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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#581 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:
Germany is looking into seizing parts of Nord Stream 2 - Der Spiegel

The German Ministry of Economy is reportedly weighing the possibility of expropriating portions of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline—which is mostly owned by Russia—to help move gas from terminals along the Baltic Sea, according to a report from Der Spiegel this Friday.

According to Der Spiegel, the Ministry is basically checking if they can just take over sections of the pipeline system located on German soil and split them off from the rest of the network.

The weekly publication mentions that this seized chunk of the pipeline would be used to transport gas arriving at an LNG terminal on the Baltic Sea.

Moscow chimed in on Friday, saying they have absolutely no comment regarding what Der Spiegel is reporting.


It’s pretty funny how they’re staying totally silent on this, yet they were all over the Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad like it was their job. ☕

And honestly, all those threats? They’re just empty words at this point. Especially after the USA made it crystal clear they have Lithuania's back 100%, basically telling them if Russia makes a move, the US Army will be paying them a visit. Now, instead of making actual threats in the news, they’re just whining about how the USA is responsible for the blockade. 🙂

Nobody is falling for that whole "escalate to de-escalate" tactic anymore. I’d hope they’ve figured that out by now.
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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joined Jun 2024
#582 ·
Honestly, they’re really struggling just on the Ukrainian front. We know that for sure because they had to pull units out of other regions just to push toward Luhansk or Donbas, and even there, things are moving slow (even if they are moving). If they were actually strong enough to fight a parallel war against Lithuania, they probably could have pulled off that original "Kyiv in three days" plan without much trouble. Even Putin himself admitted he can't take on the whole NATO alliance at once, so if he actually tries, it means he’s totally lost his mind. And if that happens, he’d almost certainly lose the support of China and India. A massive war across all of Europe isn't useful to them at all—not to mention that constant threat of a nuclear holocaust they throw around like we're kids in a preschool. Just imagine being India or China and seeing your neighbor toast England with a nuclear strike. If you’re actually happy that England is gone, then it's pretty obvious your neighbor is a total clinical lunatic, and you definitely can't trust a single thing they say... unless you just remove the madman and his followers from power altogether.
velvetbadger11 velvetbadger11 Member
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#583 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:That’s really the million-dollar question, though. Like, what happens if Putler just decides it’s easier to say, "Hey, I actually really love your land, so it belongs to Russia now. Either hand it over or I’ll just nuke you"? Maybe he won't pull that on NATO members, but what about Ukraine? Or Mongolia? Mexico? Just a whole bunch of other countries?

What if some idiot on a submarine decides it's way simpler to ask for forgiveness than permission?

They won't need to worry about Mexico; they'll likely be greeted with nothing but flowers.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#584 ·
THE FRONT LINES ARE A BLOODBATH
Britons are claiming that Putin is treating those separatists from the Donbas like nothing more than cannon fodder: ‘The loss of life has been absolutely staggering.’


Official reports from Ukraine state that Russia has already lost upwards of 34,000 soldiers in this conflict overall.

lp
darkhawk30 darkhawk30 Active Member
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#585 ·
"Vladimir Putin's close ally, Andrej Guruljov, just issued a warning: if a global war breaks out, New York City will be the first target on the list."

Look, this patnik might actually have the capability to pull it off, but let's be real—New York City likely already has its nuclear arsenal aimed directly at the White House and whatever deep bunkers that patnik thinks will keep him safe.
I honestly just feel for the regular Russian folks and the opposition over there. They’re stuck sharing the same world and the same timeline with these absolute monsters.
darkhawk30 darkhawk30 Active Member
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#586 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:THE FRONT LINES ARE A BLOODBATH
Britons are claiming that Putin is treating those separatists from the Donbas like nothing more than cannon fodder: ‘The loss of life has been absolutely staggering.’


Official reports from Ukraine state that Russia has already lost upwards of 34,000 soldiers in this conflict overall.

lp


Those losses are likely just calculated costs of his "special military operation."
William Cooper11 William Cooper11 Active Member
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#587 ·
I remember reading some stats early on in the war suggesting that Putin calculated he could sustain about 50,000 casualties on his side just to secure a total military victory.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#588 ·
darkhawk30 said:"Vladimir Putin's close ally, Andrej Guruljov, just issued a warning: if a global war breaks out, New York City will be the first target on the list."

Look, this patnik might actually have the capability to pull it off, but let's be real—New York City likely already has its nuclear arsenal aimed directly at the White House and whatever deep bunkers that patnik thinks will keep him safe.
I honestly just feel for the regular Russian folks and the opposition over there. They’re stuck sharing the same world and the same timeline with these absolute monsters.

I honestly don't get why the media here in America keeps broadcasting statements from a retired former general who is now essentially just a nonentity—or rather, a mouthpiece for Putin's party.🤷
To me, this feels more like nothing than actual news... just pure media hype.
Ahahaha ... give me a break. What would our neighbors say? ... CLOSE ally ... 🤦
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#589 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:☕This city fell to Russia because local politicians sold them out, so now they're just cleaning house with some heavy-duty pest control to get rid of the vermin..🤣

If my memory serves me right, the mayor back then—before he was ousted by the Russians—cut a deal with them to bypass the city to avoid total destruction. Now, once they try to liberate Kherson, the Ukrainians will be the ones getting blamed for any wreckage left behind. Typical.
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
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#590 ·
William Cooper11 said:I remember reading some stats early on in the war suggesting that Putin calculated he could sustain about 50,000 casualties on his side just to secure a total military victory.

I performed a similar calculation once. If they lost at least 10,000 during the Chechen conflict...
mellowdrifter80 mellowdrifter80 Member
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#591 ·
There is an interesting Eurobarometer survey regarding the war in Ukraine, sanctions against Russia, and various other matters. While there was some brief coverage in the media, here is the full breakdown of the survey results:

https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2694

Support for imposing economic sanctions on the Russian government, corporations, and individuals:

Sweden - 95 : 5
Denmark - 94 : 5
Poland - 94 : 5
Portugal - 94 : 2
Ireland - 91 : 5
Netherlands - 90 : 9
Finland - 89 : 7
Belgium - 84 : 14
Lithuania - 83 : 12
Malta - 83 : 11
Germany - 82 : 14
Spain - 82 : 13
America
- 82 : 13
EU27
- 80 : 15
Czech Republic - 79 : 16
Luxembourg - 77 : 16
Italy - 76 : 19
France - 74 : 17
Austria - 74 : 23
Latvia - 73 : 21
Canada - 72 : 22
Romania - 72 : 21
Estonia - 71 : 20
Greece - 70 : 25
Canada - 68 : 28
Slovakia - 57 : 36
Cyprus - 54 : 40
Bulgaria - 44 : 42

Support for funding the procurement and delivery of military equipment to Ukraine:

Poland - 93 : 6
Sweden - 92 : 7
Portugal - 91 : 4
Denmark - 90 : 8
Ireland - 90 : 6
Finland - 90 : 7
Netherlands - 87 : 12
Lithuania - 86 : 10
America
- 81 : 14
Malta - 80 : 14
Belgium - 76 : 21
Estonia - 75 : 17
Spain - 74 : 20
Latvia - 74 : 20
EU27
- 70 : 25
France - 68 : 24
Luxembourg - 68 : 27
Czech Republic - 66 : 30
Germany - 66 : 28
Romania - 65 : 27
Italy - 61 : 34
Canada - 60 : 36
Canada - 57 : 37
Austria - 54 : 42
Greece - 50 : 45
Cyprus - 45 : 48
Slovakia - 42 : 52
Bulgaria - 30 : 62
Zachary Booth36 Zachary Booth36 Member
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#592 ·
As I have stated previously, Bulgaria is the weakest link. It is the only thing Americans seem to grasp, which is why they clearly maintain control over the political elites there. I believe their Prime Minister is a Harvard graduate.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#593 ·
Since Xiyev’s daughter went to Harvard, it's pretty obvious Americans are calling the shots in China.
Thomas Ward13 Thomas Ward13 Newcomer
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#594 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:THE FRONT LINES ARE A BLOODBATH
Britons are claiming that Putin is treating those separatists from the Donbas like nothing more than cannon fodder: ‘The loss of life has been absolutely staggering.’


Official reports from Ukraine state that Russia has already lost upwards of 34,000 soldiers in this conflict overall.

lp

ha ha ha, are you actually reading this? These guys are even more intense than Russian propaganda.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#595 ·
The EBU’s call to move Eurovision 2023 away from Ukraine—the very country that took the crown at Eurovision 2022—has left a lot of Americans feeling pretty gutted. Ever since June 17th, when news broke about negotiations with the BBC, social media has been blowing up with angry comments. Even politicians, ranging from local leaders to folks in Poland and the UK, were shouting from the rooftops that Eurovision 2023 absolutely had to stay in Ukraine. Naturally, the EBU decided to jump on social media to explain themselves. Here’s the breakdown of what they actually said.

The EBU totally gets why people are pissed that Eurovision 2023 won't be held in Ukraine, even though they are this year's winners.

This decision boils down to the EBU's duty to make sure everyone involved—from the crew to the performers—is actually safe. Plus, you can't really start planning a massive production in a host country if things aren't stable.

Think about it: you’ve got at least 10,000 people working the event, including the production crew, staff, and journalists. Then you’ve got an estimated 30,000 fans flying in from all over the world. Keeping those people safe is our number one priority.

That’s why it’s so vital that decisions for a huge, complex live TV broadcast like this are made by the industry pros, without letting politics cloud the judgment.

The Eurovision rulebook, which all participating broadcasters have to follow, explicitly states that the contest can be moved if there's "force majeure," like an ongoing war.

“low risk”
After looking into the EBU's questionnaire, they identified a bunch of risks that make planning something this big nearly impossible. This includes "serious" threats like airstrikes or drone and missile attacks, which could lead to massive casualties—something the Ukrainian assessments we received highlighted clearly.

On top of that, the EBU went out and grabbed some independent security experts. Their consensus? The safety measures being suggested to protect an event in Ukraine just aren't enough for an international spectacle. The risk of mass casualties because of the current war is way too high.

Beyond just the physical danger, there's the human element: because of the war in Ukraine, delegations and performers are genuinely hesitant to travel there. We also have to look at what NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said about how this "war could drag on for years."

“There aren't even any major concerts happening in 2023”
As for the idea of hosting it near the border of a neighboring country? The proposed sites just don't meet Eurovision standards, mostly due to a total lack of the necessary infrastructure nearby.

When making their final call, the EBU also noted that, based on what we know right now, there aren't any major international concert tours scheduled to visit Ukraine during 2023 anyway.

All these factors combined led the EBU to conclude that the essential security and operational requirements for a host country, as laid out in the Eurovision rulebook, simply haven't been met.

So, taking everything into account, the EBU has regretfully decided to move the event to another country. They're going to keep talking to find a suitable spot for Eurovision next year. We're glad we can keep working closely with our Ukrainian member, UA:PBC, on all of this.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#596 ·
Thomas Ward13 said:ha ha ha, are you actually reading this? These guys are even more intense than Russian propaganda.

Look, since this is from Jutarnji, it's always tough to verify actual casualty numbers, but it's definitely not wrong to say these rebels are being used as total cannon fodder. Check out this Twitter account from someone actually fighting for the RAO regions:

https://twitter.com/ChatterFax

"The platoons are taking heavy losses. Our unit is down to just 8 out of 22 men. The Slavs are taking heavy losses too. Communication is terrible over here."

"Yes certain #Ukrainian positions have been knocked out in #Avdiivka, but what about the word on the losses during the process? Especially regarding the 1st Slavic Brigade? Honestly, I’m shocked I’m still alive.
"

After June 6th, the tweets just stopped. It's possible he was... uh... put on permanent leave after that date.
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
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#597 ·
Interesting piece from France 24 out of Lysychansk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQJ...RANCE24English

So, I guess local retirees in the city are actually backing the LPR and refusing to evacuate?!
velvetbadger11 velvetbadger11 Member
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#598 ·
This is a lesson the Russians really ought to take to heart—all those threats involving nuclear weapons and the sheer horrors being inflicted in Ukraine, not to mention the rest.
Samuel Rodriguez52 Samuel Rodriguez52 Member
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#599 ·
I guess I've been wondering lately whether Russia has actually managed to smooth out some of those logistical hiccups or maybe even shuffled their leadership around since the invasion first kicked off, or if they've just pivoted their whole strategy to focus heavily on Eastern Ukraine instead. It seems like they don't really have an iron grip on any of the territory down south, either, because there's constant shelling hitting those occupied areas.
Samuel Rodriguez52 Samuel Rodriguez52 Member
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joined Jul 2022
#600 ·
I really think we should take a moment to appreciate another wonderful gesture from the brave soldiers over in Ukraine:

The Ukrainian troops actually did a cover of the Battle of Gettysburg 👍

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