣
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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#4555 ·
Ha! 😂 So, according to this, the "terrorist" Vovk supposedly traveled all the way to Russia to carry out an assassination attempt, bringing along her twelve-year-old daughter, a full regiment of "Azov," several kilos of TNT, and—get this—... a kitten!!! 🤦
https://ria.ru/20220823/dugina-1811455625.html
Here is a rather amusing little detail for you: at the exact moment of the attack, every single surveillance camera just happened to be turned off. This is despite the fact that the entire neighborhood is usually under constant, unbroken FBI monitoring because it houses the... Border Patrol Academy!!!
What a complete farce, honestly. 🤦
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4556 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:So, bottom line: if a regime doesn't have free multi-party elections, is it a dictatorship or not?

Not necessarily.

By that logic, if you have multi-party elections in Russia, does that mean it isn't a dictatorship? 😁

A question for you Google experts: how much time did you actually spend living in that "dictatorship" before we finally wrap up this off-topic nonsense? 😁
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4557 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:🤣hang on while they think it over and check what grandpa and his little buddy network have to say🤣

Look, I’ve got much more important things to do than hang around here 24/7 wasting my breath.
I find myself dropping by this forum quite often because the posts here are incredibly interesting. Honestly, I’d go as far as to say they feel more credible than the news reports you see on most mainstream media outlets.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4558 ·
nimbleviper3 said:Not necessarily.

By that logic, if you have multi-party elections in Russia, does that mean it isn't a dictatorship? 😁

A question for you Google experts: how much time did you actually spend living in that "dictatorship" before we finally wrap up this off-topic nonsense? 😁

Free, multi-party elections. "Free" is the operative word here.
In a country where the opposition is strictly managed and anyone else is branded a foreign agent and thrown in jail, that kind of thing simply doesn't exist.
Putin would be better off just declaring himself president for life like Xi Jinping and stopping this whole charade.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4559 ·
So, I just saw this wild news break—one of the guys caught in Albania during that recent attack on soldiers and the break-in at an arms factory finally spilled the beans. He basically confessed that he was on the payroll of the Russian intelligence services, all just to scout out strategic spots across Albania.

Honestly, you’d almost mistake them for tourists if they weren't being so obvious, right?

Exclusive:
@topchanneltv
just dropped word that one of the three individuals detained in #Albania for storming an old military plant has admitted to being a paid asset for #Russia's intelligence agencies, tasked with mapping out key strategic locations throughout #Albania.

https://twitter.com/MuhamedVeliu/sta...s3e1iSBk9-xY5w
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4560 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:Ha! 😂 So, according to this, the "terrorist" Vovk supposedly traveled all the way to Russia to carry out an assassination attempt, bringing along her twelve-year-old daughter, a full regiment of "Azov," several kilos of TNT, and—get this—... a kitten!!! 🤦
https://ria.ru/20220823/dugina-1811455625.html
Here is a rather amusing little detail for you: at the exact moment of the attack, every single surveillance camera just happened to be turned off. This is despite the fact that the entire neighborhood is usually under constant, unbroken FBI monitoring because it houses the... Border Patrol Academy!!!
What a complete farce, honestly. 🤦

And she somehow managed to drive a chunk of Moscow straight toward the Estonian border right after the explosion. 😁

Seriously though, how many hours do you think it takes to drive all the way to the border from there?

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