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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Participants Charles Ross3rowdytiger13electrichawk94nimblemoose2Noah Ward2George Robinson43Larry Wilson25Larry Walker24Amanda Allen4Noah Sanchez2Paul Thomas46Jessica Peterson2Nancy Gomez26Nathan Evans78William Anderson5electricsurfer47gentlestag15wiredseal7Thomas Nelson25Donna Harris11Nicholas WatsonJack Kelly5Carol Johnson21Kate Cook27 …
Megan Thomas5 Megan Thomas5 Active Member
132 messages
joined Jan 2021
#4521 ·
driftingfox66 said:Even when Moscow went under, it was pretty obvious that Russians would rather claim everyone is collectively brain-dead than admit Ukrainians actually pulled off something impressive.

They just kept hitting airbases, ammo dumps, and bridges, and now they’ve moved on to this assassination attempt. Typical.

Oh yeah, 😁 someone dropped a shell casing, messed up, whatever... they're such invisible losers.
Just say you got your ass kicked instead of pretending you didn't just sabotage yourself.
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
84 messages
joined Feb 2020
#4522 ·
It’s interesting that she chose to "flee" straight to Estonia...
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#4523 ·
Jose Clark2 said:What if they let her go on purpose just to see if she'd follow through? They might have known all along.

I'm actually on board with that theory—maybe they just stepped back because they knew her angle, or even better, they orchestrated the whole thing themselves.

By the way, there's some new info floating around suggesting her husband was one of the organizers behind that referendum in Donetsk. That might be where the real story is hiding.

To me, this still feels like a setup to justify whatever they're planning to do over in Mariupol.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#4524 ·
driftingfox66 said:Even when Moscow went under, it was pretty obvious that Russians would rather claim everyone is collectively brain-dead than admit Ukrainians actually pulled off something impressive.

They just kept hitting airbases, ammo dumps, and bridges, and now they’ve moved on to this assassination attempt. Typical.

From a purely logical standpoint, this narrative only functions if you view Ukrainians as some sort of 'sub-species.' It becomes much easier to tell themselves that we—the supposedly superior class—simply tripped over our own feet, rather than admitting we were outmaneuvered by an 'inferior' opponent in direct combat. To acknowledge the latter would imply the impossible: that we aren't actually better than them. Worst of all, once you commit to such blatant falsehoods, you eventually begin to believe your own delusions. Putin is leading his people down a one-way street into total darkness. When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the hangover will be brutal.
James Chavez91 James Chavez91 Active Member
100 messages
joined Mar 2020
#4525 ·
Megan Thomas5 said:Isn't it a little embarrassing for Russia to admit their agent was basically loitering around for days, plotting, causing chaos, and finally taking out the target before slipping across the border into Estonia? 😁 So much for those "powerful" Russians.😁

I guess Ruje has been watching way too many American movies🤣
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#4526 ·
They’re sinking their own flagship, burning down their own warehouses, all while underage terrorists roam the streets of the country and just drift away whenever they feel like it...
It seems like Russia is doing its absolute best to convince the world that it's the most incompetent military force on the planet.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#4527 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:From a purely logical standpoint, this narrative only functions if you view Ukrainians as some sort of 'sub-species.' It becomes much easier to tell themselves that we—the supposedly superior class—simply tripped over our own feet, rather than admitting we were outmaneuvered by an 'inferior' opponent in direct combat. To acknowledge the latter would imply the impossible: that we aren't actually better than them. Worst of all, once you commit to such blatant falsehoods, you eventually begin to believe your own delusions. Putin is leading his people down a one-way street into total darkness. When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the hangover will be brutal.

Sadly, sometimes that wake-up call never even happens. Instead, the paranoia and the obsession with "outside enemies" just keep snowballing year after year while the nation continues to sink. It's hard to move forward when nobody has the guts to collectively admit that, in this specific situation, they're actually the bad guys.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#4528 ·
Fake it 'till you make it

So, this Photoshop expert basically tore apart that Azov ID—you know, the one claiming "paid assassins targeting kids"—and just laid out every single glaring mistake they made. It’s pretty wild how obvious the errors are once someone actually looks at them.

https://twitter.com/IssandJumal/stat...81504975540225
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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joined May 2024
#4529 ·
Margaret Thatcher has essentially given an indirect admission that the Skripali poisoning was indeed the work of those Salisbury church tower enthusiasts she loves so much.

Specifically, she took to Twitter to claim that Tallinn refuses to extradite the alleged assassin linked to Dugin, but noted that they possess certain "professionals" who simply can't help but admire the architecture in Tallinn.

It is almost pathetic to watch the usual forum Russophiles—those individuals who have wasted years of their lives defending Putin's political assassinations with the most moronic conspiracy theories imaginable—suddenly feeling a bit foolish, don't you think?

https://twitter.com/M_Simonyan/statu...Hn1423hnA&s=19
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#4530 ·
Comment from the same tweet:

According to the FBI, while countless plots against Zelenskyy and others in Ukraine have fallen through, Ukraine’s first attempt in Moscow—targeting someone completely insignificant—actually worked.
It is an extraordinary admission of impotence, assuming there is any truth to it.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#4531 ·
Time to bring back that old Lenin line: Who actually comes out on top?
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#4532 ·
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hollowdriver13 said:Fake it 'till you make it

So, this Photoshop expert basically tore apart that Azov ID—you know, the one claiming "paid assassins targeting kids"—and just laid out every single glaring mistake they made. It’s pretty wild how obvious the errors are once someone actually looks at them.

https://twitter.com/IssandJumal/stat...81504975540225

The real issue here is that Photoshop isn't meant for scrutiny; it’s an internal tool. Does Putin's voting base actually care about authenticity? Not really. They couldn't care less about obvious technical flaws when they see what they want to see.
It’s a difficult concept to explain to the average grandmother or some local drunk in the middle of nowhere who thinks they've seen the absolute truth just because they saw a "Ukrainian fake" on the news. Fox News🤷
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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joined Oct 2018
#4533 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:Margaret Thatcher has essentially given an indirect admission that the Skripali poisoning was indeed the work of those Salisbury church tower enthusiasts she loves so much.

Specifically, she took to Twitter to claim that Tallinn refuses to extradite the alleged assassin linked to Dugin, but noted that they possess certain "professionals" who simply can't help but admire the architecture in Tallinn.

It is almost pathetic to watch the usual forum Russophiles—those individuals who have wasted years of their lives defending Putin's political assassinations with the most moronic conspiracy theories imaginable—suddenly feeling a bit foolish, don't you think?

https://twitter.com/M_Simonyan/statu...Hn1423hnA&s=19

Some top-tier dark humor right there.
It was a great way to start my morning coffee. 🤣
Watching them trip over their own words is truly priceless. 🙏
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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joined Jun 2022
#4534 ·
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hollowdriver13 said:Sadly, sometimes that wake-up call never even happens. Instead, the paranoia and the obsession with "outside enemies" just keep snowballing year after year while the nation continues to sink. It's hard to move forward when nobody has the guts to collectively admit that, in this specific situation, they're actually the bad guys.

That kind of psychosis was constantly being forced upon us back in the failed America... there was always some shadowy figure, an internal or external enemy, supposedly out to destroy this "perfect state" that eventually collapsed like a house of cards.
Failed ideas, failed states... yet they remain incredibly efficient at killing and oppressing their own people. And Russia has basically earned a PhD in that particular field.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#4535 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Sadly, sometimes that wake-up call never even happens. Instead, the paranoia and the obsession with "outside enemies" just keep snowballing year after year while the nation continues to sink. It's hard to move forward when nobody has the guts to collectively admit that, in this specific situation, they're actually the bad guys.

A reality check will come eventually. When it does, the hangover will be much harder to swallow—it’ll be far more painful because the gap between their delusions and the truth will have grown too wide to bridge easily.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#4536 ·
The USSR went down in flames just the same. But you can clearly see Putin trying to build USSR 2.0...
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#4537 ·
Donna Wells2 said:unnamed

That kind of psychosis was constantly being forced upon us back in the failed America... there was always some shadowy figure, an internal or external enemy, supposedly out to destroy this "perfect state" that eventually collapsed like a house of cards.
Failed ideas, failed states... yet they remain incredibly efficient at killing and oppressing their own people. And Russia has basically earned a PhD in that particular field.

Exactly. With fewer and fewer foreign "customers" left to justify imposing order, these repressive regimes will inevitably turn their sights inward, desperately searching for new targets to keep the machine running.
casualcrane20 casualcrane20 Member
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joined Jan 2021
#4538 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:Fifty-four years ago, the Soviet Union effectively dismantled Czechoslovakia. To this day, the Czech people carry a sense of gratitude for that intervention. In much the same way, I suspect Ukrainians will be remembering Russia’s "brotherly assistance" for a very long time to come.

The Czechs clearly aren't, but I suppose Germans are supposed to be grateful for their own "denazification," right? Or maybe they aren't either.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4539 ·
Donna Wells2 said:unnamed

That kind of psychosis was constantly being forced upon us back in the failed America... there was always some shadowy figure, an internal or external enemy, supposedly out to destroy this "perfect state" that eventually collapsed like a house of cards.
Failed ideas, failed states... yet they remain incredibly efficient at killing and oppressing their own people. And Russia has basically earned a PhD in that particular field.

☕The hated foreign enemy from the West, if we're being totally honest...🤣

The breakup of that old regime was inevitable. It was a total dictatorship, and we all know how those kinds of messed-up states end—nothing but wars, destruction, and massacres driven by an establishment that calls all the shots in the military. I won't even get started on the rest.
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#4540 ·
casualcrane20 said:The Czechs clearly aren't, but I suppose Germans are supposed to be grateful for their own "denazification," right? Or maybe they aren't either.

They were—for West Germany, at least. Honestly, it would have been far more effective if Americans had handled the denazification in the East as well. As it stands, we just swapped one evil for another.

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